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Dinesh D’Souza Gets Israel Wrong in Acclaimed Debate with Bill Ayers

"And you sometimes ally even with the bad guy to get rid of the worse guy.”

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Sam Levine

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February 3, 2014 - 2:00 pm
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After their anticipated debate at Dartmouth College, Dinesh D’Souza and Bill Ayers took questions from the audience.

D’Souza’s answer to an audience member’s question about Israel was unfortunate (see 1:31:31 of the debate).

The audience member libeled Israel as an apartheid state, accused it of codifying into law discrimination against Arabs, then asked the debaters why the United States supports such a country.

The answer to this question is obvious.

Israel is not an apartheid state.

More than 1 million Arabs live in Israel and have full civil rights. Arabs constitute 10 percent of the Israeli parliament, and one sits on the Israeli Supreme Court. Arabs make up a large portion of the student population at elite Israeli universities where Arabs teach and have full tenure. The only place where Arabs have freedom of speech and association is in Israel.

Hundreds of gay Palestinian Arabs have actually fled to Israel because of fear for their lives due to their sexual orientation.

Meanwhile, Palestinian President Abbas states openly that not a single Jew will be allowed in a future Palestinian state. In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive. In Iran gays are hanged. There is plenty of apartheid in the Middle East, but it is not happening in Israel.

But did D’Souza mention any of this? Nope.

Instead, he tacitly agreed that Israel is an apartheid state by not challenging that accusation in his answer, and ranting on about how much different Israel is than the United States. He then spoke about how all countries are flawed, saying, “We also recognize we live in a big world, and in a big world, we make allies with people, some of whom we agree with 100%, and some of whom we agree with 5%. Why? Because foreign policy is based on the principle of the lesser evil. And you sometimes ally even with the bad guy to get rid of the worse guy.” Wow.

The implication clearly being that Israel is a bad guy, but, hey, we allied with Joseph Stalin, too.

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Very disappointed in Dinesh. I did not watch because Ayers is nothing but a creep, I'd prefer it if he was never heard from again. You cannot debate liars and prevaricators because there is no debate, Its merely a presentation of facts by the Conservative and a refusal to accept those facts by the Leftists. That's what they do.
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Why would he debate the unrepentant founder of a murderous terrorist group. Just agreeing to debate confers legitimacy and suggests that Ayers might have a case to make.

Just agreeing to debate demonstrates that D'Souza is not that smart (as does agreeing to refund people's political donations to a total that goes way over the legal personal limit).

Get the idiot out of the limelight.
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I agree -- yes, one can get nervous, but to leave unchallenged the questioner's unspoken claim that Israel is an "Apartheid State" is a real gaffe. It's also not a "simple" mistake one makes in the heat of the moment.

But the best reading of all this will be now. Now when DD looks over his answers, and in the calm light of day, will he write something somewhere about his regret for allowing this question to go so unopposed by him? Or, will he not mention it at all...?

I'd be the *first* person to accept an apology on his part that he didn't say all he could have given the things on his plate at the moment. But it's he who needs to at least say that.
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Eight days later, he's said nothing more about it. Only one of his adoring commenters has brought it up and linked to this post and there's been no reply from Mr. D'Souza.

http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/video-dsouza-vs-ayers-dartmouth/

Looks like he meant it exactly the way Mr. Levine interpreted it.
44 weeks ago
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Was D'Souza raised in the type of suburb where more left-leaning non-Israeli infused Jews were the pre-eminent overclass? Could just be a residual effect of upper-crust suburb "gang-fighting". In Skokie, IL there's an annual Jews v. Hindus football game every Thanksgiving. Whats even sadder is that the Indian community here is poised to supplant the Jewish community as the easily duped ATM of Democratic politics.

How D'Souza worded his comment also echos the Indian nation's view of WWII Japan - yes, bad people, but they helped keep China in check and were enough of a threat to Great Britain.
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Did he make an mistake "debating" a anarchist scum? Yes.

Did Dinesh D'Souza go "all in" in the 2012 Presidential Election? Yes.

