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		<title>By: agent bedhead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-100026</link>
		<dc:creator>agent bedhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid, my hero was Jimmy Carter. Merely because he was President. I had no idea what his ideology meant or even what it was. My point is that elementary school children have no ability for abstract thinking. They&#039;re not gonna even grasp the planned political nuances through which he speaks. Let alone remember it when they are of voting age.

In other words, Obama is wasting his time here. I say, let him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid, my hero was Jimmy Carter. Merely because he was President. I had no idea what his ideology meant or even what it was. My point is that elementary school children have no ability for abstract thinking. They&#8217;re not gonna even grasp the planned political nuances through which he speaks. Let alone remember it when they are of voting age.</p>
<p>In other words, Obama is wasting his time here. I say, let him.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-100003</link>
		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously President Obama lacks confidence in teachers if he needs to go before the children to teach them how to learn;  I&#039;m surprised teachers are unaware that the community organizer is taking over their jobs.

If I were a teacher I would treat Obama&#039;s intrusion as demeaning my profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously President Obama lacks confidence in teachers if he needs to go before the children to teach them how to learn;  I&#8217;m surprised teachers are unaware that the community organizer is taking over their jobs.</p>
<p>If I were a teacher I would treat Obama&#8217;s intrusion as demeaning my profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Wing Nation &#187; Ironclad</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99994</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Wing Nation &#187; Ironclad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vodkapundit: Yes, the speech itself will almost certainly be harmless. I don’t expect anyone’s kids to be coming home and berating their parents for being against this program or that agenda. I do expect Allah has it quite right, that this speech will be just another Daddy Speech, meant to encourage my son to work hard in school. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vodkapundit: Yes, the speech itself will almost certainly be harmless. I don’t expect anyone’s kids to be coming home and berating their parents for being against this program or that agenda. I do expect Allah has it quite right, that this speech will be just another Daddy Speech, meant to encourage my son to work hard in school. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Straus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99951</link>
		<dc:creator>Straus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, go ahead and get all huffy about you being the man to teach your kid, but how many students in your kids class either don&#039;t have a father or have an uncaring father who doesn&#039;t teach their kids the importance of education.  At a young age having a somewhat personal message delivered to you from the president is an exciting thing for a kid, and in some cases will probably inspire some of those kids.  Heaven forbid they get inspired and get excited about science or math.  Maybe that might even get our our education world ranking out of the bottom of the basement.  But your kids won&#039;t get that experience because of your own personal messed up view of a simple, helpful, and innocent act from this administration.  But on a lighter note, it was great to hear Ron Regan make you sound like an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, go ahead and get all huffy about you being the man to teach your kid, but how many students in your kids class either don&#8217;t have a father or have an uncaring father who doesn&#8217;t teach their kids the importance of education.  At a young age having a somewhat personal message delivered to you from the president is an exciting thing for a kid, and in some cases will probably inspire some of those kids.  Heaven forbid they get inspired and get excited about science or math.  Maybe that might even get our our education world ranking out of the bottom of the basement.  But your kids won&#8217;t get that experience because of your own personal messed up view of a simple, helpful, and innocent act from this administration.  But on a lighter note, it was great to hear Ron Regan make you sound like an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama has no fucking business addressing our kids &#171; docweaselblog</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99950</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama has no fucking business addressing our kids &#171; docweaselblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vodkapundit: Call &amp; Response [...]</description>
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		<title>By: john pike</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99945</link>
		<dc:creator>john pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, first time/long time.  I plagiarized your drunken ramblings and sent the following to my local schoolboard:

Gentlemen/Ladies:

I am the father of an 8th grader at Farquhar Middle School, and I wish to express my concern about the MCPS system participating in President Obama&#039;s speech to schools on Tuesday, September 8.

The speech itself is certain to be harmless. I don’t expect my daughter to come home and berate me or her mother for being against this program or that agenda. I do expect that this speech will be just another Daddy Speech, meant to encourage my daughter to work hard in school.

But you know what? The President of the United States — whether an Obama a Bush or a Lincoln — is not my daughter&#039;s daddy. That’s my job.


The other thing I object to is a big portion (an entire portion?) of a school day being devoted to the President and His Works and Admonishments, for no reason other than he seems to think it should be. There’s no national emergency, this isn’t an inauguration or a joint address to Congress. It’s the President deciding, for reasons entirely his own, to take over the public school system for twenty minutes or an hour or a day.

And I object to that.

I urge you to not participate in this exercise which is being orchestrated for political purposes and which serves no educational purpose.  My daughter&#039;s teachers and her parents are responsible for her education.

