South Park is the least of Islam’s problems: The Mohammed Image Archive displays every Mohammed portrait ever created
In the Inferno section of Dante’s trilogy The Divine Comedy, Mohammed is described as being one of the “Sowers of Discord,” showing his entrails to Dante and Virgil in the Eighth Circle of Hell:
The poets are in the ninth
chasm of the eighth circle, that of the Sowers of
Discord, whose punishment is to be mutilated.
Mahomet shows his entrails to Dante and Virgil
while on the left stands his son Ali, his head cleft
from chin to forelock.
Several famous (and not-so-famous) artists have created their own illustrations of this scene. In each drawing, Mohammed is the one with his torso slit open.
The medieval drawing above of Mohammed (on the right in the image) showing his entrails to Dante and Virgil (on the left) is from one of the earliest surviving illustrated manuscripts of the Inferno, dating from the third quarter of the fourteenth century (1350-1375), and currently held in the Bodleian Library in Oxford, England. The artist is unknown; the manuscript is known as “MS. Holkham misc. 48,” part of the Holkham manuscripts collection.
From: Stalkr2090
Subject: fuck youfuck you kafir pieces of shit
get my new game HOLY WAR coming soon bitches….
see you when you die…
This picture is of an early Renaissance fresco in Bologna’s Church of San Petronio, created by Giovanni da Modena and depicting Mohammed being tortured in Hell.
In 2002, Islamic extremists plotted to blow up the church in order to destroy the image.
The fresco is in an inaccessible part of the church and is now only visible at an angle from a distance; this old black-and-white image is one of the few official photos ever taken that shows a straight frontal view of the figures.
I found this email to be remarkable in that the author thinks Mohammed is admirable and is in heaven because he had “only” 400 “total Kills.” Only 400? Truly a man of peace!
From: ahmed a. (Egypt)
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1- Islamic religion respect all religions so why you always try to kill Islamic religion & Allah’s Prophet Mohamed.
2- Do you know that there is no body can enter to Paradise before Prophet Mohamed ?
do you know that total Kills for Prophet Mohamed at all wars were 400 Only. & you can count any another body.
3- Do you know that you try to Kill your prophet ? & Allah Get him up to Heaven ?
4- Do you know that Islamic religion is the REAL Religion ? & the Quoran is the only book form Allah & there is no changes in his words ?
5- Do you Know that Mohamed is the BEST & The KIND & the BETTER Man in the world from ADAM Till finish ?
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Speaking of which…
Chick Publications, the Christian publishing house famous for the campy free booklets it has distributed across the United States for decades, has issued several titles which featured drawings of Mohammed, all claiming that Islam was either inspired by the Devil, or concocted as a power-grab by the Catholic Church — or both. One of the booklets is called Men of Peace, drawn by Jack Chick himself, and which focuses on the diabolical origins of Islam. Here are three sample pages from Men of Peace:
Men of Peace, page 4.
Men of Peace, page 5.
Men of Peace, page 6.
The following two emails arrived just yesterday, and are the latest additions to the “Responses from Readers” page:
From: n. shareef (India)
you bastord how dare you to display the name of muhammed salle lahu alaihi wa sallam on others photo
do you know his image doesnt appear because GOD almighty ALLAH has not make others to remember his photo and draw his paintings……………
no one knows how he looks……..
you are the bloody rascal,bloody bugger,bastord,you all family has born as bastords that’s y u r doing such nonsense……………
i supplicates FROM ALLAH ALMIGHTY to deteriorate your life soon.AAMIN. its a curse from me and from all muslims and MIGHT BE its a reward for ur work frm ALLAH…………………………… DONT INTERFERE IN RELIGIOUS MATTER………………OTHERWISE YOU NEVER GET A CHANCE TO MEND YOUR GUILTS………………………….FUCK OFF BLOODY BASTORD……………….HOPE YOU NEVER DO IT AGAIN…..REMOVE MY PROHET MUHAMMED NAME ON OTHERS IMAGE………….OTHERWISE YOU LOOSE YOUR LOVEONE………………
Ten minutes later, apparently dissatisfied with the curses in his first communiqué, “n. shareef” sent this follow-up note detailing my upcoming rendezvous with eunuchs:
From: n. shareef (India)
i will depict your image…………………think it how it would be bastord……………..you self embarassed your self why i depict the prophet muhammed’s image………………..if you dont understood come to india i will make you to get fuck from eunuch……….ok bloody bastord…………….hav fuck with eunuchs
Detail of a Persian miniature from the mid-1500s depicting Mohammed (his face covered by a veil) ascending to Paradise astride the miraculous horse Buraq, surrounded by angels. In Islamic lore, this event is called the “Miraj,” or the Night Journey. From a miniature made to illustrate a copy of the poems of Nizami, called Nizami’s Khamsa (Five Poems). Tabriz, Persia, 1539-43. Currently housed in the British Library, London.
From: Mehmet Serhat A. (Turkey)
Subject: Shame On YouShame on You!!!! Shame On You!!! Is it your contemporaneousness???!!! We respect all prophets of religions. Glorious Moses, Jesus, Jacop, Elijah, Joseph, David (Dawud), Salamon (as I know it is written as Jedidiah in the Bible) etc.
…Shame On You!!!!…Mercy!!!!!
Illustration depicting a schematized Mohammed illuminating an early medieval Latin translation of the Koran, from a manuscript in la Bibliotheque de l’Arsenal, in Paris. This may be the earliest known depiction of Mohammed, possibly dating from the mid-12th century. This reproduction is from the book Naissance de l’Europe, by Robert S. Lopez (published 1962) (taken from Deux traductions latines du Coran, by Marie-Therese D’Alverny [published 1948]).
Some of my hate mail is almost poetic:
From: Ashraf J. A. (Qatar)
What r u issuing of garbage about our prophet is your sick thinking, your empty soul, your dramatic destiny.
The entire controversy started when Danish author Kåre Bluitgen complained that he could not find an artist brave enought to illustrate his upcoming book about Mohammed. The newspaper Jyllands-Posten issued a call for submissions from any artists willing to take up the challenge. In the ensuing brouhaha, the original book was almost forgotten; it has now been released, and does feature page after page of Mohammed depictions. This site features scans of several of the pages, as does the “Face of Mohammed” blog, and the WikiIslam page. (This Danish blog also has some information about the release of the book.) The image above is a sample page taken from the book (titled Koranen og profeten Muhammeds liv, or The Koran and the life of the prophet Mohammed in English), which overall features dozens of drawings of Mohammed. The artist created the illustrations on one condition only: that he remain anonymous. This particular drawing depicts a bedraggled Mohammed in a cave seeing an apparition of the Angel Gabriel.
From: M. H.
u ar all of u how say that about profet mohamed and jezus you dont have mainds and i wel say we ar caming to kill al most of u whit bonb and whit hand and stret and evry wel becous you ar mor than animals.
Filibuster cartoons featured a comic that pointedly exposed the hypocrisy of the Islamic response.
From: Murtaza G.
Subject: All the bestHi!!
This is Murtaza and I wish luck for all of those who have created this webpage. Please don’t take me wrong you will need all the luck from all your friend and family members as they see you burning in Hell for your acts.I understand you have your rights and you can display and show what you want however what is displayed on your website will affect on a millions of people around the world as this is an act of coward ness you people were not able to do anything when your own President Mr. Bush whose house is run by our people in Saudi knew everything about 9/11 and still allowed you people to die as it was in his interest of making money from the Muslims.
You culture allows you to see your daughter and your wife naked and having sex with some one else in front of you and you say that it is Democracy to hell with this kind of freedom
I will certainly pray that all the people who have worked on this website goes to hell for good and also let other people learn about you so that very soon the complete of America is faced with situations like 9/11 in each and every state and city that you have.
This cartoon, originally from the Caric caricatures site, is a good example of a theme which has been explored in many recent Mohammed drawings: At what point does your creation become a picture of Mohammed? The first stroke? Not until you’re done? Or somewhere in between? Surely a paradox for philosophers to ponder.
Ever since receiving this warning, I’ve been on the lookout for “the Angle of Death”:
From: Abu M. (UK)
Subject: Wait for your DeathO infidels! Life of this world has decieved you, verily you have committed a grave sin. Just wait for the Angle of Death, you will find the Truth. Remember Hell fire is most Blazing, most Scorching. We Curse you, May Allah Punish you a Severe Punishment in both the Worlds.
This deceptive landscape appears to show Mohammed in the desert having visions of the erotic Islamic afterlife — but the desert is a woman’s body, the crescent moon is her belly-button, his turban is her pubic hair, and he’s emerging from her vagina. A full-size version of the drawing can be downloaded here.
This email never ceases to fascinate me, especially the part about “every jinn and man Muslims” and the colorful selection of verbs describing what he plans to do to my female family members:
From: tamim a.
Hey shit
You know what you are a bastard and also you are the one whose depicting the ones picture and making fun the one who is Truly the messenger of Allah to man and jinn and surely one of these (Jinn or man) will fuck you up and punish you to death because he is the love one for every jinn and man Muslims
And on the mean time I be looking to rape your sister and fuck ur mother and bang your wife.
Mohammed (riding the horse) receiving the submission of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe he defeated at Medina. From the Jami’al-Tawarikh, dated 1314-5. In the Nour Foundation’s Nasser D. Khalili Collection of Islamic Art, London. This image was found here, and another version can be found here.
From: c-r-e-e-d (Ireland)
Subject: U disguss methere is no God but ALLAH
and Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him is the Last prophet.Last mean last…After Jesus…Therefore we all have to follow him.
Islam means Peace.
WHY DONT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT!!
and you making pictures yourself!! Oh ALLAH! forgive me i saw those pics.
Your end will be very painful one
Mohammed with his six-year-old bride Aisha (from the Hindu Unity site).
And finally, a prediction of future 9/11s:
From: Syed Shahid R.
Subject: go to hell mother fuckers
actually u r those motherfuckers who dont know the names
of your fathers so you all r jeoloused of muslims because
they have values and strong religous background and your
generations even dont know the name of their prophet,
ALLAH send all of you to the terriblest part of the hell very soon.do what ever you like but you even can not touch the shit of a muslim
as it is more cleaner then you people.
even JESUS AND MOSES both feel ashamed to call
christians and jews as their belivers,because all prophets
sent by allmighty God have same preachings and we
muslims respect all the prophets and even cant imagine
to do any thing against them,and we r extreamly
proud to have the superiorest prophet (p.b.u.h)
for whom GOD made this whole universe.
all the motherfuckers done in this side God led
them to hell soon.just wait and watch one day the 9/11 will be repeated.
go to hell
Portrait of Mohammed from Michel Baudier’s Histoire générale de la religion des turcs (Paris, 1625). It was sold at auction by Sotheby’s in 2002. The same image was incorporated into the cover of issue #2195 of the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur.
Want more? Visit The Mohammed Image Archive.
One final note: If the link above doesn’t work, it’s because the Archive is overwhelmed with traffic — a common occurrence. Keep trying, and you’ll eventually get through. (Repeated hacking attempts and DDOS attacks also paralyze the site with disturbing regularity.) Which brings up an important issue: mirroring.
If anybody reading this wants to create a “mirror” version of the Archive (that is, an exact duplicate site, but posted to a different domain), you have my full permission to do so. The purpose behind the Archive is not to jealously guard its exclusivity, but rather to forever preserve and promulgate Mohammed-related artwork; and if the hackers ever succeed in knocking my site offline, I want there to be as many mirror sites as possible. Currently there are nine mirrors (listed at the bottom of the Archive’s front page), but they’re all long out of date, so any additional mirrors would be welcome. And if you send me the link to your mirror, I’ll add it to the list.
I always find it amazing how those who scream the loudest about tolerance, have so little tolerance themselves.
Muslims aren’t screaming about tolerance. They want a caliphate, they want to impose their will upon others.
They are screaming out their demands that we “tolerate” them by never saying or doing anything that would upset them.
Hi
I have stumbeled across onto your website,after finding this out cry on facebook.
I am a believer ad I would like to know this….
Why…always Islam is targetted?
No ther religion ever is?
Is because people like you guys, like to cause trouble?
Freedom of speech…..
I believe in freedom in speech, but for the right reasons not wrong.
This so called frredom of speech has given you the following…..
Aids
children out of wedlock
rape
drug abuse
child abuse
single sex relationships
people getting depressed
suicide
mass cult
would you like me to go on?
People believe have gone.
Would you like people take this piss out of your mother?
You will find it offensive?
If you have children,if you saw someone drawing them in stupid ways?
It hurts right??
It hust like hell
We love our prophet very much
he come from I time where there was humanity, which I think a lot of people have forgotton.
From humanity comes respect for other and their believes.
Do us muslims, draw about you pagan,non believers….whatever?
So why target us??
I think you guys are scared
Islam is to fastest growng religion in the world.
Islam is based on humanity.
Maybe you should look within yourself,maybe you have a problem.
You guys to us as much as you want, but your time will come from the creator of life itself.
To mock any prophet is wrong.
They are our roots and excistance of our beings.
I do not believe in terrorism and I do not believ in violence
The world is in a sorry state at the moment.
How do you guys sleep at night?
Do you have no fear of the hell
Oh….sorry, you have created hell for yourself.
I think you guys need to take a step back from life, take a few deep breathes and ask the creator for forgiveness
There is to much hatred in this world,stop making more
First off, Islam is not alone in being mocked, if you do your research you’ll find this to be true, in fact, Muslims are far from innocent when it comes to insulting other religions, especially Judaism (as well as sexual minorities). The only difference is that Islam reacts violently, while others groups understand it’s not worth bloodshed.
Second, Islam is only the fastest growing religion if you look solely at converts, and not at those whom remain with the religion. The majority of converts in the west abandon Islam within two years of converting, yet of course the majority of Muslims are either unaware of this or simply hide their knowledge of it.
I love yasmin’s response
“This so called frredom of speech has given you the following…..
Aids”
Really aids is caused by freedom of speach?
All I have to say is WOW!! You are really out of touch with reality. Do your research before you open your mouth.
Despite the fact that nearly half the pictures in the Archive (like the one above) are by Muslim artists who worked in eras when there was no prohibition against depicting Mohammed, many of my correspondents…are under the impression that it is and always has been “forbidden” to draw him… even though there is no specific rule against depicting Mohammed mentioned anywhere in the Koran.
Amazing, isn’t it ? Depicting the Prophet has not been a particular issue throughout most of the 14 centuries since he lived, though one of the Sura briefly alludes to a ban on iconic images in general, which I think the Taliban used as an excuse to destroy the gigantic Bamiyan buddhas in Afghanistan.
It’s just lucky us who get the modern, brain dead, at the ready to be offended at any and all depictions of Mohammed. It’s a great tool for whipping up the masses, a form of exploitation, really, on the part of those Islamists who declare themselves under compulsion from Allah to insure that their murderous sect dominates the Earth.
Your efforts at documenting the decline and fall of western civilization have been a great service, Zombie, including but not limited to photographing various and sundry marches in San Francisco and Berzerkley.
So I have cartoons I did and delivered to every member of congress, dating to 1989 that describe the then to be announced “Long lasting War and sell lots of weapons” c 1991; happy to post them here, happy to send them to you…they are right on the money…my cartoon philosophy is a picture is worth a thousand words…so I use very few words…
Yes we have freedom of speech, but what is wrong with being sensitive when it comes to someones faith? I don’t like it when someone shows Jesus in a negative setting.
What’s wrong with being sensitive? Nothing at all. Everyone is free to be sensitive if they so choose.
By the same token, everyone is free to be INsensitive too. That is the nature of personal freedom.
If I worship at the Church of Satire, it violates my religious convictions if anyone FAILS to make fun of religious leaders. So, when you’re respectful, you’re being insensitive to ME.
