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		<title>By: arthur</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/voting-present-on-iran/#comment-20489</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if there is anything the USA can do about the government in Iran, and as if that would help democracy, freedom or the American economy! We changed the government in Iraq, and look at the cost, and it is ongoing. we have not the economy or public support, or the will of allies to effectively use military options against Iran. the only realistic option is trying various forms of diplomacy, none of which has worked for any president yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if there is anything the USA can do about the government in Iran, and as if that would help democracy, freedom or the American economy! We changed the government in Iraq, and look at the cost, and it is ongoing. we have not the economy or public support, or the will of allies to effectively use military options against Iran. the only realistic option is trying various forms of diplomacy, none of which has worked for any president yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#62, Harvard Yard Conservative, just one slight suggestion.  &quot;I&#039;ll read another speech&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#62, Harvard Yard Conservative, just one slight suggestion.  &#8220;I&#8217;ll read another speech&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/voting-present-on-iran/#comment-20163</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essential vdh

#2 Mike: Good and accurate detail and conclusions.

Iran could also be a lesson to the US.  It was a pro democracy state under the Shah.  Was it perfect no. What happened.

Left wing Utopians in the land of Oz have commented on this &quot;Shah problem&quot; coming to various left wing useless conclusions in the Media and in this blog.

Perhaps the appropriate conclusion to come away with is how a modern, pro-democracy,advancing individual rights country can be pushed back into a radicalized religious Anti democratic state controlled by Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists---while being fewer in number than the pro-western democratic citizens in Iran going about their &quot;business&quot;.

It reminds some of us of how the BHO administration is using his &quot;mandate to revolutionize&quot; America into a socialist anti-capital state. Subversion by definition. 

The BHO &quot;radical change&quot; has been so easy now in &quot;Dumbed down America&quot;--we didn&#039;t even have or apparently need a fighting revolution. 

Why even mention the MSM, hypnotized by their own needy PC positions based on a dumbed down moronic view of the world. 

All that was needed. Just a little dumbed down welfare condition for fast growing parasitic minority &quot;groups&quot; and a few Acorns stuffing boxes and collecting human debris on the streets and leveraging it for a day.

Many X&#039;s on ballets. Then dumping the human debris again--back on the street needing to exist for no higher purpose than Acorn&#039;s use.  

Just Acorn, BHO and a bunch of PC idiot representatives on the Democratic side and the same on the Republican side have brought this about.

None seem to be aware that what is happening in the BHO revolution is Non Constitutional. 

Judges who talk about a PC &quot;living constitution&quot;. Creating a watered down manifesto for a power grab from the individual to the state. Job security for PC indoctrinated Judicial idiots. No blindfolds here.

It is a perfumed scorpion and the PC smell is enough for our dumbed down politicians. 

Does anyone by now believe that Pelosi or Bidden could even build and maintain an outhouse. Does anyone know what Bush ment by a &quot;Compassionate Conservatism&quot;?  

When one thinks about all the Americans who have given their lives since the &quot;beginning&quot; of America to defend the constitution it makes one want to fight or leave and find a &quot;better place&quot; in the world.

America is now the most &quot;communist&quot; super power in the world if the BHO agenda gets implemented. 

We know how well that has worked out historically.  At least those Americans who can still read now above the 5th grade level and have access to the real history books instead of the PC rewrites, presented by the rarefied intellectual air in the Teachers Unions.

What happened? Really!

History is simply repeating itself based on the Human condition. 

We are no longer being brought up to be individually responsible citizens--lions to &quot;feed and protect&quot; the &quot;others&quot;.  We are being brought up as the victims. PC vegetarians,our brains do not even work right now,the essential fats are gone, multicultural, passive parasites that have been so dumbed down that we do not see that BHO and his &quot;followers&quot; are nothing but Judas goats. We are now sheep.

Those who are aware already know we are on the road to failure and tragedy. 

It will be serious and it will be deadly when it finally has to end--like vdh says--a human condition and a tragedy for all Americans. 