Thank you for your consideraton.
John Pike
Olney, Maryland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, first time/long time.  I plagiarized your drunken ramblings and sent the following to my local schoolboard:</p>
<p>Gentlemen/Ladies:</p>
<p>I am the father of an 8th grader at Farquhar Middle School, and I wish to express my concern about the MCPS system participating in President Obama&#8217;s speech to schools on Tuesday, September 8.</p>
<p>The speech itself is certain to be harmless. I don’t expect my daughter to come home and berate me or her mother for being against this program or that agenda. I do expect that this speech will be just another Daddy Speech, meant to encourage my daughter to work hard in school.</p>
<p>But you know what? The President of the United States — whether an Obama a Bush or a Lincoln — is not my daughter&#8217;s daddy. That’s my job.</p>
<p>The other thing I object to is a big portion (an entire portion?) of a school day being devoted to the President and His Works and Admonishments, for no reason other than he seems to think it should be. There’s no national emergency, this isn’t an inauguration or a joint address to Congress. It’s the President deciding, for reasons entirely his own, to take over the public school system for twenty minutes or an hour or a day.</p>
<p>And I object to that.</p>
<p>I urge you to not participate in this exercise which is being orchestrated for political purposes and which serves no educational purpose.  My daughter&#8217;s teachers and her parents are responsible for her education.</p>
<p>Thank you for your consideraton.<br />
John Pike<br />
Olney, Maryland</p>
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		<title>By: furious</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99936</link>
		<dc:creator>furious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Creepy:&lt;/b&gt;  &quot;what you can do to help the President&quot;.
&lt;b&gt;Creepier:&lt;/b&gt; lesson plans and activity matrices to plan &quot;helping the president&quot;.
&lt;b&gt;Creepier still:&lt;/b&gt;  detailed guidelines tracking the progress the children are making in &quot;helping the president&quot;.

How very North Korea of this White House -- The Dear Leader Leads the Happy Children in Song.  &lt;i&gt;shudder&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Creepy:</b>  &#8220;what you can do to help the President&#8221;.<br />
<b>Creepier:</b> lesson plans and activity matrices to plan &#8220;helping the president&#8221;.<br />
<b>Creepier still:</b>  detailed guidelines tracking the progress the children are making in &#8220;helping the president&#8221;.</p>
<p>How very North Korea of this White House &#8212; The Dear Leader Leads the Happy Children in Song.  <i>shudder</i></p>
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		<title>By: John FWD</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99915</link>
		<dc:creator>John FWD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear, I&#039;ve never seen a more pathetic bunch whiners and hand-wringers, busy trying to read something sinister into every single action a president takes. Oh, wait, yes I have--the morons at Democratic Underground and Kos while Bush was in office.

You&#039;re right Stephen, you are your son&#039;s father, Obama is not, but if you&#039;re afraid of the influence of those who don&#039;t agree with you you&#039;re in for a rocky road while he&#039;s in school.

Try being a little more confident in your abilities as a parent. Oh, and take off the skirt, it clashes with the whole &quot;suave&quot; vibe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear, I&#8217;ve never seen a more pathetic bunch whiners and hand-wringers, busy trying to read something sinister into every single action a president takes. Oh, wait, yes I have&#8211;the morons at Democratic Underground and Kos while Bush was in office.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right Stephen, you are your son&#8217;s father, Obama is not, but if you&#8217;re afraid of the influence of those who don&#8217;t agree with you you&#8217;re in for a rocky road while he&#8217;s in school.</p>
<p>Try being a little more confident in your abilities as a parent. Oh, and take off the skirt, it clashes with the whole &#8220;suave&#8221; vibe.</p>
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		<title>By: amos</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99894</link>
		<dc:creator>amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense, Stephen.

Barack Obama is father to the country. Do you not understand? He is The Obama. 

Pledge to him: 

