Egypt Is an Adversary, Not a Neutral
Update: The Obama administration is offering a trickle of new money for Egypt under the grandiose rubric of a “bailout” for the Egyptian economy. The Wall Street Journal reports that the US will offer debt forgiveness of slightly over half a billion dollars (with little impact on the country’s massive cash crunch) and will support a $4.8 billion IMF loan. Also:
Beyond the debt forgiveness and IMF loan, U.S. officials are promoting two financing opportunities: $375 million in financing through the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corp., a government development finance agency, for loan guarantees for small-to-medium sized Egyptian businesses; and $60 million to help launch such firms through a new U.S.-Egypt Enterprise Fund.
But the Journal adds, “The aid offers will still strain to meet Egypt’s estimated $12 billion in external financing needs. Last year’s revolution and the subsequent 19 months of political instability have kept tourists and foreign investors at bay.” The external financing requirement at current import levels is closer to $20 billion by my reckoning, with a trade deficit running at $36 billion a year, offset by Suez Canal revenues of about $5 billion, tourism revenues of perhaps $7 billion, and $3 to $4 billion of workers’ remittances.
The proposed aid is “part of a gilded-charm offensive that Washington hopes will help shore up the country’s economy and prevent its new Islamist leadership from drifting beyond America’s foreign-policy orbit.” That train left the station when the Muslim Brotherhood forced out the old-guard military leadership in August.
By far the most perspicacious analyst of Egypt’s foreign policy shift is my Asia Times Online colleague, M.K. Bhadrakumar, formerly Egypt’s ambassador to Turkey among other countries. He predicted Egypt’s turn to Tehran in an Aug. 2 post on his Indian Punchline blog, noting that the Iranian vice-president’s visit to Cairo “is a development that holds the potential to shake up Middle Eastern politics.” Tehran had been courting the Egyptian Islamists for months, he observed, “inviting a series of Egyptian goodwill delegations from the civil society in a sustained effort to reach out to the various sections — especially the Islamist forces — of Egyptian society…[and] a critical mass of opinion began accruing in Egypt, including within the Muslim Brotherhood, regarding the restoration of normal ties with Iran.”
Iran outplayed the Saudis in Cairo, he explains: “Taking advantage of the economic crisis in Egypt, Riyadh offered economic assistance, but with strings attached. The bottom line for the Saudis is that Egypt shouldn’t dilute Riyadh’s regional campaign to ‘isolate’ Iran. … The Saudis hoped that Morsi would play footsie on the Sunni-Sh’ite front and get Egypt to play its due role in the Syrian crisis.” As I reported last week in Asia Times, Morsi will deal with his economic crisis not by soliciting Saudi help, but by rationing food, fuel, and electricity, turning Egypt into a sort of North Korea on the Nile. That is in keeping with the Muslim Brotherhood’s character as a modern totalitarian vanguard party with an Islamist ideology, and the Islamist socialism of the late Brotherhood ideologue Sayyid Qutb.
Of course, the opposite occurred: Egypt proposed to include Iran in a “quartet” with itself, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia to sort out the Syrian crisis, giving Tehran an effective veto over regime change in Syria. The Western press is full of self-consoling reports about how Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood president Mohamed Morsi offended his Iranian hosts at last week’s Non-Aligned Movement summit eeting in Tehran by saying unkind things about their Syrian allies. Look beneath the rhetoric, Ambassador Bhadrakumar now advises, and watch what is really going on.
Iranian FM Ali Akbar Salehi presented the tantalizing idea of a NAM group in the search of a settlement of the Syrian crisis. The group comprises the NAM’s past, present and future chairpersons – Egypt, Iran and Venezuela – plus Lebanon and Iraq.
Clearly, this is one of those rare moments when a new “centre of gravity” is forming in the geopolitics of the Middle East region. It is an intriguing formation since Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi openly called for regime change in Syria, while Iran and Venezuela would be ambivalent about the very concept. But then, all three are agreed that the “transition” should be a wholly Syrian-owned process without outside intervention.
This is Iranian diplomacy at its best, showing mastery over the art of the possible. What matters infinitely more than everything else from the Iranian viewpoint is that Tehran and Cairo are sharing a regional platform on Syria. Both are OIC members while Egypt is also a member of the Arab League. The “regional consensus” that the United States and Saudi Arabia struggled so hard to put together has been dispatched to oblivion.
Turkey’s Syrian debacle is becoming very serious. Egypt’s “entry” puts pressure on Saudi Arabia to change course. The Iranian media has given the impression that some sort of rapprochment between Tehran and Riyadh is on the cards. The restoration of Egypt’s relationship with Syria, equally, changes the calculus for Turkey.
It is no small matter for Tehran that Morsi called Iran a “strategic partner” for Egypt. Even a commentary in the Voice of America admits that the symbolism of Morsi’s visit to Iran “has concerned countries trying to isolate Iran – in particular, Egypt’s longtime ally the United States.” The best spin VOA could give is that Morsi’s trip does not mean Egypt’s “full-fledged approval of Iran” and that the “apparent closeness could be a bargaining chip” in Egypt’s negotiations with the US.
