The Apple of Discord
The Daily Caller has an article suggesting that Bill Clinton is worried that Hillary is being measured for a frame. “With tensions between President Obama and the Clintons at a new high, former President Bill Clinton is moving fast to develop a contingency plan for how his wife, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, should react if Obama attempts to tie the Benghazi fiasco around her neck, according to author Ed Klein.”
Klein said relations between the Clintons and President Obama have reached a new low, most recently with Obama ignoring Bill Clinton’s offer to help him and Vice President Joe Biden prepare for the debates with the Republican ticket …
Added Klein: “His fury turned to deep concern when the Benghazi business unfolded because he was deeply troubled by the appearance that the White House was going to throw Hillary under the bus, which in fact it appears it is doing.”
Just intrigue by Klein or another example of the old saw, “where there’s smoke there’s fire”?
Michael Walsh at the National Review Corner thinks they’re going to need a bigger bus. The number of people being measured for a frame continue has grown fascinatingly long.
Now, it seems, that Team Obama has decided to try and save U.N. ambassador Susan Rice — whose reputation in the IC could hardly be lower — and perhaps press secretary Jay Carney as well by tossing the nation’s spooks under the bus, in which direction they’re also nudging Hillary Clinton.
But you can’t burn all your friends, and the Obama forces already have a lot fewer allies than they think they do. The disrespectful way they treated former White House chief of staff William Daley is likely to come back to haunt them in the graveyards of Chicago, and the bad blood between them and the Clintons hasn’t gone away, despite Bill’s bonhomie at the convention.
Walter Russell Mead doesn’t think that feeding Hillary to the wolves will sate their hunger for very long. “Libya looks like it was a perfect storm for the administration. A humanitarian intervention that never had a lot of support in the United States had not only failed to create a peaceful and stable democratic Libya; it was also increasingly clear that al-Qaeda and other terror groups were becoming much stronger in the chaos following the U.S.-led attack on Qaddafi.”
But maybe Walsh and Mead are wrong. Whaddya mean you can’t burn all your friends? All you need is enough wood and a steady supply of matches. And besides Hillary’s carcass will keep the buzzards fed for a while and as long as the smoke and fire stay overseas Obama’s press flacks can probably keep the flames from licking too near the White House. The great danger for President Obama is if al-Qaeda’s resurgence in North Africa and the Middle East leads to a successful attack on the US homeland. The second worst scenario would be if the the ‘Arab Spring’ sets off a war in the Middle East that impacts Israel.
One area of great concern to the administration is the massive Syrian stockpile of chemical weapons, one so massive it is almost a counterweight to Israeli nukes. The LA Times reports:
The scope of the Syrian chemical weapons program and the international community’s failure to craft a cohesive plan to stop the fighting confront Western military strategists with the need to plan for a worst-case scenario rather than act to prevent it, analysts say. That means preparing allies in the region to launch a massive rapid-deployment operation after the Assad regime collapsed but before Al Qaeda-aligned fighters or rogue elements of the Syrian rebels could get their hands on the WMD.
Doing that successfully will take 75,000 US troops according to a former special forces officer who testified before Congress.
The U.S. special forces sent to Amman are probably training Jordanian troops in containment techniques and checking their equipment and chemical-biological hazard protection and practices, said Steven Bucci, a former Army Green Beret officer and senior Pentagon official who is now a research fellow in defense and domestic security at the Heritage Foundation.
“They will probably be running them through training procedures for dealing with this stuff to secure it and get it under control or to respond to it if it gets used” in a calamitous last battle, said Bucci. “This is about the best use of our military we could have now, and hopefully we’re also helping out the Turks.”
Bucci testified to Congress in July that even a limited operation to secure Syria’s chemical weapons would require more than 75,000 troops — and many more if launched amid the civil war now raging.
It is “not a viable option” to commit masses of U.S. ground troops to such an operation, Bucci told the House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation and Trade. Any effective force, he said, would have to involve troops from allied Muslim countries also at risk of attack with Syria’s chemical weapons.