Also, if you don’t like seeing Jesus in a negative setting, you may want to stay away from the Extreme Mohammed page, because it features several images involving Jesus — getting a blowjob from Mohammed, etc.
And your freedom to NOT view the Extreme page or the whole Archive is also part of what it means to be free. There are a zillion things on the Internet I don’t like or wouldn’t want to see. I solve that problem by REFRAINING FROM LOOKING AT THEM — and not by compelling others to bend to my dictates.
So why not publish the pictures which are negative about Jesus on the PJM page? I bet you will have an outcry from Christians. Maybe not to kill you, but a lot of not so nice things will be said about you. As a Christian I do not want to offend someone on purpose. And I know, I offend the Muslims just by being me. But does this give me an excuse to offend them?
Yes, because, you know, there’s *totally* a moral equivalency between not saying nice things about a person and that of violent rioting in the streets, threatening journalists, and literally killing dissenters.
If you don’t want to offend people, that’s fine. But until people can blaspheme against Mohammed without threat (or actual penalty) of death upon their life, then the Islamic political world is just a cover organization for the “extremist” terroristic elements within it.
You can IMAGE google:
“blasphemous picture of Jesus”
And there are TONS!
There are hundreds upon hundreds of pictures in the Archive, and I only had room here to reprint a handful – -so I tried to choose the ones that were most representative and/or noteworthy. The few that incidentally have Jesus in the picture didn’t make the grade — most are amateurish sketches. But believe me, I didn’t avoid posting the Jesus pics here so as not to offend Christians — I simply focused on the Mo pix because the whole purpose and name of the site is “The Mohammed Image Archive,” not The Jesus Image Archive. If I had posted them on PJM, and some Christians said some “not nice” things about me, it would roll off me like water off a duck’s back. I’ve spent five years getting death threats against me and my family every day: Do you think I’d care if someone said, “Mercy me! Jesus is missing his loincloth! You are naughty!”
But if you really want me to post them, here are a couple direct links for you:
Aftermath of a four-way orgy involving Jesus, Mohammed, Moses and Buddha.
The Caned in Totnes blog featured this cartoon of Mohammed performing oral sex on a crucified Jesus, with the caption, “In the interest of fairness, here is a cartoon to offend both Christians and Muslims. Do you think the Danish press will print it?”
Because Christians aren’t threatening to kill anyone who publishes such pictures.
“Maybe not to kill you…”
But that is the thing, isn’t it?
OK, people don’t like it if Jesus is shown negatively, I don’t particularly like it myself. But they don’t riot and kill people over it, and that is the difference.
It is that level of threat, intimidation and assault that we are trying to stand up against.
The fact of the matter is that there are many violent Jihadists around the globe who want the world, the whole entire world, to submit to their preferred version of Islam. This is not some lie made up by George Bush or the Evangelicals. It is the truth, proclaimed by them many times in many ways and to a large extent being enacted. Not just in Iran, but in Africa.
They really aren’t just going to stop and go away quietly, they will have to be actually fought, by many many means.
Hey, I don’t like it, but it’s the truth. We can fight, or we can submit, but we won’t be able to ignore them forever.
OMG — Zombie, please tell this to everyone. Well put, extremely well expressed.
The big difference is the reaction of those being offended.
Had the muslims said something along the lines of:
We don’t like it when you make fun of the prophet, it makes us mad. If you keep it up we will boycott the businesses of those who do so.
Then pretty much everyone would have agreed with them, and many would have joined the boycotts.
Instead, they responded by demanding that govts outlaw the images that offend them and that those who offend them either be put in jail or executed.
The natural result of such attempts to outlaw that which you don’t like is a like this:
If you didn’t like that one, here’s one that’s twice as offensive.
I’m sorry if the muslims feel offended. But they have no right to force others to live by their moral code.
Why be sensitive towards Islam? Islam has been so Insensitive towards all others for so long it seems absurd, remember if we all go by “Treat others as you would like them to treat you”, then if someone treats you poorly you relies that this is the way they would like to be treated.
The daisy chain showing Mohammed screwing the Muslim sheep while being screwed by Allah is the best, it describes reality perfectly.
Seriously! I still have tears of laughter!
You may not like it, Alaskan, but do you call for the artist to be murdered and his wife raped and his daughters defiled if someone paints Jesus in a bad light? Or do you turn the other cheek and pray for the artist?
Inciting riots and killing people for painting a religious figure is crazy. Freedom of speech does not come with a “freedom to not be offended” clause.
Good work, Zombie.
“I don’t like it when someone shows Jesus in a negative setting.”
And yet, somehow I don’t think you threaten to kill people over that. Unfortunately, it is commonplace for this type of reaction to occur with Islam. Even worse, people have actually been killed because of their views on Islam.
It’s important because threatening people’s lives if they display an image of Mohammed isn’t like terrorism–it is terrorism. Westerners are “considerate” when kept at bay with threats, and when Westerners start being “inconsiderate,” the inevitable violent reactions in the Islamic world show that Islam as a whole is far from a peaceful religion.
I say keep it up, Zombie. If these people can’t tolerate freedom of speech without becoming violent, then it just confirms that their religion is imbued with violence.
Actually, formal and historic images HAVE been challenged. Wasn’t it just last year that the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC caved to pressure and removed an image of Mohammed?
In the USA, negative images of Jesus is also protected freedom of expression. The Christians will have a cow, but that is their right. It is NOT their right, however, to repress or force the removal of negative images of Jesus. Most Christians in the US know this, and like one poster said, they’ll simply pray for the person who dissed their Lord.
Excellent work, Zombie, especially showing the radical Islamics’ ignorance of their own religion. I wonder if Allah will forgive them such ignorance–nah, I doubt it.
Exactly, we believe our God is powerful enough to deal with those who blaspheme Him on His own. They’ll get more than they bargained for when He’s good and ready. Vengeance is His, and He will repay. Until then, we say, “Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.”
Not at all worried about dog coming after me- hard to worry about things that do not exist. However, if it turns out it does, I’ll see what I can do to exterminate it – on the grounds that anything that lets children be burned, tortured, raped etc. without utterly destroying those who do it before they can is beneath my contempt. YMMV, but I really could not care less.
Zombie, I’ve tried to find one of those e-mail addresses through which I could contact you on your page, but I wasn’t successful. Nevertheless, I thought you might like to know through this comment section that your Mahound-archive page is the likely reason why Zombietime has been banned in Erdoganistan/Anatolian Arabia, that place known in PC-speak as Turkey.
The email contact for the Archive in on the “Email Responses from Readers” page, linked above in the essay.
Yes, I know I was banned in Turkey. I was also banned in Pakistan, something which actually was reported by the BBC (if you squint you can see zombietime listed in the official government banning letter). I’m also banned in Saudi Arabia and was banned for a while in Malaysia, but I seem to have become un-banned in Malaysia– not sure why.
Interestingly, getting banned in a country a sure way to get increased traffic from there — believe me, Turks and Pakistanis know how to use proxies to get around bans, and as soon as they hear something is forbidden, they all rush to see it!
I definitely support freedom of speech – but it is not an absolute right. The US Supreme Court says it doesn’t give someone the right to shout ‘FIRE!’ in a crowded theater, and it defines some kinds of speech as “fighting words” – which are not protected.
Even though it is my personal belief that Muhammad is either the anti-Christ or a forerunner, I belief we must show respect for his followers to some extent since they are deceived. Many of the cartoons above fall in the ‘fighting words’ category and may also then be found to be criminal (under some statute) or the cartoonist liable in a civil suit.
The ones I am talking about are obvious and should be removed. You can’t expect to spit in a man’s face with impunity.
Of course, I also recognize that they started this brawl … but let’s not descend to that level …
Any speech that offends someone should be banned?
Well your post offends me. I demand that it be removed from this site post haste.
(In case you didn’t recognize it, the second line was sarcasm.)
“and it defines some kinds of speech as “fighting words” – which are not protected.”
Ok. So somehow, pictures of Mohammed are “fighting words,” but actual death threats received from Muslims aren’t?
Yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is a case where you are personally responsible for deliberately causing a dangerous situation. Your ridiculous assertion is that we should know in advance that someone else is violent and we should be responsible for their batshit-insane actions. So if we don’t pussyfoot around in a constant state of paranoia and cave to their violent threats, then we’re somehow culpable?
Let’s consider that I made up a religion where any pictures of cats was punishable by death. Should we respect that? An emphatic NO. The difference between my ludicrous example and what actually transpires with Muslims is a difference only in degree, not kind.
Sorry, but Muslims don’t get to determine what we can and cannot say about their religion. Likewise, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. don’t get to determine what are “fighting words” about an abstract entity known as religion. Until individuals actually make violent threats against individual Muslims, any speech is protected. If anything, it is the Muslim response that borders on unprotected free speech.
“Let’s consider that I made up a religion where any pictures of cats was punishable by death”
And put you-tube out of business?
And make me sad?
Now them’s fighting words, buddy!
11. Peter Peter
“The US Supreme Court says it doesn’t give someone the right to shout ‘FIRE!’ in a crowded theater…”
It f*cking does if there is a fire!!
They make threats partly because it works, it gets respect and it gets kow-towing. They are also prepared to make wild charges and pursue anyone who challenges them, including civilly. They have perfected the art of bullying.
Amazing how the world has changed in 10 years. In Pre-911 2001 it was not even an issue for South Park to show Mohammed. Now network executives are too scared to even let a cartoon utter his name. Terrorism works!
You are unfortunately right. Terrorism does work, but only because we allow it to. Take the case of the Palestinians. They are the “cause célèbre” for many leftists in the world, why truly repressed people don’t even make a blip on the radar screen. I had this discussion recently with a Kurdish friend of mine. The Kurds are a separate ethnic group with roughly 36,000,000 million members who don’t have their own state, but most people have no idea what a Kurd is, where they live, and can discuss even minute details of the atrocities they have suffered. Take for example Saddam Hussein’s Al-Anfal campaign that killed between 100,000 – 150,000 people and included the use of chemical weapons and concentration camps. Scores of villages were leveled and up to 1/3rd of Iraq’s Kurds displaced. The Palestinians got European support by committing acts of terror inside of Europe, which lead them to cave in and turn on Israel. (That and fear of losing their oil sources.)
There are several other instances where appeasement to terror has brought only more terror: America’s retreat from Lebanon after the Marine barracks bombing, refusal to back Salman Rushdi in the face of his fatwa, Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Lebanon and Gaza, and now we are repeating the same mistakes by censoring cartoons and the ongoing harassment campaign against Dutch refusenik Geert Wilders.
Terrorism works, but only because we allow it to work. Tell them loudly and clearly that we will not bow down, we will not copulate with our sisters and/or livestock, and we most certainly won’t be traveling to India to have it from a eunoch, however that is supposed to work. I don’t really want to think about that one.
Did you see the South Park 3-episode series called “Imaginationland?”
“The terrorists have attacked us where it hurts the most, our imaginations!” “Our imaginations are under attack! The people are in a panic!”
Nice statement. I got a kick out of it.
“From: tamim a.
Hey shit
You know what you are a bastard and also you are the one whose depicting the ones picture and making fun the one who is Truly the messenger of Allah to man and jinn and surely one of these (Jinn or man) will fuck you up and punish you to death because he is the love one for every jinn and man Muslims
And on the mean time I be looking to rape your sister and fuck ur mother and bang your wife.”
Now this is a Hallmark moment if there ever was one! I think the part about “rape your sister, f*ck ur mother and bang your wife” would make a perfect card for recent graduates.
Now this is a Hallmark moment if there ever was one! I think the part about “rape your sister, f*ck ur mother and bang your wife” would make a perfect card for recent graduates.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a thread winner!
What did Mohamed say to the prisoners he took before raping them? “Allah fuck you!”
The e-mails from the true followers of Mohammed is part of the reason I go to the gym 4 times a week, and keep my weapon clean with my gear close, and ready to go. That, and I cling to my religion while profiling.
I love your reference to “cling[ing] to your religion!” — That was great
Yeah — a little more “religion-clinging” would do this country some good.
– FF
Now the truth is known, the South Park cartoon is not mightier than the sword. Ah, the days of risk taking heroic Comedy Central corporate capitalism is over where diversity rules the roost–as long as butt of the joke isn’t Islam.
Thanks for doing that. Now, for the other shoe to drop. Images of Gay Jesus:
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Gay%20Jesus_files/jesus%20kiss.jpg
http://freethinker.co.uk/2007/08/18/gay-jesus-exhibition-attacked/
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OMLYyLC8HTo/SGP3htSNMxI/AAAAAAAAJT4/tvUPrB5Gk4o/s400/Gay-Jesus-bible.jpg
http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/australian-family-association-gay-jesus-play-a-big-enough-crime/
http://img.wonkette.com/images/thumbs/84d87b48b37d45b35ae981cfb57e78b9.jpg
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/jesus_kissing_muhammed_cartoon_canada.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/gay%20jesus/pmitra/Ecce_Homo_photo_6.jpg
In about three minutes, several of you hypocrites will appear to describe how its different to do this to Jesus than Mohammed, proving neatly how full of crap is this website and all who take it seriously.
I like how you:
1. do something,
2. then predict a response to it that would fit your preconceived stereotypes
3. then condemn everyone for the predicted response
3a. even though it didn’t happen.
Typical leftist argumentation technique. I.e. no technique whatsoever.
Note that I had to rescue your comment from the spam filter (too many links) for it to appear, according you special treatment in order to help you post those images. Also note that I already posted pictures of gay Jesus above (in response to comment #4), and I didn’t see anyone going ballistic.
Oh well. Go your merry way griping about how hypocritical we are. That’s what you do, facts or no facts.
Well said, Zombie. What amuses me about libs like this Oscar le Grouche is how square they are. He thinks we’ll be shocked in the world of Piss Christ, etc. On top of that, he doesn’t even bother to read your post and see that you’ve already linked it. Of course, there’s always the possibility that’s he’s being paid to leave his droppings and is in a hurry. But the people paying him should get their money back.
Silence! I KEEL YOU!
Naaaaaaaaw.
“Holy Crap !
Are those my virgins ?
I hope not, there are some ugly ass guys outs there !”
Maybe you are right. I hear the rioting going on around the corner from my house! Over the deafening cadence of jackboots, I can hear the sirens and the water canons pushing enraged Christian protesters back from what will surely have a death toll higher that the Danish Mo-toons kerfuffle. I’m currently typing this while hiding in the sofa cushions amongst the pennies and peanuts. The angry Christians will never find me here…
But wait a minute. I forgot that it’s almost the 1st of May. It must be these people rioting again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOQfQjV4aTo&feature=related (Yes, I live a mere 15 minute walk away from Hamburg’s “Schanzenviertel.”)
Oops, no angry Christians, just more red shirt violence advocating Communist-Anarchy, fighting for the rights of the downtrodden working class. And of course, free beer. Happy International Workers’ Day and happy rioting! I guess it is safe to come out of the couch now.
Jesus was falsely accused of worse things than that. Christians are no strangers to blood libel, so we laugh at your pathetic blasphemes. What you’re doing is idiotic, but you’re only hurting yourself. Grow up.
This is moho sleazits by yet another name. With a slight variation – “you hypocrites…”
Come Kybers’s Oscar, deny it.
Whatever.
Oh good grief Grouch. How old are you?
While Christians are offended by the portrayals of Jesus as ____ [<--- fill in the blank] … That's life in the real world. As someone mentioned above, most Christians have a handle on the fact that God is better at taking care of himself than his people can.
Someone is free to put a crucifix in a jar of urine and make a buck in America, I am free to think he's an idiot and hasn't a clue — or even evil. But that freedom allows me to speak what I think ("Looks like he needs a meet up with JC") or say and do any of a number of other things.
Public funding paying for blasphemy or offense? Nope. That won't fly. (I think that's been fixed since the cow dung madonna showed up in Brooklyn?)
