Raging Against “Them”
It’s All Greek to Us
In very un-Icelandic fashion, last week protestors in Athens tried to blow up a downtown courthouse. Over a year after the Hellenic meltdown, the Greek newspapers still reflect the popular fury—protests, strikes, senseless violence—at the mandatory cutbacks, the public sector layoffs, and the high-interest needed to attract investors to shaky Greek bonds. And yet amid the furor, 60% of the public still polls in favor of the European Union. How are we to diagnose the drowning non-swimmer who eagerly grasps—and yet hates—the life preserver?
A bit of story-telling: When I lived in Greece in the 1970s, it was a relatively poor country. The road system was deplorable; the airport at Athens was little more than an insulated warehouse. I usually stayed in hotels with bathrooms down the hall. A bus trip of about 200 miles translated into about a six hour marathon. The buses were often of eastern European make and spewed black smoke into the Athenian air whose toxic bite could devour marble. Rail travel was nightmarish (biking was quicker). There was no bridge across the Gulf of Corinth. The Athens “subway” was little more than a 19th century electric carriage.
Greeks’ second homes were one bedroom village affairs. It was rare to see a Mercedes in Athens. I knew one Greek who had a swimming pool. Getting off an island ferry boat usually meant meeting a swarm of older ladies trying to hawk you their extra bedroom for rent.
You get the picture:1970s Greece reflected a small southern Balkan population wedded to a siesta lifestyle, on a rocky peninsula in which there was little wealth other than tourism, a poorly developed agriculture, some shipping, and remittances from Greek expatriates in the United States and Germany.
Fast forward to the post-Olympics Greece: five star hotels, 20,000 plus private swimming pools (most of them unreported for tax purposes), half the work force ensconced in cushy government or government-related jobs, Attica dotted with Riviera-like second homes, BMWs more common than Mercedeses, billions of euros worth of new highways, and a new airport and subway system.
In other words, somehow a country without a manufacturing base and with poor productivity, a small population, an inefficient statist economy, and bloated public sector suddenly went from near third world status to a standard of living not that much different from a Munich or Amsterdam. How? Did Greek socialism produce all that wealth?
Well, we know the answer: northern European cash—borrowed, given, or swindled. The radical new affluence in part was justified by the fact that Germans and Scandinavians wanted good infrastructure and facilities when they went on their annual summer Greek vacations—along with pan-EU pipe dreams and fraudulent Greek book keeping that disguised massive debt.
Now? Oz is over with and the Greeks are furious at “them.” Furious in the sense that everyone must be blamed except themselves. So they protest and demonstrate that they do not wish to stop borrowing money to sustain a lifestyle that they have not earned—but do not wish to cut ties either with their EU beneficiaries and go it alone as in the 1970s. So they rage against reality.
California Got What It Wanted
The same is true of California. Our elites liked the idea of stopping new gas and oil extraction, shutting down the nuclear power industry, freezing state east-west freeways, strangling the mining and timber industries, cutting off water to agriculture in the Central Valley, diverting revenues from fixing roads and bridges to redistributive entitlements, and praising the new multicultural state that would welcome in half the nation’s 11-15 million illegal aliens. Better yet, the red-state-minded “they” (the nasty upper one-percent who stole from the rest of us due to their grasping but superfluous businesses) began to leave at the rate of 3,000 a week, ensuring the state a Senator Barbara Boxer into her nineties.
Yes, we are proud that we have changed the attitude, lifestyle, and demography of the state, made it “green,”and have the highest paid public employees and the most generous welfare system—and do not have to soil our hands with nasty things like farming, oil production, or nuclear power. And now we are broke. Our infrastructure is crumbling and an embarrassment. My environs is known as “Zimbabwe” or “Appalachia” for its new third-world look that followed from about the highest unemployment and lowest per capita income in the nation. Again, thanks to the deep South, our schools are not quite last in reading and math. So of course, like the Greeks, we are mad at somebody other than ourselves. Californians are desperate for a “them” fix. But who is them? “Them” either left, is leaving, or has been shut down.
Consumers are furious at spiking gas and food prices, and the collapse of state revenues. The illegal alien cadre is furious that there are cutbacks in their entitlements. The Latino community says that it cannot support anyone who wants to close the border and opposes amnesty. The public employees are furious in Greek-like fashion at the thought of cuts to pensions and lay-offs. The professors and UC administrators are either suing the state or turning on each other. Where are a few hundred Bill Gates and Warren Buffetts who would gladly pay more in taxes for the rest of us from their ill-gotten gains?







“Them” you see is simply a shorthand for “I got what I wanted, and I am mad at someone or something for not allowing the world to become what I think it should have been.”
VDH, leftists the world over have overthrown governments from the inside and the only way to implant their brand of rule, is to bribe the people with their own money.
In effect, bloated and unfunded government and union pensions were promises made for a life of blaming the “rich” for your status as a “have not” and to become junkie dependent upon the state to give “pull you even” with your oppressors.
The Mooch Putsch is a train wreck barreling down a set of tracks near you, if you live in California, Illinois, New Jersey, New York or any other hotbed of leftist “idealism”.
The Greeks are just an expressive lot. The “gifts” they received in the form of government largesse, being propped up permanently in their LaZBoy, has been derailed and somebody is going to have to continue to fan them and feed them grapes. That someone…is everyone else.
We clearly have not learned the lesson from this. Beware of gifts, bearing Greeks”
Our own Trojan horses are being served up to us in the form of illegal aliens, ACORN/SEIU tactics on home ownership for those who clearly can’t afford the loans, bloated pensions, union tactics designed to help nobody except the union heads and the Democrats in their pockets, “redistribution” via “green” hoaxes, scams and frauds, and a government that protects the rights of jihadists who want to mass murder us with greater resolve than military voters who want to defend us.
Yet, what I say is just or right, means nothing but what is in the interest of the stronger party.
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It should read “beware of gifts…baring Greeks”
It worked the other way as well. the gifts were indeed supporting, or “bearing” the Greeks, and now the Greeks can no longer be born.
call me!
??? The only thing that could mean is stripping them naked. Or exposing them.
Bearing means carrying in this case, as the Horse bore the Greek warriors into Troy.
Yes, exposing them…(or, as one bares one’s soul…)
Beware of Californians bearing gifts
Thanks for the neat wordplay…loved it. May I add….those…Barings bankers?
Different context of course, but a proud 200 year old bank suffered from basically the same human..”ME First! ME First!” …from SINgapore…
(…cough, cough, absolutely couldn’t resist that….)
In Chicago the politicians like to enslave “minority” communities by jobs through political favors. Thats what unions bought Greece and the USA.
Here’s a new animated feature that shows the insanity of the Progressives. Its very funny. http://www.marcrubin.com/hairmerica.ivnu Its time to LAUGH the Progressives into SUBMISSION. Ridicule works.
Exellent article as usual Dr. VDH. You have described a dynamic that well illustrates the nature, origin, and outcome of “spoiled” children. They are selfish, dependent, demanding, unappreciative, and never pleasent to be around. Thus the exodus of responsible, productive adults from California. Will “tough love” be applied or will we/government cater to the demands and therefore foster more of the same ? Should be an interesting 2011 as the Democrats continue on their journey of passing out other peoples money to acquire and increase dependent voters for 2012. Blame is what Liberals do best. Haven’t we all had a belly full of Obama’s “George Bush’s fault” for the past two years. About time to let the spoiled children grow up – let them screem and tantrum until they do.
Good points. Who said to the effect that if you make a small loan you have a creditor, if a large loan a partner?
Watch carefully what’s coming down the line for 2012. Mustn’t forget that California and the other insolvent States have the largest numbers of electoral votes. As in the EU central government BAILOUT and even more “loans” to profligates who know their power to politicians. To “keep the peace” more use of “other peoples’ money”. Jerry Brown one of the most profligate and Nancy Pelosi just re-elected in California.