Nope. Not with Iraq gone and the Army in Afghanistan. If things really go south in Syria the US will helplessly watch al-Qaeda grab the huge chemical stockpile. But what — besides hoping it won’t happen — can the Obama Administration do to head it off?
- Blame Hillary
- Blame Bush
- Blame a video
- Lead from the fron
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I don’t think BO is competent to engineer a frame. Whatever happens will be all about protecting his own precious hindquarters. Just like with gay marriage, after forcing Barry to join him there, Joey B was able to (at least temporarily) get himself under umbrella with Barry on this Benghazi thing.
I wonder if any of Barry’s old Chicago buddies are willing to back a loser? Billy Ayers’ tactics were rather blunt.
This could be some neat political theatre. What will the Hilarybots do if Hilary is thrown under the bus?
Besides the Benghazi Lie, the Catholic Bishops took the lifelong Catholic Joe Biden to the woodshed for his bearing false witness today:http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-163.cfm.
And that line about only people making $1 million will get their taxes raised – well the White House has already backtracked that to $250K.
Romney needs to come out and directly confront these lies before the next debate, and remark about them during the debate.
Al Quaida wouldn’t even have to use WMD on American soil. One of the things revealed in those hearings was the FACT that somewhere between ten and twenty THOUSAND shoulder-fired manpads were given by US to the ‘freedom fighters’ in the middle east. Considering this administrations’ dogged determination to keep our border with Mexico unsecured and the logical assumption that at least SOME of those manpads have fallen into the hands of Al Quaida, would it not make sense that commercial airliners could start being shot down right here in the good ol’ USA?
Think back to 9-11-11 and the absolute turmoil caused by the shut-down of ALL air travel over the continental US caused by that event and the effect on our economy at that time. Two airliners shot down close to each one of a half-dozen hub airports in the space of a couple of hours would be a ‘jim-dandy’ reason to have the American people begging for martial law to be declared. Coupled with the 930-something executive orders quietly signed in the past 4 years in preparation for that exact scenario (or something equally dire), we would be hard-pressed to re-capture our country back from these jackals. The key is to get the public to ‘beg’ for martial law to be imposed. This is exactly the way billy ayres and the boys think.
It’s getting crowded underneath Obama’s bus. Pretty soon, the wheels won’t be touching the ground.
4. Eggplant
It’s getting crowded underneath Obama’s bus. Question is: is he driving it or leading from behind?
Trying to thread the needle, BHO would be foolish to throw Hillary under the bus before November 6. He can scarcely afford to alienate any Hillary voter from 2008 who may still harbor any loyalty to her from those primaries. Nor would he be wise to get Bill’s dander up. If she is to be ejected, it will be after the election.
Meanwhile, I would expect Romney to refine and condense the articulation of the Administration’s dissembling on Libya when he faces BHO Tuesday. Ryan tried to address this Thursday but not in the pointed way it needed to be done. Meanwhile, I hope commercials are being made that show the contradictions in the Administration’s stories.
As to those run over by busses, my prediction is that it will be all mid-level and low-level folks who are trashed.
Biden himself could wind up under the bus. Last night he said that the Administration didn’t know about the security situation in Libya but the Administration will know exactly when the Iranians get the bomb.
http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-secret-mission-of-ambassador-stevens.html
“Recent documents unearth in Benghazi tell a story of an even greater sin committed by the Obama administration than incompetence. These newly discovered documents suggest that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on a mission to track and confiscate weapons that the administration had put in the hands of Al Queda when they thought they were arming the Libyan rebels. ”
take for what it’s worth
Nobody puts Baby in a corner.
If Obama tries to throw Hillary under the bus, Bill will gut Obama like a trout with a smile, a few well chosen words, and a little chuckle. And half the people will not even understand that Bill is doing in Obama. They will only suddenly realize they despise Obama and Biden.
What Can Obama Do To Stop al-Qaeda’s resurgence
Ron Paul.
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Hildabeast is already announced to be leaving after January, one way or another. With the vile Democrats still in the Senate, I presume she will stay in office until then, if she has to shift the frame implausibly to some random clerk in the mailroom.
Does it really matter? She can’t unring the bell, defenestrating her would not bring Stevens back, and I doubt she’s capable of any behaviors other than the ones we’ve already seen.