Ambassador Bhadrakumar, I should note, is the scion of a distinguished Indian political family long associated with that country’s Communist Party. He and I disagree about the world as much as two journalists can, but I salute his superior grasp of regional developments. It says something about the world after Obama that we find out what is happening after the fact, from our adversaries rather than our friends.
The Tehran Non-Aligned Movement summit was an unambiguous triumph for Iran and a thoroughgoing humiliation for the United States, despite the spin from the foreign policy establishment. The ubiquitous Steven A. Cook of the Council on Foreign Relations went so far as to claim that Egypt’s turn to Tehran was positive for America because it made Egypt a better “interlocutor” with Iran–as if the only problem we had with Iran was a failure to communicate. The Non-Aligned Movement voted 120 to zero in support of Iran’s right to the full nuclear fuel cycle. Tehran didn’t get an endorsement of its Syrian policy, to be sure–just the offer of a de facto veto on any future regime change in Syria.
As my PJ Media colleague Barry Rubin observes in a Jerusalem Post column, “Does this mean Egypt is going to ally with Iran? No, Egypt will fight Iran for influence tooth and nail. The two countries will kill each others’ surrogates. But it means Morsy feels no friendlier toward America than he does toward Iran.” I hate to take issue with Dr. Rubin, but I think that is somewhat beside the point: Morsi’s Egypt has allied with Iran against Saudi Arabia, which is the main target of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Saudi monarchy will not fall tomorrow, to be sure, but it faces a growing challenge from within: the Brotherhood appeals to ambitious Saudis who did not have the good fortune to be born into the monarchy. By showing open contempt for the Saudi regime, and frustrating Saudi and Turkish attempts to control the Syrian crisis, Morsi has emerged as a challenger to the Saudi monarchy for the dominant role in Sunni Islam.
The whole of the foreign policy establishment, from Dennis Ross, lately Obama’s Iran advisor, to Fox News commentator Fouad Ajami, believed that Egypt’s economic desperation would force Morsi to eat out of the hands of the Saudis. But Morsi doesn’t want the cake. He wants the bakery, and he is happy to force the long-suffering people of Egypt into North Korean conditions if that is what it takes.
Morsi knows far better than our foreign policy mandarins that Egypt, as it is now constituted, is an unsolvable problem. With 45% illiteracy, 50% dependency on imported food, inadequate water, a chronic lack of skills, and a host of other ills, Egypt can’t get there from here. He has to break out or break down. Egypt’s situation is desperate, but the country is led by desperate men. The staid guardians of the status quo, the corrupt old guard of the Egyptian military, have chosen not to oppose the Muslim Brotherhood. It was time for them to go, and they went.
The Obama administration has presided over a collapse of a system of alliances which sustained America’s position in the region for sixty years. And if you want to know what’s happening, ignore the self-consoling spin in the mainstream media, and listen to what our adversaries are saying. They have the ball.
UPDATE: Egypt’s foreign exchange reserves rose by $700 million in August, mainly due to Qatar’s deposit. The government had predicted a $1 billion rise; the different probably reflects spending by the central bank to support the Egyptian pound, which has traded weakly. Egypt’s stock market rose, but that should be read in context: the whole value of Egypt’s stock market is roughly equal to a medium-sized component of the S&P 500, for example, American Express or 3M.






If Iran becomes the successful bully in the Middle East playground all the children will follow and then they get the power to destroy Israel. Since we are dealing with abused children better Israel become the bully and prevent Iran now from getting bully power to wipe out Israel and if they are successful all the abused children in the playground with gibe Mitt Romney the vote to become President of USA
What a great risk to take which needs much prayer I believe with little time to pray before the action
Jerusalem is not placing its ‘faith’ in Washington – that’s for sure, regardless of the media’s blathering to the contrary.
As to Egypt….see ‘http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/13/coming-full-circle-the-planned-empowerment-of-the-muslim-mafia-aka-brotherhood-via-egypt-most-populous-arab-country-under-the-guidance-of-barack-hussein-obama-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
as well as several others at my blog.
Hosea 11
New International Version (NIV)
God’s Love for Israel
11 “When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.
2 But the more they were called,
the more they went away from me.[a]
They sacrificed to the Baals
and they burned incense to images.
3 It was I who taught Ephraim to walk,
taking them by the arms;
but they did not realize
it was I who healed them.
4 I led them with cords of human kindness,
with ties of love.
To them I was like one who lifts
a little child to the cheek,
and I bent down to feed them.
5 “Will they not return to Egypt
and will not Assyria rule over them
because they refuse to repent?
6 A sword will flash in their cities;
it will devour their false prophets
and put an end to their plans.
7 My people are determined to turn from me.
Even though they call me God Most High,
I will by no means exalt them.