Banks need savers and depositors who pay back their loans and pay INTO banks, do not ratchet loans they KNOW they can’t pay back. Banks pressured by politicians to forego sensible banking processes go as the nations who permit/encourage/buy populations
on other peoples’ money. As M. Thatcher said, “sooner or later you run out of other people’s money”.
The inevitable as in Weimar Germany the destruction of the economy : the SECURITY and freedom of action of the common citizen.On whose consent the power of politicians depends. For power crazed, even in expensive clothes with smooth manners ANYTHING GOES.
To add insult to injury the “let them eat cake” vacations of the Obamas, the Pelosis, the Kerrys, the Clintons etal to recapitulate Pelosis triumphant march gavel raised high at the passage of “healthcare mandate”. As if throwing down the gauntlet to Americans with NOW what’cha gonna do about that ?
Remember Pelosi’s rage and vows for revenge when the Millenium election was won by the candidate for “that vast right-wing conspiracy of H. Clinton. Which in a speech in Africa H.Clinton maintained was “stolen from the Democrats.
Given historical precedent, tell me this entire chapter in the USA as written by the “liberals”in stage,screen, radio and education in this past half-century – beginning with the election of 1960, the first election after the appearance of the “NEW” Star in the East, Sputnik – was accident. Was FATE. Was serendity. NOT a long-term engineered conspiracy of these leftist / progressives in their HOPE to destroy, to fundamentally CHANGE the structure of the USA with its RIGHTS in LAW for EACH American Citizen. To further establishment of THEIR New World Order, as in Soviet Union. China AND the European Union.
Which CHANGE is proceeding apace, in haste, with a variety of unlawful actions deliberately challenging Americans through their Congress and Court to DO THEIR DUTY as shield and guardian of that Constitution of the USA AND the RIGHTS of its citizens.
Which of our protecting agencies will pick up the gauntlet?
Nothing will be done as long as our alleged ‘representatives’ – the Ruling Class as defined by Antonio Codevilla – continue to enact illegal, immoral and unconstititional laws and to rule by fiat without consequence. With no real consequence attached to their behavior, why should they stop? They won’t stop until they’re dragged from their offices and hung from gallows lining the Capitol Mall.
Then we’ll have the problem of dealing the ‘entitled classes,’ who wil be less than pleased when the flow of other productive peoples’ money ceases. You all know what happens when you stop feeding the raccoons.
No one said that it was going to be pretty. Nothing the Left hates more than having to live by their own rules of engagement.
All quite correct, Doctor Hanson.
There is a truly weird air of unreality amongst Liberals, an almost linear relationship. The more to the Left, the more you will deny the reality before your eyes. Who ya gonna believe, the Kumbaya-ish POV or your lying eyes?
I’ve been saying in part what you have to people for some time now. The economy craps out, and the Left declaims to the heavens that saving the Dung Smelt is the cause of the day! Serious problems in the functioning of our government? To hell with that, clearly trans-fats are our most crucial issue! One of our politicians is guilty of serious ethical transgressions? Oh, but mythical Global Warming must be addressed now, before it kills us all!
Simply insane. Liberals have a positive ability to not see the forest for the trees, and if we don’t start seriously slapping them down, they will take us all down with them.
Amen. Just yesterday some numpty in the Telegraph was trying to extol the marvelous “successes” of Chavez’ Venezuela. I suspect that magical thinking is part-and-parcel of the essential juvenility of the leftist mind.
I fear it will all end in blood and tears.
At least, that’s what history says.
Rebecca,
As I said in response to another PJM post about the collapse of California, this will end in an Anglo-Spanish civil war in the State, which the Latinos will win since they have the more ruthless fighters (MS-13 and other gangs), are poorer with little to lose, and no matter how ruthless, our self-loathing, Marxist media elite will paint them as the victims.
It will reach a point where northern (and I mean north of Sacramento) and Eastern California will secede as new California, and the rest will become “El Estado de Arriba California”.
It’s all heart and no mind. Got some in the family and it’s annoying as heck.Ugg. Will they ever see the light? Only if there’s pain…maybe. Lord have mercy!
I’ve seen the after effects of attempted MS-13 marksmanship, it leaves a lot to be desired, and they are only brave and ruthless if they out number their victim 4 to 1 or better.
Yep. I once watched a half drunk redneck run 6 or 8 of these brave gang-bangers down the middle of Artesia Blvd. in Buena Park. All the time they were retreating they were talking big about what they would do to the drunk redneck if they ever decided to fight.
Most gangers are cowards.
I don’t have time to wait. We’re leaving our once wonderful little city in the East Bay. The illegals have already won here. It is not safe to stay.
Joanne– We left our East Bay city this past summer. Now that some time has passed–what a great decision that was–and after reading many VDH articles and the comments here, it is just re-enforced. Maybe, just maybe Sacramento will one day figure it out that they lost about 30K we were sending them every year and multiply it all out via the demographics. Then again, it appears math has never been one of thier strong-suits.
Best of luck on your move. BTW, I’m not a GTT (Gone To Texas)–we actually left the country for a while. That’s where this thing called jobs and opportunity are. Another thing the CA libbys haven’t grasped.
Joanne,
Best wishes. I left South Bay last year when my contract was canceled due to the economy. We had about 3 months warning that it was coming, but a lot of my fellow workers were in denial. I just updated my resume and had several offers LONG before they finally shutdown. I’m now out on the East Coast earning slightly less in gross pay, but actually keeping more in my pocket now thanks to lower cost of living, lower taxes, and shorter commute. Actually I think it was about the best thing that could have happened to me. I do miss hiking in the Sierras, but the Appalachians aren’t bad at all (just a little more crowded).
Best wishes.
I have the breakaway libertarian Alta California Republic winning the California Civil War of 2025 in “Don’t Call It ‘Virtual’”, http://www.encpress.com/VSF.html (alternative lifestyle content warning).
Though it was published in 2003, I wrote it in the 1990s and set Alta California independence against a 2020s world war of Islamic fundamentalists vs. the West, looking back from 2064. (Who knew? Yeah, right.)
If my track record holds … the PC forces lose.
Actually the war will be between liberals and convservatives. The gangs will side with the liberals. There will be bloodshed, much.
It is coming soon.
Some alcoholics have to hit rock-bottom before they sober up. Some socialists, too, apparently. Next will come the calls for a bailout. What’s another 30 billion on top of a national debt of 14 trillion? The test will be whether or not the Republican House will have the gumption to say no. I’m betting the new Congress will split the difference with some kind of compromise (aka “kick the can down the road”) because that’s what politicians usually do when faced with tough decisions. Hopefully, the breaking point will come with gas at 4 or 5 dollars per gallon. No administration can survive the wrath of American motorists. On the bright side, all that gas and oil put off-limits by the current administration is still in the ground. We’ll be off the mat and back in the fight in no time if the government referees would just get off our collective backs.
I was just popping in here to compare this all with alcoholism. The alcoholic whose life is collapsing asks, “How can I get my job back; get my wife and kids back; get out of this spiral?” And when you tell him, “First: stop drinking,” his inclination is to try and think of some way to manage it all without having to give up the booze.
Socialists go nuts when the reality hits them that they can’t have socialism AND success.
Your analogy is quite true. When presented with the ONLY option, an alcoholic, like a liberal, will try at all costs, to figure out a way to continue the abuse and make it all work out. It has to come to ROCK BOTTOM!
P.S. VDH as always has such a clear view of this.
When the stimulant stops, this is clinically known as ‘extinction’, a form of punishment.
Initially, the rats behaviour spikes and then gradually reduces to calm.
The ‘rats’ of California are beginning to spike in their behaviour, but it’s barely just begun.
>>Hopefully, the breaking point will come with gas at 4 or 5 dollars per gallon.
I’ve been saying, when that happens there will be full-on hate for . . . the oil companies. And then people will vote Democrat harder than ever.
