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America’s Problems in the Middle East Are Just Beginning

August 15th, 2013 - 7:45 am

It’s 2015, and there is a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas), financed by Iran, wins an election on a platform demanding the expulsion of the Jews from Israel. Iran, meanwhile, smuggles shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to terrorist cells in Palestine that can take down civilian airlines at Ben-Gurion Airport. With backing from the Egyptian military, Fatah throws out the elected Hamas government and kills a large number of Hamas supporters. What will Washington do? Given the track record of both the Obama administration and the Republican mainstream, one would expect America to denounce the use of violence against a democratically elected government.

Such is the absurdity of both parties’ stance towards Egypt: the Egyptian military is doing America’s dirty work, suppressing a virulently anti-modern, anti-Semitic and anti-Western Islamist movement whose leader, Mohammed Morsi, famously referred to Israelis as “apes and pigs.” It did so with the enthusiastic support of tens of millions of Egyptians who rallied in the streets in support of the military. And the American mainstream reacted with an ideological knee jerk. America’s presence in the Middle East has imploded.

As it happens, Iran already is smuggling weapons via Syria to the West Bank to gain leverage against the Abbas government, as Stratfor reports (hat tip: the Daily Alert), including surface-to-air and anti-tank missiles. Hamas crushed Fatah in the 2006 West Bank  parliamentary elections 74-45, and made short work of the supposedly moderate Palestinian faction when it seized power in Gaza in 2007. As Syria disintegrates, along with Iraq and Lebanon, the artificial borders of Arab states drawn first by Ottoman conquerors and revised by British and French colonial authorities will have small meaning. Palestinians caught up in the Syrian and and Lebanese conflagrations will pour into a new Palestinian state and swell the ranks of the hard-core Jihadi irredentists. Iran will continue to use Hamas as a cat’s paw.

Among other things, the American response to the events in Egypt shows the utter pointlessness of American security guarantees in the present negotiations between Israel and the Palestine Authority. Even in the extremely unlikely event that Mohammed Abbas chose to make peace with Israel, he would face a high probability of civil war, just as Ireland’s independence leader Michael Collins did when he struck a deal with the British for an Irish “Free State” rather than a republic. Collins killed more Irishmen than the British did in the preceding independence struggle. I do not want to compare Abbas to Collins, and I do not think he has any intention of making peace with Israel. But American blundering in Egypt has closed out the option, for whoever makes peace with Israel will require a free hand with Iranian-backed rejectionists.

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The insanity is on display everywhere in the world, including on both sides of the ideological divide in America.

When you go to war against anyone, especially against extreme cultures and nations...you must bomb Dresden into smoking ruins, or you cannot win the war. You must drop The Bomb on Hiroshima, or the price will be a Phyrrhic victory, at best. Just as in a personnal fight against an armed mugger, you must fight for your life and when your opponent goes down, makes sure he stays down, by whatever means are necessary...or you will simply die.

In the struggle against Muslim extremism and against extremist cultures overseas, we have, instead, as Republicans, conservatives, Democrats and liberals, abandoned most of The Constitution and denied most of our own right and freedoms, in the name of 'security.'

When you go to war, there are some enemies who must be utterly destroyed.

Americans no longer have the stomach to destroy their enemies. hell, they no longer have the stomach to fight for their own freedom. Both sides of the ideological divide in America keep electing and re-electing the people who take their freedoms from them. Then, you all pay those same politicians to take your freedoms from you, after you elect them to office. You're paying them to steal from you and to kill and imprison your family members, friends and neighbors. You're paying for their corruption, cronyism and nepotism.

None of this will change, until you, as American citizens, are willing to change.
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I apologize for annoying all the Readers and Authors with my never-changing comment:

the plans of this administration of internationalist subversives (in marxist lingo: "anti-imperialists") against America's might are going well.
That's all that is happening.
This administration does not make "mistakes": it has a plan against America's power and it carries it on without doubts, faults, or mistakes.
When we will understand this we will be able to build up an opposition to the subversives' plan.