8 “How can I give you up, Ephraim?
How can I hand you over, Israel?
How can I treat you like Admah?
How can I make you like Zeboyim?
My heart is changed within me;
all my compassion is aroused.
9 I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I devastate Ephraim again.
For I am God, and not a man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come against their cities.
10 They will follow the Lord;
he will roar like a lion.
When he roars,
his children will come trembling from the west.
11 They will come from Egypt,
trembling like sparrows,
from Assyria, fluttering like doves.
I will settle them in their homes,”
declares the Lord.
Israel’s Sin
12 Ephraim has surrounded me with lies,
Israel with deceit.
And Judah is unruly against God,
even against the faithful Holy One.[b
In reading this I thought perhaps Iran can be called Assyria before it is called Persia home of “Cyrus” the chosen one of God. so many miracles takes place with God and so many curses seem to come without God ,the enemy jumps at an opportunity to destroy God’s chosen people
No Assyria is not Persia of ancient. Today’s Assyria is Germany. Google the words Assyria and Germany and you’ll be able to read many interesting things…..
Egypt and Iran will align themselves, but they’ll fall (a whirlwind against them…)
Jossi, I read the link about the Parthians/Scythians and about modern Prussia being semitic Assyrians. All this may be true, but I wonder why my mother-in-law, of Prussian descent, was a natural blonde? Are semites ever natural blondes? Of course other genes take over in the long history of peoples. We are all mixed up. My mother was 100% Irish in all modern generations, yet had a haplogroup J1C from ancient Israel, so therefore I have that maternal haplogroup. I am therefore a Jew. But think of all the other “races” which poured into my genome! Impossibly complex.
who conquered the 10 tribes of Israel? Iran is in position to do this in our day unless they are stopped soon ,I believe. Then Iran can change and produce good fruit like that Cyrus fella spoken of by Isaiah 200 years before he was born ,I believe.
“Today’s Assyria is Germany.”
Germany became Christian. This is the Cain and Abel. Cain murder Abel. God put curse on Cain’s head for murdering Abel. they carry the shame for what feels like forever and skinheads remind them of their great shame.
Now Israel is nation the age of Seth figure of speech. Just like Joesph love his younger brother Benjamin and had a very very hard time trust his wacko other brothers ,Seth ,has hard time trusting anyone I believe as of today but perhaps that change in future
“Egypt’s ambassador to Turkey”? India’s?
Will the US military become like the Pakistani ISI?
Factions supporting Israel against the CIC’s orders?
What role will private contractors play?
you might want to crack the window on the Choomvan.
Thanks much for your gracious reply.
I was thinking of the good General Dempsey and his boss (see below).
US military mans the installations that monitor incoming strikes on Israel.
If they are told to not alert Israel to said incoming, will those units go rogue?
Will factions supply Israel as they’ve done Libya, Syria, and Egypt?
Will privateers play the same role as in Iraq?
Does this muddled situation actually represent American factions quietly supporting opposite sides?
It’s possible, but if they go rogue under Obama they probably get court-martialed.
They may not care. It was under obama that the thought was floated to turn iraq into a no-fly zone to Isreal. Pilots were pretty belligerent in their refusal to fire on IDF pilots. The idea was quietly dropped.
No American soldier is going to refuse an order that comes through the chain of command, even if it involves firing on Israel. To think otherwise if inane.
Are you a career military officer?
Don’t be so quick to think they are mindless robots.
Rico – Do you actually believe American troops would obey an order from this administration (chain of command) to use force against American citizens? If so, then you apparently do not understand the military any better than the Kenyan Commie in the White Mosque. You should check out the story about Dear Leader’s reception at Ft. Bliss after screwing the troops out of a major holiday for his own selfish political purposes.
I so appreciate your highlighting of the non- US centric view,
such as Escobar and Bhadrakumar.
I am ever mindful of your vision of the multipolar world:
“When the cat’s away, the mice… kill each other”
One AWOL US president’s term is enough to trigger a “spontaneous” restructuring of the Middle East. President Romney is going to need a lot of competence around him, and a decisive congress, to handle this mess and our domestic crisis at the same time. Israel is also going to need all of her quick response capabilities. David P. Goldman recently wrote about the fluidity of the moment in the Middle East. I wonder if the fluid of the moment is hypergolic.
He needs to be talking to John Bolton. Rice can handle Russia and China, but the Mideast needs a specialist.
So rather than addressing my reasoned (and reasonable) criticism, you flush my comments down the toilet – hide from them? Aren’t you up to responding more forthrightly than that? I may be a critic on occasion, but I have enough respect to tell you as I see it, to tell you where I think you’re getting it right or wrong… But such respect erodes a bit each time you use a squelching tactic like this. Seems rather brittle and arrogant, not to mention plain sad.
Ah, yes.
First the “Arab Spring.” Then the fall.
Then nuclear winter.