I think the recovery rate for alcoholics is better than for socialists.
The process of recovering from socialist ideas is built on experience and personal responsibility, (and resistance to brainwashing in public schools and Universities.) Winston Churchill said, “If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” Judging by the polls, the odds for recovery are very good. Remember that BHO turned out a big increase in young, inexperienced voters when compared to previous elections.
Wow, another brilliant article that describes a very strange situation. A few days ago I was talking on the phone with a fellow that lives in the UK who was going on and on about how the evil conservatives there want to put everybody back into serfdom with their drastic measures. This guy is in his 60s and sounds like some sort of 20 year old. And what’s worse, he actually has been put back into serfdom by the state and the problem is that they are running out of money to take care of everyone (as it were — this means free everything
and no civic responsibility in it). A few more cycles of the ebb and flow of liberalism in the US and we’ll be in the same situation. Many Americans are already there, unfortunately.
In my humble opinion, obummer is a necessary evil and going down the tube is also required, all in hopes of waking up pie in the sky libs. Free ride is over and if we don’t get a clue then the whole mess is coming down on us.
People seem to think they have a choice, well not really, but it may look that way to them. There is the Tea Party path and the lib path, take the lib path and we will slide further into the abyss.
Thanks VDH, as always.
As a California registered architect, I came over from Reno to Sacramento recently to attend a seminar on CALGREEN, the new building code chapter that took effect yesterday requiring all new and altered buildings in California to adhere to green concepts and practices. It lays the groundwork for an ever widening scope of regulation.
I asked the panelists there, some of whom wrote the code, what economic effect this new regulation will have on an already moribund industry where most contractors, trades and craftsmen are out of work and losing their homes and businesses. (Like me.)
The response was a deadpan. They were speechless. All we got was a mealymouthed remark that the code was a good idea and wouldn’t really have any impact on jobs.
This from the state employees hired to guard our welfare.
I believe that California needs to ht the Greek wall. Hard. That is our only hope for this once great state.
That is my sentiment. Let California crash and burn. We have a practice that is time honored in Maine. The blueberry fields are periodically burned over to allow a lush crop later. There is nothing to be harvested the year of the burn but the blues turn blue with berries later.
Maine may cull it’s blueberry barrens in order to ensure a healthy productive crop but like California and so many other leftist run states we also cultivate dependency, greed and ignorance with breathtakingly generous welfare programs and a repressive business climate. With the recent election of a republican governor and republican controlled legislature we may yet have a chance to turn this great state around.
The Soviets got a bit past this point. Ran out of capitalists and churches to loot, but still the universal brotherhood of caring and sharing couldn’t provide groceries and cooking fuel for everyone.
So the brave commissars and cadres armed themselves, went out to the farms and just seized the grain and surviving livestock that their urban proletarian colleagues ‘needed’ but wouldn’t pay more than State-mandated pittances to get.
Those objecting to this governance from any quarter were first deemed ‘saboteurs’, then shot, trials optional.
AND unless we get some governance right smartly that can recognize, address and democratically correct the borrow-more-forever course now pursued by California, Greece and Obama’s U.S.A itself, there may lie ahead of us first ‘social turmoil’, then some form of authoritarian movements who will also declare their opponents ‘saboteurs’ and act accordingly. The Bolsheviks were human beings just like ourselves, just in different circumstances.
Trouble with that theory is, in this country, the peasants are well armed. Better than the bureaucrats, anyway.
While it is certainly true that the ‘peasants’ are well-armed in America, it doesn’t mean that the movement described above wouldn’t cause terrible suffering. While I have a military-grade rifle I shudder at the thought of ever needing to use it. I believe every able-bodied citizen should have a rifle of at least WWII military capability. Still and all I hope they’re never necessary. If it ever comes time to bring back the militia then the only other alternative will be far worse, and thankfully we’re not there yet. I think it’s a very good idea to try REALLY hard to avoid getting to that point.
Good points all, but one comment: The grain was seized for a specific purpose, to spur industrial growth (primarily to make friggin tractors).
When they went to the villages, the kulaks’ property was seized for the reasons you cited, but the grain was seized from everyone, not just the kulaks.
Not really. The bureaucrats have the Army, Air Force, and Marines at their disposal, and they WILL use them.
The only question is, are they willing to be used?
The conditioning needed to ensure that they WILL was begun a long time ago.
But to be fair, there is a difference. The Russian Peasants had been inured by hundreds of years of brutal serfdom and abuse; the Ukranians not so much, but still they were familiar with the drill.
Americans, even Californians, will not be quite so sanguine.
Excellent writing VDH – I love the correlation you draw between the nuts in Greece and those in California. Just proves that leftists are leftist no matter the language or cultural background.
Expectation is nothing more that a (future) form of resentment – and the evaporation of an expectation of monetary gains may be the most frustrating for the statist.
I fervently hope the new Congress does not bend to the crying and gnashing of teeth in California and bail them out. It isn’t like I want to see the chaos that will come of it but these idiots need to see – finally – that the Golden Goose (liberalism/statism) is dead and that only responsible government will be tolerated. If there is any bailout it should have very strict conditions for budget constraints – and immediate reforms – violate them and the deal is off.
My home state – Washington – is headed down this same road as California – not as fast but they are trying mightily to catch up. I was delighted to see my fellow voters did not saddle the high income earners with an income tax last November. We have stubbornly refused to implement any form of state income tax – so far. Our leaders must have gotten rather jelous of Oregon and their new income generator that skims the cream from high wage earners – but Oregon has had a state income tax for a very long time. But if our “Governess” Queen Chrissy has her way we may well have that – and sooner than later unless the economy picks up around here.
My God – cut the budget? Blasphemy!
I remember my father calling our state Democrats ‘Taxocrats’ way back when I was 7-8 years old (1950′s). He was right then – and things haven’t changed one bit since.
If states such as CA are not allowed to fail then nothing will be corrected or fixed. We have a long history of fixin things with free money, you might put strings on it, but if they can’t pay their bills now, they won’t be able to after we give them all this free money, check out the housing loans, free money, how do you think we got to this stage.
We are going to get a 15% state income tax here in California.
And that will lead to those who can afford it kissing the state goodbye.
This is called “Running out of other people’s money.” Or maybe, “Running off the money.”
Ruebacca:
Look at it this way: Increase in the tax rate will actually bring in fewer dollars, which might quicken the pace of the hoped-for “California awakening”
What is the single source of money? Well, it is profit. Increase your national or state wide profit production, i.e., put more production into the market based on sales price tag, than it cost to produce it, and you create, guess what else? More money. Want more money? Start making a profit. This single truth is why capitalist systems, intent on making a profit, always get richer while socialist systems, intent on taxing, punishing, confiscating or regulating profit out of existence, always get poorer. No modern economy can run without money, and old money flees to profit centers, i.e., the places where new money gets created. If you have to learn one economic fact, that is the economic fact to learn. The rest is just window dressing.
Those who can afford to pay it will leave. But the illegals will stay because no matter how bad it is in California, it is better than Mexico- the place they for some reason idolize even though it’s a horrid mess. The thing about California is that ALL of its problems are caused by gov’t. But that’s perhaps not quite true – the gov’t is elected by the voters, and the voters get what they deserve. I plan on having lots of fun reading articles on California’s problems.
I’d like to see the federal tax code amended to limit deductions for state income tax to a 5% state tax rate. Remember, as the State raises its income tax, that’s money taken from the federal government because of the state income tax deduction. Are the high income tax states not paying their “fair share” because some percentage of potential federal revenues is siphoned off through the stae income tax deduction? (At least that’s how a liberal should analyze it.)
Very well said, Dr. Hanson!
It is a good thing for California that you are willing to point out what the problem really is. Every time I drive I-5, I see the signs, “Congress Created Dustbowl”, and I nod. The refusal of the left to recognize that they are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs would be funny, if it were not such a disaster.
