Communists, BAMN, and ¡¡CHEMTRAILS!!
The obsession with bête noire Fox News continues unabated.
An spectrum is haunting the United States: the OCCUPY MOVEMENT.
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
After I left, former U.S. Labor Secretary and current U.C. professor Robert Reich came out and riled up the crowd with a rousing anti-capitalist diatribe.
Afterward, as planned, the Occupiers once again set up some tents in defiance of the University’s anti-camping rules, hoping to initiate another conflict with the police. Which I’m sure is happening as I type. Stay tuned.
UPDATE:
Here’s the full speech from Robert Reich from later in the evening:
UPDATE II:
A follow-up article in the S.F. Chronicle says that the Occupiers only put up 10 tents.
Having a protest in a place and then going home afterward does not count as “occupying” it. If you leave afterward, then it’s just another protest, to which you have affixed a grandiose name. Ten tents for 2,000 “occupiers”?
I guess they had to call it an “occupation,” otherwise everyone would have rightfully called it “just another random day at Cal with yet another random protest, like every other day.”
UPDATE III:
For those curious about the on-campus shooting that happened at the same time as this march and rally: I didn’t mention it because from initial reports it seemed to be a completely unconnected incident. Turns out I was right. A new student at the business school for some reason went berserk and brought a gun to the computer lab; when police showed up, he acted threateningly and waved the gun with several innocent people around, so the cops shot him; he later died in the hospital. The incident seems to be completely apolitical, so it was not included in the report, despite the freakish coincidence of it happening at the exact same moment as a major protest nearby. Must be quite a stressful time to be a U.C. police officer.
UPDATE IV:
As predicted:
Police clear Occupy Cal encampment at 3:30am
Police in riot gear surprised campers with an early morning raid on the Occupy Cal encampment in Sproul Plaza today, arresting two protesters and removing about 20 tents.
Police surrounded the 40 or so campers at 3:30 a.m. in front of Sproul Hall, UC Berkeley’s main administration building, and gave them 10 minutes to grab their gear and go. All but two did.
Someone please photoshop the Cleaver poster and replace Eldridge with Jerry Mathers.
It would make as much sense…and sense we much.
I’m thinking a better photo would be Alfred E. Newman.
I wonder if any of them realize that Cleaver eventually became a Republican?
Yup. He ran for U. S. Senate as a Republican in 1986. I voted for him in the Republican primary.
From yesterday’s Chronicle of Higher Education:
November 16, 2011
Protesters Plan a National ‘Student-Debt Refusal’ Campaign
By Eric Hoover
Occupy Wall Street protesters are poised to announce a national “student-debt refusal” campaign that would begin next week, says a prominent scholar within the movement.
On Wednesday night, Andrew Ross, a professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University, said members of an Occupy Wall Street working group were finalizing drafts of three “pledges” related to student debt, including a debtors’ pledge, whose signers would refuse to make payments on their loans after one million signatures have been collected.
The other pledges are one for faculty members who support those who refuse to pay, and another for nondebtors, including parents and sympathizers, who also want to show their support.
The pledges, Mr. Ross said, are to be based on four beliefs: that student loans should be interest-free; that tuition at all public institutions should be federally funded; that private and for-profit colleges should open their financial records to the public; and that students’ “debt burden” should be written off.
Mr. Ross, an expert in academic-labor issues, is a member of Occupy Wall Street’s Education and Empowerment working group. On Wednesday, he described how his personal interest in student-debt issues had developed.
“Like many faculty, I see a lot of suffering and humiliation among students in taking on this debt,” Mr. Ross said. “There was the recognition that my own salary is debt-financed. … There’s an element of complicity. It’s an incredible burden for faculty to bear.”
The campaign is scheduled to begin with an event at Zuccotti Park, in New York, on Monday afternoon, followed by a protest at the City University of New York’s Baruch College.
The hubris is mind-boggling.
To summarize the professor’s position:
“Gee, it just dawned on me that we professors are so wildly overpaid, that schools must charge high tuitions to pay my salary; as a result, students go into debt — so I can get rich! The solution? Hmmm, it eludes me at the moment…what’s that you say, maybe I shouldn’t be so overpaid at the students’ expense? No, that wasn’t what I was thinking, it was something else…Ah ha! That’s it! Let’s get the TAXPAYERS to pay my high salary, not the students! That’s the ticket! Guilt assuaged. Ahhhhhh.”
Aloha Zombie!
This is my first time commenting, but I always love your work. Anyway I just wanted to let you know that the “money in the banana stand” sign refers to the cancelled TV show Arrested Development (which the protesters also have a curious case of).
The rich patriarch of the family gets arrested for some white collar crime (it’s been a while), but he tells his kids that there’s always money in the family banana stand. The main character takes this to mean that if they work hard, there’ll be money in that business. You find out later that the father has physically hidden money in the stand.
Anyway, that was just an FYI ’cause it seemed like you might’ve been confused by that one. Keep up the good work!
-Reed the Viking
Thanks. I don’t watch TV, so that went right over my head. I’ll update the caption.
Che Guevara, intelligence officer… He earned his pension, now some people want to take that away.
It’s probably unrelated but from the SF Chron today:
“More than 363,000 Californians moved to Texas over the past five years.
California has sent more new residents to Texas than any other state in recent years.”
Tough luck for Texas if they’re Boxer/Pelosi voters..
Pass the word in California. Texas is a raaaaacist, raaaaacist state where they will take away your bong, force you to eat non-organic food, shoot first and call 911 later if you knock on a door unannounced, hate reverse racism, er, affirmative action, and train dogs to attack people in smelly Birkenstocks. STAY AWAY!!!!
/sarcasm tag needed? But seriously, newcomers should realie that if they turn Texas into California they’ll have to find another state to move to after they’re done bollixing up ours..
You clearly haven’t visited Austin in the past 20 years. The liberals have already taken over, Austin and UT have more in common with the Occupy-Clowns in Oakland and at Berkley than they do with the rest of Texas.
True enough, I spent a lot of time in Austin during the second half of the 1990ties. However, university towns are notoriously left wing, whether the state is conservative or not.
Lots of Californians have also moved to Colorado and Oregon, where they promote the same policies whose results drove them out of California in the first place.
Texans are a hardy, fiercely independent bunch. God bless ‘em. They’re going to need to be when those 363,000 newcomers set about Californacating Texas, like their counterparts have already done to Colorado and are trying to do to Idaho.
We are hoping to “corrupt” those Californians, who move here, to be more in tune with our views. Heck, maybe we can even get them to buy a gun and carry it. But if they try to turn Texas into California……grrrrrr. Austin is a college town, and what college town ISN’T blue through and through. We are applying to the feds for money to not only build a fence along the Rio Grande, but also completely around Austin.
I like to think that the type of Californian who moves to Texas is one truly see’s the hypocrisy of what is happening on the left coast.