Spengler – Thanks for this intriguing analysis. I am only a bit disappointed that you did not attempt to connect it to the recent statement of the U.S. CJCoS GEN Dempsey that the U.S. will not be “complicit” in an Israeli attack on Iran. Given that Gen Dempsey’s statement was issued following the latest IAEA report showing dramatic Iranian progress towards nuclear weapons, I thought the use of the word “complicit (with its connotation that an IAF strike would be criminal)” was exceptionally strong for a statement which was almost certainly vetted, probably through the WH.
On another note, I recently picked up a copy of “ It’s Not the End of the World …”. I’d like your readers to know that it is not simply a re-printing of AT essays. The material from AT and FT has been merged, reworked and updated to present the underlying ideas in very agreeable and interesting way. Also, great Detroit cover photo. Detroit really leads the way towards ruin.
“The Obama administration has presided over a collapse of a system of alliances which sustained America’s position in the region for sixty years” … amazing that people expected more from an empty chair.
Thanks for the plug for my book. Gen. Dempsey like his boss is revolting. And the Israeli media claims that the Obama administration has told the Iranians it will distance itself from any Israeli strike as long as Iran doesn’t hit US installations.
Yes, I think I will read your book. Dempsey bad.
Hey as long as you are talking about David’s other stuff, just wondering if you were gonna do a review on 2016. Your essay on “Obama’s Women” and “Angry Michelle” were out a full 4 1/2 years before the movie. Cant believe you werent interviewed for the movie. I can tell you I STILL send those columns out to people. Even 4 1/2 years later.
It is indeed an excellent book, and for easier ordering, here it is at Amazon.com (which I have no relationship with besides being a happy customer for a decade and a half).
It is not clear to me why Dempsey should be commenting publicly on U.S. intentions with respect to an Israeli attack against Iran. Is this not inappropriate of him?
In the 1980′s when I prepared an in-depth political and economic analysis of Egypt for Pan American Airlines and those obtaining intelligence I could not have foreseen such a deliberate disintegration of a national polity to Islamist prejudices in such short order.
As Mr Barry Rubin stated Jimmy Carter was responsible for the creation of Islamist Iran, and Mr Obama enabled the creation of Islamist Egypt.
This former Pan American Airways employee would like to see more of your thoughts included in that political and economic analysis. I’ll bet you were prescient; hope the right people read it. Remember the TWA highjacking? All very pertinent today, but dismissed now in our electronically truncated attention spans.
Obama didn’t ‘preside over’, he precipitated it. His (radical leftists) democracy activists were heavily involved, and when things went wobbly, Obama made no effort to prop things up. Instead he pushed everything over into the abyss.
Presided? Enabled and encouraged.
What you didn’t mention was Egypt’s neighbor to the east weakened and in retreat under the farce US led land for rockets and jihad Road Map.
Israel after years of being restrained and de-clawed by the nefarious Washington CFR agenda is in for some hard hell time and it’s finally sinking in with the fools Netanyahu and Barak who thought that America was Israel’s God.
This is going to get real ugly real fast because Israel has become all hollow and empty talk and unable to back up their threats with anything more than sitting on their hands waiting for a green light from their imperial overseer,Master Obama.
Morsi will walk all over the infidels along with Iran and their proxy armies Hamas and Hezbollah until the lap dog Netanyhau and his sidekick Minister of retreat and Jewish homes demolitions are either run out of Jerusalem or grow some razor sharp teeth to deal a deadly blow to the arising Armageddon Caliphate.
I want to say, to start, that I think Pres. Obama is a moron. I certainly didn’t vote for him, and won’t vote to reelect him in November. That being said:
It’s all very well and good to bemoan the situation we’re in. Egypt appears to be going Islamist, and that puts Israel in serious straits in terms of military confrontation. I always observe that Egypt was militarily the backbone of the Arab military attacks on Israel, by virtue of demographics. It’s the only country in the region with a) a border with Israel and b) enough of a population to raise an army large enough to cause serious problems. Syria’s border is very small, and its population isn’t large enough to make up for that; Lebanon’s border is small, and its population is small and riven with factions; and Jordan’s border is the longest and most dangerous, but the country is again riven with factions, and small population-wise. Without Egypt there’s no serious conventional military threat to Israel; with Egypt they’re looking at a two-front war (if Syria, Lebanon, or Jordan can be persuaded to join in) and that makes things much more problematic.
The question I have then isn’t about the current situation, it’s about what we could have done to prevent this from occurring. How was Obama (or Bush or McCain or whoever) going to prevent Mubarak from falling? Perhaps we could have shored him up for a year or two more, but only at the expense of our own image in the region, and they hate us enough over there already. Also, you have to (I know it’s not something that’s popular) look at this from a moral point of view. The guy rigged elections, was intending to install his son as dictator once he died, imprisoned political opponents, and lined his own pockets. Yes, he was secular as a leader, and yes he was more or less peaceful to Israel, but the rest of it made him very unpopular, to the point that he’s given both of those policies that we don’t like a bad name, in Egypt anyway.