It’s worth pointing out that those of us who were born in California were not, generally, the ones who voted for this nightmare. As one of those who was born here, I do not want the state bailed out.
California has run out of other peoples’ money. Time to face the music. Your essays help in making the case for this.
VDH, as always your writings express the quality of being actual. GREAT article.
Dianna, so on target. “He who builds his house with another’s money, is collecting stones for his funeral mound”
Dianna, kudos to you!
I do not live in California – worse, Toronto (the place where, I’m ashamed to say, the film festival’ers chose to include a movie depicting an assassination of former President G.W. Bush).
Here’s some good news from this hopefully reforming banana republic city of ours. The new mayor’s campaign slogan was “I’m going to stop the gravy train”. He won by a 13% margin!
The week prior to the election the socialist newspapers reported that the race was too close to call within 2-4% (a statistics crime in any other industry).
Let’s hope Californians are “emboldened” (to use the lefts favourite word to describe what terrorists do when they’re stood up to and why they should be left alone), that economic and financial nature is allowed to take its course of corrective action, and that aliens arrive and remove moronic hollywood lefties for experimentation and how not to recreate human cells ;-)
That’s just kind of how I feel, but I’m trying to be polite – after all, it’s part of my culture being Canadian, eh.
The fearful thing is that when the Leftist collapse the system and then look for scapegoats we have mass murder. videlicet, the national socialists murdered millions of Jews and others; the Marxist Leninists murdered millions of Russians and Eastern Europeans and the granddaddy of them all Mao murdered hundreds of millions of Chinese. So the dire future in America is to determine who the Americanized Leftists will go after. When you hear the Leftist ranting and screaming you cannot miss the blood lust in their demeanor; these are the evil doers who have plagues human society for too long.
John, agree with your thesis except if Obama were to organize his version of the Red Guards, those misguided souls would find themselves outgunned in so many ways. also, I doubt that our military would either support such an effort by Obama not would they support, for now, a Coup against the government. we’re probably many years of trouble before the conditions arise that would support a coup. Still, Obama’s efforts, if he does it, to organize a group like Mao’s Red Guards could draw on his ACORN and SEIU cohorts. So, if it were to come to pass, it would be very bloody but they will would fail and we’d have to reconcile how we’ll live with that blood on our hands; probably reasonably well for that.
Cheers and keep your tools well oiled and clean.
You are forgetting one of Obama’s transformative policies.
Right now our military is composed primarily of people from small towns in red states. Thanks to decades of Ivy League banning ROTC, Ivy Leaguers have almost no representation in the officer corps which leans to the right.
Several years from now is that still likely to be the case? What effect will the end of DADT have on the make up of the military?
When the Chinese leadership decided to deal with the people in Tienamen Square, they merely had to bring in military units that were socially and culturally different than the protesters.
I’m sure the ivy league elite will lining up to serve their country….as if your typical northeastern elitist liberal rich kid just can’t wait. Please.
I went to Columbia, so probably fit in with your image of “your typical northeastern elitist liberal rich kid” Currently an officer in the Army after serving as enlisted for 5 years with 2 depolyments to Iraq, and 1 to the DMZ in Korea.
Thanks for the stereotype though, they really dont help our cause either. I think the leftists can be put into their place nicely enough with facts alone.
It all boils down to adolescent thinking, doesn’t it?
Well, except that the adolescents giddily doing the exploiting are themselves being exploited by the professional leftists / ruling class elites, who expect to emerge with the entire pie in a few years. And they couldn’t care less that the pie will be much smaller; it will be plenty big enough for a tiny percentage to enjoy spendors that won’t be challengable for centuries.
After that, rest assured, the only exploitation that will be going on will be by the commissars. The millions and millions of giddy, now becoming angry, teenagers will find themselves in a rude and shocking new world.
A brilliant yet so simple analysis, Dr. Hanson, of what got us to where we are. We are victims of our own human nature of wanting what others have, even if they have worked hard, sacrificed and made good decisions and we have not. Socialism has never succeeded wherever it has been tried, as eventually the producers grow weary of subsidizing the no-loads. The only way the citizens of Greece, California and the U.S. of A will rescue themselves from pending economic collapse will be to face the fact our decades-long, deficit-funded fiesta is not sustainable. In America, it is time to throw the big government socialists, environazis and illegals out the door and get back to work….that is, if anyone remembers how.
California scares the living crap out of me. Voting as a bloc, California Representatives would have enough influence in the House to join forces with the Democrats and bully through a bailout of their state. They continue their profligate ways at the expense of every other state. If push came to shove I bet even Darrell Issa would vote for a federal bailout of California.
Congressional Democrats (and Republicans) nationwide vote for a California bailout at their peril. The number of pink slips distributed on 11-2-2010 will seem slight if this happens.
The Democrats plus the CA republicans make 211 out of 435. Capture 7 more R’s (Illinois) and we’re all screwed.
That is why I have reached the conclusion that secession may be the only way of breaking federal government tyranny. See:
The cold December, the climate change hoax…and secession?
Thank God for the Senate
Truth beautifully written, Dr. Hanson. #1 Anonymous, you are spot on. Thanks for putting it out there.
Even being 64 y.o., I would give up my SS check to see welfare ended and The People put back on family, neighbor, and church for sustenance. I would be fine. The cannots, willnots, and donots might have it a little harder, until they rediscovered their souls, which they have bartered to an evil government for a few pieces of copper. Freedom from this bothersome gang of bureaucrats, regulators, tax collectors, Marxists, and other assorted criminals will be worth the pain felt by the children of the government. Schadenfreude comes to mind.
I agree here. I would gladly give up my SSI “entitlement” to see the whole unconstitutional program abolished along with welfare, department of education, HUD, etc.
Count me too. I believe I have enough knowledge and ability to survive on my own if need be. I refuse to support the leaches of society any longer.
Everything you say… is true.
Well said.
I agree.
I’ve spent my entire fifty seven years here in California and it pains me to be witnessing the decline of this once great state. Our perfect storm of social and economic problems is one of our own making and will be escruciatinly difficult to correct.
For the first time in my life I am contemplating leaving the state that I love to the tapeworm that now inhabits it.
Would someone please resolve a paradox for me? California is fourth among American states in oil production even though it is the only one of the four largest which has no oil severance tax. Since the petroleum market is highly price-competitive, why isn’t California first in oil production ahead of states with severance taxes such as Texas, Louisiana and Alaska? Is it really that much cheaper to produce oil in other states? Does California levy some other tax which deters oil production?
Not so much additional “taxes”–at least not as we define them–but in so-called “green” regulatory burdens on oil explorers and producers. Plus, California’s oil is thick and tar-ry and difficult to pump to the surface–at least in the southern parts of the State. It has to be “melted”–usually by injecting steam into the oil-bearing sands–in order to flow properly. Mobil Oil, before merging with Exxon, built a 100-mile-long pipeline from Bakersfield to Torrance in the 80′s and early 90′s that had to be HEATED so the oil would actually flow. Extraordinarily expensive, that. Plus, they had to have “environmentalists” (usually from some State-approved, NGO like the Sierra Club) on-hand at all times to insure no protected animals were harmed during construction–their lowest-paid people demanding upwards of $600/day just to stand around and watch the actual work being done.
You simply and eloquently define immaturity as it manifests during one’s early teen years. At that point the teenager begins to see the light of his/her own autonomy at the end of the growing-up tunnel and, striving to get there faster than Nature intends, they forget they are still dependent upon their parents for those inconvenient little things like food, clothing and shelter and so rail against the necessary curbs that should, in an ideal world, be the final honing of what will be their adult behaviors. Meaning, an understanding that for each and every action there is a consequence.
Unfortunately, due to the long-standing progressive ideology that pervades our one-size-fits-all schooling, parents coddle instead of curb (or are shamed or even legislated into not curbing) and the end result is a society populated by far too many who are old enough to know better but really and truly just don’t.
