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December 10, 2013 - 12:00 pm
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1. Imagine a country today where more than one third of the men admit to rape….

More than one in three South African men questioned in a survey admitted to rape, the latest evidence in the country of a violent culture of patriarchy.

Researchers found that more than three in four men said they had perpetrated violence against women.

Nearly nine in 10 men believe that a woman should obey her husband – and almost six in 10 women also agreed with the statement.

South Africa has one of the highest rates of rape in the world. Last year a survey by the Medical Research Council (MRC) found that 28% of men in Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal provinces said they had raped a woman or girl.

A new MRC study in Gauteng, the country’s wealthiest province, found that 37.4% of men admitted having committed a rape, while 25.3% of women said they had been raped.

2. Imagine a world today that celebrates when this country’s most famous leader dies at the age of 95, and the president equates him with Abraham Lincoln and America’s founding fathers….

“Like Gandhi, he would lead a resistance movement, a movement that at its start had little prospect for success,” Obama said. “Like Dr. King, he would give potent voice to the claims of the oppressed and the moral necessity of racial justice.”

Obama commented that Mandela was imprisoned from the time John F. Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev were the leaders of the United States and Soviet Union until the end of the Cold War.

“Emerging from prison, without the force of arms, he would—like Abraham Lincoln—hold his country together when it threatened to break apart,” Obama said. “And like America’s founding fathers, he would erect a constitutional order to preserve freedom for future generations—a commitment to democracy and rule of law ratified not only by his election, but by his willingness to step down from power after only one term.”

3. Imagine that the movement founded by William F. Buckley Jr., Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan is somehow today led by men like Newt Gingrich who sing the same adulations, putting South Africa’s leader at the same level with George Washington:

“Everybody says they love freedom,” said an incredulous Gingrich, comparing Mandela to America’s founding fathers during an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

He said the South African anti-apartheid revolutionary deserved acclaim from “everybody who is proud of the farmers at Lexington and Concord who stood up to the British army, everybody who is grateful to George Washington for eight years in the field fighting the British Empire.”

After Mandela died Thursday, Gingrich posted a statement that lauded him as “one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime.”

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What is the first lady thinking? Likely dreaming of following Winnie Mandela's penchant for necklacing her opponents and detractors.
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South Africa has a rape culture. That tells us all we need to know about the people of that country.
37 weeks ago
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Interesting. "A new MRC study in Gauteng, the country’s wealthiest province, found that 37.4% of men admitted having committed a rape, while 25.3% of women said they had been raped."
So, does that mean 12.1 percent of the women were not sure they were raped? Or does that mean the missing 12.1 percent of the women raped were actually women raped twice or more by the same 37.4 percent of the men admitting to having raped while only 25.3 percent of the women reported being raped? Or, were 12.1 percent of the missing rape victims men instead of women? Do patriarchal societies normally rape males when females are available? Or, maybe there is just a lot more women then men in the province or the survey questions sucked (the men wouldn't report being raped) or the male rapists are more mobile than females and were raping outside of their province? Of course, maybe the missing 12.1 percent of the victims didn't define their experience as rape? And if that's the wealthiest province, it looks like the less wealthy province had fewer self reporting rapists at 28 percent. The more wealth the more rapes?
37 weeks ago
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There is no reason why the two statistics should match or correlate. But you know that right?
37 weeks ago
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Swindle farts in church again. He simply cites Newt Gingrich as if that alone is enough to refute Gingrich's point without actually engaging the man's argument. Lazy and stupid.

And enough with the annoying and lazy scans of book pages in lieu of simply quoting a passage in question. By the time you scan the page, upload the image, etc., you could have simply typed the relevant words. It's especially annoying when trying to read on an iPhone.
37 weeks ago
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If Nelson Mandela is among your saints then I am all too happy to desecrate your temple.

I regarded Gingrich's point as self-refuting. He has the identical position as Barack Obama.

I use Instagram for my images of book excerpts and it's much faster than typing up whole paragraphs.
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No, I don't consider Mandela a "saint." I consider him a flawed man who nevertheless did a great thing. I point again to Zimbabwe under Mugabe as the direction South Africa would have gone if the things you say about Mandela were true.

And because Gingrich holds the same position on a topic as Obama somehow makes it self-refuting? Huh? How does that work? Respond to Gingrich's point: what would you have done if your initial peaceful protests had no effect on such an evil political system? Our Founding Fathers started a war for less.

And the Instagram photos of book pages are still unreadable on all but the largest computer screens, so what's the point?
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"what would you have done if your initial peaceful protests had no effect on such an evil political system?"

The point you're not getting: Mandela was wanting to replace one evil political system with another. And he did. And the country today where a third of the men are rapists is NOTHING TO CELEBRATE. So he avoided being a Mugabe. That's like getting a D- instead of an F. But the world celebrates it as though it were an A+. Meanwhile current South Africa is a crime-ridden hellhole and what are you doing with your time? Arguing against me, the person raising awareness about it, instead of actually doing something about it.

"Our Founding Fathers started a war for less."
No, they did not. It is offensive to try and make these 2 situations comparable. Trying to draw comparisons between America's founding era 2 centuries ago and Nelson's Mandela's life is a silly, meaningless exercise. Just because an argument is presented it does not mean that I have to respect it and try and engage in it. I can also choose to ridicule it. When the Emperor has no clothes you don't engage in a debate with him about how he has no clothes. You just laugh at him and make jokes about him until others stop being hypnotized by their fear for him and realize the absurdity.

"And the Instagram photos of book pages are still unreadable on all but the largest computer screens, so what's the point?"
I don't know what the heck you're talking about or where you get your iPhone or if you just have bad eye sight. I have an iPhone and an iPad too. I can read the text in the instagram photo just fine and I have NEVER had anyone complain about not being able to read the text in the photo excerpts that I upload.
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The problem with your argument is that you seem to believe Mandela, or someone in a position like his, could have chosen "liberal democracy" instead and simply created one, without any difficulties at all. I've said elsewhere: who was opposing colonial regimes in the early '60s? The Europeans were mostly trying to keep their own, so they weren't going to be any help, and the Asians were still recovering from World War II. That leaves us, in the middle of our Civil Rights period and gearing up for the war in Viet Nam, which most 3rd world types see as an extension of the colonial wars, and the Soviets. Your argument is that it would have been better for Mandela to accept the existence of Apartheid indefinitely, rather than oppose it with the assistance of the Communists. That's a pretty easy call to make from Sherman Oaks...much harder when it's actually happening to you.

As to the American Revolution and its causes, and whether they are analogous to the struggle against Apartheid, you're right that 2 situations are never completely comparable, but he's also right that the causes of the American Revolution were much less grave than those of the struggle against Apartheid. You didn't really answer his question because you have decided it's too silly...what, you think the right doesn't have a Bill Maher, so you've decided to apply for the position?

As to Instagram photos, I don't really care about it. I read through the page above, to see if Mandela was mentioned; he wasn't as far as I could see, so the quotation isn't germane to the issue in a direct way.
37 weeks ago
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Thanks for clearing up that the U.S.A. had had an 'evil political system' until ~ 1945.
Apartheid exists in every country everywhere ,anytime; seldom open + direct; mostly hidden + indirect or in inverse form as in 'affirmative action' : the most shameless , hypocritical and 'evil political system' of all.

It saddens one to observe the slow downward spiral of the once great country U.S.A.
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What is the first lady thinking? Likely dreaming of following Winnie Mandela's penchant for necklacing her opponents and detractors.
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