You’re right that Egypt and Iran will now line up against Saudi Arabia. Do you have any constructive ideas as to how we should oppose this? I think it’s worthwhile for us to do it, but we need constructive criticism, not just “Obama’s an idiot” or “Obama’s in the pockets of the Islamists” or whatever. We have to figure out how to let the Democracy cat out of the Saudi bag, without it turning the whole country into an Islamist dictatorship, and frankly I think it’s going to be *very* difficult to do. I always tell people when this discussion comes up that government-wise, the Saudies are pre-Dark-Ages, in comparison with the West or even much of the rest of the world. They’re certainly pre-Magna Carta. The Royal Family runs everything, and there aren’t even Dukes and Earls and Counts to counterweight some of the power of the Royal Family. Saudi Arabia isn’t a country: it’s a Royal Family with ca. 10 million servants of varying class.
The kicker is that whichever of these countries (Iran, Egypt, whoever) manages to destroy Israel will, in turn, rule the Islamic world pretty thoroughly. Moderate Muslims will fall in line in minutes, and of course the Islamists will revere them. The Iranians have been trying to proselytize among the Arab world’s poor for generations, and destroying Israel would bolster the effort to the point it’d probably be unstoppable.
Someone needs to come up with a solution to this problem, not just an observation that Obama’s policies have been a disaster.
3rd paragraph, last sentence: “…both of those policies that we *do* like a bad name…”
1. Behave like a super power. Permission to act not required or desired. Courteous alerts to allies/ friends OK. World opinion is just that, opinion, most of which comes from third world dodos.
2. Occupy Tyre as a Permanent US base in middle east. It should reach inland and include the Golan. Makes it only about twice as large as Camp Pendleton. IT BECOMES US TERRITORY.
3. Begin a real, persistent PsyOps campaign to create an alternate narrative for Islam (I have posted on this many times before, here, and at Belmont Club)
4. Cut off any and all aid to Egypt, including humanitarian. (Stew in own juice)
5. Dare anybody to breathe wrong.
6. Hit Iran with a Reconnaissance-in-Force…visiting all nuke sites. (9 to 12 Brigades). Not to stay, but to look. (Details previously posted, but available upon request)
7. Watch ‘em squirm.
I have suggested some of the same measures, particularly numbers 1,3,4 and 7.
The most effective, I believe, would be number 1, act like a superpower and 4 cut of all aid, including humanitarian, not only to Egypt but to all Islamic regimes.
Enough is enough.
And, as we discuss this commentary, Obama is concluding the final details of giving Egypt ONE BILLION DOLLARS to help with its debt.
Mr Goldman-thanks for addressing an issue I’d been meaning to ask you about. Obama has been a disaster, but the Middle East, with its ripening demographic bubble that you’ve amply illustrated in your columns, was bound to explode at some point. All of those un(der)employed young men of military age are bound to get used before they get old, particularly with a smaller cohort to follow them. The moral response, of course, would be to work for peace. That having failed miserably, I recommend the following alternatives:
1. Let them fight each other to ill effect. Perhaps its time for Kurdish independence.
2. Drill Baby Drill. Energy independence, as a midterm goal,
Sorry-hit the wrong button.Energy independence as a midterm goal, improves our economy and makes it more difficult for Islamists to finance their operations.
3. Rekindle American Jewish support for Israel. I can still remember as the only Catholic kid in my 6th grade class in Shaker Heights the sudden switch of Jewish families to supporting Nixon when Muskie’s candidacy imploded and McGovern went into the lead for the Democratic nomination. Perhaps the reemergence of Egypt as an enemy will help to mend the current divisions in the American Jewish Community. This will make Israel a critical factor in determining who gets the electoral votes inplaces like NY, Fla, and Connecticut.
Iran getting The Bomb scares the hell out me–but only that. Egypt is collapsing, in another year they’ll be eating each other. Syria is self-immolating and Hezbollah will soon be left high-and-dry with no nearby friends and surrounded by enemies itching to settle scores.
I have never studied the current state of Egypt’s military but I’m willing to bet it is already in the process of a rapid decline. The several decades after the founding of the State of Israel was an historic anomaly in which Pan-Arab dictators wielded powerful, modern armies (with a lot help from the USSR, remember them?) As Morsi Islamizes the country Egypt’s military will rust and rot. Remember the Shah? He built Iran into a mighty regional power. Within months of the Ayatollah taking over The Iranian professional military was purged and gutted. They fought Saddam with eighth-century tactics and even now can barely scrape together a single armored division.
Islamists cannot do modern warfare, in past centuries they made the Earth tremble but you can’t win against a modern opponent waving scimitars and riding camels.