Speaking with a friend just this morning I put forth the question of exactly what would happen in places like Detroit if mature adults really did their job in Washington and, say, welfare and unemployment were eliminated. No sane company is waiting in the wings to swoop in and employ tens of thousands of barely literate and barely understandable entitlement types so just what would as many as 40% of Detroit’s population do if suddenly there was no government check in their mailbox? I would not want to be one of their barely-making-it working (productive) neighbors, that’s for sure. The riots in Greece and in the UK would be nothing compared to the wholesale destruction that would again put Detroit back on the map as it did in 1967.
Repeat the above scenario ad nauseum across the country and ’tis surely the stuff of which nightmares are made. It could well be the Civil War all over again but this time based on genetics that determine a mindset, not just the color of one’s skin.
Where are the brilliant minds who can look at this with clear eyes and brave heart and put together a realistic plan to fix it?
You have made the same mistake the Leftists make. You assume that when the entitlements end, nothing else changes. You think the pie is static, not dynamic.
This was the very argument used by Democrats in opposing welfare reform. It was ended anyway, and things got better, not worse. Even Democrats had to admit that it worked. Even Obama said so in the Saddleback Forum, question 5 (change of position)
http://www.thirty-thousand.org/pages/Saddleback_16AUG2008.htm
Of course, he put in back in by executive order… unconstitutionally. So, he was lying, of course.
You roll back taxes and regulations and the economy gets better. Wipe out the unconstitutional Minimum Wage Laws, and there will be gainful employment, even for those of very low skill, and they will gain skill. Hunger is a wonderful incentive.
Mostly, you cannot imagine how it would be, because we have had this overbearing government all your life. Insurance did not used to be through your employer. There did not used to be FICA taxes. There did not used to be Income taxes, or overwhelming business regulations, or even corporations. There did not even used to be public education. There were no public sector unions. There did not used to be fiat money. No IMF. No multi-national trade agreements or defense agreements. No NATO, no NAFTA, no WTO. There was no Federal Reserve. You were allowed to actually own that gold you bought in the commodities market, not some document, but the actual gold. There was no SS or Medicare. There were few Federal agencies, few Cabinet positions. Congress did not meet year-round. Senators were appointed, not elected.
I could go on and on about what did not used to be, but the point is, all these problems have arisen as a result of our burgeoning government. They are big, because the government is big, so people think it requires something as big as the government to fix them. No, it doesn’t. Just shrink the government, and you will fix the problem. I guarantee it.
Liberals/lefties are like little spoiled children, who get temper tantrums, when they do not get their way. Now it is the time to tech them a life lesson. We are not afraid of your temper tantrums.
From now on You are on your own CA. deal with it.
Happy 2011
VDH:
We closed on the sale of our house in Los Angeles two months before the jumbo mortgage market exploded. We took our cash and moved to Louisiana, of all places. Every time I read one of your articles I realize yet again that it was the best decision we ever made.
I still miss California. Maybe I’ll visit one day. Then again, maybe not.
1. Would Californians be happier if we let in, say, 10 million more illegal aliens, and shut down east-side San Joaquin Valley water deliveries as well to save far more fishlets than just the smelt? Are not we still discriminating against transsexual and transgendered in the military? Why is there not diversity/affirmative action redress for underrepresented gay officers? Why are not these legitimate questions? (p)Cannot liberals press on with their dream and insist on amnesty, go for single-payer health care, lobby for a 50% income tax rate on higher incomes?
IMO you’re describing the kinds of things the Left would be discussing today had November been an endorsement of Obama/Pelosi/Reid. The Left may be surreptitiously discussing them anyway, in the teeth of the election results.
2. Digression/caveat about the climate: arguing that our predictive capability is not yet reliable (I agree) is crucially different from claiming that there is no basis for concern (I disagree). For example, Britain is having a frigid winter–but Russia just had a historic heat wave.
What is the “basis of concern” touted by the Gorists –
Previously: A litany of local/regional hot weather events that “proves” global warming exists.
Now: A litany of local/regional frigid cold weather events that “proves” the same thing.
Previously: Theories from prominent climate “scientists” proving that GW is beyond dispute.
Now: Evidence from the same scientists that they altered data, destroyed data, and sought to “hide the decline” in global temperatures.
Like you, I remain concerned about global climate change –
Previously (April 1977): TIME magazine assured me we were in for another Ice Age.
Now: After roughly 30 years of warming, they may be right.
That was the same “weather” pattern — the negative Arctic Oscillation, a blocking high over Greenland which swings cold air over part of Europe, warm air over eastern Russia, and so on. Read up on it. It’s much less pleasant than the positive AO which we’ve been used to for the past 30 years.
I’m sorry, the “improved” data sets from the East Angligca CRU are hopelessly corrupt. It is simply impossible for the models to accurately predict anyting if the input data sets themselves are not correct. And that seems to be the baseline data set to use, if you’re in the climate business. Well, if you want to continue to get funding for your projects, that is…
I wouldn’t trust Gorists to order a freakin’ pizza, let alone make any sort of climate predictions.
Several points to add to your excellent writing.
1. If California/ New York/ Illinois get bailed out by the honest and hard working States there will be backlash against them and the Federal Government. California was a Republic once, why not again? We could throw in most of coastal Oregon and Washington. You can leave the peasants from the Central Valley and the farming areas of the Northwest with us.
2. The ” Environmentalist” movement put a real moron in the front row, Al Gore. If the United States produces zero CO2 it will not reduce CO2 in the atmosphere to any measurable amount in the next century.
3. Please explain to your coastal neighbors that have perhaps inhaled too much Cannabis that what people earn is supposed to be their money not Government’s piggy bank. If every adult in the country PAID at least $10 a week for the privilege of living here the government would work much better. Skin in the game does make a difference.
…the honest and hard working States…
And those states are… hmmm?
Be honest, there aren’t any. Just look around you, federal goodies are going to all 50 of ‘em.
Too bad folks like you didn’t wake up to the illegal immigrant problem before it sank California. Think about it, senators you yourself probably voted for had a hand in shaping the federal appeals courts that blocked the welfare restraining and illegal alien restricting Prop. 187 that a majority of those Californians for whom you’ve got your hate on voted for. And now your crew of politicians is hamstringing Arizona’s attempt to defend itself against an ‘undocumented invasion.’
Perhaps we should call Dr Hanson the “hammer”, because he has an amazing ability to hit nails on the head.
Please explain to your coastal neighbors that have perhaps inhaled too much Cannabis
Alcohol has the exact same effect, as one can observe quite readily with a trip through any trailer park in the US.
Come to think of it, in addition to its drunken-sailor spending sprees, California also has a large wine industry. Coincidence?
(Yes, I’m a teetotaler.)
Good article. I would like to believe that the setbacks the Left has suffered this past year will help to make them irrelevant at some point. But, even after repeated failures, these people have a way of saying never mind and getting away with it. They will always come back with another cure-all theory even more crack-headed than the last. This MO has turned the Left into a kind of cliché and the funny thing is these people aren’t even aware of it.
Agreed – and the left never takes responsibility for the destructive consequences of their policies. Point out how many people are hurting because of this president and dem congress and they get pissed – baffled when confronted with reality.
If you read Ron Radosh’s latest Piven article, maybe this wasn’t as accidental as it appears.
Cloward-Piven is a plausible explanation for most of what is going on now, including the legislatively-induced implosion of the financial industry. California isn’t the only state that has had its agriculture shut down. High unemployment, $5 gasoline and expensive and/or unobtainable food sounds just like the formula for producing the revolution Piven is currently recommending in The Nation.
KRC:
I will disagree slightly with one comment of yours.
Your statement-” Will “tough love” be applied or will we/government cater to the demands and therefore foster more of the same ?” isn’t quite correct.
The people of California are not being shafted by government. They are getting exactly the type of government they voted for. The only politicians that get elected in California these days are the type that do “…cater to the demands…” They are also getting the type of government they deserve.