Isn’t Susan Rice immune from criticism, being a woman of color? Maybe even Hildabeast, being a women (allegedly) of palor? There must be a white man somewhere they can blame it on – Paul Ryan! That’s what Biden said. I think that’s their story. That Biden, he’s white himself you know, I’d say he’s clean and complicit, better watch that bus his own self.
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h @ 7: Biden himself could wind up under the bus. Last night he said that the Administration didn’t know about the security situation in Libya but the Administration will know exactly when the Iranians get the bomb.
Sure, also that Syria was five times larger than Libya and we didn’t have overflight rights from Narnia.
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Still, for Hillary:
Baby’s on fire
Better throw her in the water
Look at her laughing
Like a heifer to the slaughter
Baby’s on fire
And all the laughing boys are bitching
Waiting for photos
Oh the plot is so bewitching
Rescuers row row
Do your best to change the subject
Blow the wind blow blow
Lend some assistance to the object
Photographers snip snap
Take your time she’s only burning
This kind of experience
Is necessary for her learning
…
But Baby’s on fire!
And all the instruments agree that
Her temperature’s rising
But any idiot would know that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMt1Oy5uQ0w
(the guitar solo, if not the words)
Romney needs to help 0bama push Hildabeast out the door and under the wheels, I been stating this since 9/11(2012), Hildabeast and Bill the molester will fight back and it will get real ugly inside the Demoncrate party! Hildabeast has a very plausible excuse just don’t know if anyone in the 0bama administration (Axelrod, Jarret, etc.) are sharp enough to discredit it and be able to pop Hildabeast life raft. Like I said, I hope everyone kept their time stamped material! Really a lot of folks in the Intel business are getting some comeuppance due them on this from the Whitehouse, rarely do the deserving get it in the end though. Remember 12/21/2012 is just far enough away for a lot of this to have the volatile mix to be the “Earth Changing” event them ancients spoke of… I think we’re experiencing some of the quite before the storm, this depression may just become that Hurricane… Will it go Cat5?
obama is starting to look like Richard III, at the end of the play.
The original apple of discord was made of gold and inscribed “to the fairest”. I bet Obama’s apple of discord is sour and green and inscribed “bite me”. There are only so many bites in Obama’s apple and only so many people can fit under the bus.
Sooner or later Presidente Cero will be left with just the core. He will then be dragged under the bus to be be dis-cored and peeled by all his ex buddies.Treating people like throwaway disposable objects will come back to haunt him.
You know, we can ALL do very nicely without the “polls” that always and forever keeping hitting all of us up for our email address. Really sort of low class, don’t you think?
i think the poll asks for an email address to prevent multiple votes from the same person. could be wrong though.
Timing is everything.
A year ago, heck, 6 months ago, Obama would have had options – ranging from waiting for the ‘news cycle’ to move on, up to a full purge. Given his inclination to coast, he would have done nothing and let it die down.
6 months after the election, there would be an option for Hillary to, oh, replace Biden as veep following his resignation due to a sudden health crisis, as reward for her assistance in pinning it all on her own underlings. Or a Supreme Court nomination.
Alas, the political crisis is now – this has the potential to dominate a debate, and stay firmly in the minds of those still persuadable right up to election day. As small as he looked in round 1, he’ll look even smaller as Romney politely but firmly calls bunk on the “they all failed me, I just didn’t know” crap.
The only way to flip this from fiasco to shining moment is to very publicly burn someone BEFORE that debate. Flunkies? What do Undecideds and Independents know of flunkies? Nope, it would almost have to be Hillary.
Oops – he can’t offer her anything at the moment, and he’s not in a position to guarantee payment 6 months from now. And as Batman pointed out, even if she agreed to be bought off, there would be backlash as Fair Hillary once again gets mistreated by a Man Creature.
Complicating matters further – how sincere would a speech titled “I have made terrible mistakes” sound coming from her? It would so reek of politics that even Independents would spot the con.
The least bad option is to keep the team intact.
Airspeed is needed, and alitude is already an issue.
