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		<title>By: dorkafork</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102054</link>
		<dc:creator>dorkafork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s their fiber optic line. It’s their copper wire. Don’t they have the right to charge all the traffic will bear?&lt;/em&gt;

Not when we give them monopoly control. Not when they abuse their monopoly. Not when they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;swindle us out of $200 billion&lt;/a&gt;. (&quot;Built on their own dime&quot; my ass.) That&#039;s plenty to get the libertarian side of me to glow incandescent, nevermind the geek side. (&quot;NET NEUTRALITY! Slooowly I turn...&quot;)

Net Neutrality really should be a natural fit for libertarians/conservatives of all stripes. I am shocked and dismayed at the kind of pushback I&#039;ve been seeing lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s their fiber optic line. It’s their copper wire. Don’t they have the right to charge all the traffic will bear?</em></p>
<p>Not when we give them monopoly control. Not when they abuse their monopoly. Not when they <a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html" rel="nofollow">swindle us out of $200 billion</a>. (&#8220;Built on their own dime&#8221; my ass.) That&#8217;s plenty to get the libertarian side of me to glow incandescent, nevermind the geek side. (&#8220;NET NEUTRALITY! Slooowly I turn&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
<p>Net Neutrality really should be a natural fit for libertarians/conservatives of all stripes. I am shocked and dismayed at the kind of pushback I&#8217;ve been seeing lately.</p>
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		<title>By: AuntWie</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102042</link>
		<dc:creator>AuntWie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we just pass a law that says, &quot;Congress shall pass no law&quot;?  Then we could use Bill Whittle&#039;s suggestion of paying them all to go home.  Or we could just let them all sit there.  The conservatives could discuss books and ideas.  The liberals could play old maid.  We could hire some pre-preschoolers to teach them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just pass a law that says, &#8220;Congress shall pass no law&#8221;?  Then we could use Bill Whittle&#8217;s suggestion of paying them all to go home.  Or we could just let them all sit there.  The conservatives could discuss books and ideas.  The liberals could play old maid.  We could hire some pre-preschoolers to teach them.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The libertarian argument that ISPs should be able to do as they please with their infrastructure presupposes the ready availability of alternatives for those customers who don&#039;t like what their current ISP decides to do.

Unfortunately infrastructure remains a relatively scarce commodity for now. The question is, how is that to change if the industry in question is regulated around the status quo of scarcity? Regulation has the effect of decreasing the risks of operating within an uncomfortable status quo, and increasing the risks of trying to break it.

When was the last time anyone &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; to do business with a particular phone company for long-distance service? Hell, I don&#039;t even have to do business with my &lt;i&gt;local&lt;/i&gt; phone company anymore. A lot of that is because of new technology such as cellular and VOIP, but it&#039;s also because phone service has been liberated from the local monopoly system our grandparents lived with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The libertarian argument that ISPs should be able to do as they please with their infrastructure presupposes the ready availability of alternatives for those customers who don&#8217;t like what their current ISP decides to do.</p>
<p>Unfortunately infrastructure remains a relatively scarce commodity for now. The question is, how is that to change if the industry in question is regulated around the status quo of scarcity? Regulation has the effect of decreasing the risks of operating within an uncomfortable status quo, and increasing the risks of trying to break it.</p>
<p>When was the last time anyone <i>had</i> to do business with a particular phone company for long-distance service? Hell, I don&#8217;t even have to do business with my <i>local</i> phone company anymore. A lot of that is because of new technology such as cellular and VOIP, but it&#8217;s also because phone service has been liberated from the local monopoly system our grandparents lived with.</p>
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		<title>By: aodhan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102040</link>
		<dc:creator>aodhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve found the sensible middle ground, Steve. I&#039;ve spent lots of time among geeks who grow incandescent over the idea that a private company who built a network on their own dime for customers other than them get to prioritize traffic on their network. 

The opposite take includes references to geeks as &#039;digital barbarians&#039; and is similarly stupid. 

IN the end, I trust corporations to err on the side of their own profit, which means you can usually guess where they&#039;ll go. I prefer that over some federal agency having the power to determine what a &#039;proper&#039; news web site is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve found the sensible middle ground, Steve. I&#8217;ve spent lots of time among geeks who grow incandescent over the idea that a private company who built a network on their own dime for customers other than them get to prioritize traffic on their network. </p>
<p>The opposite take includes references to geeks as &#8216;digital barbarians&#8217; and is similarly stupid. </p>
<p>IN the end, I trust corporations to err on the side of their own profit, which means you can usually guess where they&#8217;ll go. I prefer that over some federal agency having the power to determine what a &#8216;proper&#8217; news web site is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as we said back in the day.. The Opposite of PROgress in CONgress... Its the consistancey of those guys that startles and amazes me to this day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as we said back in the day.. The Opposite of PROgress in CONgress&#8230; Its the consistancey of those guys that startles and amazes me to this day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neutral on Net Neutrality</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102038</link>
		<dc:creator>Neutral on Net Neutrality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joyner&#160;&#124;&#160;Saturday, October 31, 2009   Stephen Green is torn on the issue of net neutrality, with his libertarian side thinking Internet service [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joyner&nbsp;|&nbsp;Saturday, October 31, 2009   Stephen Green is torn on the issue of net neutrality, with his libertarian side thinking Internet service [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Vodkapundit » Late Night Rambling -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102037</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Vodkapundit » Late Night Rambling -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Stephen Green, Right. Right said: {vodkapundit} Late Night Rambling http://tinyurl.com/ydylmkm [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Stephen Green, Right. Right said: {vodkapundit} Late Night Rambling <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ydylmkm" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ydylmkm</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gotta love capitalism...or not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gotta love capitalism&#8230;or not</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Green</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/10/30/late-night-rambling-26/#comment-102035</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike --

You&#039;ve just described the reason I&#039;ve left this whole issue alone for years now -- and it seems like we&#039;re in the same boat.  Our instincts go one way, but our political sense goes the other.  So it wasn&#039;t until a bill came up that looked like it might possibly passed that I forced myself to write something.  Anything.  To effing &lt;i&gt;decide&lt;/i&gt; something.  Anything.

And I&#039;m still not happy with the results.  My results, I mean.

I miss the good old days when, each morning, I&#039;d receive an envelope from Mr. Rove filled with a stack of hundreds the size of a brick and my talking points for the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve just described the reason I&#8217;ve left this whole issue alone for years now &#8212; and it seems like we&#8217;re in the same boat.  Our instincts go one way, but our political sense goes the other.  So it wasn&#8217;t until a bill came up that looked like it might possibly passed that I forced myself to write something.  Anything.  To effing <i>decide</i> something.  Anything.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m still not happy with the results.  My results, I mean.</p>
<p>I miss the good old days when, each morning, I&#8217;d receive an envelope from Mr. Rove filled with a stack of hundreds the size of a brick and my talking points for the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rossiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rossiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Really?  You expect someone would bother sending a nuke at Cleveland when there are so many more useful targets?

That being said, I largely agree with you.  What we seem to have here are two entirely separate corporate entities doing a little rent seeking, each for their own benefit.  Unfortunately, the only thing I have less faith in than rent seeking corporations is politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Really?  You expect someone would bother sending a nuke at Cleveland when there are so many more useful targets?</p>
<p>That being said, I largely agree with you.  What we seem to have here are two entirely separate corporate entities doing a little rent seeking, each for their own benefit.  Unfortunately, the only thing I have less faith in than rent seeking corporations is politicians.</p>
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