D. Nicholas wrote, “Without Egypt there’s no serious conventional military threat to Israel….”
Wrong! Iran is a country with 75 million people. Iranian troops will move through Iraq into Syria and on to the Golan. That they will be slaughtered in their efforts matters not a bit. This tactic will weaken Israel if only from the need to use up its stores of weapons that will not be replenished by the US. Moreover, the UN will be all over Israel to halt its self-defense activities. Lebanon will be thrown into chaos, making fertile ground for Islamist extremists. What is left of the Christians in Lebanon will be subject to the same pressures to leave or die as can be seen in Iraq and Egypt.
Indeed, Egypt is the least likely country to engage in organized, head-to-head hostilities with Israel, because of the Aswan Dam’s vulnerability. Their attacks on Israel will be low-level hit and run and will come with plausible deniability.
1. Logistics
2. ASMs
D-mn. Here I was pretty sure that the apocalyptic scenarios of my dispensationalist youth were just concoctions of overly-literalistic fundamentalists. Doesn’t look that way.
D-mn……………….
“The Obama administration has presided over a collapse of a system of alliances which sustained America’s position in the region for sixty years.”
It’s frustrating to witness so many insisting that foreign policy is a *strong* point in Obama’s favor – this in the face of so many abject failures. Someone needs to ask those who think Obama has a strong record on foreign policy to spell out some of his successes. “Well, um, he’s, uh, strengthened the US standing in the world and, uh, he got Bin Laden.”
The problem with the analysis in this article is that, like many commentaries it focuses on POLITICAL over ECONOMIC. Political Islam is certainly unfriendly to the U.S. but there is no reason Islamists and the U.S. cannot be allies. Witness Saudi Arabia- Islamist to the core and a close Ally.
The real issue is economic: Is Morsi going to introduce market capitalism reforms and watch his economy take off or is he going for the North Korean model. Hopefully when he was going to school in America somebody showed him a sattelite pic of Korea at night?
An Islamist Egypt that is repressive (veiled women, gays on the gallows) but ‘open for business’ is better for the U.S. (and much much better for the Egyptian people)than the crony capitalism of Mushy and the boys.
“Witness Saudi Arabia- Islamist to the core and a close Ally.”
Yes, and No. You might not have been reading closely enough the scope of MB activities here in the U.S., and where their patronage and funding comes from.
Goldman is another one in love with the myth of Iranian hegemony. Morsi took a big dump on Iran’s head at that conference. Egypt is indeed becoming an adversary, but not on behalf of Tehran, but in league with Ankara. Wake up Goldman!
Iran supplying Syrian Military by way of Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/world/middleeast/iran-supplying-syrian-military-via-iraq-airspace.html?_r=1&hp
The situation does not require any “expert” analysis.
There will be a war because Iran has an arrogant psychopath Supreme leader who WANTS war, has clearly expressed his intent, and will strike the minute he has the capability.
Yhe U.S. has an arrogant psychopath President who will not “take sides” until the first rocket has been fired becaluse he would rather “offend” Israel than Iran.
Israell, regardless of who is in charge, has no chance of of avoiding total destruction if it does not strike first.
So, whose side are you on?
The solution is simple, but harsh.
Make clear as day in private to Egypt, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China, and Russia that ANY unconventional weapon attack on Israel will be met with essential nuclear destruction (by us) of the society that launches it.
We are the only country in the world able to eliminate anyone, at any time of our choosing. Time to make good on “peace through strength.”
This should awaken the worlds diplomats to solve this mess once and for all. Nothing like a little Von Clausewitz in the morning to open the eyes.
Russia has its own quite severe internal problems. China needs us desperately, as the bargain they struck with their population (political repression but economic progress) depends on our acquiescence to their currency manipulation. Europe is not a factor, and never will be.
Want to be Islamic? Fine, your choice. Not one that most people would make, but if they made their bed, they now have to lie in it.
However:
(1) Israel stays put, with a land solution to the Palestinians similar to that offered to Arafat 10 years ago, and continued/new peace treaties with Jordan, Syria (what ever is left of it), Egypt, and Iran (yes, Iran). That is the price to Iran for us taking our loaded gun off their temple.
(2) The Saudis are made to understand that they broker this entire process above with their oil money, or we really let the true Middle Eastern crisis come to a head and let the Shia loose on them.
(3) Turkey plays the leading role, as a powerful Sunni country the Shia like Iran still respect. However, the Turks must prove to us first that they are up to the responsibility through a series of even handed public proposals towards Israel.
(4) Control of Middle Eastern terrorism becomes the responsibility of this new Islamic bloc. Any such terrorism on US soil or against US interests will be considered a hostile act against us, and will be met with a military response.
Sure, this is harsh, but what are the other solutions. Wait until some idiot in Tehran, Damascus, or Cairo does something stupid and has the Israelis wipe them off the map?
We are the alpha dog of the world. With this power comes responsibility. Time to get responsible.
To be fair George Bush started it. His Freedom Agenda aka the Bush Doctrine. This is the end result of Bush’s Freedom Agenda.
One good thing about it, is that the Left can no longer claim that Muslims are “moderate.” The vast majority of them in the center of the Bell Curve support Muslim supremacist policies, shariah law, Islamic government, dhimmitude, second class status for women and people of the book, and so on and so forth.