What is fascinating to me is how many Muslims have portrayed Mohammed — some in very beautiful ways — and how many Muslims have been mislead / misinformed about that.
Like all liberals, the grouch completely misses the point.
It’s the reaction of muslims that we are criticizing.
So what if someone criticizes you for posting these pictures. We have freedom of speech. Likewise, if the reaction of muslims had been to criticize those who published the Mohammed pictures, then that would have been the end of the story.
Instead, they are demanding that the pictures be taken down, and anyone who had anything to do with the pictures be punished, if not killed.
I doubt you will let yourself see the difference.
It cannot be forgotten that there were more than just death *threats*. There have been many very real murders.
In almost every case, the people murdered had nothing to do with the cartoons, but were merely Christian or Western. I mention this not to imply that murdering those involved with the cartoons would be justified, but to point out that the Muslims who murdered people believe in group guilt.
45 dead in Nigeria, 11 in Libya, 19 in Pakistan…and so on. The last total I saw was 139 dead, 800+ injured, and that count was from 2006.
Because in their belief, drawing is a sin, but murder is okay. And we’re to be ashamed for offending their beliefs.
Another facet of this that cannot be emphasized enough is that even if drawing Mo was forbidden by Islam, we are not Muslims. But clearly many Muslims will insist, even to the point of murder, that non-Muslims follow Islamic law. In our lands, in their lands, anywhere and everywhere on the planet. That’s the main lesson here to learn. There is no respect for our religions or laws or culture. Remember that if a part of you starts to think, “I’m all for free speech BUT, it’s just basic decency that we should be respectful of things that really offend others.”
YOU WILL BURN PAJAMAS MEDIA.
Speaking of threats, here’s “Jack”.
His buddies in CAIR and other Islamist groups in North America have a very specific agenda.
4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America: (1991)
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all
the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is
a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western
civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their
hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s
religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level
of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared
ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and
work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes,
and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to
slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be
equal.
Irony? Parody?
I’m not all sure Jack was bein’ serious here.
Let’s give him some time to tell us how he realllllllly feels.
Silence! I KEEL YOU!
I think 20. Jack was just trying to get someone to “burn pajamas media” as those the site iteself was a pair of those polyester childrens’ pajamas that California is always trying to make comply with their “can’t you see our state is almost always on fire” codes.
Apparently, my ALLCAPS triggering device must be broken,as I feel no urge to BURN PAJAMAS MEDIA. Perhaps if he used some sort of hypnotic device. Like a pocketwatch. Or Rohypnol.
Actually, formal and historic images HAVE been challenged. Wasn’t it just last year that the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC caved to pressure and removed an image of Mohammed?
Fairly recently, The Met put in storage most, if not all, of its Islamic collection, which was either a preemptive cowardly act or a cowardly act in response to pressure or threats.
In the same vein, some writer at Yale published a book all about the (infamous) cartoons that didn’t include the cartoons.
There was little stir in Denmark over the commissioned Mohammed cartoons until some, some months after they appeared in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten, a Danish imam carried them around the Middle East and included some vulgar drawings (I think viewable at zombietime) that hadn’t been published at all.
After which the Pakistanis et al. started burning Danish flags and rioting. (maybe they swore of Danish ham, too….Joke Alert
)
Anyway, the imam himself intentionally stirred up the brouhaha leading to the riots, made a very specific effort that those cartoons got a wide viewing among Muslims all over the world.
Well, before there was not such an easy way of accessing the drawings so they could not be viewed by the majority of people. Television and the internets
have taken care of that. I wonder how many ‘regular’ people would have been able to figure out that the drawing that they saw of the guy with the turban was of Mo and not just another ruler who liked to be immortalized. Not many. By regular I don’t mean those who could actually read, who had access to such a variety of books and who had the desire and means to look for those books. I mean the rest, the majority of the population. Also this is definitely propaganda to easily inflame those who should be kept busy by looking inside their neighbour’s yard to stop from seeing the situation in their own.
The fact that he has done this for freedom o speech and how he has managed to weather all the negativity, he derives from it, is impressive to me. I agree that the freedom of speech does not guarantee the freedom of not feeling offended. It almost guarantees the opposite.
By the depictions, I can see why Mohomo was a child molester. So damned fugly that no woman in her right mind would want to do the horizontal mambo with him without being forced to. How loverly!
What? No Bachi boys in any paintings? Homosexuals are evilllllll (well, except for those Muslim dudes that rape boys and then blame the boys)!
While it may be a little off topic, that part about blaming the rape victim is definitely true. I visited Morocco last year, and all westerners were all warned that the practice of raping other men and then taunting the victim for being homosexual is disturbingly widespread. Bachi boys are quite common in Afghanistan where many of the Pashtun adult males also engage in homosexual acts with each other while maintaining that they are not gay. In fact, women in Pashtun culture are considered dirty and heterosexual sex is reserved largely for procreation. Another phenomena that I found a little strange is that Moroccans do engage in a lot of heterosexual sex before marriage, but they have to restrict themselves to other means of gratification. Being as diplomatic and delicate as possible, let’s just say that it is definitely penetration and NOT what Lewinsky’s name became synonymous for. In the gulf nations where access to females is more severely restricted, most men’s first sexual encounter is with another male. A French woman started a campaign to warn westerners of this problem in the UAE after her 14 year old son was raped by three men and then THREATENED with prosecution for engaging in homosexual acts. All this occurs in places where homosexuality is a serious crime and women are expected to be virgins when they are married.
Surely, there is a cartoon or two to be squeezed out of this cognitive dissonance as well.
I think the less we see of him and his followers the better.
Do you know how it evolved that Muslims now think it is forbidden to display images of Mohammed? Has any timeline been made?
If it relates to a prohibition against idolatry, then isn’t the implication that Muslims have come to idolize Mohammed? Isn’t this prohibition a form of idol worship? If Mohammed is merely respected as the last prophet of God, then an image of him would not be idolatry. But if one believes he is God-like, and substitutes a worship of him and his life for worship of God, then …
spot on Perpetua!
btw I like your name; is it possible you took it from St. Perpetua who was martyred in Carthage in 202?
What your doing now offends everyone muslim in the world so why are you doing it? Are you trying to get killed?
What, are you some kind of racist? Are you implying that Muslims are violent? Why are you insulting Muslims with your outrageous insinuations?
Please think twice before making racist comments in the future.
Yes, yes we think Muslims are violent. I’ve read your unholy Koran and seen for myself how violent Islam really is. St. Paul, a real prophet of God, cursed your false prophet and all like him, who would preach salvation by any means but the cross and resurrection of Jesus. I honestly believe that Mohammed was the second-biggest piece of scum who ever lived, coming in right behind Judas. Yes, because of the abominations he preached that survive to this day, Mohammed was a more destructive man than Chairman Mao. Yea, even worse than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined.
Um, myth buster, not to pick nits or anything, but you do realize that Mohammed and Islam didn’t exist in St. Paul’s day, don’t you? So, while he could have cursed and condemned prophets of violence, Mohammed wouldn’t have been among them.
Of course, I’m not a mind reader, but my guess is that mythbuster meant that St. Paul condemmed all false prophets. I’m sure he knows that Islam did not yet exist and that St. Paul didn’t directly call out Mohammed. But, the first time I read his post, I thought the same thing! Mythbuster – that was not all that articulate… but I think we get what you meant
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SILENCE!
I KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL YOU!
Really. Silence!
I KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL YOU!
“ Ree Lin Quish
What, are you some kind of racist? Are you implying that Muslims are violent? Why are you insulting Muslims with your outrageous insinuations?
Please think twice before making racist comments in the future.”
Huh? What “race” are/is all Muslims again?
Be good to heed your own advise I see.
Hey yo, for the guy what said “think twice” well sir I did, in fact I thought several times about insulting musimaniacs & guess what……..y’all fanatical islamofacists can put up mo-ham-head’s spot where the sun don’t shine. Comprende? Fahampt kayf? Ya feelin’ me? Oh yeah, before I forget—husbee illah allayk—homar
I’m trying to think of something rude and witty to say to Visitor, but I can’t, so I’ll proceed to draw a picture of Mohammed.
0—– This is Mohammed sleeping.
0 This is Mohammed taking a walk.
[]
/ |
0 This is Mohammed sitting quietly in prayerful meditation.
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None of these sketches is intended to be disrespectful to Mohammed. There is NOTHING in the Koran which prohibits me or anyone else from making similar depictions.
However, radical Muslims will happily kill me for making these drawings? What is WRONG with you people???
…in Afghanistan where many of the Pashtun adult males also engage in homosexual acts with each other while maintaining that they are not gay. In fact, women in Pashtun culture are considered dirty and heterosexual sex is reserved largely for procreation.
The only good thing the Taliban did in Afghanistan (if the word good and Taliban can appear in the same sentence) after taking over the place prior to 911 was suppress Pashtun exploitation of young boys.
Mothers and fathers, if you can believe it, actually sell their boy children to aged Pashtun molesters who turn them into dancing boys, for their entertainment, and worse.
Hey, even evil has standards.
Zombie. So basically, you’re saying that you deleted my post, and then posted it with your response right under it, warning others not to respond to it. I see, yes, brilliant argumentation technique. By which I mean, no argumentation technique at all.
Oscar, stop embarrassing yourself. Let it go.
No you Meshugana, read Zombie’s reply more carefully before stepping in the doggie doo. Your ORIGINAL post had TOO MANY LINKS and would have been automatically filtered and NOT posted at all.
Zombie SAVED your post by simply editing down your list of links a bit. That’s the sum total he did — and it was to HELP you dip-dong, not hurt you.
You may not have liked his reply, but he most certainly did NOT “delete” your post. Oy Gevalt!
You can get killed for far more trivial matters than drawing a picture of the pedophet mo. I remember reading some months ago about a guy drinking tea from a cup reserved for the followers of mahound. Hell, you can get killed for even less than that. For just looking on a muslim, that could sometimes be the only excuse they need to have you snuffed out.
I’m also having difficulty finding your links to Jesus getting fellated–because there are none. Typical zombie argumentation technique. By which I mean, sheer fabrication and mendacity.
The direct link, which Zombie supplies in Zombie’s second response to comment Nº 4 above, took me to the cartoon in less than a second: here’s the link again, oscar, clickable and copyable: http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/jesus_mohammed.jpg.
“I’m also having difficulty” I’ll say.
“finding” a partner to help relieve frustration? Might I suggest Nolongerlonely.com, a sight that specializes in finding love for people with a history of psychological problems. I’m not trying to judge, I’m just saying.
“your links” are in Zombie’s response under the number 4, as he said.
“to Jesus getting fellated–because there are none.” I checked the link. It is active and worked just fine.
“Typical zombie” ARRGHH, BRAINS! (Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)
“argumentation technique.” Is a service that I provide professionally to businesses to better prepare them for negotiations. The free version, in a nutshell, is as follows. Evidence + Assumptions = Conclusion. When attempting to weaken someone’s argument, a key strategy is to find the assumptions that underline their conclusion and try to weaken them somehow. Take your post #18 for example. There are several faulty assumptions that underly your conclusion, namely that the responses of message posters would be violent and prove that 1. the posters are just as intolerant as the people they are lampooning and 2. “this website and all who take it seriously” are, in your words, “full of crap.” For expediency’s sake, and also because I’m not on the clock, let’s take a quick look at number 2. This is often called a “silver bullet” assumption, meaning that one misstep can prove your argument, thus providing you with a one-hit knockout. In the real word, things are usually more complex. Let’s look at this assumption. Is it really logical to say that a bad reaction to your posts would mean the ENTIRE website and ALL of the people who take it seriously have no value? This is an assumption that can easily be proven wrong by noting that it is out of scope. Even if someone reacted in an intolerant fashion, does it really detract from the intolerance described in this quite lengthy post? No, not really. It only proves that someone intolerant posted something they shouldn’t have. This would have no bearing on the other articles on this website, or the information found here. Thus, your assumption, that you would remove the stone that would make the pyramid crumble is false, meaning that your conclusion is also false. That is how argumentation technique works.
“By which” is not the best way of connecting these two thoughts. I could go into detail, but hey. It’s my job and I’m in my pajamas.
” I mean”, Wow, this is really going somewhere now. I expect a nice clarification of your argument to follow. Let me pop some popcorn.
“sheer fabrication” can you provide examples? I think the problem is that you are not absorbing everything you read. For example, Zombie noted that he had to “rescue your comment from the spam filter”, since the jumble of links told a computer programme that you were probably trying to sell us Viagra. Your response is a bit off base. You said “so basically, you’re saying that you deleted my post, and then posted it with your response right under it, warning others not to respond to it.” 1. No, he took it out of the spam filter and placed it here; he obviously did not delete it. 2. I didn’t see any warning by Zombie not to respond to it. It really just sounds like you’re mad because you got schooled.
” and mendacity.” is really the same thing as fabrication, when you take a step back. You are saying that he has said something untruthful about you. I wish I could end on a funnier note, but I guess I’ll just ask you for proof.
Kudos to you Zombie, I admire your stance on this. For individuals to threaten murder, rape, beatings and eternal damnation in the name of “peace” is so pathetic it should be beyond parody. It really does beg the question…is it a religion or a mental disorder for some people? Muslims need to get their house in order and start filtering out the scum who use their religion as an excuse to commit crimes.
In the meantime, God bless free speech!
I think one explanation would be that many of these people are incapable of understanding what they read or wilfully and mischievously choose to interpret what they read.
A good example of this is post Nº 28 from oscar le grouche. After Zombie rescued a post from being automatically deleted, and observed that the prediction therein was demonstrably erroneous, oscar le grouche responded:
Well, unless “basically” now mean “not”, oscar le grouche has proven that he cannot understand simple English statements (unless he feign such stupidity for satirical purposes). Of course, conditional clauses are even harder for such semi-literate people to comprehend.
You may encounter this sort of conversation all over the English-speaking world:
It is, unfortunately, becoming more and more common (even within English departments of universities, and in the White House) to see a similar level of illiteracy among people who laughably claim to be smart and articulate.
Sorry, for “choose to interpret” above please read “choose to misinterpret”.
[Unless the moderator can fix it for me.]
Not all religions are equal. That is just another facet of PC thuggery and Hegelian manipulation. Islam is and always has been an imperialist death cult. It has no equivalency with Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity or Judaism and no validity as a moral code. As proven, comprehensively, by those who embrace it and the hellpits masquerading as nation states that they infest.
Yes Oscar the link to Jesus receiving head is there now let me guide you to where it is since you can’t seem to ind it yourself. Go to response #4, now, scroll down to Zombies second comment in that response. THERE IS A BIG BLUE UNMISSABLE LINK TO THE SAID PICTURE. Now is there anything else you need me to do for you before I leave?
What is making my eyebrows raise about Oscar the shill is his fascination with fellatio. He seems awfully desperate to get through that link.
Repression can do that.
Great post, Zombie. I still have to find a flaw in your logic. So far, I am agreeing 100% with all of your reasoning. (Damn, I sound like a fan boy, but I’ll post it anyway).
Indeed, Tony R. Too bad you people don’t give a rats a$$, unless its Muslims doing it.
A Texas university class production of “Corpus Christi,” by Terrence McNally, below, has been canceled by college officials citing “safety and security concerns for the students” as well as the need to maintain an orderly academic environment, The Austin Chronicle reported. “Corpus Christi,” Mr. McNally’s 1998 play depicting a gay Jesus figure, was scheduled to be performed on Saturday as part of a directing class at Tarleton State University in Stephenville, Tex. But early on Friday, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst condemned the performance, saying in a press release that “no one should have the right to use government funds or institutions to portray acts that are morally reprehensible to the vast majority of Americans.” Although Tarleton’s president, F. Dominic Dottavio, first defended the students’ right to perform a play he considered “offensive, crude and irreverent,” university officials changed course late Friday night, canceling the performance after receiving threatening calls and e-mail messages, according to The Star-Telegram.
