A Kerry volunteer trotted up James Lileks’ new front steps over the weekend. The resulting conversation was priceless (it’s at the end of today’s Bleat).
Its a good thing that these people never show up on my doorstep… I honestly think I would’ve slapped someone who told me that.
I still think it would be fun to get rid of withholding from you paycheck for taxes… make people write one big check out once a year and realize just how much the government is taking….
I’m still stunned by her question “well what did you do?” As if he found the money under a rock rather as opposed to doing a hard day’s work and earning it.
This really sums up the left’s concept of society. Regardless if you work for it, it’s really not your money and you should be grateful the IRS lets you keep as much as you do.
It also sums up the view of the young-and-in-college, most of whom have yet to a) make any money or b) realize that in order to make any money, you actually have to do stuff.
Much changes once you escape the stale 60s-scented bubble of higher education.
Thank God for engineering/tech schools, we had our fair share of leftist idiots, but at least they weren’t running the place.
Not to meantion our education actually prepared us for a real job.
That young woman has a great deal of growing up to do. The world is a lot more complicated than she realizes.
It also sums up the view of the young-and-in-college
You know, that reminds me of a great line in Ghostbusters in the beginning when they were kicked off campus:
Ray Stanz: “I liked it here. They gave us money and facilities and we didn’t have to produce anything. You’ve never worked in the private sector, I have. They expect results.”
I wonder how many people out there think that anyone that earns more than so much is evil.
My interpretation of “unfair tax cuts for the rich” is that I make too much, and should be taxed in a way that essentially takes away everything I earn above a certain level. Am I just paranoid?
I lean towards Lileks…..it was my money in the first place, and if I want to add a deck, upgrade my carpets, etc, it isn’t anyone elses dang business what I do with a tax cut.
That little girl has never been to my doorstep. She might get shown the short detour down my stairs.
I think we’ve found the first cute little helpless liberal for Moxie’s Petting Zoo!!
Priceless! Bravo! The exchange was brilliant.
This is similar to an exchange between Pat Buchanaan and some DNC drone on the news one morning. The deluded DNC dunce talked about the evils of tax cuts taking “the Treasury’s money,” and Buchannan interupted saying, “No. That’s wrong. It’s not the Treasury’s money. It’s the people’s money, and we’re just letting them keep more of it.”
I’m not a fan of Buchanaan, but I loved the way that he wouldn’t let that kind of stupidity go unchallenged.
This exchange proves to me the old saw about young liberals with hearts and old conservatives with brains…too much emotion involved in her politics and too little thinking
Ian’s comments remind me that separating the wheat from the chaff of college socialists comes with the paycheck. One must be a serious true believer not to look at the withholding figures and contemplate thoughts of … er, hey, Ian, what’s the democratic republic equivalent of regicide?
I think everyone who went to college has had the “first paycheck” experience. You know, when you look down at your first paycheck and compare your gross salary with your net, after taxes salary, and then you think to yourself “I’m voting Republican.”
There’s a similar phenomenon associated with giving change to street folks. When I was in college, I gave my change away all the time. Why? It wasn’t mine, that’s why. Now that I work, I tend to respond internally to people asking for my change by thinking “get a job.” Nothing frustrates me more than seeing someone my age with a fully functioning physique asking me for money. It’s as if they’re saying, “I don’t want to work, and I think I’m entitled to the money you earn from your own labor.”
“To be conservative at 20 is heartless and to be a liberal at 60 is plain idiocy.”- Winston Churchill
The thief that runs the Treasury in the UK (Gordon Brown) has pretty much the same take as the chump from the DNC. Untaxed income is known, in the Treasury’s parlance, as a ‘tax cost’. How apposite are these Beatles lyrics:
“…Ian, what’s the democratic republic equivalent of regicide?”
Since you recognize that it’s my money I assume you’ve got my back if I decide to keep it all, right?
To assert that any level of taxation is justified is to assert that the individual is only holding property at the discretion of the collective because it asserts that the collective is entitled to take what it sees fit.
So is it really my property or not?
It’s called the social compact, JTK. You can keep all your money, just don’t do it here were you benefit from our military, our highways, and our overall stability. You don’t want to pay any taxes to DC? Fine. Just don’t let the screen door hit you in the backside on the way to Antigua. (I can’t believe I’m taking the side of the tax collectors on this…)
taxation is theft
cyberluddite you know you’re on a mild randian blog eh?
talk about the wrong location for arguing for statism!
“It’s called the social compact,”
Ain’t no such animal. Ain’t never seen it. Ain’t never signed it. Can you tell me what it says? What? You mean you’ve never seen it either? Where did it come from? Who wrote it? If you don’t know what’s in it, how can you lecture me on A) how much I owe the gov’t and B) what the gov’t owes me in return? As far as I can tell, “social compact” means 50%+1 gets to decide how to spend my money.
An invisible law is a tool of tyrants, not free men.
So, JohH: Do I take it that you will be saving money to pay for your OWN roads in the future, since you’ll be staying OFF OF MINE? After all, it would compromise your pretty dormroom principles to profit from MY tax dollars, no?
Hey: Gonna use that arguement when you have a traffic accident? “Sorry officer, I don’t believe in the concept of a tax-supported police or fire service. Please go away and leave me in this burning car… I wouldn’t want to accept your services, since by my lights that would be accepting stolen goods”?
JTK: Moving out of the country any time soon? After all, I wouldn’t want you to feel uncomfortable n’ shit, accepting the protection of the United States military when you obviously regard the safeguarding of your freedom as an unfair imposition on your rights.
All three of you: PROVE your Libertarian creds! BURN YOUR DOLLARS NOW!!! After all, they were PRINTED on a Government-owned, Government-run printing press paid for with YOUR TAX-THIEVED MONEY!!! Stolen goods, man!
Do you think there is anything wrong with what the Kerry volunteer said? Are Americans collectively entitled to decide who gets what by virtue of your social compact or not?
So you agree with her in principle that the government should take from people to provide for the common good, right?
Having the government take some of our money in order to operate is better than not having a government at all.
However, that doesn’t mean that having the government take more money is preferable to having it take less money. It doesn’t mean that having the government take less money is a “gift” to anyone. It doesn’t mean that the government is rightfully entitled to any role it wants to take on, and any amount of resources it wants to use for such roles, just because it has a vital role to fill for which there is no alternative for having it take some of our resources.
Taxes are a necessary evil, not a positive good. Depriving people of their money is something to be done because the only alternative is anarchy, not because of a misguided idea that we’re all better off when those people have less money.