Interview: James Delingpole on The Little Green Book of Eco-Fascism

MR. DELINGPOLE:  Friendly lawsuits. There's this sort of cozy relationship between the Environmental Protection Agency, for example, and all the environmentalists NGOs like Greenpeace, WWF, you name them, they're all part of the same problem.  And a lot of the employees at the Environmental Protection Agency are essentially green activists who have just become part of the government's machinery.  And so what they do is they play Mr. Nasty and Mr. Nice when they're trying to, for example, close down the coal industry, which is one of their favorite hobbies.  Greenpeace will threaten to sue the EPA ‑‑ I think I've got this right, haven't I? Greenpeace, or someone similar, is going to sue the EPA for not discharging its environmental duties towards such-and-such an industry.  And the EPA, which, of course, is secretly expecting this legal threat, will then say, oh, we must take action.  We can't help doing this because we've been threatened with this legal action; therefore, you must do this.  So they work in tandem.

MR. DRISCOLL:  There’s another term you use in The Little Green Book of Eco-Fascism  called “The Drawbridge Effect,” which helps to explain why so many of the wealthy support radical environmentalism. I was going to say in spite of how it impacts the poor with higher prices, but the drawbridge effect helps to explains why the elite view this as a feature, not a bug.

MR. DELINGPOLE:  I'm not a scientist and actually given what I've seen of scientists in my experiences following the global warming scam, I'm glad I'm not a scientist because a lot of these guys are basically shysters and crooks.  They're not some kind of white-coated elite with a special hotline to the truth.  In fact, they're just ordinary guys and girls trying to earn a living like the rest of us but slightly more dodgily than the rest of us in the one or two egregious cases.

But one of my missions has been not to find out all the obscure scientific detail, which I leave to the scientists, because I don't think it's my job, but what does interest me is a kind of analyst of the culture is asking the question: Okay, so if there is this massive environmentalist scam going on in the world right now ‑‑ and there is, let me tell you ‑‑ if there is a massive environmentalist scam, why do so many people fall for it?  Why is the government involved?  Why are the learned scientific institutions involved?  Why are the schoolteachers involved?  Why does Hollywood believe all this stuff?  Why do people like Robert Redford and [Ted] Turner believe all this stuff?  Why does Goldman Sachs get involved in this stuff?  Why do all the big American charitable foundations fund this stuff?  And there are lots of explanations for this but basically it comes down to money and it basically comes down to how you view the world.

I think the world divides ‑‑ Gilbert and Sullivan famously said that everyone ‑‑ every girl and boy ‑‑ "every girl and boy that is born alive is either a little liberal or else a little conservat-ive," which is to say that some people believe in small government and free markets and other people believe in regulation and control, control by the state, control by an elect few rather than, as I believe, letting the market decide.

There's a lot of hypocrisy on the left, particularly people who have made their money on the left.  They made their money and they espouse all these left-wing causes but at the same time they really don't want to share their money with the little people.

I mean you look at Ted Turner.  Ted Turner wants to live in a world where he can buy up whole swathes of America ‑‑ of American countryside ‑‑ and then simply shut them down forever so that nobody else has access to them except privileged members of the Ted Turner family.  And it's what I call "the drawbridge effect."  It's the rich, once they've made their money, tend to try and stop anyone else having what they have.

It's always puzzled me why so many of the great American industrialists and bankers and so on, why it is that their descendants tend to end up not in industry, not in free markets, not in capitalism, but actually try to destroy the capitalist system.