A Fort Worth theater that had agreed to show a student-directed play with a gay Jesus character has withdrawn its offer. The board of directors of Artes de la Rosa, which runs The Rose Marine Theater on North Main Street, decided Thursday against offering the venue for the production of Corpus Christi, just one day after saying it would. A March performance set for a directing class at Tarleton State University in Stephenville was abruptly canceled after the school received threatening emails
Nice catch, Zombie. Oh wait, you didn’t report on this. Never mind, same old bs–anti-Muslim bigotry disguised as social concern. God bless freedom of speech indeed. And we all know which God we’re talking about here.
Nice work Oscar – some good investigative digging going on there, well done. Any chance you could give a quick total of the deaths, beatings and rape that went with this story of Christian religious unhappiness? I bet the result is a nice round figure. Really round….something like 0 perhaps? Do you really see a moral equivalence here? Really? You utter twit.
You are really obsessed with this. It seems you really want to do Jesus. Or have Jesus do you. Whatever. Perhaps you have crush on Ted Neely and don’t know it.
oscar, did you notice what the lieutenant governor was angry about? It was the use of government funds to defame Christianity. He didn’t call for anyone to be murdered, or even for the play to be banned. I thought you liberals were for the separation of church and state. Doesn’t that also mean that the government should stay out of denigrating religion?
Exactly, oscar: Christians have learned that you cowardly little gerbils sneer contemptuously at peaceful attempts at reasoned discourse, but slip in your your own excrement kowtowing and apologizing when the apes and pigs of the Dar ul-Islime snarl at you.
Expect to see a lot more of this, now that people are beginning to realize that brutality is the only thing that works with progressive.
Re: 30: Typical Zombie. Bs. Unable to defend your argument, you resort to distorting my post. Hurray, for free speech indeed. What’s hilarious is that you assume that I support Muslims, or Achmadinijad. Nothing could be further from the truth. I hate these fundamentalists, probably more than you do. HOwever, I doubt that blinding yourself to your own culture’s problems, by obsessively focusing on the shortcomings of others is going to help things.
It’s amazing the way liberals are able to see things that nobody else can.
By the way, is this why I gave you my email address? So that you could slander me by falsifying my statements here?
Oscar, you come across as a guy who is in a touch-feely artsy-farts field, as logic seems to fail you every dang post. I am also surprised that some of the erudite commenters here did not see fit you correct you on this:
“ Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst condemned the performance, saying in a press release that “no one should have the right to use government funds or institutions to portray acts that are morally reprehensible to the vast majority of Americans.”” Do you notice the part about taxpayer financing? How could you possibly not even read the part that you cut and pasted into your own comment? It usually takes a number of people to be this dense, but you have surprised me.
The Christians at that school and the public had every reason to be p/o’d about their taxes going to something like that. It would be the same if the cartoons of Uncle Mo were drawn and published using taxpayer money. I would hope all of your astute detractors on this page would agree. Maybe there is no Golden Rule in Islam as there is in Christianity, so that would explain why you can’t imagine the shoe being on the other foot.
As a matter of fact, US taxpayer funds should not be used to fund any art at all, even the stuff that you can make out, and even the stuff that is made without any human bodily fluids.
That’s actually the real problem with that going-on in that Texas college, as who decides what should be shown – usually some artsy-fartsy people like yourself at the NEA in Washington. Most of them are not Christians, I’m sure. However, that’s not the basic problem. The basic problem is that their agency is unconstitutional along with 80% of the rest of that hole we call Washington.
(Folks, if this posted twice, I am sorry – I am not sure if there is a big delay, or it just didn’t take, so I’m trying it again.)
They don’t have a “golden rule”; therein lies the problem.
They do have a golden rule, only theirs goes like this:
Give me all the gold.
My husband did some remodel work for a Muslim couple recently.
My husband came to the conclusion that the marriage must have been ‘arranged’ because the couple were night/day and the woman wore the pants and the man lost his job at a 7/11 and was taking care of the kids and from what my husband gathered was a bit ‘touched’.
I asked my husband, “Did she always wear her head covering?” He said, “No.” I said, “Did she bare her hair in front of you in private?” He said, “Yes”. I said, “See? Muslims in America are really not living by Islamic rule but by tired old customs that they shake off in a heart-beat without compunction, especially around westerners who don’t know traditions and therefore ‘punishments’.”
There are some interestlingly disturbin threads running through the hate mail
One is the repeated threats to rape Zombies, wife, mother, sister or daughter, or declarations that Z commits incest witgh the above; it’s practically obsessional, and demonstrates a pathological attitude toward sexual ownership of female family members.
The other one is the assumption on the part of some, chiefly from Europe and especially Britain, that they can go to the police and have the website taken down. Is that possible in Britain? Even if not, it’s a sorry thing that British residents can even assume that it is.
I do not understand…none of us here are computer savvy perhaps. What threads or hate mail are you talkin’ about
Yes, it is possible in Britain to get a Web site shut down for fairly trivial reasons, simply by complaining to some authority that the site “hurts community cohesion” or something like that. Happens all the time, unfortunately. They don’t have a Bill of Rights over there. But of course that only applies to sites hosted in Britain — not to sites hosted overseas. I imagine the commenters’ fantasies of getting zombietime shut down unceremoniously get flattened by the falling grand piano of reality: Laws in Britain (or Pakistan or Turkey or the Caliphate) don’t apply in America. Fancy that.
the qoran is not about religion at all it more cult like? and seem’s to be a manofesto writin for wold domination!
Actually, Islam was an interesting experiment. People do bad things. Why? People do bad things, even when they know they are bad, and feel awful afterwards. How can they stop? The solution offered by Islam is external control. It is their idea that only a Totalitarian (Islamic) state can provide the threat of punishment needed to stop people from doing bad things. It is called Islam (peace) because the theory is that when the entire world is under the iron fist of a global Islamic state, then no one will do bad things anymore, and there will be peace.
The flaw in this is similar to the flaw in Socialism. The leaders of said Islamic state have no one to keep *them* from doing bad things.
In listening to A-mad-jihad of Iran, I seem to detect a version of Islam that is more similar to Marxism. He seems to be saying that the goal of Jihad is *not* to bring about a global Islamic state directly, but to destroy the entire world in flames – which will usher in the 12th Imam. (The goal of Marxists is to destroy the current system so that a better one can take it’s place. I personally think Obama is a Marxist, not a Socialist.) The acquisition of nuclear weapons would certainly seem to be an important step toward that goal.
well since Islam teaches beating wives and children,but not the face…and it teaches it is ok to marry a girl 9 or 10 years of age..it’s also acceptable to have sex with boys….hmmm isn’t that the same teachings of Tony Alamo?? and he is in prison,so legally speaking Islam can not be practiced in this country,and by the U.S. definition of what a cult is ,Islam is a cult….seems a lot of people have drank to much kool-aid ,for centuries……
Laws in Britain (or Pakistan or Turkey or the Caliphate) don’t apply in America. Fancy that.
Obama’s not done yet.
Re: 35 + 36 Oscar
Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I haven’t been logged in here since about 2:30pm.
I don’t alter people’s comments — never have, never will. If someone altered your comment (added a link? Is that it?), it wasn’t me. Around 35 people at PJM have the admin password and moderate comments — could have been any one of them having fun with you, I guess. I imagine you’ve made a lot of friends here over the years.
As for the Jesus blowjob link that you mysteriously couldn’t find — it’s right there in my reply to comment #4. In fact, here it is again. Can you find it now?
You’re making typical off-topic comments that have nothing to do with this post. Setting up strawmen — some play in Texas getting cancelled? ??? — and conflating me and the commenters here with the Christians in Texas. Sorry. Not that it has anything to do with medieval pictures of Mohammed, but I don’t think the play should have been cancelled. You have me confused with a social conservative.
What you hate about this topic is that people you erroneously imagine to be your political opponents (i.e. people like me) are taking the morally correct side of an important argument, whereas the people you politically identify with (left-wingers) are the suicidal cowardly multiculturalists who take the immoral side by bowing to Muslim demands for fear of being called racist, and thereby greasing the tracks for our society to plunge into religious totalitarianism. It can be frustrating to be identified with the villains in a morality play.
How about this: Stop arguing with me and realize that we all should be on the same side here. Then you won’t feel so bad any more. Neither of us wants religious fundamentalism to control society. Your endless twisting of things only ends up making you look like you’re abetting the Muslim fundamentalists. To paraphrase Orwell: Attacking those who resist Islamization is objectively aiding the Islamic side. Whether you want to admit it or not.
Zombie,
I replied to:
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/04/30/south-park-is-the-least-of-islams-problems-the-mohammed-image-archive-displays-every-mohammed-portrait-ever-created/#comment-3106
And my comment went through right away (because you have my comments unmoderated), but. then, my comment was removed?
I wish I knew what I said that caused my comment to get scrubbed?
In other words:
Is this a ‘tech’ issue rather than a ‘censor’ issue?
Delia, do you really have to leave 30 comments on every thread? Dear God. Read the article, think about it. Take a long ride on a motor bike. Wonder aloud, “Do I really need to post another comment? Does this discussion require yet another *winking* emoticon?”
Then come back and contribute one concise, intelligent thought. Or don’t.
Please show me where I’ve left ’30′ comments on EVERY GD thread, doof! What? Should I use a bazillon different MONKERS like you to appear less ‘wordy’, asshat?
Delia, sorry, I have no idea. Remember, though my essays get posted at PJM, I am not an editor here, so I don’t have full admin powers, nor do I approve most of the comments nor set the moderation settings. I only have the ability to check for comments awaiting moderation for my own posts, and I generally only do so a couple of times in the hours after first posting them. Most of the time, the people who actually work at PJM (in the office and/or as editors) are the ones keeping on top of and approving comments (or in this case apparently, unapproving them, if that’s what happened).
So, I don’t what happened to your comment, nor why. Sorry! Wish I could have something to say on the issue, but I’m as in the dark as you (or maybe even more in the dark, since I don’t know what the comment was about in the first place). Tech problems, legal issues, inattentiveness, random glitch? Who knows. I will say however that twice this month on my posts, two of my own comments failed to appear on the thread, and I could never figure out why not nor where they disappeared to. I suspect some kind of minor glitch. If I had to guess, it’s that at any given moment, there are probably several different PJM staffers or editors logged in, and perhaps if they are clicking on different moderation buttons simultaneously, it causes the blog software to hiccup. Other than that — your guess is as good as mine!
I’ll blame it on myself (I’ve been *cough* known to say things that annoy EVERYONE off).
Thank you for the reply, Zombie. I just wish I knew what the heck I said that was offensive because I say so MANY offensive things. lol
Oscar, you are making a fool of yourself. What you quoted above was about people objecting to tax dollars being used to insult their beliefs. To the extent that anyone threatened someone else to cancel the play they were in the wrong but it isn’t like we have Christians running amok killing people for religious reasons all of the time. Quite the opposite really.
I am an atheist so I don’t have a contestant in the invisible man sweepstakes but even a cursory attempt to compare the lives of Jesus and Mohamed will show there is no moral equivalency between the two. If Christians threaten others over a play then they are violating their teachings. If Muslims kill people for insulting their prophet then they are following their teachings. Is that really so difficult to understand or are you more interested in debating some caricature of Zombie (or possibly of conservatives) you have created in your own mind that doesn’t exist in the real world?
Acknowledging that some religions are more tolerant and beneficial than others doesn’t mean you have to subscribe to them.
Delia, you might be right but on the other hand, in her mind, she might have been flirting shamelessly with your husband. Next time make sure he has bacon on his breath before he goes to work.
I applaud your efforts, zombie, to push back at those who would attempt to cow and intimidate all of us non-Muslims into submission.
In Canada and Great Britain, Islamists have made great strides into free societies through threats and intimidation.
We currently have a US President who appears to want to present himself as an insider and an individual knowledgeable of and appreciative of Izz-lam, who wants to ingratiate himself with Arab countries (which Arabs undoubtedly find a little weird), a President who actually said, less than a year ago…
“If you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
And we have a compliant press who didn’t laugh him out of the ballpark, for that remark and so many others.
I have another comment, thought I feel I have posted a bit much and don’t really want to wear out my welcome. Since I am Jewish and have lived in France, I thought I had heard every conspiracy theory that there was out there, but Saber K.’s e-mail is truly original. I did a bit of poking around on the interwebs and found several sights claiming that the atomic bomb was a “Jewish bomb” since many of the creators were indeed Jewish. There were quite a few conspiracy theories linked to the idea, most of it old hat by now (such as saying Jews accepted to be killed to guilt the world into giving them Palestine), regarding Jewish bankers controlling the world, how almost all world leaders including Popes are secretly Jews, but I have never heard that Nagasaki was attacked to destroy the “BIGGEST AND BOOMING CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY IN ASIA.” This one is entirely new to me, and that is an incredibly difficult feat. Was there a huge population of Christians in Nagasaki? Sounds doubtful. And besides, if killing Christians was the point, why not drop the bombs on Rome? Why drag the bomb half way around the world to launch it in a city to destroy Christians?
But wait, the fun doesn’t stop there. I re-read the e-mail again and found another one that I can also find no information about: namely, that Scandinavian satellites have “a jews name.” (I wanted to watch the football match, but Moishe 2 is down and I lost my transmission?)
I have to say that I am impressed. Not one, but TWO conspiracy theories I’ve never heard before. Has anyone else heard any variations of these two conspiracy theories before? Let it never be said that the French have lost their creative touch.
If Nagasaki was selected because of its Christian population, and I do not concede that it was, then it was chosen so that blood bought and redeemed Christians would die in the place of condemned heathens to bring a swift end to the war. In short, let thousands of people go to Heaven instead of consigning thousands to Hell. Call them martyrs, if you wish, for that is what you are claiming they are. As for me, I reserve judgment on their motives for choosing Nagasaki until they be revealed by Christ.
So, there is a history of Christians and Muslims and Jews not liking each other and actually “acting out” hatred toward each other. Wow, what news….
Anyway, moving on…if we continue to hate and not continue to hate who will care? After all, you only care if you have to deal with it. Who the heck wants to deal with except for those that get the greatest fun out of it?….
Let em have fun…..thats what they really want… dont they?
How about some nice pix of Aisha, mother of all Muslims, and Muhammad’s wife from age six.
You don’t have to like South Park to understand that giving into physical threats allows the terrorist to dictate any and everything that can be said or seen or sung or filmed or represented in any way shape or form. It is completely unreasonable to think that anyone has the right to push their laws, beit religious criminal or civil, on people in other countries who do not subscribe to the same beliefs. The fact the terrorist uses fear and violence in order to control the behavior of everyone else.
So the terrorists have won. Often these threats and attempts are common place these days and are being given into constantly. One of the governments’ repetitious mantras is that we they will not be deterred, intimidated, or give in to the demands and threats against our country and its’ citizens. Another ubiquitous statement is that we will not change our lives because of fear, we won’t give into that fear, and that the terrorists cannot win. We decided to scrap to plans and let those who threaten and commit acts of violence dictate our rights to free speech. And this time it’s not the government that is censoring us; we are censoring ourselves.
The most recent example of this is the latest censoring of a South Park episode which was carefully written with these new rules in mind. was submitted and immediately censored by Comedy Central who aired the reworked material once and then pulled it from both the televising and web broadcasts of the show. When the creators of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, tackled the subject in a three part episode expounding on the topic of the censorship of Muhammad last season Comedy Central also decided to censor the image of Muhammad. The writers and creators made their point of the terrorists’ triumph by depicting Jesus, George W. Bush, and a pregnant woman throwing feces at each other and extolling on their indecent American values. No censorship was deemed necessary by any of these final images.