I think Obama’s apple has the word “Overcharged” on it, but in Russian. Or maybe that’s Hillary’s apple. There isn’t much difference between the two. Their problems are the same. They share the same broken philosophies, and the same overpromotion given their real accomplishments. Empty suits, both. The Left has this tendency when being confronted with evidence that their ideas are garbage, and that is to excuse themselves by blaming the messenger, by blaming the particular execution, etc. “Nothing wrong with communism – the USSR was simply botching it!”
Obama better watch out. If he loses this election, he will be the one being thrown under the bus. “Ah such promise he had! What a shame he proved to be such a flawed vessel!” The truth is the poor guy never had a chance. The problem is those dreams of his father themselves are garbage, and they will lead to ruin no matter who takes up the mantle.
I got rid of the poll anyhow. It was only there for comic relief. Reuters says “U.S. intelligence efforts in Libya have suffered a significant setback due to the abandonment and exposure of a facility in Benghazi, Libya identified by a newspaper as a ‘CIA base’ following a congressional hearing this week, according to U.S. government sources.”
What I don’t understand is how al-Qaeda could be unaware of the “secret base” when they mortared it. They had to be aiming at something when they fired the mortars and if memory serves, the attack on September 11 predated the congressional hearing. So unless al-Qaeda had a time machine they knew about it already.
Maybe they were up on the roof when an “unlucky mortar” round came down. And all this because of a video. Isn’t that the story? Wasn’t that the story? Or have they finished examining the drone video (a drone came on station) to find out?
What’s the conclusion going to be? Hillary did it? Susan Rice is responsible? Or will it be all Darryl Issa’s fault?
As many as 37 people eventually escaped …
I didn’t realize that.
Col Hunt says that several hundred people in the US military command all over the world watched the killing of Americans in Bengazi over six hours and did nothing. Of course Biden lied about the White House knowing nothing.
http://audio.wrko.com/a/64657882/col-hunt-on-the-newest-libyan-revelations.htm
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We were told that Stevens had just finished a meeting with a turkish consulate official one hour before the attack …
SF
‘eventually escaped’ is very passive construction – I’m not a military person, so may I ask what that means? Did they shoot their way out? Sneak out a tunnel?
wretchard,
You are a scholar, a gentleman, a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day, and a sensitive little forest flower!
Ancient words of wisdom for Billary:
“Quien con perros se echa, con pulgas se levanta”.
(He who lies down with dogs, rises up with fleas).
cjm @ 8.
Maybe we have Fast & Furious II – The Empire Strikes Back on our hands.
good catch! i hadn’t put it together with the previous weapons fiasco.
This unfolding situation is rather delicious for the white hats to stand back and observe:
The spooks have just been thrown under the bus. Now, the spooks won’t take it lightly, therefore expect some kind of big leak, redirecting blame away from them and towards Hillary and/or the Bamster. The Bamster, being in full campaign mode, will be fully forced to throw Hillary under the bus for the criminal incompetence in her State Department in an act of desperation to save his sinking campaign. Of course, Billary, now sensing grave danger to the Clinton legacy will be forced to do the unthinkable, and will out the Bamster on about October 30th for the cover up. And there you have it the black hats will be on the brink of a civil war on the brink of an election.
Question: Is there any way to give Humpty Dumpty a nudge???
I think they were set up in Benghazi. Stevens arrived via clandestine travel and was likely lured to the meeting under the premise that a deal had been struck to “re-purchase” the MANPADs from “rebel militia” and then transfer them to Turkey. They were all sitting ducks when the trap was sprung an hour later.
Don’t be too hard on Hillary. She was likely kept in the dark and has become a victim of collateral damage. There are supposed to be adults working behind the scenes in Washington DC to make sure this kind of BS doesn’t happen, even with a Manchurian candidate in the oval office. My guess is that we are in deeper doodoo than we realize.