Take Jerry Brown. No responsible voter would have even considered him or Feinstein or Boxer-yet there they are. Until the voter attitude changes-neither will the government.
Point taken. Enjoyed your views. Thanks
“Until the voter attitude changes-neither will the government.”
Exactly! We in this nation have the possibility of having a real revolution every 2 years and we had one this year. We don’t need blood in the streets like other societies. Our ability to change the system is built into the system. We just had a revolution of sorts here in New Mexico after 8 years of corruption under Bill Richardson. All it took was the public having an attitude change and a candidate that was able to carry through to the finish line.
It wasn’t the left that destroyed what Edmund G Brown did for California. Start with Jarvis/Gann & Prop 13. Certainly not Lefties.
We all want our proverbial Cake and we want to eat it too. The longer the inequities remain unaddressed, the worse the whole mess gets. Those 800k foreclosed homes aren’t much of a tax base anymore.
The irony is that it is lefty Jerry Brown charged with fixing it. If there is one thing I remember about the first Jerry Brown administration it is San Jose’s “Monument To Nowhere”. The multitiered US 101/I-680/I-280 interchange that stood unfinished for nearly a decade after he pulled highway funding. So chain up people. Those greedy UC clowns aren’t the only ones who will be whining.
Yes indeed, we are all Greeks now. Better get used to the ascetic Jerry Brown lifestyle. He will be the favorite whipping boy of the right when the cuts come. And like Boehner and McConnell, it will be the right wingers who scream the loudest when asked to shoulder their fair share. The good thing about Brown is that his political career is over. He’s really beholden to no one. He was born and reared on California politics, this is his last chance to do good. Arnold was a dismal failure. Move over Al Gore, here comes the Green Terminator.
It wasn’t the left that destroyed what Edmund G Brown did for California. Start with Jarvis/Gann & Prop 13. Certainly not Lefties.
Prop 13 just put California on a rationally limited income. Lefties like Jerry Brown & co. insisted on continuing E.G. Brown’s irrationally lavish spending, despite the limited income – and unleashed public employee unions into a vicious circle of vote-buying candidates.
We all want our proverbial Cake and we want to eat it too.
Speak for yourself and include the public service unions too. The bill’s come due.
Good points, I.S. The San José Stonehenge was created by Jerry Brown and his flunky Adrianne Gianturco who strangled freeway construction, including in-progress projects before Prop 13 came before the voters.
Perhaps Bill forgets the “Era of Limits” anti-growth slogan Jerry Brown campaigned for governor on. Gov. Jerry Brown and Assembly Speaker Willy Brown (no relation) kept up the spending, it was diverted away from infrastructure and into the Democrat wet dreams of business-strangling regulatory agencies and social service goodies.
P.S. Just because everybody I’ve ever met who howls against Prop. 13 doesn’t know what they’re talking about doesn’t mean they all don’t. (But that’s the way to bet.)
Lefty bill doen’t have to forget anything when he can just make stuff up. As do most of them. But there are always consequences for that kind of intellectual dishonesty and moral bankruptcy. Always.
You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.
–Ayn Rand
Now – let the howls and the ad-hominems begin!
How dare those peons tell us, the Enlightened Elite in Government, how much of their hard-earned dollars we can extort from them in taxes!
/sarc off
Bill (who is probably a teacher, and is certainly a leftist) wrote, “It wasn’t the left that destroyed what Edmund G Brown did for California. Start with Jarvis/Gann & Prop 13. Certainly not Lefties.”
Was it Stalin or Goebbels who said, “To have a lie believed, make it big, tell it often.”?
This particular canard is certainly being repeated more and more often. California’s problems are not due to a lack of funding, but to an excess of spending. Prop 13 was one of the best things that ever happened to California, and if the spirit of it had lived long, California would still be golden state.
Excellent article as usual.
Here is another nugget for thought: I was reading another website that I don’t usually go to and I came across the following exchange between commenters (which has since been taken down). The article was about the crashing entitlement burden.
Commenter 1 sez: “The American sheeple will just go to the slaughter…” etc blah blah
Commenter 2 sez: “I know, heck even the dumbest Greek fisherman knows that he got screwed by the worldwide big bankers, the Americans aren’t even rioting yet. The French figured it out…” etc blah blah.
I was like, huh??? In a perverse way, I guess it is somewhat close to being logical, but it was a weird view into what some people think. Do the Greeks really think they got screwed by Goldman Sachs, and that their problem is not their fault at all? Somehow I think the answer is yes.
The ironic thing is that the second commentator is wrong. The recent banking and mortgage issues were only the final event that pushed us over a economic cliff. The real proximate cause of our economic problems is the hemmoraging of our wealth on an endless and never-ceasing series of witless social engineering projects and entitlements.
I can not see how there could be any comeback for the looney left. Their absurb policies have led the nations to the brink of ruin. They are at present deeply entrenched in the pit that they have dug against all reason and advice.
The people who view the world upside down have nothing, but nothing with which to make a comeback. As they really do not know just what to do, they will continue to dig the pit even deeper.
Sanity says they must be tossed out of any and all leadership positions, having demostrated beyond doubt the foolishness of their mindset. Are the people yet ready to do the required?
Nice thought, but the whole notion of the Left is resentment of some class of people, usually economic, sometimes race described in economic terms. They have, and are, completely capable of pulling down everything around their ears, and no will exercise no limits or scupples to that end.
Btw, pickup Hansen’s book on the Peloponesian War. I thought it was too light at first, but grew to love it, very good stuff.
From Rage Against the Machine, we now have Rage against Reality.
BILL:Nice try at lying.Pray tell: did Greece also have a proposition 13 ? Does NY, Another once prosperous state done to death by libtard induced debt? Please return to the bridge under which you live (with the other welfare-dependent libtard trolls),and take your meds.
You might want to do a little fact checking. Us paeans & libtards are the ones carrying water for the various elite Corporate interests dodging taxes in California among others. Read about E&J Gallo’s purchase of the Louis M. Martini Winery in 2002. There are other examples of these types of abuses. Since 1978 the state property tax burden has shifted dramatically in favor of the wealthy and corporate interests over residential property owners. Nobody is suggesting mom and pop get booted out of the old homestead to pay the Medicare/Medicaid/medical bills while their lawyer shelters their children’s inheritance.
Don’t forget the back door assessments. The Mello Roos suckers get to pay for the new projects everyone else enjoy using. Its terribly unfair. Yes you want the good schools, teachers, firefighters, police, sidewalks, etc etc etc and you want someone else to pay for it.
A little harsh maybe? Liberal, conservative, democrat. republican, we can’t ALL sit at the cafe’ sipping our latte’s.
Bill, it was Jerry Moonbeam Brown who allowed public employees (firemen, police, teachers, prison guards and state government employees) to unionize. We now “owe” those unions one half TRILLION dollars in retirement and benefits. My boss’s father, a retired teacher, makes more now than when be was working. This is not speculation. Police can retire after twenty years.
Recently Jerry Moonbeam exclaimed he had no idea how bad California’s budget woes are…as if he hasn’t been in California government his whole life. He was Attorney General, for goodness sake! And a Democrat Bigwig swimming amongst a sea of Democrats who have controlled this state for decades to boot.
To claim budgetary ignorance after being the very author of the disaster that is California is breathtaking.
I have heard the claim that Prop 13 shifted taxes from corporations to the middle class. I have also heard that California’s business taxes are about the highest in the U.S. And are causing businesses to relocate outside the state, exacerbating the unemployment rate. So which statement is true? Why wouldn’t the savings from Prop 13 offset the higher business tax rate?
California also used to have a “floor tax”: companies were exes on inventory in the warehouse on March 1. (This led to some terrific sales in February, especially of durable goods.). That tax was also repealed in the 1970′s, I believe. Yet no one discusses this–just Prop 13.