I think those idiots in Zombie’s pictures need to be socially engineered a little bit. Police need to “push back” against these occupiers just enough to make them dig in at the UC Berkeley campus. We want them to set up tents and fight to keep it because they are too stupid to realize that people like us don’t really care if these liberal retards hold a circle-jerk on their own territory.
The more they think we are trying to get them off of the campus, the better for everyone else.
Unfortunately this doesn’t bode well for Texas politics. Look what happened to the state of Oregon, when back during the seventies, all these Californian drop outs moved up there. It used to be a reasonably conservative state, look at it today. Same happened when NYorkers, Bostonians and others of that ilk along the East Coast decided to buy property in New Hampshire and Vermont. Our conservative family members who have lived there about 50 years feel like outcasts. Then there is Arizona which is being invaded by Californian old hippies looking for inexpensive housing.
And I can tell you we are sick of most of them.
“There’s always money in the banana stand” is from the tv show “Arrested Development”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Banana_%28Arrested_Development%29
Don’t know what it has to do with protesting, besides being sort of funny. Maybe they can use the other catch phrase from the show.
“I’ve made a huge mistake.”
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3786003/ive-made-a-huge-mistake
I’ve updated the caption already.
Wow – That takes me back. Now I’m getting really bad flashbacks to the same self-centered, self-absorbed and unbearably smug scenes of the late 1960′s. In the immortal words of Mr. Eugene Krabbs from “SpongeBob Squarepants” – “I’ve never felt such a strange combination of pity and indigestion.”
Once again we have to ask – “If radicals are supposed to be occupying Berkeley how would you know?”
The “money in the banana stand” sign with the Arabic sign tranlated to say “The people want the system (I assume the government) to crash”
Thanks. Updated the caption again.
Having lived through the dysfunctional 60s and 70s, I can say that I don’t look back on that era with fondness. And neither would these overprivileged, wispy little wannabes if they had actually been there.
Zombie. Might the “I was in Tokyo” be some kind of sarcastic reference to someone else’s whereabouts?
Could be. But I remain mystified.
It refers to the night last week when cops broke up an occupy encampment on campus. Some students claimed to have suffered broken ribs. The feckless chancellor of the university, Robert Birgeneau, initially blamed the protesters (correctly) for instigating these events, but when he saw video of it he changed his tune and released a second statement critical of the police. His lame claim for the turn-about was that he was traveling in Tokyo when events unfolded, so he didn’t have all the facts available when he made his initial statement.
They’re anti-capitalist, yet they all want the capitalists’ money.
Oh, and nice to see a “The Struggle for Palestine” book. Have to keep an out to see if anti-Semitism raises it’s ugly head.
“They’re anti-capitalist, yet they all want the capitalists’ money.”
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Clearly, you don’t understand that they only want the capitalists’ money BACK. It belonged to the protesters originally but it was taken from them by the evil capitalists via devious tricks. Or so I’m sure the protesters would insist….
Yes, true. The devious trick is called “taxation.” The govt takes our money through onerous taxation, then funnels it via backroom deals to favored recipients. Whether you call it “crony capitalism” or “socialism” doesn’t matter – it’s all the same.
The solution is not to demand that YOU get more of the expropriated money (as the OWSers want), but rather to starve the beast, and end big govenrment entitlement and bailouts altogether by lowering tax rates (the Tea Party solution).
The progressives were “moderate conservatives” who used anticapitalist rhetoric to woo the working class away from another French Revolution or after 1917, another Bolshevik episode. They are populists, pure and simple, and it is scandalous that the overt antisemitism is not being more widely reported. I wrote about the eruption when it first started here: http://clarespark.com/2011/10/10/populist-catharsis-on-wall-street/. Now that the Leninists have thoroughly infiltrated, they want as much chaos as possible. Such mob actions should be identified and suppressed, but we are weakly led now, and they have the support of the Democratic Party, itself riddled with populism.
Or maybe it is just the counter-culture again, kicking up its nasty heels. See http://clarespark.com/2011/11/17/blood-meridian-and-the-deep-ecologists/.
The occupy movement is calculated chaos and those that believe it will blow over are quite naive. I ask why isn’t Homeland Security and/or the FBI taking steps to halt the chaos, and I believe I know the answer: the administration ordered no interference while it is waiting and hoping that it will get so bad that it will have to suspend all rights of we the people. The media certainly is panting like dogs with their tongues hanging out, hoping for serious confrontations. If it weren’t so serious, it would be laughable watching the various reporters on the scene, so excited over someone tripping over another.
Zombie take a look at the last picture, the guys shirt says “Timberland registered trademark”, Love the irony, and what Spectrum is he referring to?
Cheers, Bob
What he means is “A spectre.” Though why he thinks being a spectre is a good thing remains unknown.
The last sign in the article, the one about the “spectrum” is (presumably) a misquote/adaptation from the Communist Manifesto. See http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm. As you’ll see if you follow the link, the very first line of the preamble is: A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism.
The more things change, the more things stay the same….
It is likely based on a Karl Marx quote from The Communist Manifesto: “A spectre is haunting Europe…the spectre of communism.”
Or, they might be refrring to “A Spectre is Haunting Texas” a science fiction novel by Fritz Leiber, first published in 1968. It was not one of my favorites, as it had a pronounced anti-American theme and lacked any involvement by Fafhrud or the Grey Mouser [obscure fantasy novel reference].
“EM Spectrum” is a government mind-control tool among the Chemtrails groups. He could have misheard it.
Are we sure he didn’t mean “speculum”?
After seeing what goes on at these protests, it’s “speculum”…no doubt!
SPECULUM– an optometry school in Ancient Rome.
It is very difficult to watch mobs of one’s younger fellow-citizens acting up on behalf of dangerous causes that history over and over again has shown to be based merely on vain hopes and silly dreams. How many times must the world, but most especially our country, be subjected to this really crazy spectacle? The last time youth took to the barricades the results were the deaths and relocation of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese.
Our “gallant” young revolutionaries seem oblivious to learning anything from history in spite of their certified literacy. What a damned shame! What a mis-directed use of energy!
It could be worse! These dolts ARE my peers. My husband and I were class of 2009 and 2010 at a well known left leaning college. While we both work and generally live like real grownups our former classmates are…Occupying Wall Street.
On the bright side, my immigrant husband just announced he’ll be registering Republican when he’s naturalized.
Hang in there, Meg. My two children are your age; one just graduated from Texas Tech and the other is at Emory. My daughter (Emory) is always off the rails with one social justice concern or another, and is struggling emotionally while her father pays her way financially as a result. My son was a druggie and dropout in high school, and saw how difficult it was to just pay rent and eat. I didn’t let him starve, but I didn’t enable his self-imposed hell, either. He enrolled in Tech, got a full time job and graduated in 4 years with a 5 year engineering degree. Congratulations on your graduations, and on your husband becoming a citizen in the future.
Funny about Emory… I had a perfectly normal daughter (who worked her way through under graduate school and most of Emory Law… come out a real progressive wierdo? Parents: well we both worked and paid our bills on time and insisted that she brush her teeth, etc.. What gives about Emory Law?