This clarification is needed badly, in order to generate political will amongst the population that has been purposely misled about Islam and it’s adherents, for a policy of containment.
It also provides justification for total war on Muslim countries and their populations, not this pussy footin’ around.
Just published in the Wall Street Journal:
Obama Administration Working on Egypt Bailout
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443571904577629991601055580.html
“The envoys currently in Cairo are negotiating over slightly less than half the money, which would be paid as a direct cash transfer to Egypt’s budget.
The larger portion, about $550 million, would be doled out in a debt-swap program in which both the U.S. and Egyptian governments would agree on how the money will be allocated.”
Obama can compete with the Emir of Qatar. $1 billion doesn’t go very far. Obama doesn’t want to offer up a big foreign-aid item in an election year.
“Obama doesn’t want to offer up a big foreign-aid item in an election year.”
In his own way, Obama is almost as frightening as Morsi.
Can’t believe this isn’t unbelievably bad news worthy. Dave what’s a guy gotta write to make it to the UBN blog at the Gatestone Institute?
I don’t follow that blog.
“The Obama administration has presided over a collapse of a system of alliances which sustained America’s position in the region for sixty years.”
We can always make Armenia our priority to enhance our sustained position in the region.
Our governing class is historically illiterate and naive beyond belief. ANY regime which is non-aligned should get NO US foreign aid and no free trade either. You don’t want to align with the West, with democracy, with law, with liberty? FINE – DONT. They can be NON-aligned with us if they want, fine and dandy. Screw them. No aid and no free trade. What is wrong with our country?
The NAM movement is disgusting. Biblical morality – that of individual responsibility and absolute right vs. wrong – cannot sway these countries. Fundamentally, the non-aligned movement (NAM) is the antithesis of what America has always stood for because it defines morality (right vs. wrong) based on skin color or group or race, not based on the actions of the person or the country. Until that changes, these countries will to different degrees hate the United States and hate Israel.
We can’t let these ideas creep into the United States by letting these people into our country either. The Bandung Generation has not changed a lick since 1955 – the people in these countries will continue to suffer the consequences of living in societies without justice
I agee. Why should any country which considers itself not aligned with the West, and in some way aligned with Tehran, get any benefits from the international system created by the West. By the mere fact they are non-aligned with the West, they show themselves to be an enemy of the international order they profit from. Tgey should not be allowed to have it both ways. Egypt getting any money at all fom the US is a travesty. Any country that is part of the non-aligned movement should have its Western privileges revoked, including trade, aid, visas, study. Let there for once be a price to anti-americanism. But as Mr. Goldman notes, we cannot even identify our interests, much less stand up for them.
Leaving aside the “human rights” aspect of what is going on in Egypt — obviously not really a concern for the Obama Administration — the recent actions by (or with the approval of) the Islamic Brotherhood show a strong move to radicalism. Again, ignoring any moral stance, but just looking at these incidents as a sign of the Egyptian government’s likely actions, the following events are both disturbing in and of themselves and signals of worse to come:
1) reports of Christians being — literally — crucified (i.e., nailed to trees) by Islamic fundamentalists in the rural areas of Egypt
2) a Christian girl, reportedly of diminished mental capacity, jailed and likely to be tried, convicted and executed (by stoning) of anti-Islamic activities when she accidently burned pages from a book teaching students how to read the Koran. Not a copy of the Koran, just a book about the Koran (although, I suppose, it contains verses)
3) the Egyptian government has banned public celebration of the High Holy Days by Jewish congregations this year, for reasons of “security.” This is unprecidented; Jews have been allowed to workship in their synagogues without interference for literally centuries
No word recently about attacks on Coptic churches, but there have been sporadic incidents during the past year.
This sort of hard-line religious fervor combined with government approval (or at least aquesence) is prfoundly disturbing.
Any thoughts from others following this issue?
Sorry, meant the “Moslem Brotherhood.”
The United States does not have “adversaries” in the Obama world. We have peoples we have harmed in the past who are still distrustful of us. We have misunderstandings and circumstances which we have not tried hard enough to correct. Our only legitimate interest is to promote the aspirations of others even if those aspirations are eventually to kick our butts.
Right now Egypt is more a danger to itself than anyone else. They are a much bigger problem for Israel than before because they have let slip the dogs of Sinai, a decision they will likely regret. They are going through the motions of doing something about that now but not in a serious way.
We will never get a realistic policy from our current administration. Egypt looks more like Iran every day.
1939- Molotov and von Ribbentrop sign nonaggression pact between Soviet Union and Germany
2013- Dempsey and Ahmadinejad sign nonaggression pact between US and Iran
Islam has to be banned
and mass proper mental schooling has to done on each and every muslim. Within 3
generations this will be a fantastic planet. Everybody will be schooled and
nobody can blame islam for their idiotic and violent and absurd actions and
thoughts. Islam has to be forgotten. This is the Planet Marshall plan.