Agent Bedhead: 
You&#039;re forgetting the opportunity cost. If 10% get out of the public schools and manage to become Libertarians or Republicans. you must also consider the poisoned thinking of the rest. I&#039;m all for the &quot;what doesn&#039;t kill me only makes me stronger&quot; theory of personal growth, but ought that be the default shoved on to kids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense, Stephen.</p>
<p>Barack Obama is father to the country. Do you not understand? He is The Obama. </p>
<p>Pledge to him: </p>
<p>Agent Bedhead:<br />
You&#8217;re forgetting the opportunity cost. If 10% get out of the public schools and manage to become Libertarians or Republicans. you must also consider the poisoned thinking of the rest. I&#8217;m all for the &#8220;what doesn&#8217;t kill me only makes me stronger&#8221; theory of personal growth, but ought that be the default shoved on to kids?</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99890</link>
		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, kcom.  It&#039;s just like the &quot;It takes a village to raise a child&quot; saying that Hillary popularized.  I don&#039;t know if she really heard it in Africa or not, but it hardly matters.  It&#039;s a nice saying that most non-recluses would approve of.  Until you replace &quot;village&quot; with &quot;government,&quot; which is exactly what Hillary intended.  That&#039;s the kind of &quot;Daddyism&quot; that Stephen is talking about.  Our government is not a village, it is not a relative, it is not a teacher, and it definitely is not a mommy or a daddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, kcom.  It&#8217;s just like the &#8220;It takes a village to raise a child&#8221; saying that Hillary popularized.  I don&#8217;t know if she really heard it in Africa or not, but it hardly matters.  It&#8217;s a nice saying that most non-recluses would approve of.  Until you replace &#8220;village&#8221; with &#8220;government,&#8221; which is exactly what Hillary intended.  That&#8217;s the kind of &#8220;Daddyism&#8221; that Stephen is talking about.  Our government is not a village, it is not a relative, it is not a teacher, and it definitely is not a mommy or a daddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Burt</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99888</link>
		<dc:creator>Burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No-one should be instructing my children unless they can prove they are card-carrying, dues-paying members of the NEA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-one should be instructing my children unless they can prove they are card-carrying, dues-paying members of the NEA!</p>
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		<title>By: MWTexas</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99885</link>
		<dc:creator>MWTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this. I also think it establishes a dangerous precedent that Obama believes he can usurp the entire elementary education system in this country to spread whatever message he wants, whenever he wants. He has bypassed the school boards which are the local controlling authority on what constitutes the curriculum within State guidelines. We have to make sure the White House is aware that many people, myself included, simply do not trust them to be involved with any aspect of their child&#039;s upbringing, health care, or education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this. I also think it establishes a dangerous precedent that Obama believes he can usurp the entire elementary education system in this country to spread whatever message he wants, whenever he wants. He has bypassed the school boards which are the local controlling authority on what constitutes the curriculum within State guidelines. We have to make sure the White House is aware that many people, myself included, simply do not trust them to be involved with any aspect of their child&#8217;s upbringing, health care, or education.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Sept. 8 Is National Skip School for Freedom Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Sept. 8 Is National Skip School for Freedom Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OCBill</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99881</link>
		<dc:creator>OCBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A government-sponsored study from a few years back found that most in-home daycare providers, like grandmothers for instance, weren&#039;t really qualified because they lacked the extensive, state-authorized Child Development training found at licensed daycare facilities.  This was the government&#039;s way of saying that they are more qualified to raise your child than you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A government-sponsored study from a few years back found that most in-home daycare providers, like grandmothers for instance, weren&#8217;t really qualified because they lacked the extensive, state-authorized Child Development training found at licensed daycare facilities.  This was the government&#8217;s way of saying that they are more qualified to raise your child than you are.</p>
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		<title>By: kcom</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99880</link>
		<dc:creator>kcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, my answer to you would be that you&#039;re in the classroom with the children and have direct responsibility for their welfare.  What you do with them is a direct part of your job and you&#039;re accountable for that, both as an employee of the school district and as a human being in charge (at least for that moment) of someone else&#039;s minor children.  Barack Obama, and the state in general, has no such responsibilities.  I take &quot;Daddyism&quot; to mean that, in analogy to &quot;nannystate-ism&quot;, the state is trying to usurp the role traditionally and rightly reserved for families and others in direct contact with the individuals involved.  Barack Obama is not going to put a bandage on any kid&#039;s knee and no one expects him to.  That&#039;s the parent&#039;s job if it happens at home.   That&#039;s your job if it happens during the school day, as an adjunct to the parents&#039; primary role (parents who you presumably have met and know).  Moral instruction is also the parents&#039; ultimate responsibility, with support by you, as a direct supervisor of the child during a significant portion of the day, as an adjunct.  But when a president uses his office to usurp those roles, declares he&#039;s going to talk to all school children, and releases a lesson plan saying kids should write letters saying how they can help him (even if it&#039;s just to &quot;help him&quot; by pledging to do well in school) he&#039;s arrogating to himself the role of moral instruction that naturally belongs to the parents.  And he&#039;s doing it backhandedly by bypassing the parents through a venue over which they don&#039;t have direct control.  The parents have some say about what you do with their children.  They have no say over what Obama&#039;s going to do.  That&#039;s daddyism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, my answer to you would be that you&#8217;re in the classroom with the children and have direct responsibility for their welfare.  What you do with them is a direct part of your job and you&#8217;re accountable for that, both as an employee of the school district and as a human being in charge (at least for that moment) of someone else&#8217;s minor children.  Barack Obama, and the state in general, has no such responsibilities.  I take &#8220;Daddyism&#8221; to mean that, in analogy to &#8220;nannystate-ism&#8221;, the state is trying to usurp the role traditionally and rightly reserved for families and others in direct contact with the individuals involved.  Barack Obama is not going to put a bandage on any kid&#8217;s knee and no one expects him to.  That&#8217;s the parent&#8217;s job if it happens at home.   That&#8217;s your job if it happens during the school day, as an adjunct to the parents&#8217; primary role (parents who you presumably have met and know).  Moral instruction is also the parents&#8217; ultimate responsibility, with support by you, as a direct supervisor of the child during a significant portion of the day, as an adjunct.  But when a president uses his office to usurp those roles, declares he&#8217;s going to talk to all school children, and releases a lesson plan saying kids should write letters saying how they can help him (even if it&#8217;s just to &#8220;help him&#8221; by pledging to do well in school) he&#8217;s arrogating to himself the role of moral instruction that naturally belongs to the parents.  And he&#8217;s doing it backhandedly by bypassing the parents through a venue over which they don&#8217;t have direct control.  The parents have some say about what you do with their children.  They have no say over what Obama&#8217;s going to do.  That&#8217;s daddyism.</p>
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		<title>By: JWD</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99878</link>
		<dc:creator>JWD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is really sad is that Sasha and Malia won&#039;t be viewing this tape since for some odd reason they are not enrolled in Washington D.C. public schools...