Might Obama throw Hillary under the bus? In this photo, both men are Obama staffers. One’s a speech writer whom Obama calls his “mind reader” (he’s the one with his hand on the grope):
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/images/2008/12/06/favreaujonwashpost44.jpg
Why did Bill give that ringing patented endorsement of Barry at the convention? He had the chance to pull the rug out and, while commentators here were rubbing their hands in anticipation, the fact is that did not happen. The dog did not bark. By any objective measure Hillary should be toast. She is to old to recover and have a third act. No matter who wins she should be radioactive and unemployable for at least a year. Perhaps in two years she could get back in the Senate, but why would she? My guess is that she ends up a college President.
Pure speculation by someone – not me : The WH and Hillary have long since confirmed that they have been actively seeking to pin down a treaty that would hand over U.S. sovereignty to the sacred United Nations. First and foremost, there have been several treaties that would give the United Nations supreme power to regulate United States citizens’ rights to purchase, trade, and own firearms and ammunition. For the moment, those treaties have been deflected.
According to the logic of this speculative hypothesis, the so-called “Fast and Furious” operation was a prolonged deliberate provocation to cast United States’ 2nd Amendment rights as utterly EVIL, and we just barely have managed by LUCK (or the grace of GOD) to have brought the government conspiracy to the light of day in time to prevent its accomplishing this. Now at least it is clear that the {}bama administration itself is solely responsible for the thousands of weapons ending up in the hands of murdering Drug Cartels operating in Mexico. That the Mexican government were never informed, is further evidence of the profound criminality of this program and those in our government who administered it.
So, it is absolutely consistent with that Grotesque Lawlessness to cynically decide to sacrifice the ambassador and various expendable staff for a political end.
Here’s the logic:
Return to the business of this administration’s intention to submit U.S. sovereignty to the United NATIONS, already confirmed and acknowledged by SecState Clinton in the gun rights treaties. Consider that it was widely reported BEFORE the fall of the Mubarak regime in Egypt that the Obama administration had for months been conducting meetings and discussions with groups opposing that regime. The reporting in U.S. Mainstream media cast this in the sense that {}bama wanted to demonstrate support for a popular democratic movement trying to throw off the brutal oppression of Mubarak’s secular rule, now depicted as utterly corrupt and malignant after decades lauded as the anchor of U.S. mideast cooperation.
Well, that’s the rub, isn’t it? If Mubarak had been assisting the BAD Pre-{}bama USA, He HAD to Go, didn’t he?
So the {}bama administration had been aiding, funding, arming groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda since long before the public emergence of the supposedly “spontaneous” Arab Spring.
Finally, it was OUR GOVERNMENT that for weeks, beginning even Prior to the recent anniversary of the 9-11-01 attacks, had started a round-the-clock repetition of the announcement that a U.S. Christian Citizen had produced a video insulting the Prophet Mohammed. This was spread all over the world, everywhere that can be reached by television, radio, or newspapers.
The final conclusion of the hypothesis here is that {}bama was deliberately provoking the rage of Islamic mobs, so he could blame it on irresponsible exercise of our U.S. freedom of speech, and then quickly run to the UN and plead for a resolution that would eventually serve as the basis of a treaty imposing United Nations controls on United States Citizens’ “freedom of speech,” since it was clear that our “freedoms” were being abused and CAUSING international outrage and violence.
Said {}bama in his glib speech before the UN general assembly “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
Of course, he spoke of the need that Christianity must also be respected, but let’s face it: The problem in the world is not Buddhists, or Baptists, or Zoroastrians, or Masons, or followers of Bahá’u'lláh, or Sikhs, or Hindu or Pagans, or Animists, or Mormons that have been slaughtering their neighbors by the tens of thousands, machine-gunning their own daughters for the sin of attending grade school, hanging homosexuals from industrial cranes, and beheading bound kidnapped captives before video cameras to honor their own supreme divinity.
It would be wonderful if someone could point out the flaw in this reasoning. I would love to be able to refute its implications.
BO delegates everything to subordinates so he can get the credit if successful and has deniability if things go south. This is the executive version of voting present. The subordinates, having been given so much delegated authority, know where the bodies are buried. In normal situations, they are immune from being tossed underneath. But this is not a normal situation. If they get tossed, of course, they are taking BHO with them and he knows that. His real problem are the number of those who will act in their own interest before being thrown.