Hate mail, threats against artists and musicians, and aggressive picketing are and have been a mainstay since anyone can remember. Censorship by individuals and institutions such as book, music, art, pornography etc. have and continue to be the ever present weapons of some of those who do not agree with the materials and that is their right. However, when there is a change from railing against what has already been produced and created by someone and insisting that those individuals may not create it. The fact is that something can adversely affect the notions, value and morals of others should be immaterial. As citizens of this country we gave the right to say, do, and write whatever we want regardless of what the government or any group individuals feels about it.
So, they’ve won. It’s kind of like we have all become Muslim bit by bit. The terrorists decide what we can and can’t say and see. We now cannot show an image of Muhammad. The next thing to go are pork and shell fish will be illegal as we all are forced to become Kosher or else the Jews will start blowing shit up. We have been bullied us with threats of violence and it worked . The worst part is that we continue to allow this to happen
It is weird that you suspect Jews are going to start pushing Kashrut laws on the rest of the country by force. Where and how did you come to this conclusion? To be honest, it doesn’t really work that way. Religious Jews have 613 precepts they are supposed to follow; they range from circumcision, to maintaining certain traditions, and keeping kosher is a part of those laws. Non-Jews have only 7, the so-called Noahide laws. You will find only 1 dietary restriction in this list pertaining to animal cruelty. In the past, it was common for people to cut the leg off an animal, but keep the animal alive for later use. (This was well-before modern cooling techniques, such as refrigeration.) The one Noahide dietary law that applies to all mankind is this one forbidding the practice of sawing a chunk off of an animal that would be kept alive. This precept is generally expanded to prohibit cruelty to animals.
So, Jews don’t really care what you eat. I don’t really care what you eat. If you seriously think that Jews “will start blowing shit up”, such as suicide attacks on Piggly Wiggly chains, or taking over Boston’s “Legal Seafood” and beheading the chefs, then you have obviously confused us with somebody else. Relax and have some bacon.
EXCELLENT comment, Amphernee!
What cracks me up is how the lefty libs in LALA land (Hollyweird) are so AGAINST any type of censorship, yet they allow this. TOO TOO HYPOCRITICAL!!!!
Alas I lived in Morocco and was married to a muslim for 5 years until I came to my senses. Anyone who belives Islam means “peace” is totally wrong: Islam means “submit”. Comes from the word “slim”, submission, NOT “salaam”, which means peace.
The M term for Kosher is Halal. They aren’t allowed to consume any food that is not certified Halal.
It is one of the biggest market in the food business, don’t know if the Muslim entrepreneur summit the president called in DC(?) recently had anything to do with that.
Does anyone know if the statement by O in #41 by tanstaafl is true?
“If you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
Have heard it quoted elsewhere that they are the no. 2 religion in the US today.
But even if it were not, look at what they have been doing at the Capitol -
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/04/video-muslims-convert-us-capitol-into-mosque.html
By the time America’s Nick Clegg publicly declares the country should let Islam prayer calls ring out in loudspeakers in towns and cities across the land, it will already be too late. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/170893/General-Election-2010-Nick-Clegg-says-Let-Islam-prayer-call-ring-
Without doing much research on the matter, I would go ahead and preemptively say that it is not true, especially with regards to percentage of our population. OK, I couldn’t resist. Here is a wiki link showing dispersal of Moslim populations throughout the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population The United states, as some would claim, has upwards of 7 to 8 million Moslims by some accounts, but these are most certainly inflated by a magnitude of 2 – 3x. The largest religious groups will be Christian, followed by Jewish I suspect, with Islam coming in somewhere above Hindus and Buddhists. An old figure I saw somewhere a few years ago also noted that 2/3rds of American Moslims are African-Americans and more affiliated with Nation of Islam than any other more widely recognized Muslim groups. While NoI are considered Moslim in Saudi Arabia, they have some off-the-wall racial beliefs that are unique to them.
An interesting note about helal and kosher foods; I read once, though I don’t know how accurate it is, that the vast majority of certified kosher foods in the US are bought by Moslims. (90% was the figure quoted if memory serves me correctly.) There is a statement made by Mohammed somewhere saying that Moslims are allowed to eat everything that Jews eat. (This obviously does not include alcohol, since all alcohol is considered haram, meaning “not permitted.) This means that meat that is not ritually slaughtered in the Moslim way but is slaughtered the Jewish way is also considered helal. In some parts of Europe, Moslims will purchase meat from Jewish butchers because of all of the scandals involving falsely certified helal meat. (Even though it doesn’t work in the other direction, many Jews who do not keep strictly kosher will purchase meat from certified Turkish butchers but not from general supermarkets.)
From my experience, very few Moslims in Germany keep a strict helal diet. It is rare to find someone here even amongst the most secular that will eat pork, but McDonald’s is usually full of younger Turks who have no problem eating non-helal beef. Despite this, I am actually surprised that some very large employers in Germany do not offer a helal meat/vegetarian main meal in their cantines. This reflects a general attitude in the German population that immigrants, even if they are third or fourth generation, are actually guest workers. As a result, there is very little effort to market to Turks in any meaningful way. I’ve said it before on message boards at PM; the integration problem in Germany, and subsequent rise of political Islam, is fueled largely by statist economic controls and not by importation of Wahabi beliefs from the Saudis. Many Imams in Germany are brought in directly from Turkey and are not really able to connect with German born Moslims in any meaningful way, meaning that many German Moslims know practically nothing about Islam at all.
Majority muslims are ignorant of islam,islam’s history and mohammad’s life; that is why they go into “apoplectic fury” when they see something that does not match there mental image of nice islam and nice mohammad.
But in fact they should be thankful to zombie and pajamasmadia.com and other websites like it to
learn the facts about islam and consider it a therapy for their apoplexy.
In my comments I often quote Bible 1John2:22 – the one that denies the Father and the Son is the
antichrist the liar and allah,islam,mohammad,muslims,quran all deny and condemn the belief in the
Father and the Son; and therefore are all Liars and believe in the lies like moses and jesus were
muslims or prophets of allah who claims to be the best in deceit or “makar” in arabic(quran3:54).
Thanks zombie and pjm; keep up the good work.
Zombie. I see your problem is one that extends to your readership. A)You don’t take responsibility for the things that happen in your purview. You actually choose to post in a space where the editors distort the statements of others–they do so without your knowledge or consent, apparently. It doesn’t seem to bother you. That’s an amazing admission, actually, for someone who stalks school-children in the hopes of discovering malfeasance in a privately funded school program. There are a lot of right-side posters I don’t often agree with–the Volkov Conspiracy and Patterico, for example. But they’re capable of presenting cogent arguments in the defense of their ideas, and would be embarrassed to claim that they have no control over what happens to their own comments section. Seriously, whoa.
B) You don’t understand simple English. A link is either an address, or a touch-link that brings the user to the address. This is what you wrote:
Also, if you don’t like seeing Jesus in a negative setting, you may want to stay away from the Extreme Mohammed page, because it features several images involving Jesus — getting a blowjob from Mohammed, etc.
That is not a link, nor is it what you just linked to; that image doesn’t jump out at me on the first page of that site, I have no idea where it really is. Really, I’m just getting warmed up here. I can hand you your A$$, all day long.
Oscar, have you ever considered anger management classes? Or perhaps some mild medication? It would make a world of difference on your outlook.
Oscar your response above is the classic Lib white flag of surrender. On losing the argument, switch to ad hominem.
Your ‘argument’ is to grab at straws unrelated to the topic here, like ‘stalking children’ or placing a link.
Your fear of discussing this thread’s topic says all we need to know about whatever argument in support of radical Islam you can’t cook up.
Oscar:
Point A: So Zombie put an article up at a site that has occasional comment problems…so what? Obviously, negative comments are getting through or else we wouldn’t have seen yours. As for stalking schoolchildren, that’s a bit of a nonsequitor, isn’t it?
Point B: The link to the Mohammed Image Archive works, and contains the images indicated. And it takes quite a long time to load, but contains all those “offensive” images listed. You may have to page down to get to them–but that’s not exactly onerous.
Now, what exactly is your point? You seem to be moving the goalposts a lot.
Is it that Christians are as violent about images of Jesus as Muslims are about Mohammed? That is obviously untrue.
Oscar, you need to go back into your garbage can and come back with a coherent argument if you want to be taken seriously.
Otherwise, you’re just a silly little troll. And I won’t let you in my store with Big Bird until you learn to play well with others.
oscar le grouche
It’s difficult to discern one’s reasoning powers through one or two posts on a blog. You however have been claiming over a several hour period that you have difficulty finding the homosexual depictions of Jesus in the Mohammed Image Archive. I found the pictures within 60 seconds. You still haven’t found them. They’re there. The problem lies with you. As one other poster to this site told you, “Give it up”. You’re not sharp enough to spar with the average poster to this site.
Brilliant reply, Mark! It’s true: Oscar is in way over his “head”.
i used to maintain muhammad drawing groups on facebook, i have hundreds of death threats and hate mail screen shotted and saved, and it is a universal theme for muslims sending hate mail to talk about fucking/raping/otherwise violating sexually their targets mothers, sisters, fathers, brothers. They cant let it go. Almost every message i would get (and apparently most messages zombie gets) would mention derogatory sexual things about my family, often threats about how muslims will rape them when they get a hold of me.
it only proves that the deep seated sexual repression inherent to followers of islam manifests itself in a myriad of vile and violent ways. kufr, keep your daughters away from muslim men
Yes, exactly true. Unfortunately I was married to a muslim for 5 years, luckily I escaped alive. I’ve got tons of stories about their distorted, sociopathic views/way of life.
The forces of darkness have not won. The miracle of the internet attests to this. In fact the louder they protest and threaten, the more irascible the American people become. Sunlight is the birth mother of freedom. Just ask Thomas Paine. There are many things in our society that one person or another dislikes or is offended by. Flag burning, Jesus portrayed in urine, pornography, etc. But the American society accepts the simple right of free speech as being the cornerstone of free thought. Its part of our DNA.
Think about this… The internet for commercial purposes really only began its influence in 1997. Only 13 years ago. Free thought once the playground of the old media and those who owned the old media is now more free than ever because anyone with an internet connection can express their thoughts from anywhere. When one individual is cowed or silenced by threats,like the former author of the “draw mohammad day”,ten more appear. Whack-a-mole gone viral.
So whack away forces of darkness, sooner or later the freedom moles will have so completely eaten away the foundations of your cause that your house will collapse and then eat the very hammer you think you have. Keep up the good work zombie.
I wouldn’t host a mirror because I don’t think I have the bandwidth but I would share some of my bandwidth hosting the archive in a torrent. I think that a lot of people would. At that point the nature of the game changes. You regularly zip up your archive and post it as a torrent. If you’re some lone, infidel whack job, anybody looking at your torrent will see a couple of people sharing and understand how marginalized you are. If you (as I think you would) have hundreds or even thousands of people sharing the archive, it will not only help fix your bandwidth issues but also would provide a perpetual, live statement of support that people can easily share. Just leave your bittorrent client up and share the archive and you’ve struck a small blow for freedom, easy peasy.
Once again ZOMBIE you knock it out of the park! Great job, keep it up!
Grouche, you are handing no one their a$$; rather you are showing your own, and it ain’t pretty. You have beclowned yourself so severely and repeatedly on this thread that the greasepaint jar on your dresser must be empty.
You obviously are a willfully selective reader, and have selected to not read Zombie’s reply to comment #4, where (s)he posted the link you deny was ever posted, nor to read comment #39, where Zombie helpfully posts the same link yet again for you. But the rest of us can read them, and can recognize that what you are full of is neither logic nor reason nor rationality, nor even cohesiveness or cogency.
Warmed up? No; more like warmed-over moronic imbecilic idiocy.
Really fundamental question: aren’t the muslims flirting with of idolatry b/c they treat Muhammad with the respect that should be reserved for God?
Thank you Zombie,
and thank you trolls: it is REALLY amusing to see the lefties gather in defense of the most fanatical cult ever existed in history, and in defense of a totalitarianism that is even more dangerous than marxist fascism.
Now, now, Sherab Zangpo; oscar le grouche isn’t a troll. He just likes to live under bridges and eat children…;~)
“That is not a link, nor is it what you just linked to; that image doesn’t jump out at me on the first page of that site, I have no idea where it really is.”
I’m sorry, I just have to help oscar the troll here. Oscar, that isn’t a link because that isn’t a link. Scroll your technologically blind self down to Zombie’s SECOND response to #4. The links are there.
Now stop you can stop making a fool of yourself. You are like a man hunting for where his glasses are while the whole time the are on top of his head.
Zombie since you are responsibly frequenting the comments I want to thank you for several years of topnotch work that has always made my day. I first read your site in 2000 when my .com had an office on Mission and 16th. During a heat wave the smell of evaporating urine wafting up from the pavement forced us to leave the building. Then I stumbled upon your site to find I was not the only one who had strong (as in stomach-churning) feelings about the Bay Area.
In the early days you were one of the very few around, and probably the only one who got out there in the trenches and gave us all a shocking closeup. Years before the emergence of the conservative blog you put a helluva lot of time and effort into material that stands the test of time. For probably no money – just the reward of doing the right thing for your country.
It is a great feather in Pajamas’ cap to get you on board here. I hope you have big plans for the future and that you’ll keep at it.
http://www.muhammad-cartoon.com/displayimage.php?pid=328&fullsize=1
Apparently the link no longer works. Tried it on Google Chrome and IE. Hmm…
49. Sherab Zangpo
It’s almost as if they share a sort of twisted common bond…
Immediately after 911 I got into it with the lefties and islamist fellow travellers in my local ISP community board and the lovies might as well have been the same ‘volk’. I suspect their spontaneous and automagical mutual defense-offense pact [has] had something to do with the constraints imposed by human nature and what said constraints may dictate with regard to the implementation of the totalitarian impulse.
For example: It is apparent that ideological loud and proud Lefties are intimately familiar with the methodology of Al-taquia even if they have no clue what the word represents.
I love how these very angry people also possess very few skills in the departments of grammar and spelling.
Totally takes the wind right out of it, for me, beyond credibility into hilarity.
These links might ‘splain:
You can’t fight STUPID
Fighting Terror Means Picking on the Low IQ
As mentioned, great piece Zombie. Thank you.
I would pay little/no mind to Oscar. His responses to my posts in the past are akin to ‘..you braindead..’.
Though I dare ask.. My being a college educated individual with no hand-up/ short cut/ and not appeasing to the Politically Correct/Affirmative Action God, obtaining success though still obtaining mere ‘brain-dead’ status. What is the title besieged to our CiC? ‘Zombie’ status?
Islam is not a religion, it is a systemic, foul disease.
ISLAM IS EVIL!
Just watch the PBS special on the Dancing Boys Of Afghanistan. Rich war lords dress up poor little boys from 8-13 like women. They then learn to dance for the men at parties. After the party, the boy is sold to the rich war lord so he can be raped in the ASS by sometimes more then one so called man!! The police are involved, the politicians are involved. How can WE win a war when people are this corrupt?
10 years ago, there was a million man march to Washington. Where is the million man/woman march on Islam? There is none and there will be none because MOST secretly and silently sit and say nothing because they agree with the extremists. THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!!! That’s why people are emotional here. That’s why some say things that inflame because when are WE going to stop the madness in the world?
Until Is(cum) changes, I will continue to piss on every mosque I see.
You are talking about Afghanistan. There are over a billion Muslim people in the world.
Do one billion Muslim people live in Afghanistan? No? Then why are you criticizing MUSLIMS with reference to AFGHANISTAN?
An example – America has invaded the middle east for the simple purpose of grabbing the necessary land for the pipeline that they are building. Troops are still there, guarding that pipeline from attack, which is a focal point for attacks from insurgents. (Insurgents, not terrorists – they’re not “spreading terror” in their own country.)