Then again, I&#039;m sure the Sidwell Friends school will have it on new 42&quot; LCD TVs in each classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is really sad is that Sasha and Malia won&#8217;t be viewing this tape since for some odd reason they are not enrolled in Washington D.C. public schools&#8230;</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;m sure the Sidwell Friends school will have it on new 42&#8243; LCD TVs in each classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: agent bedhead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2009/09/02/call-response/#comment-99873</link>
		<dc:creator>agent bedhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I&#039;m tired of all of the public school bashing these days. How many of us went to public schools in the Clinton age? And we turned out just fine regardless, maybe even Republican/Libertarian. One doesn&#039;t need to be a wealthy snob who can afford $12,000 tuition to overcome groupthink. In fact, it almost makes us stronger if we can learn at an early age to think for ourselves, regardless of what our cohorts fall prey to. Isn&#039;t the Right all about helping ourselves and not growing dependent on how the government tells us about what to think and how to do it? Methinks enduring public education can actually teach our kids a life skill in this way. After all, it&#039;s a lot more difficult, as an adult, to learn to cope with the brainwashed masses in the workplace, and, yes, they&#039;re everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I&#8217;m tired of all of the public school bashing these days. How many of us went to public schools in the Clinton age? And we turned out just fine regardless, maybe even Republican/Libertarian. One doesn&#8217;t need to be a wealthy snob who can afford $12,000 tuition to overcome groupthink. In fact, it almost makes us stronger if we can learn at an early age to think for ourselves, regardless of what our cohorts fall prey to. Isn&#8217;t the Right all about helping ourselves and not growing dependent on how the government tells us about what to think and how to do it? Methinks enduring public education can actually teach our kids a life skill in this way. After all, it&#8217;s a lot more difficult, as an adult, to learn to cope with the brainwashed masses in the workplace, and, yes, they&#8217;re everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a shorter answer for Sue, which may reflect Stephen&#039;s thinking: Cult of Personality.

&#039;Nuff said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a shorter answer for Sue, which may reflect Stephen&#8217;s thinking: Cult of Personality.</p>
<p>&#8216;Nuff said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barnstable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnstable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue,

I think I understand your concern, but I believe you are conflating morality and ethics.

Ethics is you saying to my daughter, &quot;We do not hit each other in this class.  If you do this, you will be corrected (isolated, written up, grade lowered, etc.).&quot;

Morality is you saying to my daughter, &quot;It&#039;s never okay to use violence.  Good people don&#039;t hit other people.&quot;

If you can&#039;t see the difference between the two, then I may not want you to teach my kid.

Helping, hugging, hand-holding, other expressions of compassion--these are actions, and thus belong in the ethical sphere.  The great majority of the time, they are welcome and positive.  But they may be informed by a wide range of moralities.  