Zombie have you ever thought of ‘coming out’ so we know who you are? You’ve been behind the curtain for over a decade now and you deserve to be recognized.
I recall years ago you were worried you’d be outed at the protests but I think that can be managed or solved. Risk vs. rewardwise, I think it harms you more not to be appreciated for your work. It would be a loss to us all, not just you.
At least think about it.
I’ve thought about it. And the answer remains: I’m staying behind the curtain. There are very good reasons for this, most of which will themselves forever stay behind the curtain. Sorry.
The goal of zombietime is and always has been to help develop a new model for citizen journalism, in which the focus should be on the MESSAGE, not the MESSENGER. I want no fame nor glory. I exist only to add facts to the national discussion. The facts needs to be self-supporting and self-evident, and not rely on trust or reputation (which is how the MSM generally works). By inserting my personhood into the equation, I undermine my overall goal, which is to make news-dissemination less a cult of personality (think Walter Cronkite) and more a cult of verifiable factuality.
Sad news but I respect your unnamed personal reasons.
Regarding your model for citizen journalism, I question your assertion that associating the journalist’s true name with the story affects the journalism. A pseudonym would be just as suspect, no?
Since this is the goal of zombietime, I will just have to continue to enjoy your work and hope that you are benefiting more from anonimosity than otherwise.
I just mean that as a journalist or media outlet gets “well-known,” they tend to start relying on their reputation, rather than presenting the raw data to the reader. And once the readers then get lazy and trust the outlet without needing to see the underlying proof, then the possibility for manipulation and slant arises. I’m just trying to disrupt that model.
All the best superheros do their good work in costume and keep their identities secret anyways.
Zombie, you rock. Stay true. That is why we all love you.
You sound a bit like Andrew Breitbart though.
I bet the people carrying Eldridge Cleaver posters aren’t aware that when he returned from exile in the 1970s he temporarily became an Evangelical Christian, even conducting his own “Eldridge Cleaver Crusades.”
He subsequently became a Mormon in the 1980s, but apparently remained a conservative Republican for the last 20 or so years of his life.
So do these “Occupiers” plan to follow his example?
Just wonderin’ !
Fascinating point Wallabee. Perhaps he was emulating famous Republican Martin Luther King Jr.?
I wonder if those stupid kids get extra credit for wasting their parents’ money by making fools of themselves this way. I’m sure the parents are saying, “I gave up my retirement home by the beach just to send my kids to this?” Makes you wonder whether or not college is worth it, doesn’t it?
Those at U get extra credits for attending teachable moments. (Or is that movements?)
The more I read about the “Education Bubble”, and the more of this sort of thing I see going on at so-called “Institutions of Higher Learning”, the happier I am with my (very intelligent) high school senior’s decision to enter the USMC’s Delayed Entry Program. He could do the ROTC thing, but he’s not truly ready for college. I’m glad he knows what he wants to do instead of “finding himself”. He says he’s looking forward to boot camp.
Now if only we could get him to clean his room….
Don’t worry, after boot camp your son will be something of a neat freak. Semper Fi!
Whoever did the Fox News sign at least got the German World War II Tiger I tank right, hee hee. Maybe they actually learned something at Berkeley.
The Generation Y and Millenials are so pathetic they just copycat what their sell out Boomer parents claimed they did back in the 1960s.
YAWN.
Wannabe hippies are boring.
Haven’t spotted any anti-semitic/Israel signs in this marxist enclave. After all what’s a leftist parade without a sign comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. They should have at least waved some Palestinian flags with pride and live up to their “reputation” as mindless degenerates.
There were in fact some anti-Israel signs, but they weren’t very interesting, so fell on the cutting room floor. Can’t have every kind of sign in every report.
I disagree with a few things. Robert Reich is hardly an “anti-capitalist”. If you keep this up, before long you’ll describing everyone left of Pat Buchanan as a communist.
Also the Octo-py-cal octopus was cute. I’m a sucker for cartoon characters on signs.
Did you hear his speech? Seemed pretty radical to me. Anything that can get Occupy Oakland cheering is not going to be moderate or pro-capitalist.
And yes, it was a cute octopus, but the pun it was based on was devoid of significant entendre.
I just heard a little bit of it on the radio. He was talking about one of the worst supreme court decisions in years with the slogan “I’ll believe that corporations are human beings when Texas and Alabama execute some”.
That decision, along with the “money is speech” debacle entrenched a hell of a lot of corruption into our political system by insuring that our government will forever be for sale to businesses.
Note Steven Colbert’s discovery that politicians (or any other political player) can now (with a few legal tricks) take unlimited donations, not report them and pocket the money.
If you find opposition to this “radical” then you’re losing your mind.
I’m not opposed to fixing campaign corruption. But Reich goes far beyond that.
Now he’s bashing the Koch brothers, and failing to mention Soros or any other leftist donors. Partisan.
Listening to the whole thing in the background as I work, and he gleefully stirs up class resentment and favors wealth redistribution.
As I said, I am listening.
He used the Koch brother’s to illustrate his 2 points, one that may alarm you and one that you will agree with. But he did use them for the points not to attack them personally.
The point that may alarm you was that he said the economy has doubled in size over some recent years but that the benefit has gone to the top not to the mass of the citizens, and that the problem with this is that this means that political power is also being redistributed to the top.
The point you already agreed with, is that he said that the Koch brothers illustrate the problem with the current situation where there is no limit on how funds can be used in politics.
So point 1 was that if the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer* and this makes the wealthy more politically powerful. Point 2 was that all controls on political spending have now disappeared, as Steven Colbert has illustrated.
*and most people have gotten poorer, by the way. Broken down by race, the average white person lost 1/3 of his wealth in the downturn, the average hispanic 3/4 of his wealth and the average black person 85% of his or her wealth – I’m sorry those are by race, I don’t control how statistics are gathered but one can assume that the average hispanic or black person is lower class than the average white.
I listened to the whole speech.
He made few other points. He decry people who claim that we can’t afford education and the equal opportunity that education brings, and those who decry social services for the poor. He thanked the OWS crowd, saying that they will save the country from going in the wrong direction.
He ended by talking about a friend of his who was tortured and killed for being in the anti-segregation movement in the south then reiterated that the crowd understands that the problem is “the wealth and the power and the political potential for corruption that all that represents” and that this “allows the bullies to (such as the racists who killed his friend) to be in charge”.
You might not find much sense in that, I doubt you see racists and republicans as being similar bullies. And I doubt you’re comfortable with saying that the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer is a threat to democracy.
I don’t think he’s radical. I don’t think he’s wrong, but I doubt we agree.
This is, for him, a pretty silly speech. He has said much deeper things. He has stood up for much more important political causes. And for that I respect him more than anyone else I can think of in politics. I will still listen to his talks on Market Place all the way through whenever he’s on.
I am neither for nor against OWS.