America is led by Christians (No, none of that fucking “Jews run everything!” madness that permeates uneducated Muslim dialog. I’m Muslim, I’m North American. I know what’s true.)
Therefore, All Christians are war mongering oil greedy bastards willing to kill thousands of innocent civilians and hundreds of their own soldiers in a war that they cannot win, because it was never a war to begin with, just an invasion.
Does that make any sense? No. That’s offensive to all the Christian people that I know, including my own brother. Yes, I have a Christian brother and i’m Muslim.
Stop generalizing. There are over 100 countries in the world, half of them led by Christian rulers who have fucked them up. There is no shortage of Christian dominated failed states. Blaming Muslims for Afghanistan is ignorant, nothing less.
grabbing land for a pipeline?
Way to discredit yourself before you even start.
Prove me wrong.
My being a college educated individual with no hand-up/ short cut/ and not appeasing to the Politically Correct/Affirmative Action God, obtaining success though still obtaining mere ‘brain-dead’ status.
Whoa, dude. If this is the level of writing skill obtained by a college graduate, then I can see clearly that no one needs any hand getting in, whatever your fantasies about being excluded. Seriously, you’re either lying, or our educational system is teetering on the brink.
Apparently the link no longer works. Tried it on Google Chrome and IE. Hmm…
Well, I’m sure that’s not Zombie’s fault. After all, every mistake or intellectual error it makes is somebody else’s responsibility.
Cartoons of rage cited in… New Mexico!
Daily Lobo: Prophet’s good nature won over the most steadfast of skeptics
Editor
http://www.dailylobo.com/index.php/article/2010/04/prophets_good_nature_won_overthe_most_steadfast_of_skeptics
Rather than becoming angry about the Daily Lobo cartoon that mocked the Prophet Muhammad, I will tell you about his noble character…
Muhajir Romero
UNM student
[Editor’s note: We didn’t intend to mock the Islamic faith. The way we read into it is the cartoon isn’t about Muhammad directly but about the issues surrounding his depiction. We just want to clarify that we were not intentionally trying to offend anyone and do not subscribe to Islamophobia.]
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Fantastic column, ZOMBIE!!!
Thanks for all of your hard work. Pajamas is lucky to have you.
I agree. Though perhaps too much space in the comments was wasted by one person who treated a certain link like the Island from Lost that seems to move itself about willy nilly, it was a great post and elicited a lot of reader interest. I have often thought about doing something similar in Germany, because some of the statements people make here can certainly rival any of the leftist tripe in the Bay Area with regards to complete disconnection from reality.
I am glad that Zombie is here as well and has found such a large audience. Keep up the good work!
First time on the site and I’m glad to have found it. Hilarious!!!!! I’m pissed at Comedy Central. Matt and Trey should start a South Park Channel. They would have a huge audience. Now I see clearly what the term moderate Muslim means. A Muslim with a dull knife or one that’s run out of ammunition…..oh and the MoMo illustrations are glorious……….
Hey Shit
I loved those letters. From now on, i’m going to start all my correspondence with “Hey Shit”. I hope Mom understands. Seriously, the archive is important work, great job!
Wasn’t the prohibition on images of Muhammad so that his icon was not worshiped and held above Allah? Isn’t the … fetishization…of images of Muhammad as beyond the pale (evidenced by the death threats of the “true” believers) in essence a form of icon worship of Muhammad and thus a placing him above Allah?
Muslims, like socialists, have no sense of irony.
Well, here’s what I don’t understand. I’m a Muslim living in North America – so all of this, where I live, isn’t really that big of a deal. Kind of like the eye of a hurricane. SO, I think i’m justified in saying that i’m a fan of South Park. Really, I found absolutely nothing offensive about that episode. I thought it was funny. Even the voice for Muhammed was very timid, for fear of making him violent sounding. It was comedy gold. What’s not comedy gold? Bombs for turbans. It’s not funny – I haven’t heard one person laugh when seeing it, Jew, Muslim, Christian or Hindu.
That being said, I hear a lot of people saying that “it’s free speech, it’s free speech!” I agree – the south park episode was free speech. That was agreeable – it wasn’t offensive in any way, and it was cool. I understand what they were doing. But when you draw bombs for turbans, and write that off as free speech? That’s not free speech – it’s hate speech. It’s baffling to me to see how nobody else picks up on this – if i have to draw a really bad comparison… If you think that this is okay, and that the Western media should defend their “right to insult”, as i’ve read on the comment archive for the Zombie site, then, why not draw the swastika? And put it on your door? And read Mein Kampf on the subway, while wearing a swastika patch?
Because it’s offensive. But surely not to everyone! I’m a muslim! that’s not offensive to me! So I should be able to do that right? No? BUT WHY?!
It’s offensive to CERTAIN PEOPLE.
Oh, you mean…jewish people? Well, shouldn’t we protect our right to insult them or poke fun at them? What if I read Mein Kampf…but I drew a happy face on the front? Or the swastika, with balloons for the ends?
No. That’s still offensive.
See where i’m going with this? I have nothing against parody – by all means, go forth. The Quran says nothing that I know of against depictions of the prophet Muhammed – but any two bit no nothing should be able to work out that HATE speech and FREE speech are not the same thing.
Genghis, you clearly don’t understand the concept of “free speech” at all.
Speech that does not offend anyone will never need to be defended, since it will never be challenged.
The freedom of expression that citizens in the Western world enjoy is ONLY meaningful in the context where a person attempts to silence another due to that person being “offended”.
There is no requirement for artistic merit or humor; clearly if we were to place requirements on the content then the “freedom” has been lost, no?
As for the bomb/turban sketch, I doubt the artist’s intent was to be humorous or even clever; drawing that was a political act done to demonstrate and defend our hard-won freedoms.
As long as Muslims continue to use violence and the threat of violence to influence the behavior of non-believers, there will be many in the West who feel compelled to resist by provoking with the pen. This is a tradition that we are proud of and will never give up. Think of it as our “jihad”, if you like, to defend these freedoms.
Islam is not being singled out unfairly – the specific teachings combined with the violent actions that are taken daily in the name of Islam today make it a target, not anti-Arab racism or anything like that. I can promise you that if Hindus were waging a violent campaign to get the rest of the world to stop eating beef (the cow being sacred to their faith) then we would very quickly see things like “Eat a steak for freedom day”. I have no interest in religion and there is not a racist bone in my body, but I see Islam as a threat to all of the values that I hold dear. Until there is an Islamic reformation that makes this religion compatible with the modern, free world, the situation will continue to deteriorate, because I can proudly say we will never submit (For those who do not know, “Islam” means “submission” and the often-heard claim that “Islam is a religion of peace” refers to the Islamic utopia of the global caliphate, where peace will supposedly flower as a result of Islamic domination. This is not peace at all, but a call to war.
I sincerely hope that thoughtful Muslims like yourself will help enact this long-overdue reformation. Only after Islam teaches its followers to reject violence and abandon the goal of world domination will it deserve the respect that even atheists like myself give willingly to EVERY other religion in the world today.
You’re not understanding my point at all. I know what free speech is – I live in North America, and i’d DIE to defend my right to say what I want, where I want, about whatever it is that I want. However, there’s a difference between saying what I want, and saying what I want to offend other people.
“As for the bomb/turban sketch, I doubt the artist’s intent was to be humorous or even clever; drawing that was a political act done to demonstrate and defend our hard-won freedoms.”
Our hard won freedoms? Yes. We worked hard to get the freedoms that we have today. I’m damn well proud of the way that we fought against communism and destroyed fascist ideology. But why is it NECESSARY to attack a religious group by way of deliberate antagonization to prove that we can have freedom of speech?
My argument is not a difficult one to understand.
A person drew an antagonizing cartoon, with a bomb as a turban (which is fucking retarded, because of the fact that Muslims don’t wear turbans – the only Eastern Asian i’ve ever seen with a turban was Punjabi.) with the intent to show that the freedom of free speech is still ours.
A person drew an antagonizing cartoon, with a picture of the swastika on a man with a Hitler mustache, holding the Torah, with the intent to show that the freedom of free speech is still ours.
If you think that’s still free speech then so be it. I’m not going to persuade you differently – i’m not a moron to think that an internet post will change the minds of anyone. I’m simply showing the concept that is very obvious – there are over one billion Muslims in the world. If they were all savages, then they’d control the entire world and have all the other religions embroiled in war and as their slaves. Think about the comments you’re making, and think about how many Muslims there are – there are too many to just generalize.
Thus, to all the people posting on this board to say that Muhammad was an evil man – so be it. I’m not going to go apocalyptic and wish death and destruction upon you – i’m too fucking educated for that, and I know what it means to be a Muslim and that’s not it. Anybody who wishes death and destruction upon anybody else, be they Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or anything else, deserves to be strung up by their testicles. All i’m saying is, that there are people posting on the internet that are absolutely, borderline retarded. These people are the men and women who know nothing about Islam, yet they pretend like they do, even though they’re illiterate no good pieces of shit that you can tell from the way that they speak. These people are ALSO the men and women who know nothing about Islam, yet speak out AGAINST IT.
I refuse to believe in the mantra of “we will not submit.” We are not making anybody submit to anything. If you DO believe that you will not “submit”, then please promptly remove your head from your ass. We don’t want you anyway.
This kind of hatred is what fuels the conflict in our world, and makes people believe it’s necessary to go overseas and fight for OUR freedoms in another country. Before you go on proclaiming that i’m against the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, because i’m FROM there, let me make it clear – I’m Caribbean in descent. Iraq and Afghanistan can be blown off the map for all the shits i care. That being said, don’t generalize between the people there and the people here. There are One BILLION of us. SINK THAT IN. DON’T LET IT BE A STATISTIC.
One Billion. So yes, when you hop on the internet and see that we’re a bunch of camel loving faggots who just like to glorify our god, and love death and destruction?
That’s not US. That’s like me looking at some rednecks in Texas and saying that’s what ALL Christians are like. Well, Billy Bob likes beer and fuckin’ his daughter? well the QUEEN MUST DO THAT TOO!
No. The ones that you see are the ignorant shitheads who don’t know what they’re talking about. The intelligent ones? WE’RE BUSY trying to figure out what to do about the shitheads, and making a living in a world that is hating us for what people on the other side of the world are doing. And all of this, we’re working to make North America in general, a better place to live, for us, for our families, and for everybody else around us. I hired a man yesterday who was out of a job for three years and about to lose everything. I didn’t have to hire him, but I did – not because i’m nice – but because Islam mandates our giving happiness to others and making other people happy. Did I learn Catholicism from pedophile priests? No. So stop learning my religion from asshole terrorists.
I’m sorry Jesse – the majority of this comment is not directed at you. I just didn’t feel like individually addressing every one here.
Really? Ever seen a picture of Ayatollah Khomeini (or any other ayatollah for that matter)? What’s that on his head? a toupée?
Islam considers the turban as being a Sunnah Mu’akkadah (Confirmed Tradition). Head wraps which men wear are called several names and worn in different ways dependent on region and culture. Wearing a black turban symbolizes a well educated person in the Shi’a school of thought. A Green turban is a distinctive feature of a Hajji. In most of the Arabian peninsula countries, they wear a form of turban which is a plain or checkered scarf (called keffiyeh, ghutrah or shumagh), though the Arabic Amamah tradition is still strong in Oman (see Sultan Qaboos of Oman) as well as other parts of the Arabian peninsula. (Plagiarised from Wikipedia.)
Even the fez, worn in many countries such as Turkey, was originally a bonnet around which the turban was wrapped.
If you read Sir Richard Burton’s Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Al Madinah and Meccah you’ll encounter many descriptions of muslims, from all over the muslim world, from Afghanistan to Morocco, wearing different styles of turbans.
That “bomb as a turban” cartoon was explicitly referencing the Iranian ayatollahs and their support for state-sponsored terrorism—or do you deny that Iran arms and funds the Lebanese Hezbollah and the like? Ever seen a rally of Hezbollah supporters? They carry pictures of imams* wearing, um, black cloth things on their heads, called, um…
* Such as Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah: what’s that on his head? a tame beaver?
Congrats. You replied to one sentence out of about a hundred coherent other ones. Address the other ninety nine, and you’ll get a cookie.
Also, half of your post is taken from wiki (which you stated…although doesn’t erase how factually inaccurate it is.)
In addition, this is a cultural thing – not a muslim thing. I reiterate – in the years that i’ve been alive, i’ve not seen one single Sunni Muslim (which is the dominant faction) wear a turban. But you get points for trying, considering that the only sentence you attacked was a sentence in brackets, meaning that it was an aside and had nothing to do with my original argument in any way whatsoever. Are all the people who attack Islam so bafflingly stupid? Or is it just that you guys attack those who wish you death and destruction, and when a slightly coherent response comes up you grab your balls and run for the hills? I give you the same treatment I give Jesse – if you had attacked one of my main points, then all the more power to you – I’m not a God. I’m not totally defensible. But neither is any religion out there. That being said, you earn no respect and no points for having picked on the one sentence that was off on a tangent in a way that had no reference to my argument at all. I said stop violence. You said that Muslims wear turbans. Congrats. Would you like a reward? Go finger yourself to an orgasm. I hear it’s wonderful when you burn a cross at the same time. Fucking Troll.
Genghis Khan says:
Such a measured, non-violent response. So, when you say “muslim”, you mean “sunni muslims whom you’ve seen”. I think that I can use logic like that: all muslims (by which I mean those whom I’ve encountered herein) are violent, contumelious, incoherent, turban-less, hypocritical buffoons incapable of intelligent discourse; Muhammad was a muslim; therefore, Muhammad was a violent, contumelious, incoherent, turban-less, hypocritical buffoon incapable of intelligent discourse.
Also, it seems that I may not offer a correction or ask for a clarification from anyone unless I address the totality of his or her argument, no matter how incoherent it is, and even if others have already addressed much of the alleged argument already: is that right?
So, if you say stupid, incorrect statements and enclose them within brackets, it’s bad form to question the accuracy of the claim within, right? Does that work for anyone or only for people such as worshipers of Muhammad (who was an aegerast, as well as a murderous rapist and paederast, I hear)?
My response was not violent. It was insulting. Also, the turban is CULTURAL. NOT ISLAMIC. Again, I note how you ignore the rest of my comments and pick on a bracketed comment that had nothing to do with the overall message at all. I’m an insulting, horrible asshole, I know. But don’t generalize – if i’m an insulting asshole, then call me that. Don’t generalize it. I don’t care what religion you are, because of the fact that I’m not going to make a stupid statement like “You’re a fucking moron, thus, all Christians must be stupid.”
Also, no one else addressed my comments without proving themselves to be reduced to an absolute buffoon, or at the very least, revealing that it’s okay by their logic and concept of free will to walk around with a swastika and a copy of mein kampf.
Thus, your statement –
“lso, it seems that I may not offer a correction or ask for a clarification from anyone unless I address the totality of his or her argument, no matter how incoherent it is, and even if others have already addressed much of the alleged argument already: is that right?”
You have the nitpicking tendencies of a hag. You know what? Just to give you a boner, i’ll concede – some muslims do wear turbans.
But you don’t get a cookie anymore.
I’m not sure why you are having trouble getting the concept, but yes, someone dressed up in nazi gear saying anti-semetic things, yes, I also believe this person’s rights to free speech must be protected. I didn’t reply to that part of your post because I figured you’d be able to put 2 and 2 together, but your second post reveals a lot more about your mentality than the first so I gave you too much credit when I called you “thougtful”. Your whinging about “hate speech” is downright funny in light of all the hateful things (“pedophile Catholics” etc.) in your post. Of course, no group uses double standards more shamelessly than Muslims. (See this for a bit more on that: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/terrifying-brilliance-of-islamic.html)
Of course it is possible to commit a crime through speech, for example revealing state or corporate secrets, or more relevant to our topic, by calling people to violence. If the same nazi sympathizer had a sign that said “Go kill Jews now!” then this would no longer be protected expression. However, something like “Mohammed is a pedophile” is merely offensive and fortunately in the US, protected.