I may choose to act compassionately because I feel a duty to do so, and may not feel much affection for the children I so act toward.  The risk being that I may be stiff or cold and not connect as well with the child. Or, I may act compassionately because I empathize with and feel real affection for the child.  The risk being that I might reside somewhere on the continuum of affection rather too close to, say, a Michael Jackson.

As a parent, morality is my job, and part of that job is to support those ethical rules and behaviors that a teacher promotes in his or her classroom, TO THE EXTENT that my morality agrees with those ethics.

For instance, I would support the rule of no hitting, UNTIL my daughter is hit--at which point I would allow her to use force appropriate to discourage further attention of that kind.  Because my family&#039;s morality is not that &quot;violence is always wrong,&quot; but that &quot;violence is only to be used defensively, and then only if other options will not work.&quot;  When and if the classroom rule conflicts with my family&#039;s moral code, I expect my daughter to act according to our moral code, and she can expect me to protect and support her by stepping in to explain, negotiate, and if necessary remove her from that conflicting environment if it is serious enough.

Bringing this back around to the President, I&#039;ve read the agenda for this speech and believe that, while there is much to recommend it, there is also a curious &quot;cult of personality&quot; and reversal of authority implied in the speech which I believe conflicts with my moral code.  The President works for us, not the other way around.  Many of the particular things this particular President has done or plans to do while in office are also troubling to me.  I see no reason to use any of my daughter’s valuable learning time in listening to an advertisement for the President.

I am not, nor I believe are many people, calling for this speech to be banned or disallowed.  I am merely planning to keep my child from exposure to what I believe is an attempt at indoctrination of an authoritarian kind, in a context that engenders groupthink, to an audience that is exceptionally susceptible to suggestion.

Any slippery slope in this event is being greased by the President, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue,</p>
<p>I think I understand your concern, but I believe you are conflating morality and ethics.</p>
<p>Ethics is you saying to my daughter, &#8220;We do not hit each other in this class.  If you do this, you will be corrected (isolated, written up, grade lowered, etc.).&#8221;</p>
<p>Morality is you saying to my daughter, &#8220;It&#8217;s never okay to use violence.  Good people don&#8217;t hit other people.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t see the difference between the two, then I may not want you to teach my kid.</p>
<p>Helping, hugging, hand-holding, other expressions of compassion&#8211;these are actions, and thus belong in the ethical sphere.  The great majority of the time, they are welcome and positive.  But they may be informed by a wide range of moralities.  </p>
<p>I may choose to act compassionately because I feel a duty to do so, and may not feel much affection for the children I so act toward.  The risk being that I may be stiff or cold and not connect as well with the child. Or, I may act compassionately because I empathize with and feel real affection for the child.  The risk being that I might reside somewhere on the continuum of affection rather too close to, say, a Michael Jackson.</p>
<p>As a parent, morality is my job, and part of that job is to support those ethical rules and behaviors that a teacher promotes in his or her classroom, TO THE EXTENT that my morality agrees with those ethics.</p>
<p>For instance, I would support the rule of no hitting, UNTIL my daughter is hit&#8211;at which point I would allow her to use force appropriate to discourage further attention of that kind.  Because my family&#8217;s morality is not that &#8220;violence is always wrong,&#8221; but that &#8220;violence is only to be used defensively, and then only if other options will not work.&#8221;  When and if the classroom rule conflicts with my family&#8217;s moral code, I expect my daughter to act according to our moral code, and she can expect me to protect and support her by stepping in to explain, negotiate, and if necessary remove her from that conflicting environment if it is serious enough.</p>
<p>Bringing this back around to the President, I&#8217;ve read the agenda for this speech and believe that, while there is much to recommend it, there is also a curious &#8220;cult of personality&#8221; and reversal of authority implied in the speech which I believe conflicts with my moral code.  The President works for us, not the other way around.  Many of the particular things this particular President has done or plans to do while in office are also troubling to me.  I see no reason to use any of my daughter’s valuable learning time in listening to an advertisement for the President.</p>
<p>I am not, nor I believe are many people, calling for this speech to be banned or disallowed.  I am merely planning to keep my child from exposure to what I believe is an attempt at indoctrination of an authoritarian kind, in a context that engenders groupthink, to an audience that is exceptionally susceptible to suggestion.</p>
<p>Any slippery slope in this event is being greased by the President, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;as I sat at my little desk in my plaid skirt and saddle shoes&quot;

Hmm... School wasn&#039;t ever that kinky when I went there.

Oh wait... You were a GIRL.

Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as I sat at my little desk in my plaid skirt and saddle shoes&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; School wasn&#8217;t ever that kinky when I went there.</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230; You were a GIRL.</p>
<p>Never mind.</p>
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