And if you’re gonna go on about Soros vs the Koch bros, remember the Koch bro’s funding egregious voter fraud in Wisconsin (also the group that was guilty of that had Herman Cain on staff). The absentee ballots with the wrong address on them (as well as the wrong date) – the date was there to distract the news from reporting that the address was wrong. It was no mistake.
Can you name those other people engaging in voter fraud?
And what was the issue in that election? It was the destruction of public unions. Sigh.
Also as for bullies and redistribution of wealth.
In my opinion, my problem with politics now, is that at the precise moment that the poor have lost everything (as I illustrated with my example that blacks have lost 85% of their wealth in the recession), at that very moment, the Republicans want to redistribute the burden taxes sharply downward through flat taxes. At the same time the rich have doubled their wealth (according to Reich) and the poor have lost most of their wealth – when the part of the economy that depends on regular folks is dying because regular folks have lost so much, that’s when we want to make the system harsher and kill the economy for the poor even more.
Let me guess – he’s part of the “99%”. Yeah.
Josh, “economic inequality” isn’t the real problem. The real problem would be the “solution” to it, which necessarily would entail compulsion and repression, and hurting some to help others.
You’re showing your hand here by falling for all these sob stories. You are a hardcore liberal.
I listened to the whole speech video too, and Reich employs a purposeful economic untruth in order to spur resentment and anger. At one point he says (paraphrased), “In recent years, the economy has grown. But where did all that money go? To the top 1%!! The people at the bottom didn’t benefit at all.”
That’s a well-known economic fallacy that we must assume Reich knows of, and so thus he is being purposely disingenuous. When an entrepreneur creates wealth, the money naturally accrues to him. This creates “economic inequality” which liberals like you find so intolerable. Where did all that new money go? The entrepreneur took it! Unfair! But the only solution to stop this “unfairness” is to prevent him from accumulating it in the first place, or take it away from him after he gets it.
But if you prevent him from creating it in the first place, instead of having one rich guy and nine poor guys, you’ll end up with ten poor guys. The new money won’t be redistributed: there simply wont be any new money. The pile to divide equally will be smaller.
And if you take it away from him, then the next entrepreneur will see what has just happened, and not even try. And once again you end up with less money overall, because no one is creating wealth.
This is THE argument of the last two centuries, dating back to Marx and Engels and Malthus and the rest. The socialist solution will leave everyone equal…in poverty. The capitalist solution will lead to unequal outcomes, but an overall greater wealth for everyone.
The only way we can assess which is the best way is to look at examples.
Socialist economies: North Korea, Cuba, Soviet Union, etc.
Capitalist economies: The United States, pre-EU Europe, Japan.
Being honest now: Where would you prefer to live?
He was secretary of labor, it was his job to know and care how the country is doing, and yes to know and care about “the 99%”
I was responding to Mylittleponytail.
BongoMan is under the misapprehension that Democrats are socialists and going off on some ridiculous abstract tangent.
Josh, you realize your ignorance is on vivid display here?
Reich’s job — if he took it seriously, rather than as an opportunity for graft, like the rest of his party — was to consider the 100%, not just this mythical 99%.
JS – “He used the Koch brother’s to illustrate his 2 points….”
Ye, right. To state that the comment was not politically motivated, only “to illustrate”, is to imply that we are stupid. And if you truly believe that, then you just regurgitate Democrat talking points. I wonder why liberals want to hide Soros?
Josh, Robert Reich makes Lenin look like Genghis Khan. And neither Zombie nor anyone here would find opposition to Colbert’s observation (not discovery) as radical… don’t know how you came up with that.
Ha ha!
I’m most of the way through the speech and the most radical thing he’s said was that UC Berkeley is the best school in the world
I found the speech. It’s pretty long. I’ve posted it as an update. Anyone who can sit through the whole thing report back here.
He comes out against corporate personhood.
Without some kind of corporate personhood, capitalism cannot exist. There can be no contracts or agreements between an individuals and a company. Everything collapses.
Being against corporate personhood feels all warm and fuzzy, but what that gets operationalized as is that rights to property and free speech then dont exist in business. These rights which flow from corporate personhood have limited the encroachment of govt in the economy. Getting rid of corporate personhood fully empowers the govt to centrally direct, regulate and command business.
You have utterly misconstrued what “corporate personhood” refers to.
You are utterly utterly wrong.
“Corporate personhood” refers to granting some of the same rights to incorporated entities that are granted to individuals. Yes, the apologists and those running interference for OWS will claim that their demand to “abolish corporate personhood” only refers to a few specific rights that they want amended — nothing more. But you see that’s just the cover story. As the slogan “abolish corporate personhood” — which appears universally at just about every single OWS protest — overtly states, the true agenda is to, in fact, abolish corporate personhood. And that entails removing ALL rights from corporations normally granted only to individual people. The framers of the OWS philosophy know this — it’s just another coded way to say “end capitalism,” which is a common enough slogan at these things anyway.
When corporations are stripped of all personhood, as OWS demands, then it will no longer be possible for a corporation to enter into a contract of any kind. Because contracts would apply to just the people signing them, and no one else. Under current laws, however, a person can sign as a representative of a larger entity, if that entity is assumed to have personhood. Without that mechanism, a group contract cannot exist.
As a result, you would not be able to (for example) have electrictity, gas or water delivered to your home because you will not be able to sign a contract limiting liability with the agencies that deliver it. Some private individual who works at the power company, for example, would have to assume complete financial liability for any potential problems (since the incorporated entity will no longer have any personhood). And since no individual would ever voluntarily assume that responsibility, no one would ever sign, and no contract would ever come into effect, and without a contract or agreement — no service, no product.
This same problem holds true for basically every aspect of modern existence. In order to have an operating system on your computer, for example, you need to click “OK” to a contract with either Microsoft or Apple or whoever to limit their liability in case somebody sues when their computer goes kablooey and important data is lost. But what if Microsoft or Apple or Adobe or whoever was not granted personhood? Then you could not sign a contract “with Microsoft,” you would instead have to enter into a contract with a single individual employee of Microsoft. And if he gets fired or quits or whatever — the contract is no longer valid.
Multiply this scenario a zillionfold for every single aspect of contemporary existence and you can see how quickly all commerce and all economic activity would instantly halt the minute corporate personhood was revoked. Banking could not exist. Loans could not exist, except between individuals. No mortgages. No anything. The entire economic structure would be wiped away (which of course is the goal).
(And that’s just one of the problems with ending corporate personhood, but it’s a good one to focus on to start.)
Ah, but I can hear OWS defenders and interference-runners already saying, “That’s not what we mean when we say ‘Abolish corporate personhood.’ We mean something else. What we mean is, uh, that, uh, corporations are BAD and they’re STEALING OUR MONEY and they shouldn’t be allowed to CONTRIBUTE TO CAMPAIGNS and stuff.” But like I said above, that’s the surface excuse. Underneath, is the heart of the matter — bringing the capitalist system to a halt. And this hidden agenda is not accidental or overlooked — it’s the whole purpose.