In the UK, however, new laws have been passed to make it a crime to threaten “community cohesion” or some such nonsense. Back when the UK was a Christian nation they fought for free speech and got rid of the “blasphemy” but now thanks to Islam, freedom of speech has been significantly eroded.
I won’t waste any more time with you, since anyone who could write this garbage: “Anybody who wishes death and destruction upon anybody else, be they Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or anything else, deserves to be strung up by their testicles.” doesn’t know the first thing about reasoning, and shouldn’t be throwing around the word “retard” like you do.
That link (wherefor I thank you) should be: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html.
“Your whinging about “hate speech” is downright funny in light of all the hateful things (“pedophile Catholics” etc.) in your post.”
“If the same nazi sympathizer had a sign that said “Go kill Jews now!” then this would no longer be protected expression. However, something like “Mohammed is a pedophile” is merely offensive and fortunately in the US, protected.”
Both of these? They’re your comments. Oh, hypocrisy? Lemme see…
“Of course, no group uses double standards more shamelessly than Muslims.”
Also, for anyone reading this (considering this is my last post because I’ve realized i’m arguing with a complete and utter fucknut because of this.)
“I won’t waste any more time with you, since anyone who could write this garbage: “Anybody who wishes death and destruction upon anybody else, be they Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or anything else, deserves to be strung up by their testicles.” doesn’t know the first thing about reasoning…”
In case that anybody is reading this, you can read that again – it’s an anti violence excerpt. Yet, apparently, I don’t know the first thing about reasoning because I said that someone who wants to wish death and destruction on someone deserves to be strung up by their testicles.
The ironic part? I was referring to those Muslims who don’t read, or understand anything – they just randomly post nonsense garbage on the internet threatening people and wishing them to be in hell. You fucking troll. Now I’m fully empowered to flame the fuck out of you for being such a poor representation of your side. The men and women here who are trying to make a point should forever ban your IP address from this website, so that you won’t shame them anymore. Stop arguing with me – you’ll lose. Dumbass. I didn’t even SAY anything really offensive to you – my original post ends with “Sorry Jesse, i know that a lot of this doesn’t apply to you.” Yet, you respond with this skullfuckery -
“I’m not sure why you are having trouble getting the concept, but yes, someone dressed up in nazi gear saying anti-semetic things, yes, I also believe this person’s rights to free speech must be protected.”
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! FOLKS, WE’RE DEALING WITH KKK! Not only are you a raging anti Muslim, you’re also an anti semite! HA! You obviously have no concept of what “free” speech means. You fucking TROLL, my soldiers went and DIED for my FREE SPEECH – you think that the MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED FOR FREE SPEECH did it so that PEOPLE COULD BE HATEFUL TO JEWS?
NO. This ends here. Your stupidity has gone too far – the men and women who died did not do it so that someone dressed up in NAZI gear should be protected. FREE SPEECH IS FREE SPEECH, NOT HATE SPEECH. But this isn’t for you Jesse. Well, the insulting part is – the rest of it is showing everybody else reading this what a fucking dipshit you are.
And if you don’t think that you’re a dipshit? LET ME REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
“I’m not sure why you are having trouble getting the concept, but yes, someone dressed up in nazi gear saying anti-semetic things, yes, I also believe this person’s rights to free speech must be protected.”
Translation:
Our soldiers fought and died in war against Hitler’s NAZI forces in order to defend our rights for free speech and all our other rights, by hoping to eliminate the NAZI’s before they could jump over the pond and impose their will on us all. They died. For free speech. By fighting against. HITLER.
But YOU THINK. That DRESSING UP in NAZI gear. Is free speech.
Fuck. You.
The right to free speech does not include the right to say something offensive?????
As others have said, you have no idea what free speech means.
If I declare that your speech offends me, would I have the right to demand that the hosts of this site take down your posts?
If a whole race or religion’s worth of people declared that it was extremely offensive to them, then yes. As long as it’s not for a dumbass reason like “we don’t like it.” Then yeah, it should be taken down. But why do you care? It’s not like a religion’s worth of people would follow your shitheaded viewpoints anyway – and it’s not like you’d be able to create even a generation’s worth, because you probably have to pay for sex with an attitude like yours.
Genghis Khan wrote:
There were one hundred? They were coherent?
I showed, by selecting just one error out of many, that you have a poor grasp of what constitutes a fact. (“From their fruits ye shall know them.”)
Why don’t you explain why you think that it’s “fucking retarded” to depict a muslim in a turban since, as I have demonstrated, muslims do wear turbans?
Let’s address one of your other statements:
Really? Prove it. Does calling people dipshits and retards advance general happiness?
There is a difference, as someone who claims to be so “fucking educated” on Islam should know, between deriving knowledge of Christianity from pedophiles and deriving knowledge of Islam from terrorists: Christianity explicitly condemns harming children but Islam encourages terrorism.
To address each of your points in a demeaning, disgusting and assholish manner -
“There were one hundred? They were coherent?”
Congrats. Bitch about how muslims are so incoherent and violent, and that the majority of what they say does not make any sense. Continue to bitch about how muslims are incapable of intelligent discourse. Then ignore when someone posts a clear message that shows that the free speech encouraged here is in line with expressions that are anti jewish in nature. Wonderful way to sustain credibility.
“I showed, by selecting just one error out of many, that you have a poor grasp of what constitutes a fact. (“From their fruits ye shall know them.”)”
Out of an entire block message constituting a number of paragraphs, that detailed why free speech (in the form supported here) constitutes hate speech against not only Muslims, but a vast majority of other people in the world. It detailed why people should never generalize in terms of hating a certain type of person, because it’s an obviously flawed way of thinking. It went on and on and on in relation to anti religious violence, (which is a slippery slope to GENOCIDE) and said that the vast majority of people out there who are ignorant about the Quran, and yet who threaten to kill and maim other peoples (i’m talking about ignorant Muslims here…i figured i’d give you a hint because you seem so DENSE anyway) should be strung up.
“Why don’t you explain why you think that it’s “fucking retarded” to depict a muslim in a turban since, as I have demonstrated, muslims do wear turbans?”
You have not demonstrated one single fucking thing. You have only shown how bafflingly STUPID you are. There are over ONE BILLION MUSLIMS in this world. If all the Muslims in the world were wearing turbans, then yes, it would be a good idea to poke fun perhaps. But not all the Muslims in the world wear it. I don’t wear it. Nobody i’ve ever seen wears it. Nobody that i’ve ever heard of wears it. I’d make fun of anyone who DOES wear it.
Thus, I am explaining why it’s FUCKING RETARDED (oops, forgot the quotation marks) to depict a muslim in a turban, because it’s an outdated cultural practice – not a modern religious one.
But you know what? I already conceded this one earlier, just for the sake of making you happy. One wouldn’t want to cause a riot in the retard ward.
“Really? Prove it. ”
Really? You want me to PROVE THAT ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION? How much do you want me to copy and paste? Oh do tell me. Why don’t you just take that query, stick it into google, and do some light reading – it’s healthy, and it’ll maybe help to stop the rapid loss of brain cells that come from your frequent masturbation sessions.
OR…you could just read all the people defending Muslims intelligently on this thread. Just saying.
“Does calling people dipshits and retards advance general happiness?”
Nope, it doesn’t. That’s why i’m a normal Muslim – i’m not a priest. A Catholic Priest wouldn’t curse someone out for keying their car – a regular catholic would. Thus, a Muslim Imam wouldn’t curse someone out for keying their car – a regular Muslim would. Consider it less of a “Regular Muslim/Regular Catholic” and more of a “regular PERSON.”
Also, I hired someone who was about to lose everything. Then I called you a fucking moron. I think that I won’t burn in hell.
“There is a difference, as someone who claims to be so “fucking educated” on Islam should know, between deriving knowledge of Christianity from pedophiles and deriving knowledge of Islam from terrorists: Christianity explicitly condemns harming children but Islam encourages terrorism.”
And thus, your final blow to your own credibility. Do some light reading on that whole peace thing up there, and you’ll figure out why you’re such a fucking moron. But your own cognitive dissonance will make sure that you’ll never be able to see Muslims in a friendly manner – your own fucking ego won’t ever allow it. The same way I know that you’re going to post back here and try and break down my arguments, in the same way that i know i won’t be responding anymore. Islam EXPLICITLY condemns “terrorism.”
I will not argue that SOME people who are ISLAMIC support terrorism.
But this is not a logical equivalent to “All muslims support terrorism.’
There has not been an instance of a Muslim leader coming out to proclaim that we have been covering up our activities and the activities of our religious leaders. When has a Muslim leader, a powerful Muslim leader, done anything except condemn the violence that the stupid ignorant Muslims do when they don’t understand what they’re supposed to be doing?
Yet, the Pope is hiding his backside over allegations of priests having sex with young boys. Not only young PEOPLE – but young boys. Homosexuality AND pedophilia. And what was that comment above there again?
“Christianity explicitly condemns harming children.”
Oh, also – how many cases of pedophilia are there in the States and in Canada? No really, how many?
And how many of the accused were Muslims? How many of them were Christians?
Oh snap. Oh but wait! a gleam of hope for you! Muslims are the minority, which would obviously mean that they wouldn’t be found doing that stuff as much as the Christians right?
Well, according to you, the Muslims are the perverted ones. Meaning that regardless of the minority, they should be the ones most found responsible. Also, there are ONE BILLION muslims and more. SECOND LARGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD.
Welcome to Earth. Check your stupidity at the door.
Also, none of this is racist. My brother is Christian. I don’t consider Christians to be pedophiles – all i’m saying is, judging a whole religion by the stupidity of a few fucking morons in the religion is fundamentally stupid. And if you want to talk about how Christianity continues to explicitly forbid pedophilia, then perhaps you can explain to everyone here (because this is my last post) why the Pope holds comments on his condemnations of pedophilia? Or, explain something to the tune of this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_us/us_pope_church_abuse
Check and Mate.
Ghengis, your ignorance is showing:
“However, there’s a difference between saying what I want, and saying what I want to offend other people.”
That IS the concept of free speech.
Oh, is it the Buddhists who are behidn the Taliban and Al-Qaida? Excuse me if I’m confused on just who the terrorists are.
Or how about this:
“Not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are muslims.”
Jesse, yours is one of the most thoughtful, eloquent expressions of just what “free speech” really means. Thank you!
I haven’t heard one person laugh when seeing it, Jew, Muslim, Christian or Hindu.
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I laughed. It’s not roll on the floor funny, but it’s humorous. The reason it’s humorous is because it is so true.
Wow. I can’t believe that such “patriotic” people who want to defend their free rights, are so hinged on believing that free rights for speech involve obsessively insulting a whole nation of people. Alright, I can see that you’re a total fucking moron. Continue to wear the swastika to defend your right to free rights. I hope that you can reconcile yourself with the fact that the same soldiers who died for our free speech rights died fighting against that same disgusting sign that you would willingly wear for defense of “free speech.” Hypocritical? And you say that MUSLIMS are hypocritical? Maybe. But I wouldn’t wear something that would offend the SOLDIERS WHO DIED for me to be able to have free speech. You wouldn’t wear something to offend Jesus (assuming you’re a Christian, and a decent one at that) so why would you wear something to offend the soldiers who die for your rights?
This also brings up an interesting point about how religious you are to have to say something like that in the first place. Something tells me that if you’re willing to wear a swastika in order to show off your “free speech” rights, then you’re a fucking troll as well. Thus, the order -
Fuck. You.
So, muslims let me get this straight……..if we draw your violent prophet muhammed then you will lose your minds and want to kill us all? WAIT….wasnt that already happening? Yea right! Try and tell ME what to do will ya?
I do understand if you have the good taste not to post anything I have to say, but I offer this as it is truth that has great relevance here.
A religion is not a race.
A place is not a race.
Therefor, it is not racist only offensive. And so mammy F*&%^ng what?
I refer you all to the great pork BBQ stand, allah snackbar.
dh
The reason Muslims go apoplectic over images of Muhammed is becaused contrary to being a holy prophet, Muhammed was a sadistic sociopath and they know it. Thier screaming riots and death threats are simply efforts to silence anyone who might explode the myth of Muhammed with the truth. And if the myth of Muhammed explodes, the entire foundation of Islam collapses.
The Koran 68:4 upholds Muhammed as “…an exalted [standard of] character.” Islamic tradition upholds Muhammed as ‘al-insan al-kamil’ or ‘the perfect man’, to be emulated by all Muslims.
The hard truth about Muhammed, as recorded in the Islamic ‘holy’ texts, is that far from being a a ‘holy prophet’ Muhammed was a murderer, torturer, amputator, decapitator, slaver, looting stealing thief, rapist, human trafficker, sex trafficker, child rapist, sexual deviant, genocidist and self proclaimed terrorist.
Muhammed was perhaps one of the most vile men in the pantheon of human history, a brutal barbarian afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder, consumed by unquenchable sexual lust, unending material greed and brutal power.
By any objective standard, Muhammed should have been incarcerated not venerated, reviled not revered.
Every pathology that afflicts Islam comes directly from this sick man, Muhammed, and the world suffers because of him.
Muhammed is Islam’s Achilles heel. Please keep drawing cartoons of Muhammed, and help expose the truth about one of histories most evil men.
~The Infidel Alliance
Most organized religions teach some sort of morality.
Most schools nowadys teach the opposite of morality. Hell, when I was in Kindergarten we celebrated ‘May Day’ which is COMMUNIST!
What is right from wrong?
Anyone have a definitive set of concise rules that haven’t already been written in the Holy Bible?
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I’m a sinner, God being the most benevolent on high gave his only begotten son because of my scraggly ass and if that ain’t love…well, frick…what? WHAT IS LOVE?
Though Mayday was taken over by the communists (as, similarly, Christians appropriated pagan festivals), May Day was celebrated by pre-Christian cultures throughout Europe.
Speaking of May day, here is a report (German) about the riots in the neighbourhood that borders mine. http://www.bild.de/BILD/regional/hamburg/aktuell/2010/05/02/1-mai-in-hamburg/krawall-wochenende-in-der-schanze.html Even if you can’t read German, there are 16 pictures at the top that are relatively self-explanatory. Not much of a surprise that two banks, the Haspa and the Deutsche Bank in Schulterblatt, were completely demolished inside and out. The videos have been slow to crop up, but give it a couple of days and search “Krawalle Hamburg 1. Mai 2010.” Of course, it is roughly the same every year, so you can just search “Krawalle Schanze” or “Krawalle Kreuzberg” to see past “revolutionary demonstrations” if you are impatient.
Given that their book teaches that the second most points the Muslim gets toward heaven is from lying to and/or cheating a non-Muslim (“al taqiyyah”), I wouldn’t trust a Muslim to do anything to help me under any circumstances. (It would be against their religion and damage their shot at heaven)…
But I disagree that provoking them is wise. We need to spread the Gospel to them so they can at least have a chance to avoid an eternity in Perdition…
Link still dead.
http://www.muhammad-cartoon.com/displayimage.php?pid=328&fullsize=1
What I find hilarious is Zombie’s plea to be taken at its word, when it has just admitted that it can’t even trust the moderators to post responses in this forum in the way they were originally written. Are they even posting your links, Zombie? You apparently don’t know, and already admitted you don’t care.
You really do need to get a life. Try the library, maybe you can get one on a trial basis.
I’m trying to figure out where’s the historic (not biblical) origin of forbidding any image of the Prophet Mohammed seem to come from?
I suspected the crazy period of Byzantine Iconoclasm in the 8th century AD as the reason to inspire Muslims to do likewise later on.
If only people got a copy of the Quran and actually read the English translation rather than believing everything they are ‘told’ (more like brainwashed with) or what they see.