It’s a given……Islam is violent …very violent.
Islam cannot change or convert so just as islam prescribes death for many things,
islam should be put to death.
Muslims are the first victims of islam……
Yoda would say “Sadistic only can live islam and violently only extinguished can
islam be .” We have to understand Yoda first and then we have to understand that just because muslims can speak doesn’t make them nice like us. A Cobra can never become non-poisonous.
All muslims ….even the elderly ones and
middle aged mental ones today were actually nice children that islam forcibly
retarded with sadistic threats and actions first by the eldest. Doubting
anything islamic is un-islamic. Dogma and mindless bull is shoved into their innocent minds from a young age all their lives….in guttural Arabic…which is being noted and translated and captured on digital media. The islam file is fattening. islam is a capture cult. Death for simply wanting exit…..a simple and most deadly threat all their lives.
Muslims are s c r e w e d.
If muslims today had to choose rationally do you think they’d choose these idiotic arabs? Without free oil cash islam would sink like the titanic. All muslims think that when the whole world is muslim they’ll be rich like the arabs. Like the arabs are going to give it away….ha!!
I’m sure the first arab muslims were
just slightly dumber than moremad and just as frustrated. No one actually is
that mad to choose islam for what it is.
Perverted after-life sensual bribery and guilt-free
violence for fulfilling violent and psychotic fantasies of the elderly self-proclaimed sadistic clergy who are the most pure muslims just like Moremad .
Muslims are trapped in islam .
They want out bwana……. but who will show them the way?
Maybe when they hang that mullah in Pakistan for blasphemy because he did the right thing by tearing and burning some koran that the muslims of the world will see the dangling carrot
on the stick. Thank god for TV. islam will be washed out of our planet . I would
rather live in a jungle full of wild animals than near a fester of smiling muslims.
I thought it was a rather poignant message for Americans, both Christians and Jews, that the 2012 Democratic Platform committee which removed reference to God (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/5/reference-god-missing-democratic-platform/), also removed reference to Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Hamas as an enemy and Israel as an ally (http://www.rjchq.org/2012/09/rjc-releases-ad-blasts-democrats-for-stripping-jerusalem-and-pro-israel-support-from-platform/).
It cries out for a Spengler post.
The whole conservative commentariat has been on this one like white on rice. I’ve already gotten a dozen emails about it. It’s a disgrace.
I’ve seen pieces on the missing God angle and on the missing Jerusalem angle but haven’t seen anyone relate the two.
If Jesse Jackson wanted to cut off his nuts then Floridians shouldn’t have rushed to the polls to vote for him. Inclusion of that language gave them false hope so exclusion makes more sense. This time around, Obama should apologize to the Iranians just to see how gullible they are.
Obama is a homie first and a member of one of the Abrahamic religions second. You all reacted too quickly, giving him the opportunity to patch up the Democratic Platform. Imagine if he had to defend the missing God reference during the debates. Calm down. Sell him some rope.
Polish death camps was not an unforced error. Racial reference to the Palestinians was not an unforced error. Game on.
I just submitted comment to Goldman’s article and was told I’d already said the same on your site. Impossible as it was first time I ever submitted anything on your website. I did disagree with Goldman so maybe you simply censor whatever you don’t like to hear? Despicable practice, if so, but then as an instrument of support for Israeli government–and not its people–we maybe should expect such policies from PJ.
We need to add another element to any analysis of Egypt’s current situation: American-made weaponry. Specifically, the US has provided Egypt with a lot of high-tech weapons, mostly aircraft and anti-aircraft missiles. They have over 200 F-16′s. Additionally, Egypt has a lot of European aircraft, specifically Mirage fighters. While none of this is likely to be top line equipment by US (or Israeli) standards, it certainly would be valuable technology to the likes of China, and, to a lesser degree, Russia and Iran. This could be a decent bargaining chip for Egypt.
typical zionist crap reeking of biased upon bias and Islamophobia.
So now disliking the Muslim Brotherhood is Islamophobia? Talk about defining deviancy up.
Perhaps it is time for the western powers and the US in particular to let the Islamic nations fend for themselves. If they wish to sell us oil or other goods, fine. If they wish to buy our food or other goods, fine. But if the Islamic states like Egypt want continued handouts, then perhaps they should show a little respect and cooperation, as opposed to burning our embassies and murdering our diplomats.
Of course, this is just ‘typical zionist crap’ instead an American who is pretty damned sick and tired of Muslim outrage at the world instead of Muslim contribution to making this world a better place.
Given the events of yesterday (Sept 11 2012) isn’t really time to start actively disengaging? At some point, it must be clear that these are not our friends and this is not a field worth fighting for. I can’t imagine what we gain in terms of influence that could not just as easily be gained by withholding aid entirely as by expanding it. Frankly, Morsi has given us a pretext to stop all aid – I say take the opportunity to do just that. And if he wants it back, see what he is willing to concede for it.