No longer a beacon or sanctuary in the vicious dark night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essential vdh</p>
<p>#2 Mike: Good and accurate detail and conclusions.</p>
<p>Iran could also be a lesson to the US.  It was a pro democracy state under the Shah.  Was it perfect no. What happened.</p>
<p>Left wing Utopians in the land of Oz have commented on this &#8220;Shah problem&#8221; coming to various left wing useless conclusions in the Media and in this blog.</p>
<p>Perhaps the appropriate conclusion to come away with is how a modern, pro-democracy,advancing individual rights country can be pushed back into a radicalized religious Anti democratic state controlled by Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists&#8212;while being fewer in number than the pro-western democratic citizens in Iran going about their &#8220;business&#8221;.</p>
<p>It reminds some of us of how the BHO administration is using his &#8220;mandate to revolutionize&#8221; America into a socialist anti-capital state. Subversion by definition. </p>
<p>The BHO &#8220;radical change&#8221; has been so easy now in &#8220;Dumbed down America&#8221;&#8211;we didn&#8217;t even have or apparently need a fighting revolution. </p>
<p>Why even mention the MSM, hypnotized by their own needy PC positions based on a dumbed down moronic view of the world. </p>
<p>All that was needed. Just a little dumbed down welfare condition for fast growing parasitic minority &#8220;groups&#8221; and a few Acorns stuffing boxes and collecting human debris on the streets and leveraging it for a day.</p>
<p>Many X&#8217;s on ballets. Then dumping the human debris again&#8211;back on the street needing to exist for no higher purpose than Acorn&#8217;s use.  </p>
<p>Just Acorn, BHO and a bunch of PC idiot representatives on the Democratic side and the same on the Republican side have brought this about.</p>
<p>None seem to be aware that what is happening in the BHO revolution is Non Constitutional. </p>
<p>Judges who talk about a PC &#8220;living constitution&#8221;. Creating a watered down manifesto for a power grab from the individual to the state. Job security for PC indoctrinated Judicial idiots. No blindfolds here.</p>
<p>It is a perfumed scorpion and the PC smell is enough for our dumbed down politicians. </p>
<p>Does anyone by now believe that Pelosi or Bidden could even build and maintain an outhouse. Does anyone know what Bush ment by a &#8220;Compassionate Conservatism&#8221;?  </p>
<p>When one thinks about all the Americans who have given their lives since the &#8220;beginning&#8221; of America to defend the constitution it makes one want to fight or leave and find a &#8220;better place&#8221; in the world.</p>
<p>America is now the most &#8220;communist&#8221; super power in the world if the BHO agenda gets implemented. </p>
<p>We know how well that has worked out historically.  At least those Americans who can still read now above the 5th grade level and have access to the real history books instead of the PC rewrites, presented by the rarefied intellectual air in the Teachers Unions.</p>
<p>What happened? Really!</p>
<p>History is simply repeating itself based on the Human condition. </p>
<p>We are no longer being brought up to be individually responsible citizens&#8211;lions to &#8220;feed and protect&#8221; the &#8220;others&#8221;.  We are being brought up as the victims. PC vegetarians,our brains do not even work right now,the essential fats are gone, multicultural, passive parasites that have been so dumbed down that we do not see that BHO and his &#8220;followers&#8221; are nothing but Judas goats. We are now sheep.</p>
<p>Those who are aware already know we are on the road to failure and tragedy. </p>
<p>It will be serious and it will be deadly when it finally has to end&#8211;like vdh says&#8211;a human condition and a tragedy for all Americans. </p>
<p>No longer a beacon or sanctuary in the vicious dark night.</p>
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		<title>By: TLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trials and tribulations of being a smart new president. You stick out the hand of friendship, er appeasement, to your most recalcitrant foe, and a few months later he uses your acknowledgment of his legitimacy to rig his own re-election. The crowd in his country then goes wild and a mini-revolution breaks out, denouncing said leader. Now, what to do for our newly smarter president? Well, all so-called legitimate national leaders hate to see one of their own — or one that they have helped make one of their own — enmeshed in such unpleasantness. The natural tendency for a now &quot;smarter&quot; new president, therefore, is to sit on his thumbs, say nothing of consequence and hope it all blows over. Oh, and invest in a box of Depends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trials and tribulations of being a smart new president. You stick out the hand of friendship, er appeasement, to your most recalcitrant foe, and a few months later he uses your acknowledgment of his legitimacy to rig his own re-election. The crowd in his country then goes wild and a mini-revolution breaks out, denouncing said leader. Now, what to do for our newly smarter president? Well, all so-called legitimate national leaders hate to see one of their own — or one that they have helped make one of their own — enmeshed in such unpleasantness. The natural tendency for a now &#8220;smarter&#8221; new president, therefore, is to sit on his thumbs, say nothing of consequence and hope it all blows over. Oh, and invest in a box of Depends.</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Dyer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/voting-present-on-iran/#comment-20040</link>
		<dc:creator>J.E. Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Professor, the mullahs seem to have understood America&#039;s utopians perfectly.