One final key point: By what mechanism does OWS intend to “abolish corporate personhood”? It has been established and confirmed by the Supreme Court as constitutional. Unless we are to abandon the rule of law in a Total Revolution, the only legitimate way is to wait patiently for 25 or 50 years for a case to reach the Supremes in which they overturn 200 years of precedent and end the concept of corporations in America. Alternately, we can amend the Constitution itself with a Constitutional amendment — a huge and time-consuming process that is almost certain to fail.
How else? Congress can’t overturn a Supreme Court ruling, nor can the President.
So when Robert Reich, and all the other OWS folks, call for an end to corporate personhood, I see the writing on the wall. The left loves to speak of “dog whistles,” messages said in public meant to deceive the unaware masses but which contain coded instructions for the cognoscenti. And I say “abolish corporate personhood” is the ultimate dog whistle to the far left.
It isn’t a dogwhistle. I’m sure no one on the far left has ever gone through the torturous reasoning you just did to enumerate the rights of corporations and imagine that abolishing their “personhood” would affect those.
Everyone remembers the egregious case when the phrase hit the newspapers, and that’s what this is about.
If you want to send a letter to the hopeless idiots on the far left and get them fantasizing about your fever dream of abolishing corporations, go for it.
But this is your silly projection. It’s a new idea.
Congratulations, you have invented a new form of anticapitalism, you should be so proud. The idea of abolishing corporations through misleading legislation is your baby. Who’s a cute little anticapitalist? You are!
You idiot, I am listening to the speech and he started out by naming “Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission” and it got a big boo!!! And he explained it THEN he made the slogan!! AND THEN EXPLAINED HOW IT FITS INTO THE CASE MORE
God damn, you said all that bullshit without listening to the speech!
The issue is the political rights and first amendment rights of a corporation, which is what the supreme court decision was about, NOT their ability to make contracts or anything else.
It was very very specifically about this case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission
No, if that were true, they would call for the reversal of the Citizens United case, and nothing more. But instead, consciously, purposefully, they generalize it. We’ve seen this strategy too many times to count — a specific detail is used to throw out the whole shebang.
5% of the naive protesters specifically call for the reversal of Citizens United, and nothing more. The rest of the OWSers scream for the “end of corporate personhood” in general, which cannot be made any clearer.
Bullshit. They remember that case (though not by name) just as I do. They remember the headlines, the columns, the aftermath, just like I do, and they know what people are talking about when they name the issue.
You are paranoid and completely wrong.
He starts the speech by specifically naming “Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission” and calling for it’s reversal.
If you ever want to “occupy” a womans heart of any other part of her anatomy I suggest you spend less time on the internet listening to Robert Reich speeches.
Robert Reich deconstruction will not win fair maidens heart.
You opend the door to ridcule when you called Zombie a liar.
This is tiresome and I’m sorry for continuing these short comments, but I won’t put up someone arguing by misrepresenting what I said.
I said Zombie was wrong but I did not call her a liar.
Why is “Corporate money” bad for elections, but union money taken by force (join the union, or no job for you Prole!) good for elections? Every arguement made against allowing direct political contributions/adds by corporations could be made against Unions as well. By your definitions, Unions are no more individuals than corporations are.
As an aside, the “1%” OWN the Obama administration lock, stock, and barrel! More campaign money from Wall St than any other candidate EVER! And from the looks of things, they got their money’s worth.
A little off topic but isn’t Robert Reich married to Christiane Amanpour? Reich in German means rich, and that he is, but that wouldn’t stop him from being a progressive. Guilt you know, they all truly believe if they preach anti capitalism they are absolving themselves from the sin of having too much money.
Reich is, and always has been, a commie midget. Freud would have a field day with his twisted psyche. It is all about unearned money begetting guilt. I work hard for every penny. I have no such guilt, and I resent all the Reichs of the world who think they ae entitled to the fruits of my labor before me.
That’s called slavery. We are now merely haggling over the price. You would never know there was an amendment thingy outlawing it. I’d like Mr. Reich to explain how this slavery differs from the old fashioned kind in any substantive way. That would be amusing.
For the record, to “Josh” is to cajole, in a lighthearted, usually false manner, and “Scholar” pretends expertise in a given subject. Since I don’t think anyone is really that dumb, perhaps we are being had. False Expert would be a good fit for Josh Scholar.
I’m wondering what would happen to these useless fools in a truly communist society?
At the people’s job center:
“I have a degree in transgendered puppetry studies”
“Well, we have several great career choices for you, either the salt mines, or ditch digging in Mississippi, or the people’s number one fertilizer collective.
The armed guards will escort to to the job of your choice, have a nice day.”
Good spot on the chemtrails sign, that’s one of favorite wacky conspiracy theories!
Also, it’s awfully hard for me to take anyone waving a Che flag/poster around seriously.
“We will bring the war to the imperialist enemies’ very home,” raved Che Guevara in his Message to the Tri-Continental Conference in 1966, “to his places of work and recreation. The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we’ll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred (against the U.S.) alive and fan it to paroxysm!”
And that is what the occupiers are doing, except that they probably don’t quite realize it yet. But those that fund them and lead them on do know it and in due time will act accordingly. There is no truer term than useful idiots.
While I’m sure UC Berkeley has many scholarship recipients (ie non-white, leftwing indoctrinees) most students’ parents are paying a hefty sum for them to attend that school. So even if these kids have fooled themselves into believing that they are not somehow the beneficiaries of capitalism with a capital ‘C’, how can they lump themselves in with the rest of the “99%” they keep talking about?
When they give up their current lifestyles and start living as my family and I do(on less than $60k annually), then maybe I’ll listen….
No. No I won’t. But at least they wouldn’t be hypocrites.
WASP parents pay, the diversity token admits are generally given a free ride.
You can say that again. The number of scholarships and fellowships and grants and overlapping financial aid packages available to minority students is mind-boggling, if you know how to tweak the system.
I know a guy with a couple fo million in the bank who has 2 kids at UC getting a free ride.
Last year during the similar unrest at UC at SF GATE interview with protesters one of them mentioned that he is NOT PAYING ANY TUITION, because his family income is less then 70,000 (or something like that). That was the one and only time I red about this. Does it mean that ~ half of students there are studying for free???
What they are protesting? I am still in shock…
Yes, I think that’s about true — the level of wealth that qualifies you as “economically needy” opening the door to big whopping piles of financial aid is pretty high these days. People in other parts of the country where there is a different economic scale would be shocked. I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head, but basically (depending on the number of kids in the family) any family income under something like $60,000/year means you count as “impoverished” and get aid, ranging from partial to total.
It’s even more amazing at Stanford, which is supposed to be this incredibly expensive private school with astronomical tuition rates…except that the university’s endowment is so massive, with countless dotcom millionaire and billionaire alumni donating to the Stanford general fund, that essentially any admitted students whose parents are slightly under the “fabulously wealthy” level get all expenses paid for free. The only people at Stanford who even pay the purported tuition are zillionaires, for whom it is pocket change. Essentially, it is now a free school, but advertises itself as an expensive one to scare away the riffraff.