That’d be the day where people actually gained some IQ rather than letting rubbish leave their mouths.
Hey “Saheed” dude…..I got your momma and moohammed…right between my legs.
I welcome you to show your face.
I will ONLY respect your position if you follow this up with an archive showing an equal contempt for other sensitivities:
please post images revelling in burning American flags and denigrating the Holocaust.
When I see those, you will gain my respect
People who take a stand do so for other reasons typically that achieving respect for it.
Riots with people murdered are never a consequence of an image of someone burning someone’s flag.
To compare an Image of a person related to a religious taboo with the mass murder of 6 million is intriguing. Even still, have you heard of riots and murders because of a insensitive portrayal of antisemitism?
Finally the point is, may create disrespect, which is not murder.
In America millions of people make choices fully aware that someone somewhere will disrespect them and they never expect to be murdered for it.
Perhaps rethinking what respect is all about is due for consideration.
And thank you “Don: for helping make my point;
you condemn those who take ‘bold stands’ against inflaming others’ opinions — when you share those …
and lack courage to stand up against repression of free speech in those cases.
In Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK, Germany, Austria, France, Israel, etc, Holocaust denial and denigration is a _crime_ prosecuted by the state; a website in the Netherlands was recently shut down and the operators fined for running a Holocaust cartoon.
Holocaust denialism has been given as a legitimate casus belli in the western press and by western politicans regarding Iran.
In the USA, I recall a long debate to criminalize flagburning — and I remember a great many people stating publicly at that time that they would use physical force against those who did so.
The protesters in Europe (not the probably fake group protesting SOuth Park) had as their initial point that, in countries’ where some groups sensibilities against defamation of historical persons/events are treated criminally, consistency would demand treating deliberate incendiary ‘speech’ acts in the same way when aimed at Islamic sensibilities
A consistent position in favor of free speech would be one where someone posts slurs on Muhammad side by side with Holocaust denialism and insults to the US flag (as well as other rovocative acts)
The fact that you somehow see those as being _rightfully_ protected by law while attacking Muslim sensibilities suggests your position comes not from ‘love of freeedom’ or concern for free speech but from the same dark place in the European psyche that birthed the Holocaust
I think you missed the entire point of this archive. It was not to denigrate certain people, but an all-out frontal attack on the intolerance coming from segments of the Moslim world. To understand the underlying theme, it is necessary to have a finely tuned sense of irony.
You do need to check you facts though. Holocaust denigration is not a crime in Europe; holocaust denial is. (And before you ask, no, I don’t agree with banning holocaust denial. And I am a Jew living in Germany so that does provide some context.) There is a certain sense of irony here that makes this post newsworthy. The fact of the matter is that large swathes of the Moslim Ummah have absolutely no tolerance for the beliefs of others. You can post pictures of people burning the American flag in America without a tsunami of death threats. Going back to my main point, I’d like to point out some of the irony involved in the current situation. Some cartoons posted in a relatively obscure Danish newspaper were subsequently schlepped into the middle-east with the sole intent of inflaming local populations. The most offensive were added to the collection by the ones trying to stir up hatred. Of the originals, the one considered most offensive was one in which Mohammed had a bomb for a turban, the meaning being quite clearly that Moslims use the religion to aggressively wage combat. The subsequent reaction from some Moslims was one of violence in which many people were killed, most of them Moslim. In response, makeshift versions of Scandinavian flags were burnt all across the middle-east even though the Danish flag has a cross on it. There is a great deal of irony involved here, which is namely that you can’t mock Moslims for being violent without them rioting and destroying their own communities. Who would have ever thought they would hear the day when a newscaster without a trace of satire would say “And now the death toll from the Danish cartoon controversy has topped 100.” This descent into uncontrolled mob-violence casts far more shame on Moslims than any cartoon.
But while you want to compare free speech, why don’t we do so. Your point is to say that everyone has their limits of acceptable free speech, and that we all also have our sacred cows. This is unfortunately a straw man argument that tries to draw a false parallel between the west and the Moslim world. There is a joke that fits this perfectly, taken from the height of the cold war. A Russian and an American are talking and drinking which soon devolves into a disagreement about the limits of free speech in their society. The American says “I have the right to say anything. I can march through Washington D.C. right to the capital building, right to the gates of the White House and say that President is a war-mongering, emperialist putz. The Russian responds, “We have free speech in Russia too. I can march to Moscow, right through red square and onto the Kremlin and declare in front of the entire nation that your President is a war-mongering emperialist putz.” This joke holds true for comparing free speech in the west and middle-east today. While I don’t agree with German laws banning Holocaust denial, their laws are manufactured to make the people accept the responsibility for their crimes against humanity. In Turkey, it is completely reversed; it is a crime to acknowledge the Armenian genocide and is officially described as “offending Turkishness.” This carries a stiff jail sentence. Arabs for example glorify past genocides (Khaybar, Khaybar ya yahud) or promise new ones, such as the charter for the Hamas.
There is also a lot of cognitive dissonance involved; the reason we have posts like this is that Moslim fanatics are willing and ready to commit murder over a few cartoons while simultaneously denying or supporting the Moslim defilement of Christian of Jewish holy shrines. The only in the past few centuries that part of Jerusalem was under Moslim control during the Jordanian occupation from 48 to 67. Instead of showing tolerance, the Jordanians immediately set about robbing synagogues and Jewish holy sites for the building materials. In perhaps one of the most disgraceful episodes, centuries old tombstones were removed and used to make urinals for Jordanian solders. This is unfortunately not a one-off. As we speak, the tomb of Elijah in Iraq is receiving a Moslim facelift. They are destroying the Hebrew inscriptions on this centuries old monument as to not “offend any Moslims who didn’t know Elijah was Jewish.”
That is what I mean by irony. The middle-east largely doesn’t get it. The reason why posts like this exist is that holocaust denial or “denigration” as you called it, along with burning American flags in the US (or Danish flags all over Moslim countries) does not garner mountains of threats to have infidel women raped and cartoonists murdered. For example, an anti-semitic French comedian is producing a song for children making fun of the holocaust called “Shoahnanas.” (This doesn’t really translate….it is a word play and means holocaust pineapples.) He will be mocked in public, but will not need to live like Salman Rushdie.
That is the difference between a modern culture and one that is pre-modern. Just to add a bit of extra information, in my personal opinion, the people who suffer most from the Moslim world’s lack of development are Moslims themselves. I have many Moslim friends, some religious and some not, and they are the ones that are most adversely affected by the stark contrast in conditions between the west and the east. That is why so many people immigrate to the west from these countries; freedom of speech is just one of the great things that we enjoy, but the ability to question our society and beliefs critically without dying at the hands of an angry mob was earned by blood. But until the middle-east can objectively confront their own problems, it will lag behind the rest of the world in development and achievement. Instead of coming here to argue with us, I would suggest you turn your sights on the deplorable conditions that Moslims subject other Moslims to. It will not be as easy, but would be a great start.
Jacob, your deliberately obtuse point and ignorant spelling errors only feeds the lady’s point: people have been found guilty and fined by a Dutch court for posting a Holocaust cartoon.
I guess you rightwingers and racists only jump on this as another brickbat to smash those “Evil Moslims” as being ignorant;
when those same backwards “Moslims” hold up a mirror, you insist “it’s different! Our cows are sacred! they are barbarians!”
(I was in the US marine corps 1987-1991 and I remember my fellow marines making the type of comment she mentioned about wanting to kill flagburners. I also remember some riots over Jesus depictions in the USA. So please, your selective outrage suggests as the lady said, that all you guys are more concerned with attacking “Moslims” than defending freedom)
“Holocaust denialism has been given as a legitimate casus belli in the western press and by western politicans regarding Iran.”
Please! The casus belli most often stated is the killing of our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan by IEDs, EFPs and 107mm rockets provided by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards as well as other support and training for the Taliban and Shia militants. Other reasons are the seizing of our embassy in Iran, the kidnapping of our citizens, the embassy bombing in Lebanon, the Marine Corp barracks bombing in Lebanon, and the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia by Iranian proxy Hezbollah. The 9/11 Commission found that “senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives,” and that “8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi ‘muscle’ operatives traveled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001.” Add to that the fact that they are going to get nukes. I have never heard anyone say we should attack Iran because Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-a-sin.html
as an an example of how Europe regards some believes as being legally protected
The gay community police representative felt harassed. Not the Christian preacher. Who was cited? The preacher.
Whose “beliefs” were being protected? No one’s. The gay man felt – why, I don’t quite know – that the preacher was threatening him by stating his beliefs. So, precisely what do you mean by “an example of how Europe regards some believes as being legally protected”?
thank you zombie for your website and this article. and thank you pjm for having the courage to stand up to terrorist….comedy central should bow their heads in shame
“And on the mean time I be looking to rape your sister and fuck ur mother and bang your wife.”
Because I am a devout follower of the Religion of Peace.
Thank you, Zombie, for being the amazing individual and paragon of citizen journalism that you are.
I first read your stuff before you began writing here. Your take on the excesses of left (even when you agree with them on the issue!) reminds me of my own experience of living in Berkeley years ago.
You simply cannot get them to get beyond the devils they already know and love to hate, all because such a revision would bring about a collapse of their value system and leave them wandering in their own desert.
So, once again, thanks, and you have done a fabulous job here with this story and your archive of images of Mohammed.
Roy C
If American women would wake up to the treatment Muslim women endure, they would and should be very concerned about Islam here in our country.
Tom USMC –
You write: “I also remember some riots over Jesus depictions in the USA.”
When and where? I remember some people protesting over Piss Christ and some others who got upset enough to show up with signs over the elephant dung virgin, but I don’t remember any riots. Have you a link?
For the record, I’ve heard a lot of people say unpleasant things about flag burners; but (curiously) I’ve never actually been present when anything happened to anyone burning a flag.
To Tom USMC – By ignorant spelling errors, do you mean British English? If you are talking about Moslim vs. Muslim, then a website where both variants can be found can be located here. http://islamandthemoslimworld.blogspot.com/. Additionally, my wife is Iranian. I speak Farsi and a low level of Arabic. While you called me right-wing (libertarian actually) and racist, you somehow missed this in my post. ” I have many Moslim friends, some religious and some not, and they are the ones that are most adversely affected by the stark contrast in conditions between the west and the east.” I’ll give you an example of this. My wife’s father has only been back to Iran once since the revolution. He personally witnessed a woman who was beaten by the cops and thrown into a police car because her veil slipped and she accidentally flashed someone with her hair. Many women do not come back from prison in Iran, even if it was for an indecency violation. So yes, as a matter of fact, Moslims do suffer more from Islamic extremism that westerners do.
So, you identified Moslim as a misspelling, when it isn’t, and you somehow thought that my post was racist, which it very obviously isn’t. You are clearly not prepared to argue here.
Tom, USMC – And if you are referring to this Dutch trial, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8638841.stm , then the group was acquitted. As I think I pointed out in my post that you didn’t bother to read, denigration is not the issue; denial is. As I mentioned before in my post that you didn’t bother to read, “And before you ask, no, I don’t agree with banning holocaust denial. And I am a Jew living in Germany so that does provide some context.”
*Ahem* You were saying?
This putzes don’t get it; denying the Shoah is the bread of their fake religion, while defending the child-fucker fake prophet Mo’ham-head is.
And the creeps like this Marine should go and live in Saudi or Iran if they like it so much.
The USA (and Free Europe!) has no room for traitors and Mo’ham-head worshippers. Tom and Amina should get the hell out of ths country before real patriiots and freedom loving real Americans get rid of them!
Oh, I love the child molesting quote ‘prophet’ of islam, the coward Muhammad, displayed. I love seeing allah squirming in public for everyone.
Art should be allowed. 
Guess what? Some art I find offensive. But I am a man, not a muslim, and I allow it to be viewed, even though I hate it. I am not ‘god’, we leave that to infidels like the wanna-be prophet Muhammad. 
Of course muslims do not want their worm god allah revealed. People would start laughing publicly if they did, rather then just laughing at the sad folks who follow pagan (backwards) islam. 
Only a “prophet”? ..how sad:( (I Kneel before the King of Kings).
Our Savior Jesus Christ,and his father, the one and only true GOD..
I can’t draw but I heartily support your project. Keep up the good work!
U have an interesting site. I am glad I received the url. Having reviewed many of the email responses you have received regarding the Muslim prophet, I am struck by their (I assume Muslims) own ignorance of their history and historical manuscripts and a focus on topical areas that are more suited for a deviant porn site. In going a step further and finding Islamic writings from the 7th through the 17th century having illustrations of their prophet I am stunned by their statements and attempts to force closure of these art works let alone and free discourse about them. I guess there is no accounting for peoples taste. I applaud your desire to do what’s right in the face of terror. It seems ignorance of ones faith doesn’t preclude them from making statements and taking actions out of the norm with both their faith as well as our laws. That sounds like aspostates to me.
The real problem is that the so called peace loving & “moderate” muslims are not putting enough, if any, peer pressure on their imbecile buddies. Why? Because their hol(e)y book, the garbagecuran tells them to kill, enslave or convert the wiser folks in the world that have refused to follow mo-ham-head, that’s why. ‘Nuff said.
listen to the interview with this brave Arab woman
she says we need more of the cartoons to help the Muslims free themselves from the Islamic mental slavery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Negt6IzxPTo
Islam the religion of peace the religion of respect and the religion of dignity…… there religion of Islam spread to the each cornor the World by our Beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD(P. B . U. H). the true passenger of ALLAH the lover to his Ummah and the always always and always well wisher for his ummah. MUHAMMAD(P. B. U. H) the prophet of such of religion of ISLAM the give respect of the Gods of other religions of the world to not give respect our religion. this the religion the gives the identity of humanity and life.. the life prophet MUHAMMAD (P. B . U. H) teaches us how to deal with others, how to communicate with others, how to be leader, how to be king, how to be a father, how to be a brother, how to a friend, how to be trader and how to commander and many many many…. things that humanity really need to adopt…..
BUT….
The actions that non muslims today doing there is no world that i can use to condemn that islamic davish enemies… they are doing there hatred, lawful and very very very worstful and blunder ful acts..
i think through such activities they are doing nothing but only and only raising their hat in the hearts and minds of the growing number of muslims day aby day…… INSHA ALLAH they will the very very negative consequences of such action the davish and all those who are involves in these cruel acts….
there fore i must say to you to Immediately stop these cruel acts before the muslim reach to your countries and your homes and snatch your soul from your bodies…. and give a very hard and unwanted death… stop it stop it… and veil you in front of the world…. because ISLAM is the religion of peace and respect but whenever such actions happened there are very harsh and hard unwanted replies happened just read the History.. i think that is enough for you to understand what happened with those who ever performed very very minimum and lettle acts.. just go and read their history…… ….
it is enough for you if you are intelligent people……………………………….
Islam the religion of peace and respect BUT Whenever such action happened by any person what happened with them i think these all dam bullshit davish people do not know …
if you dam people want to know what happened with such people just go and read the history of such people… you will get a better answer of this…. if you are intelligent people….
for GOD sake u people must not perform dis act, THE CREATURE OF THIS UNIVERSE WIL NEVER PARDON dis act. ALL MY WEALTH ,MY LIFE, HEALTH, RELATIONSHIPS EVEN MY MOM AND DAD HAVE NO ANY IMPORTANCE INFRONT OF MY BELOVED PROPHET,
just wanna you know, kafirullah (all of you) are going to be weak in the end of day !!
hi drawer, fuck you, kiss my ass bastard.
JESSUS MUTHA FUCKA
know, kafirullah (all of you
F*ckin? awesome things here. I?m very happy to see your post. Thanks so much and i am having a look forward to contact you. Will you kindly drop me a mail?
A round of applause for your post.Thanks Again. Truly Cool.
You’re an old fart? Please, I’ve had my AARP card for seven years now