Did You?
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As a South Africa who grew up under apartheid and for ten years bluntly and publicly spoke out against the government of that time, I regard Bill Ayers comment about Israel being an apartheid state both ignorant and selective. Israel doesn't have a Group Areas Act, separate legislatures, segregated public washrooms, post office entrance, buses, train carriages, etc. Why, if truly honest and objective, did Ayers and the student who asked the question about America supporting an "apartheid state" not rather discuss and condemn America's relations with and support for states that have the most vicious form of apartheid-like system in the world today, not Israel but Islamic states with their brutal and murderous system against non-Muslims, where Christians in particular are with astounding regulatory being murdered, even crucified and decapitated. Why so? Simply because they are not Muslims and for that reason exist in a condition of third class dhimmitude, where they can only hold lower status jobs, where their businesses and homes have been burned down, and the Qur'an says this is the way it should be for those who don't believe in Muhammad and Allah.
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I was disappointed with D'Souza's response about Israel in the debate. It was a glaring error and he needs to talk to Dennis Prager.
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Like many Progressives (aka Marxists), Bill Ayers is a bully and a very clever liar. D'Souza is not a strong enough debater to have handled him as well as I would have liked to have seen. One of his weaknesses was in allowing Ayers to interrupt and redirect his comments. It would have been interesting to see Bill Buckley slice and dice him. With regard to Israel, it's telling that no one mentioned how Islam and the Qur'an treat non-Muslims.
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Jed, you are right about Bill Ayers and about even D'Souza so poorly handling the question of Israeli apartheid. As I said above, the most vicious form of apartheid in the world today exists in Islamic states where today Christians - according to even the U.N. - are the most persecuted people on earth. What an irony that Muslims should have latched onto the emotive 'apartheid' accusation when it is them and their countries that are today the worst perpetrators of an apartheid-like system. The Qur'an is central to the teaching of a vicious apartheid system for both non-Muslims and females. This Muslim apartheid accusation of Israel needs to be turned around and shoved down their hypocritical, supremacist throats.
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BRAAAAVO !

This was so depressing to me. Here is Israel surrounded by countries which force their women to walk around in black tents, and won't let Jews walk around at all, and these @$$#o!$ want to talk about apartheid?

And D'Souzsa is clueless? SHAME !
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Totally on, they are dishonest, devious and warped - and D'Souza is clueless. Israel is surrounded by a sea of Islamic oppression with non-Muslims treated shamefully due to a bigotted, racist and fascist Islamic system. I haven't yet worked out how a Marxists is treated with an ounce of respect or extended an ounce of credibility. They are part of a murderous legacy. Marxist Bolsheviks between 1917 and Lenin's death in 1924 murdered more than 19 million Russians - most shot in the back of the head. And then Stalin and his Marxist successors murdered scores of millions more. Yet a Marxist is treated as if worthy of being given a hearing. Values have gone to hell.
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(let me prequalify this with) IF the article accurately reports D'Souza's response ... I find it rather strange that such a noted scholar and speaker would seemingly not have anticipated that there would be a libtarded question like that from a college audience. His rambling, bumbling answer was rather pathetic.
If this was his response AFTER he anticipated it, this serves as a lesson to all that we REALLY need to stop apologizing or prequalifying our positions in responses. Do you EVER hear a demoncrapt apologize for slavery, or all the racist laws (hell no ... they now assert that these were republicans, and when you call them on it, they yank this "party switch" crap out of their butts)? Do you EVER hear a progressive / communist prequalify their statements apologizing for the top mass murderers in human history (all socialists / communists)? Conservatives have NOTHING to apologize for, NOTHING ... and I am sick and tired of these French / RINOs constantly apologizing for our positions ... let THEM apologize for millions of dead souls, let THEM apologize for multiple generations of no-hope welfare whores, let THEM apologize for decades of race hatred / race baiting / slavery, let THEM apologize for the Sanger's promoting "self-inflicted" genocide, let THEM apologize for LA, Detroit, Chicago, New York (pre-Giuliani), New Orleans ... being virtual warzones, etc etc etc.
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Very disappointed in Dinesh. I did not watch because Ayers is nothing but a creep, I'd prefer it if he was never heard from again. You cannot debate liars and prevaricators because there is no debate, Its merely a presentation of facts by the Conservative and a refusal to accept those facts by the Leftists. That's what they do.
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No surprise here: most of the US is clueless about anti-Semitism and its link to ignorance about the most basic facts on the history of Israel. See http://clarespark.com/2012/09/29/index-to-blogs-on-antisemitism/.
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