Back in “my day” (not that long ago really, but it feels like an eon ago now), financial aid at the big university I attended was flimsy and insufficient. I didn’t even bother applying — not because I didn’t qualify (I did, easily), but because I oppose handouts on principle and felt it was my duty to pay my way through school, by hook or by crook. Which I did. The hard way.
My sympathy level for these spoiled brats is nil.
Well yes free to them but not to us. As California taxpayers we subsidize education in the UC and state college system. Many families send their children to private universities and colleges, but they still pay into the statewide system. That is why many of us become incensed at these students that strike at the drop of a hat, demonstrate, frequently vandalize property etc. If I had the power I would limit free education only to those who have the ambition and the brains to seek degrees in the hard sciences. No psychology, art history, women’s studies, ethnic studies, sociology, political sciene, communications etc. ad nauseum. These and more are worthless degrees and those that want to study them should have to pay the tuition themselves.
The “kill the cop in your heart” sign is a misquote of the original 60s “kill the cop in your head”. Amazing how much of this protest has been recycled from back then.
“Everybody’s hustlin’ just to have a little scene…”
–Donovan
That’s the real “back to the 60s” quote.
I love Donovan! Very innovative artist!
Not many people realize this, but on his “Gift From A FLower To A Garden” album, he wrote in the liner notes “I call upon all young people to stop taking drugs” (or something to that effect).
I was recently listening to his reissued live album from Anaheim in 1967. He introduces the song “Sand & Foam” by saying he was in Mexico, sitting on the beach and enjoying his day WITHOUT any drugs. …And the crowd applauds! It’s very spiffy.
Resist we much, resist we much, hey hey
Good job, Zombie. I hope your shots are up to date.
Dear zombie, the radical architect was an Ayn Rand hero! Though I somehow doubt the students would appreciate that reminder, much.
Loved this one.
There are three types of corporations in America. Those who are extorted and punished, those who benefit from government because of large contributions, and those who exercise their freedom and flee the country.
C’mon Josh, we’re all adults here, so I’ll treat you like an adult.
This is a public forum where everyone has their eyes open, not some situation where you’re trying to pull the wool over the eyes of an uninformed voter.
I’ve been to Zuccotti Park many times over the last two months and seen thousands of photos of rallies at other occupations. Aside from the vapid slogan “We are the 99%,” the #1 most common slogan is “End capitalism” or some variant like “Capitalism is OVER.” And the second most common slogan is “End Corporate Personhood.” And you know what? They’re usually displayed SIDE BY SIDE and sometimes BY THE SAME PERSON. That’s because they MEAN THE SAME THING. One is direct, and the message is aimed at fellow leftists. The other is indirect and is directed at mainstream Democrats. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this.
You’re reading subtleties and subtexts into messages that don’t exist.
When someone says “End corporate personhood,” we must assume that what they mean is “End corporate personhood.” Not some namby-pamby subset of that which is only even mentioned to reassure and deceive old ladies and unschooled union voters.
You say Zombie is “paranoid” for taking a sign at face value, an interpretation which is only reinforced by its context. But it is you who is repeating revisionist fantasies that were not even intended for you as an audience.
Let’s get real. You simply can’t be that naive. Stop shoveling and have an honest discussion.
No one except a few AP editors and celebrity hypocrites even pretends that OWS is about “reforming the banking system” or some such crap. Its goals are upfront, explicit, and obvious: To bring an end to capitalism.
Not reform it. Not tweak it. END it. They say so at every rally, over and over.
The Citizens United thing is just a hook, a gimmick, to bring about a much larger economic upheaval. Reich is the master of spin so of course he mentions it, that’s his shtick.
Pro-abortion activists back in the early ’70s didn’t say, “Gee, let this one woman Norma McCorvey have her abortion, OK?” No, they said “We will use this one case to overturn ALL abortion laws nationwide.”
When northern bounty hunters in he 1850s captured a slave who had fled to a free state and wanted to return him back to his southern master, they didn’t argue, “Gee, let us return this one escaped slave so we can get the reward.” They argued that we must keep the institution of slavery itself.
And so on. That’s how these things work. The call to reverse Citizens United will be the lever to end the capitalist system itself. And since we’re having an adult conversation here, let’s just put it all out on the table and stop pretending.
You forgot the most obvious example of that legal strategy: anti-death penalty activists who try to dig up evidence for someone on death row not so they can just set him free but more importantly so they can sway opinion against the death penalty itself and end it nationwide. Specific –> general. It’s the first thing you learn in progressive schools.
Robert Reich is a master propagandist. He knows what he’s doing…mention Citizens United as a cover, then rouse the extreme leftists with a call to end capitalism itself, while making sure your ass is protected in case anyone ever call you on it.
Joshua Scholar knows too, but he’s trying to feign naivite, not very convincingly.
Look I live in the Bay Area. I know that bay area protesters are nuts. I’ve seen the old crippled nudist in his wheelchair and nothing else. I’ve seen the anti-israel guy in his Uncle Sam costume. I know that protesters are a particularly unimpressive bunch. And I know nominal leftists who would mouth any slogan without thinking about it much. Business owners against capitalism, perhaps.
But that’s not Robert Reich who was Clinton’s secretary of Labor and a bright light on public radio ever since.
He’s no socialist, and if you haven’t been listening to him all these years, it’s your loss.
He is none of the things those drooling, out of proportion lefties are. I also understand how after years of watching the supply-siders win, he’s out of his mind with relief to see any protest that isn’t far right. The OWS crowd may be unimpressive but at least they’re left of Bachmann and out on the street.
And you know what, let’s be fair. The average right wing protester isn’t so bright or impressive either.
Yeah, the average right wing protester loves this country, has a family and a job, respects and complies with the law, cleans up after him or herself, and doesn’t defecate or urinate in public.
Impressive are they? Yeah look out for the Obama-hitler who’s plan is white slavery, I mean socialism, I mean sharia.
But at least the tea party types who protested with “save medicare” signs weren’t as bad as Ryan trying to destroy medicare.
Medicare is designed to fail. Crunch the numbers dude. There is not enough money in the world to keep this little experiment in socialism afloat. But then that was the plan all along, is it not? Cloward Piven’s road to poverty for all. I guess we will all then be equal then, right?
But then that was the plan all along, is it not? Cloward Piven’s road to poverty for all.
I am always in shock that anyone is stupid enough to repeat that shit. You’re like drug addicts from the 60′s repeating your ignorant, paranoid ravings while high, but you don’t have drugs as an excuse for your malfunctioning brains.
But it IS true that you have to choose between medicine for granny, and Grover Norquest’s tax cuts for all rich people.
And I KNOW you’d kill granny yourself if it makes money for the rich. You’re all that bought. So loyal, so brainwashed.
La Rouchies are not right-wing. They are happier among their leftist brethren, and you know it.
As to those with “Save Medicare” signs? I can’t remember the last time I saw one at at Tea Party rally, save amongst the counter-protesters.