I bet the “lady” in this clip isn’t laughing now:
http://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y
#20
Holy Crap, Charles. Everyone should hear that radio clip you linked. (Please pass it on, folks — the Fourth Estate, now the Fifth Column, is sitting on the story, and it’s impeachment stuff.)
The State Dept., the SecDef, the White House Situation Room, all listening to the people in Benghazi begging for help and watching the attack (via drone) in realtime, for HOURS, and did NOTHING?
And Obama, Hillary, and all of them have lied, stunningly and cynically, ever since that night!
And Biden just got up and lied outright Thursday night, saying the Libya debacle was an “intelligence failure” that they had no idea what was happening, etc., etc. All the while knowing this was an outrageous LIE.
@33: “The State Dept., the SecDef, the White House Situation Room, all listening to the people in Benghazi begging for help and watching the attack (via drone) in real time, for HOURS, and did NOTHING?”
This may not be true. The drone was there for the last hour only. DUS Lamb admitted following the attack in real-time, but no description of the technology was forthcoming. I suspect none shall be forthcoming due to ‘secrecy’ issues.
Nevertheless, Col. Holt’s description of several hundred people following the attack real time is a chilling indictment of the administration’s failure deal with the event. News reports mentioned that Obama had gone to bed early after being informed of the attack so he could make his campaign trip to Nevada.
“It would be wonderful if someone could point out the flaw in this reasoning.”
Can we start with the proposition that it is insane and move directly to the conclusion it is bull goose looney insane?
Last thing I want to do is defend the invisible man (0bama) but he certainly can outwardly say he was ignorant of the problem, when this first broke it was publically (if you believe it) reported 0bama hadn’t attended a Intel Briefing in 6 months prior (funny it is the magical 6 months stated, this alone points to knowledge and deep planning that a 24hr period offers), nor did he attend the Intel briefing the next day, so 0bama’s “out” is there, it is a very bitter pill for him to admit publically if he so choose too but he does have his out, Biden can probably get a free ride with his master, but like I have shouted since the beginning (9/11/12) Romney needs to seal Hildabeast fate by publically demanding 0bama fire (immediately) Hildabeast, forcing 0bama to throw her under the bus before she or he can come up with a face saving exit, this will cause many women supporters of 0bama’s to stay home Nov 6th and civil war will erupt in the Demoncrat party! This monumental moment in history is quickly fading from Romney’s grasp, this is/would be a “Coup de gras”!
“Romney needs to seal Hildabeast fate by publically demanding 0bama fire (immediately) Hildabeast”
No, Romney shouldn’t go there but others could. Better for Romney to let SecState and White House go at one another.
Romney’s insistence that Hillary be fired would probably cause Obama to circle the wagons, instead of firing up the old bus.
But if Obama does drop Hillary before the election, I fear he will have awakened a sleeping PUMA, and filled it with a terrible resolve.
0bama is getting desperate, 0bama would throw Hildabeast under the bus, yes it would make them defensive, 0bama can’t afford to be defensive, that is the point and the more they try to spin the indefensible the more energy and the worse his campaign becomes! It is time for Romney to get Aggressive and this is a winning opportunity! Getting and keeping 0bama and team off balance is priority.
Re 18 and today’s Reuters article: The CIA facility had already been exposed in an article in the NY Times from Sep 20, including satellite photos.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/09/20/world/africa/the-attack-on-the-american-mission-in-benghazi-libya.html?ref=africa
Axelrod, today:
Tearing a few pages out of the old Clinton playbook, David Axelrod carefully defined the word “we” this morning for Fox News’ Chris Wallace: when the Vice President said in Wednesday’s debate that “we” weren’t aware of the Benghazi consulate’s requests for increased security, “we” included only the President and the Vice President – not the Obama administration at large or the State Department. You got that, right?
In response to Wallace’s inquiry about whether the President takes personal responsibility for the denial of security requests in Benghazi, Axelrod said, “these were judgments that were made by security folks at the State Department.”
(from National Review)
Powerlineblog has posted the transcript of a press briefing (10.9.12)from DoS which State has just released (looks like they were not satisfied with the press coverage)