When a regime is butchering its own people as they demonstrate in the street, and appears likely to need to do that on a larger scale to repress them back into &quot;order,&quot; and restore its own power over them -- the argument that speaking out against that brutality might make the regime suspect us of meddling is manifestly pathetic.

For about 5 minutes at the very outset of this crisis, there was perhaps a marginal case to be made that Obama could make things worse by expressing support for fair electoral outcomes, the aspiration to real consensual government, and the human rights of the protestors in Iran.

That window passed quickly.  We have been at the point, for days, at which the right thing to do is quite obviously for Obama to condemn the regime&#039;s violence against its people, and express solidarity with those people, and the readiness of the United States to stand with a truly fair and consensual outcome, if they can achieve it.

Yet the administration fears to do the right thing.  Why?  Clearly not because it would make anything worse.  The Council is expelling foreign journalists, and most observers expect a bloody crackdown by the Revolutionary Guard in the next few days.

The Iranians are not backwoods idiots.  They know America can&#039;t send the cavalry over the hill to fix their problem for them.  Obama expressing support for the reformist demonstrators would not raise false hopes in that regard.  What it WOULD do is tell them that we, in America, recognize that they are real, viable, organized, and to be taken seriously -- that our hand is out, and if they can forge a path to liberalization, we will support them on it.

Obama has, unfortunately, said nothing that would lead them to think that.  If the line between hope and despair becomes the tiebreaker for them, the American president has not given them reason to hold onto hope.

There are things we could be doing.  My last two blog pieces outline thoughts on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Professor, the mullahs seem to have understood America&#8217;s utopians perfectly.</p>
<p>When a regime is butchering its own people as they demonstrate in the street, and appears likely to need to do that on a larger scale to repress them back into &#8220;order,&#8221; and restore its own power over them &#8212; the argument that speaking out against that brutality might make the regime suspect us of meddling is manifestly pathetic.</p>
<p>For about 5 minutes at the very outset of this crisis, there was perhaps a marginal case to be made that Obama could make things worse by expressing support for fair electoral outcomes, the aspiration to real consensual government, and the human rights of the protestors in Iran.</p>
<p>That window passed quickly.  We have been at the point, for days, at which the right thing to do is quite obviously for Obama to condemn the regime&#8217;s violence against its people, and express solidarity with those people, and the readiness of the United States to stand with a truly fair and consensual outcome, if they can achieve it.</p>
<p>Yet the administration fears to do the right thing.  Why?  Clearly not because it would make anything worse.  The Council is expelling foreign journalists, and most observers expect a bloody crackdown by the Revolutionary Guard in the next few days.</p>
<p>The Iranians are not backwoods idiots.  They know America can&#8217;t send the cavalry over the hill to fix their problem for them.  Obama expressing support for the reformist demonstrators would not raise false hopes in that regard.  What it WOULD do is tell them that we, in America, recognize that they are real, viable, organized, and to be taken seriously &#8212; that our hand is out, and if they can forge a path to liberalization, we will support them on it.</p>
<p>Obama has, unfortunately, said nothing that would lead them to think that.  If the line between hope and despair becomes the tiebreaker for them, the American president has not given them reason to hold onto hope.</p>
<p>There are things we could be doing.  My last two blog pieces outline thoughts on that.</p>
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		<title>By: TLM</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wl25:

Unfortunately, this kind of analysis is completely lost on the post baby boomer generations in this country. They neither know nor care to know anything about Cold War political decisions made by their country. Much easier for them to accept that our actions were wrong in &#039;53, and never understand how or why we did what we did. Obama&#039;s apology to Iran only reinforces this attitude among young Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wl25:</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this kind of analysis is completely lost on the post baby boomer generations in this country. They neither know nor care to know anything about Cold War political decisions made by their country. Much easier for them to accept that our actions were wrong in &#8217;53, and never understand how or why we did what we did. Obama&#8217;s apology to Iran only reinforces this attitude among young Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wl25:  Not only that, but 85%-95% of the populace approved of bringing the Shah back. 
Military, merchants, clergy, farmers, and on and on.

The only people who wanted to keep the Mossadegh government were the outright communists and a small minority of students.

The reason was, Mossadegh was elected on a platform of making Iran into a constitutional
monarchy and once in office did his own coup
to establish a &quot;peoples republic&quot;.

The US effort in this matter was a counter-coup, not an originating coup.

Thank you Kermit Roosevelt and Harry Truman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wl25:  Not only that, but 85%-95% of the populace approved of bringing the Shah back.<br />
Military, merchants, clergy, farmers, and on and on.</p>
<p>The only people who wanted to keep the Mossadegh government were the outright communists and a small minority of students.</p>
<p>The reason was, Mossadegh was elected on a platform of making Iran into a constitutional<br />
monarchy and once in office did his own coup<br />
to establish a &#8220;peoples republic&#8221;.</p>
<p>The US effort in this matter was a counter-coup, not an originating coup.</p>
<p>Thank you Kermit Roosevelt and Harry Truman.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Obama&#039;s Comments&lt;/b&gt;

Obama&#039;s comments will not impact the behavior of the Iranian government nor the protesters; They are both fighting as hard as they can for their sides.

Obama&#039;s words will effect the possible support demonstrations around the world, and other governments.    If marchers from Mexico City to Beijing hold up signs that say &quot;Where&#039;s Irans Vote?&quot; that could have an impact.  And Obama can help that along.</description>
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<p>Obama&#8217;s comments will not impact the behavior of the Iranian government nor the protesters; They are both fighting as hard as they can for their sides.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s words will effect the possible support demonstrations around the world, and other governments.    If marchers from Mexico City to Beijing hold up signs that say &#8220;Where&#8217;s Irans Vote?&#8221; that could have an impact.  And Obama can help that along.</p>
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		<title>By: The Shadow</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>samH as usual yooudon&#039;t knwo what your atalking about - By theway I served for three years in Army Intelligence -not that that me any expert.  What i do know is that we have little power to control events in Iran now.  Using the bully pulpit would be worthless - what do you suggest.  I don&#039;t remeber your hero doign anything after Tienenman Square.  How do you expect to keep them from getting the bomb?  I am waiting for some realistic policy options - like Hanson who has not had a original idea in years, you have not idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>samH as usual yooudon&#8217;t knwo what your atalking about &#8211; By theway I served for three years in Army Intelligence -not that that me any expert.  What i do know is that we have little power to control events in Iran now.  Using the bully pulpit would be worthless &#8211; what do you suggest.  I don&#8217;t remeber your hero doign anything after Tienenman Square.  How do you expect to keep them from getting the bomb?  I am waiting for some realistic policy options &#8211; like Hanson who has not had a original idea in years, you have not idea</p>
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		<title>By: Harvard Yard Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvard Yard Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the years leading up to Pearl Harbor, Tinseltown&#039;s Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney, in movie after movie, proclaimed, &quot;I&#039;ve got a great idea.  Let&#039;s put on a show!&quot;

Today, in response to each new crisis, the stalwart speaking wet noodle, thinks to himself, &quot;Hey, I know.  I&#039;ll give another speech!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the years leading up to Pearl Harbor, Tinseltown&#8217;s Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney, in movie after movie, proclaimed, &#8220;I&#8217;ve got a great idea.  Let&#8217;s put on a show!&#8221;</p>
<p>Today, in response to each new crisis, the stalwart speaking wet noodle, thinks to himself, &#8220;Hey, I know.  I&#8217;ll give another speech!&#8221;</p>
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