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Our apartment is filled with the sounds of grandchildren chattering in Hebrew as my beautiful wife fills the house with the wonderful aromas of her pre-Shabbat cooking. In a few hours I will join the rest of my family in Beit Knesset as we welcome the Sabbath.
Obama, Netanyahu, The Iranian Mullahs and the European Union are all pawns in the Hands of The Almighty. We have survived worse and will continue to thrive.
Every day is a gift and, despite the worst intentions of many , we will continue to celebrate life.
We live in an age of miracles and only the willfully blind cannot see.
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A good thinning of the herd is certainly on the cards, and probably the only long-term solution. We blanch at anyone saying 'caedite eos' but forget that the Cathars stopped making a nuisance of themselves a long time back.
34 weeks ago
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Fill in the blank: Any nation stupid enough to pay Egypt 1.5 billion per year ________. Exactly what about our behavior could be a surprise after that?
34 weeks ago
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Everybody is saying how horrible it is that the Egyptian military is killing muslim brotherhood supporters, but as this article states some people need killing. My standard on evaluating a government is not whether they are killing or not, but whether they are killing the right people. Right now the Egyptian military is killing the right people, and I am happy to let them. Far cheaper to let them do it, than for us to eventually have to.
34 weeks ago
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Even though I consider the idea that "Wilsonian idealism was born of the South’s attempt to suppress its guilt" is utter nonsense, the second part of that paragraph hit the nail square on the head. We are watching US policy in the Middle East collapse to dust. America is being rejected by all parties in the region. This is consistent with the mega trend shift of world power from West to East. Far worse is to come as the West thrashes out in desperation.
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My first point is these problems are largely made by the west including America.
Rising food prices is one of the main drivers of unrest in the Middle East and this is directly as a result of the ethanol industry. Green madness has led to rising food and power prices worldwide.

My second point is that Obama never seems to have outgrown university politics. He refers to a "new way" of politics! Putin must be beside himself with rage that he is dealing with a child in one of the most powerful positions in the world.

Thirdly America's problems have not really begun because Islam is no real threat to America. Is it really possible that even if all the Middle East rose as one to defeat America that it would? Of course not, they do not have the weapons to worry America. The worse that could happen is tighter border controls.

Fourthly, the real threat to America is Russia or China. Only these superpowers could organise a land invasion of America, and could threaten America with existential defeat. And Obama is at the moment provoking Putin mightily by supporting Islamic radicals.

Fifthly, it appears increasingly unlikely that any country in the west could defend itself against an existential threat. Forget Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, they are chicken feed, offshore incidents. Could America or England or Europe defend itself from a truly existential threat to its existence? Probably not, these countries can't even stop illegal immigration. It is difficult to see the gay femi sex obsessed fatherless single mum generation rising to defend itself against anything..
34 weeks ago
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Your conceptions are way off base.

Islam has over taken powerful societies time and again in the past. It did so by targeting the control mechanisms: political assassinations. (Hence the term, it came from their gambit.)

They are also corrupting the political systems of the West -- particularly the Green movement.

Russia is done. She doesn't have the manpower to play it large. Just hanging on to Russia will fully occupy the talents of all Russians.

Red China's natural flow is to the the west, northwest and southwest; Asia at every turn.

A land invasion of America is to laugh.

BTW, the Mexicans beat them to it.

Muslim attacks do NOT take the form of Hitlerite tank divisions. Get over it.
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Blert makes some sense as usual, but is a little off:

As Abe Lincoln said in the 1830s, there will be no land invasion of the U.S. ever. We'll have to destroy ourselves and allow treasonous usurpers to invite in the Chinese or Mexican armies first. And the Chinese and Russians are too smart to have troops 4,000 miles from their supply lines.

China is not going to invade the icebox of Siberia, especially now that global cooling has started with a vengeance precluding sealift without icebreakers through the Arctic Ocean route. China sees a far more lucrative model of copying the U.S. rather than Japanese model of Empire where the empire is an archipelago of military bases backing economic control, rather than straight up conquest from Africa to South America.

But Blert is correct that Russia will never invade anyone again, unless grossly provoked as on 08/08/08. No manpower to occupy hostile territory over a protracted period, Afghanistan was their last imperial war. The slogan is 'Russia has no allies but her army and navy'. Russia can only opportunistically profit from Washington and Brussels blunders, like Cyprus where the 'Western' elites genuinely alienate large populations with their lawlessness. Thus the Russian 'sphere' will expand into places like Israel or Greece looking for a new great power patron after America implodes. China will do likewise in Asia, even to the point of Finlandizing Australia, so that the GCHQ/other Anglosphere networks were all in vain.
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Blert said "Muslim attacks do NOT take the form of Hitlerite tank divisions. Get over it."