Do you think you win when all the people who have actual jobs to go to tomorrow morning stop replying to go to bed? Seriously? Because you have not.
I’m amused that you’re concerned with winning an internet argument
Zombie, remember who I am?
We were both on LGF long ago and you took a picture of me counter-protesting.
I remember. I have no personal animosity toward you. Our views seem to have diverged wildly, but hey, things change. However, it is the PJM editors make these decisions about commenters, not me.
“And I KNOW you’d kill granny yourself if it makes money for the rich. You’re all that bought. So loyal, so brainwashed.”
You realize you’re a hate-filled bigot, right?
The LaRouchites? They’re not ‘right-wing protesters’–and they’re fixtures at OWS.
Understand, the tripe that the media created regarding Tea Party types is just that–tripe. The Tea Parties are what they appear to be coherent grassroots groups airing their grievances about an oppressive, intrusive government.
OWS is also what it appears to be–the standard Marxist organizations trying to >yet again< gin up The Revolution with an obfuscatory activist front creating enough clamor to get sympathy from otherwise sane people.
You don’t seem to have an original thought in your head. Just liberal talking points that you repeat like a parrot.
Ryans’s medicare reform plan will destroy medicare (and grannies).
Conservatives will throw granny over the cliff instead of increasing taxes on “the rich”.
Koch brothers are evil. Soros does not exist.
And I’m waiting for you to throw in – “Anti-capitalism and OWS is for the children”.
“far right”
I assume you mean the Tea Party movement. It endorses reduced government spending, opposition to taxation in varying degrees, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. Maybe far right to you, but to many right-of-center it makes sense.
If nothing else, this will be the best documented decline and fall in recorded history. And future historians will look back on this and shake their heads in disbelief while future psychologists and psychiatrists will look back and marvel at how a slow, creeping insanity of selfishness and ingratitude overwhelmed an entire nation.
The more I think about this the more I think that ironically, with all the whining about unfairness and injustice, our decay is a direct result of our affluence. People scrambling and scratching to eke out a living would hardly have the time to indulge in layabout whimpering and simpering about somebody else having more than them. And it is interesting to note that for the most part it is not the poor and oppressed lower classes we see indulging in this tantrum but rather spoiled, pampered young people suffering from arrested development, stuck in the 5 year old’s world of crying because some other has more than them. As with most revolutions the world over, it is not the truly oppressed that clamor for revolt but the intelligentsia – tenured and insulated from the realities and sometime harshness of life – and their lemming like followers – the ‘students’ – full of little but self esteem for themselves.
What they need is an invasion of dragons or a scourge of pestilence to descend on their whiny asses, making them scramble for survival and reminding the survivors of what the important things in life are.
We are seeing the result of decades of indoctrination and miseducation in our schools, colleges and universities. These ignoramuses have been taught this kind of narcissism. The media is part of this too; they provide the forum for this self-indulgent “performance art.”
I take exception to the sign dividing the country showing the 1% owning the North West etc… on down to the poor in Southern Texas.
We don’t care for stupid hippies down here. They should get the North West… or let them keep California.
The nice irony present is that these protesters are the victims of the very illegal immigrants they support but which have forced them out of jobs by undercutting them with under the table low cash payments.
Also, California has lost tons of revenue normal Americans would spend in state rather than having it sent to Latin America.
As usual, unable to face anything that conflicts with their world view, liberals consistently then blame those who have nothing to do with what they’re against, in this case, people who are financially successful.
In passing, it’d be a lot easier to support them if they would make a sign that is something other than clever cuteness and actually have something concrete that would come under the heading of “solution.”
Zombie, another great photo essay. You just let the Occutards show us who they really are.
I’m loving the chemtrail sign. And I want to know where I can get one of those mean looking Fox News tanks. Commies, anarchists and the rest of that gang of clowns sure have overactive imaginations. LMAO!
What I don’t get is, why are the Ocuutards going after Cal? They’re progressive whack jobs like they are!
Zombie, unless you have a personal reason to love “Josh Scholar”, please, I beg you, ban this jerk.
He wastes all our time. I’m having to scroll through endless screeds under this troll’s name, every word of every post of which is utterly, drearily, predictable, and a frequently a knowing lie.
Free speech is a wonderful thing. Yet a deliberate and prolix troll buries worthy speech under his drivel.
I don’t have the admin powers to do things like blocking commenters. It’s up to the editors. (I’m just a low-level “columnist” or whatever.) I can’t even moderate individual comments on other people’s posts.
I see that he posted a repulsive “retard” joke to you, plus is getting somewhat abusive, so we’ll see if that gets the editors’ attention.
No love for an old acquaintence?
There’s a picture of me on your site labeled “brave” (if not meant literally)
Also what ever happened to defending your ideas, or changing them?
You know, intellectual honesty.
You wouldn’t know ‘intellectual honesty’ if it bit you in the ass.
Now go crawl back to where you belong, Moby.
“Repulsive” doesn’t come anywhere close.
Thanks for thinking of me, anyway.
Surely the hands-off approach the mods take here are apparent to you (a good thing IMO). The best way to handle the Josh Scholars (AKA trolls) in our midst is to ignore them.
I just pray we have a cold and rainy winter here in the Bay Area.
Obvious that ‘josh scholar’ is in total disregard of items 1 & 3 per PJ’s standards for posting and should get the boot by the admins.
IS OBAMA THROWING OCCUPY WALL STREET LUNATICS UNDER THE BUS?
Click my name for the answer.
Seems like occupy has put a few shills here: just throw them out if you don’t agree. Heard it all during the 60s when I was there. My wife made the point that we had a message and a goal, now nothing but noise.
I think occupy should be real real glad for the police protection. Do not forget that now we have many more images so the more obnoxious will have to consider that they may later be held accountable by the offended.
I though Eldridge Cleaver was dead? But before that he became a fashion designer and a Republican!
Eldridge Cleaver is dead, I forget when and what he died of. In retrospect, I believe he had a lot of time to reflect on life in general while in prison. He wrote a book that was translated into many languages, and I remember it as impressive and thought provoking, but it was a long time ago.
Maybe it’s time to dig out the old “Free The Shrimp” signs and hop on BART. Maybe all it takes is a couple of kids, bills, and a tax bill before a young person can hear that “POP” when their head finally clears their rectum.
I’ll call my buddy with UCPD and get more info.
It ain’t “rocket science:” It is either central “command and control” government or some form of democracy. A few rulers at the top or the entire people controlling government by voting for or against politicians. Aristotle, in his “Politics”, described three types of government: Monarchy, Aristocracy (rule by a few at the top), and democracy, rule by all the people. He decided that whoever ruled would rule for himself and his friends, so democracy was preferable. Sounds pretty logical to me. After 2500 years he is still relevant. Or………..?
Maybe it’s just a reflection of my own quirky sense of humor but I like the sign “Re-Fund Public Education” in the very first picture.
I realize that the signmaker intends that to mean “Fund Public Education Again” but I like to imagine that hyphen disappearing so that the sign says “Refund Public Education”.