People who rail against Prop 13 seem to have forgotten that when we passed it, the reason was that people were being taxed out of their homes. Folks who bought a house for 30K or 40k were being taxed as though it cost them 300K or 400K. Fixed income retirees were losing their homes along with a lot of working stiffs. I’ve been advocating abolishing business taxes in California and the U.S. for that matter. It would bring so much business back that the economy would boom and the tax revenue (not rates) would go way up. That is assuming of course that the businesses could find people willing to actually work for their money.
Hi Bill you bloody socialist IDIOT! You are raging about the CORPORATES paying too little taxes? What about the idea of everybody paying exactly the same taxes?
After all we enjoy equal rights so we should also have equal obligations, icluding equal taxes.
Even with flat taxes of, let say 15% for everyone, the filthy rich will still be contributing to the budget uncomparably more than your beloved, “exploited” poor.
I doubt that you will grasp that simple truth with you petty, imploded intellect.
As the KGB defector Yurij Bezmenow, horrified by the mental degradation of America, said: “The American Leftists are brainwashed by the KGB financed anti-American propaganda to such a degree that they will awake from their stupor only when facing the barrels of Soviet KGB special commandos about to execute them after the Soviet Union will have taken over the morally, economically and militarily degraded America.
I am always amazed at how many clueless people think corporations pay taxes – and don’t just pass them on as higher prices to consumers. Why are advocates of “progressive” (tax the rich) taxation so eager to increase the most regressive taxes of all – corporate taxes that burden the poor disproportionately? You would think they would at least target makers of goods that only the rich buy – like say Priuses.
Now imagine this world . I was reminded of VDH’s recent article about two California’s upon reading this gem from Quadrant Magazine in Australia. It outlines the Green Parties platform.
VDH has fast forwarded what Hell the Green party would create upon implementation of these insane commies utopia. Much like the Greece and California he speaks of in this great article.
http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2011/1/the-greens-agenda-in-their-own-words
This is one of the best and most stimulating articles I’ve seen. Would Dr. Hanson consider running for POTUS?
Would Dr. Hanson consider running for POTUS?
This has been suggested and/or requested by numerous others. I believe Dr. Hanson is far too logical and intelligent to ever consider such a move.
He’d be much better as a trusted advisor to a good conservative President.
this trend will continue until they feel some pain.
unfortunately everyone will feel the pain. this is what happens when criminals run governments and conservatives compromise.
HAPPY NEW YEAR VDH
As a New Yorker, I can sympathize. But 40+ states aren’t going to bail out the half-dozen profligates (CA, NY, IL, MA, RI, CT). Notice that the most profligate are some of the bluest. CA will have to cut back on welfare, as Meg Whitman said; NY will have to cut medicare, and MA will have to cut Romneycare. This will be the rehearsal for repealing Obamacare. The sweetheart contracts for the public employee unions will go bye-bye. And we will have to grow up.
Don’t hold your breath, Laurent. With OPM (other people’s money), all things seem not only possible but desirable. Those of us who haven’t benefitted from the weather and public largesse of California (et al) will nenetheless be expected to rescue them.
I think it’s time to let them sink or swim on their own dime and their own time. Of course, I’m not a DC insider who thinks a little pork on every plate makes sense …
Live in Illinois, another broke State like california and New York,
Last November election, the voters return a Tax and Spend Governor and retain the Democrat State House and Senate.
And, every Voter knows the state is broke and in debt to the Government Employees Pensions and high wages.
we can only assume, this is what the Voter wants, so, in the near future, Illinois will see a 30-40% increase in Income tax and Property Owners will see a 20-30% increas in their Tax bill.
Increases in Taxes with little to no reduction in the State and local Government labor or pension cost. Plus, increased Social Programs for the “Poor”, what ever that is.
No one should be surprised, they told us what they were going to do.
Even by VDH standards, this is a superb article.
Given the last paragraph of the article, I note the lesson of Hayek’s book “The Fatal Conceit”: that the fundamental error of socialism is the delusion that Government action can rearrange society at will.
Your average California/New York progressive believes that things wouldn’t be so bad in their states if only those evil businessmen and rich people had nowhere to run. That ability to move somewhere else frustrates them enormously and drives much of their desire to federalize so many expenditures and regulations. They figure that when they can make it just as difficult to operate in Texas, or any other state for that matter, as it is in California or New York then people and capital will stay in their state and they’ll be able to resume building their social utopias. After Washington bails them out, of course. I know, that sounds crazy, but…
Actually, this is exactly the basis for International Socialism (Communism). It must be spread throughout the world, so there is no escape, then it will work. It is a stated, fundamental premise.
My niece lives in California. Our list of taboo subjects includes, but is not limited to: religion, politics, light bulbs, government workers, lead paint, state, federal & local roads, schools & school teachers, Europe, Christmas, California or any specific states for that matter, pensions of any kind, the delta smelt, salmon spawning, school lunches, oil or gas, weather, business & industry, taxes, and the list just goes on & on.
I guess one day we will no longer speak at all which is heartbreaking. It is much the same with all my relatives as they are mostly leftists and leftists do NOT like to be reminded of reality. Therefore one must either constantly censor one’s speech or expect fireworks. Or not get together which is where it seems my family is heading. Too sad.
We’ve almost gotten to the point to where we can’t even send or bare to read each other’s ‘Christmas’ cards/letters…guess who focuses on politics and who on the reason for the season;)
I have a sister like that. It’s really sad. I’m still here only because I can’t afford to move. I would love to take what little retirement I have and move to Texas. I do everything I can here to convince and educate the folks around me to understand what the libs are doing to the state but most just don’t get it. I posted the videos of Jerry Brown admitting that he lied to everyone I could but he got elected anyway. I spent time and money but Boxer and Pelosi got re-elected anyway. Don’t know what else I can do here.
Even Freud came to learn that the “classical hysteric” could not be cured. Perhaps this patient might–just might admit to having a problem, but beyond this…not curable.
The solution was not to accept as patients such people; let them roam about in society where others might deal with them in their ways.
After the game “musical chairs” ends, we will next take up that other great game “hot potato” where fights, even wars can result!
Mommy will come, Mommy will come…
THEM: The Hegemony of Eco-enviro- Maniacs;
or, in its nominative form,
THEY: The Hegemony of Eco-enviro- Yahoos.
“but do not wish to cut ties either with their EU beneficiaries and go it alone” — I think you mean “EU benefactors”
Them is a bunch of Kantians. God damn reality! It is like this!
Meanwhile, the leaders among them (within government) command the power to change units of measure; if reality won’t conform – god damn it again – we’ll alter it.
Unfortunately a lot of those people leaving California carry their pathologies with them and end up infecting new places with the same brain dead liberal disease that supposedly caused them to flee the Golden State in the first place. It’s too bad, really, that we can’t make a law: all Californians have to remain in that state until they figure out a way to fix what they’ve done to it. It’s probably too late for Washington and Oregon and southern Nevada and parts of Idaho. But maybe we can find a way to save the rest of us.
Yes, looking for new hosts to parasitize. As long as there’s a wealth-generator SOMEWHERE, they will be drawn to it with IV-taps extended.
Sally, California was a fine Republican-governed state until people from elsewhere – including your state – moved in and began warping the Golden State into a Welfare State. Now that your tax-eating kin are ready to flee the devastation your kind caused and descend like locusts upon the states from which they came – including your state – you want to blame all Californians.
And what state is Sally from? It’s unclear to me by reading her post.
Appears you’re simply trying to illogically blame others…
Expect nothing less from a lib though…good luck; blaming everybody else…
Dr. Hanson,
Could you or have you started to video or publish photos of your self destruction in California?
I too would like to see some before and after pictures of California areas that long time residents are referring to. Is it really “Leave It To Beaver” to shanty town? PJM writers and commentators should pool their photos together and let’s have a look. Might be shocking enough to present to some clueless gov’t officials and certainly would be welcome here. Let’s spread ‘em around the net.