Are you sure about that?

CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/?iref=obinsite
"Burning of books

A Bible Society of Egypt statement posted online Wednesday reported the "complete burning and destruction" of its bookshops in the cities of Assiut and Minia, in southern Egypt.

"Fortunately we were closed today, fearing such an attack, so none of our staff were injured," wrote Ramez Atallah, the society's general director. "The attackers demolished the metal doors protecting the bookshops, broke the store windows behind them and set the bookshops on fire.""

The Australian:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/egypts-copts-under-attack/story-e6frg71x-1226699508372

"In the past few days, about 50 Christian churches, monasteries and orphanages have been firebombed or looted by Muslim Brotherhood mobs. Dozens of homes and shops owned by Copts have been attacked or branded with a black "X". Amid such a discourse of hatred, al-Qa'ida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian, has stirred up passions, demanding retribution against the Copts for openly supporting the June 3 removal from power of Muslim Brotherhood president Mohammed Morsi."
34 weeks ago
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Egypt’s military and its Saudi backers are aghast at American stupidity.

Neither Obama nor Valerie Jarret are what you'd normally call "Americans", so let's not credit their stupidity for yours or mine.
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I think we need to look at what the great powers, particularly Britain, Did during the American Civil War.

During the 1860s Britain had a series of Land Wars in NZ, issues in South Africa, and various revolts and negotiations in India, where it had been forced to nationalize the British East India company and their regiments. They were stretched. Interfering in the USA would have been over reach.

The parallels with the current situation are obvious.

Egypt is going through a demographic endgame. Our energies should be around rescuing fellow believers from that.
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>> American Southerners of 1861 were models of middle-class rectitude, with the world’s highest living standards and bright prospects for the future.

Spengler, Spengler, Spengler. No, no, no. Look, they might not have been as bad as Yankee caricature, but surely this statement is pretty extreme nonetheless. The backwardness of Southern culture by any reasonable standard has been documented ad nauseum. For those who swallowed this nonsense

"Gouge and Bite, Pull Hair and Scratch: The Social Significance of Fighting in the Southern Backcountry" by Elliott J. Gorn

"Southern Honor: Ethicss and Behavior in the Old South" by Bertram Wyatt-Brown

The very worst thing that could have happened to the South would have been for the "peace faction" to win. Oh, right. You think that the war destroyed the South, rather than the decision to fight a war it couldn't win for reasons it would later deny. The South impoverished the South except for a few, and then the war destroyed the South. But make no mistake, the South was impoverished by the South.
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Mark, you are way off the mark. The truth lies between you and Spengler. Southerners just as Northerners were a range of peoples from white trash to virtuous men of honor. George Washington was a Virginian, Thomas Jefferson on and on...
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The author forgot to mention the day the Russian fleet is welcomed into it's new facilities in Egypt. The day Egypt buys huge amounts of Russian made weapons. Tourism is all but dead in Egypt. Just watch these fanatic Muslim Brotherhood crowds will attack, loot and destroy all of Egypt's ancient treasures.
34 weeks ago
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I've been reminding Spengler Putin's biggest strategic prize for his successor in the Middle East has always been Israel for some time. Israel is being wooed into the Eurasian Economic sphere already. On the day the dollar dies D.C.'s response will be 'et tu, Berlin and Jerusalem?' and the neocons, especially the Qatari funded ones, will be the last to know.
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By Israel as the prize, I mean above all the Russians want Israeli brains and technology, especially with energy, agriculture and military applications. The recently concluded Israeli contract with Gazprom for a bloc in Leviathian is a bonus.
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Hi Denver Bob Long time no see. I agree with you here. The only winning hand is to wake away from the table. Let them fight it out and let the Jihadis and the would be Basiji get it out of their system or die. No matter what we do there will be more blood flowing than than oil before it is over. Look for oil prices to dive as the national players pump more to pay for it all. Hat tip to David Goldman. Not exactly the quote I was looking for but close enough:
http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?p=140298#p140298
"Man does not live by bread alone, but man needs bread, and gets his bread through the exercise of reason. That may not occur to a country that lives as it were by miracle, that is, by allowing foreign engineers to pump oil out of the ground, such that none of its citizens actually work for a living."

As for Israel -- Just be cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqJmYJ2ol4
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