If these protesters are the best that our education system can produce these days, then everyone who pays for that education should get a refund, whether that means the student, the student’s parents, or a government program that covers their costs. These students are simply being cheated by getting an indoctrination into leftism rather than a genuine education.
My first thought was, “What a scruffy looking lot of Nerf herders” Then I thought, “That’s really not fair, Nerf herders have jobs” This looks more like a re-enactors event like the Civil war re-enactors who dress up and play civil war battles..
I don’t think it is quite fair that while these students were out protesting and working hard for…whatever it was, that others were selfishly attending lectures, or studying. This is leads to unjust grade inequality. All those with grades of B+ or higher should be required to give 10% of their grade to the less fortunate, but more deserving, students at the bottom of the class.
Occupy SF will be on Bush Street between Kearney and Montgomery this afternoon, about 2:30 to 5:30.
Pass it on.
If you are in the Financial District, the easiest way around the blockage to foot traffic is simply to walk down Pine to Sansome. There’s a BART/Muni entrance there.
Bus routes are going to be a complete shambles, and heaven knows what street traffic is going to be like.
Good info, Also, repost your comment on this more appropriate Tatler thread:
Video from inside SF Bank of America as rampaging occupiers beclown themselves
I am reminded of a line from Aaron Wilburn:
“What we need are some grannies to deliver some drive-by whoopin’s!”
These are nothing but spoiled, brainwashed little children.
Yes, that includes that gray-headed “professor”, too.
The poster about Tokyo refers to the Chancellor’s trip during the original “Day of Action” when he was visiting Japan and China on campus business. The Chancellor sent a University-wide e-mail prior the most recent “Day of Action” noting that he had reviewed the video of the UCPD actions and the recent protests despite being in Asia.
I’m a student at Berkeley and thankfully not a lefty loony.
This is what happens when our Government doesn’t secure our ports and borders. We get regurgitated pseudo socialism from the north and south of our border and every where else socialism has been attempted and failed.
Do these kids actually know who Che was? He was no fan of free speech. He was no democrat. If you were to say anything against him or Fidel, he would silence you permanently. Che believed in the death penalty, especially when he carried out the executions himself.
Nice to see nostalgia is alive and well, I actually had a flashback.
“Hell’s Grannies” — also an uproarious skit from Monty Python’s Flying Circus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKcAGNn93Y0&feature
Soros, in his own words. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol. Tried in the 1900′s, 30′s, 60′s and now 2011.
This time a little better organized, better funded, better philosophy: “top down/bottom up and inside out” (you know Van Jones’ STORM mantra). He was on CNN 11/17/11 interviewed by Suzanne Malbeux. He tried to slice and dice “personal” property and “private” property. Later, saying these OWS’ers are true heroes.
Another person, in the 1800′s, had much the same problem…yep, Karl Marx. He wrote extensively about his conundrum; property – personal and private, only to be implemented much later by Lenin in the Soviet Union.
So, Cloward-Piven, in the 1900′s, along with Keynesian economics and FDR as a Great Facilitator bequethed this failed socialist/communist mantra to our USA. Now, Piven-Jones-Ayers-Trumka-Axelrod-Holder-Obama are trying to complete an architectural project begun in the 1900′s, this coming 2012.
OWS is patently marxist/leninist in its mission, vision, goals and objectives.
Vote this coming 2012 election because nefarious forces are seeking to wrest Our USA from We The People and make this a third world type command economy.
God Bless America.
Pray this is paranoid drivel and absolutely nothing comes out of my predilection to predict gloom and doom out of California’s vulnerable present crisis. Start out by describing a drive I took through Northern California two years ago to simply sightsee the more obscure regions of the state. I started out from Reno Nevada in a auto rental and planned to drive through northeastern Cali towards Oregon east of the Cascades. First day out I could not believe the number of state correctional facilities dotting the landscape and so many unusually bunched together geographically. Why? I figured local political choices to make jobs in a low populated yet conservative region of the state. Anyways, The population in these facilities is generally urban (read Latino, Black American’s) and right now there is no demographic more excited about OWS than this one. And dudes this is not about overdue library books and student loans. THIS IS LIFE AND DEATH. They are tuned to this event like crocodiles are too a baby hippos sweet savory butt cheeks. Ask any correction officer anywhere, a part of the prison populations (polically and intellectually aware) in especially a long term prison population are riveted by what is occurring in the various OWS encampments around the U.S. And of course you have the politically active prisoner rights advocates many which will stir the interred with imaginations and blather, “that just maybe, justice will be served soon for their side as OWS throws open the doors and unbind these chains that so unfairly hold you, unjustly imprisoned while bankers and greedy wall street types wander freely about eating Napa valley grapes”. Opps! That is so true. Anyways, as is commonly known Cali has a trillion dollar legal and illegal drug economy and many of it’s millionaires and billionaires wait idly through sentences for drugs and other incoherent sundry behaviors indulged in by that class of people. Well how about and OWS in the Cali prison system and we’ve got the bucks and the ducks in a row inside and outside to make it happen. This sweet and sour soup of a mess is so temptingly apparent in my rancid ignoble imagination but is reasonable and doable to those of the political stripe that find fulsome expression in OWS. Cali is the tipping point for so many years for so many causes for so many reasons. Three weeks. My bat sense says three weeks. Money changes everything. Yet some say sunlight is the best disinfectant. Light versus darkness. Time to get out the Bat signal.
Zombie,
Great work as always!
One note, the tank on the fox poster is a german Tiger I from WWII. the only time the us used that tank was in the movie kelly’s heroes.
All the best to you.
AG
Wasn’t Reich an investment banker?
When California sinks under its own weight, they get FEMA. Nothing else.
What many of you seem to ignore is what you are seeing is just a symptom of the emotional upheaval being instituted by our fears that our slavery is about to slap us in the face. This is not about college students perse, or thier personal beliefs, but about the larger picture, you know the one, where critical mass is about to be reached as our nations sinks further into revolutionary thinking and insurection. The tighter our government and it cronies the industrial banking cartels tighten the thumb screws the more violent will the citizenry become.
This “Hundredth Monkey” issue cannot be ignored and is beginning to show as emotions start to roil over. The establishment, instead of clearly seeing the writing on the wall, will resort to militarily enforcing draconian measures to stop the upheavals, which I say, will be much to their regret.
The people are screaming at the top of thier collective lungs, but is our government hearing them? No !! Our government and all its cronies do not waht to hear what they must, and that is that our economic stability is about to implode and they know there is nothing they can do about it.
it’s as if they are floating our economy until after 2012 before letting collapse because they know something is afoot….. Wake up people and gird your loins, for when it hits the fan, if you are not prepared, you will be dust in the wind……
Here’s the latest at the Occupation in Los Angeles.
http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/11/occupyla-the-calm-before-the-storm-pictures/
Some group mediation, eating the rich, a kid’s zone, and reparations are a few highlights.
I thought Pigford was reparations. Or is it that THEY want US in chains, after all?
My money is on number 2. (like I have any money left).