I first went to Greece in the late 1970s and went many times after that. I found that the Greeks in Greece are the nicest people you’ll ever find but they are also among the laziest people in the world. Sorry to be so blunt, but that’s the way it was and perhaps still is. By contrast, in Chicago, where I live, the Greeks are almost demonically hardworking and industrious; yet they also tend to be surly, irritable, and clannish. Go figure.
It’s easy, I’m Greek. My mother said and I did it. Money and hard work were our gods. You make the money, you have the lifestyle. Escaping Greece was the best thing my mother and father ever did. The whole USA is turning into Greece. What can you give me?
Look at Turkey, the same resources as Greece but more motivation and less state, most productive in the area. ???? Got to work and use your brain.
When plastic grocery bags are outlawed, will only outlaws have plastic grocery bags?
California, land where cannibis is legal and grocery bags are not.
And handicapped parking permits for the car dashboard will be given to the ‘some more equal than others’.
Yes, and I want health care free!
As has been foreseen, the CA welfare gravy train is about to come to a grinding halt, it’s time to get off the train. I sincerely hope, (actually,,, I insist), that other states will resist picking up the tab. Bad fiscal management, either by private co’s or government minions, does not deserve to be rewarded. If a company making the best widgets in the world made bad fiscal decisions and went bankrupt, they would/should be put out of business and let the second best widget maker take over. That’s the capitalist way, i.e., survival of the fittest, leanest, best, smartest.
My next letter to my NEW (R) congressman,,, will be to suggest he resist any temptation to send any of my money to CA.
I’ve been trying to figure out recently exactly how we got back to a welfare-supported society. I’m positively certain that I remember Clinton repealing welfare with the announcement that everyone would henceforth have to either go to school or have a job after such-&-such months of welfare.
Yet we have whole cities like Detroit and Dr. Hanson’s agriculatural neighbors who *must* be living on something other than unemployment checks, since most of them have never been employed in the first place.
What is the scam and what is it being called? I have a feeling it has something to do with Social Security, and that ObamaCare would have been the polish to the whole neo-welfare existance, so that these moochers can live (again) generation after generation with no job, taxpayer-funded housing, and taxpayer funded healthcare to deliver their gazillion illegitimate babies and stitch up the baby mamma and baby pappa gunshot wounds.
There are books published on how to get aboard the SSI gravy train. Just memorize the unprovable symptoms and pretend to have the dysfunction. Bi-Polar is a favorite. In northern CA, whole communities have the problem. SSI is supplemented in CA with extra cash from the State. Then they get Food Stamps. And free medical. Generations of folks, whole towns, do not work and never have.
THAT is why CA is so Blue. Entitlements. They will not vote to cut off their livelihoods, their life of ease.
Section 8, food stamps, a series of vouchers that hides the real benefits, and the utter decimation of monitoring by social workers to ensure that multiple men aren’t also living off mom’s benefit cluster.
Party time.
“I’m positively certain that I remember Clinton repealing welfare”
No, you remember a REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS shoving welfare reform down his gagging throat, while his base screamed in rage.
However, since it worked out very well, the left now wants to take credit for it.
Waaaaaaay back in the day, I conducted an indepth study of the proposed European Economic Community (EEC), now the EU. Even as an undergrad, one fatal flaw stood out: the leadership of this purported ECONOMIC coalition was comprised primarily of academics and politicians. The obvious missing link: business people with hands-on, rubber-meets-road economic and executive experience in the REAL world. IMHO at that time, this glaring problem did not bode well for long-term success.
If Obama has his way, we will soon be like (or part of) the failing EU. Didn’t we already fight this war, more than once?
VDH, please, PLEASE keep writing these things and getting them into as many newspaper op-eds as you can. This is what our country needs to hear, over and over and over again.
Dave E: Obama’s bureaucratic tentacles have zeroed in on Texas, via the EPA, in an effort to shut down the source of 26% of the U.S.’s gasoline supplies. It seems Washington wants every state to resemble California.
Stay tuned; Texas has been resisting the EPA
on this issue for some time, and it will be
_verry_interesting_ to see how the escalation
plays out.
My fear is that the extreme antics of the green/left will encourage the general public to accept a populist demagogue savior who promises to control them. I think we know where that leads.
I am “Them”. You are “Them”. We are “Them”.
The left still controls the bulk of the media. The bulk of the people are persuaded by this State media. The left also controls the White House, the majority of Congress, and (most importantly) the totality of the Administrative State.
The “Them” who will get the blame is us — conservatives, Republicans, tea partiers, right-wingers, “red-staters”, …US. We will catch the blame for the communist police state to come, and the communist police state to come will arise by blaming US.
I hope you are prepared.
When trying to solve such problems it is necessary to find the overarching sentiments behind the destructive wasteland that the 60s counter culture has left in the wake of its hatred of America before 1960.
Some are still a partial mystery. Why for example does Sweden seem addicted to having so many muslim immigrants despite the clear evidence of how bad it has been for other countries and their own? Is it as simple as kickbacks or something we haven’t seen?
The answer would seem to lie in the fact that the Liberals we blame for this cannot see a thing if they are set in their mind that it shouldn’t be; there is no such thing as tough love in the psyche of a liberal, just more programs to throw at a situation and unconditional love for anybody from the Third World but at everyone’s expense.
Another factor is the increasing willingness of the average American to sit and take whatever the gov’t throws at them without doing anything about it other than voting for the “other” guy. What the Tea Party should be doing instead of standing around on wide lawns with signs is to organize a tax revolt, one that will make people stand up and listen.
Everyone should stop paying in their state and federal taxes and take that money and give it to the institutions they feel need it and warrant it. Only by denuding the state and fed. gov’t's of our money can we combat their wasteful spending. Everyone should announce to the state and feds in the form of a letter that they ARE in fact going to pay every penny of their taxes but just not directly to them. Laws preventing an unbalanced budget and printing money wholesale which devalues our currency should have teeth. The problem is the Supreme Court stands in the way of common sense in this country in so many areas.
Forced charity as in the example of welfare is not the answer nor is blithely paying our corrupt politicians without real representation. We need a grass roots revolt that will keep money local and away from the Feds and their mad dreams of being foreign police at the cost of half our treasury. There is no reason we should be in a constant state of alert against men with turbans nor paying money to help illegal aliens who have no business in this country in the first place.
The laundry list is long and cannot be fully addressed here but we need to rebuild our government from the ground up starting with denying them income rather than votes and with insisting this country stop being a repository for the people of every failed nation in the Third World. People who are addicted to this type of charity can go join the Peace Core instead of trying to make me pay for some idiot in Haiti or granting “amnesty” to every fool who ever disagreed with their own corrupt government. Top of the list is using our bureaucracy which can find a needle in a haystack but somehow cannot find 12 million illegal aliens to get rid of them and to stop the “anchor baby” law.
As I have said many times, the average American is nothing more than a baggage handler for the Third World airport the United States has become complete with “rights” for any and all who can sneak in. On the other side of the airport, our gov’t screens us to find money and denudes us of all it can without us physically resisting to fund it’s mad schemes of endless economic growth based on smoke, mirrors and immigration as well as it’s endless and byzantine jockeying for military hegemony in a world without any conventional military threats besides saber rattling.
@ “…there is no such thing as tough love in the psyche of a liberal, just more programs to throw at a situation and unconditional love for anybody from the Third World but at everyone’s expense.”
Very true. This is because their anthropology is one big mess. They think people are fundamentally good and need only a positive external environment to do good consistently, even automatically. Our Constitution, in contrast, was fortunately written by men who understood the depravity of man (and woman) that needed to be restrained, not abetted, by Government. Liberals inhabit a fantasy world with no sin and thus no redemption, only societal life support that always ends badly for everyone concerned. Their fingers must be pried off the levers of power and the wallets of the productive.
“we need to rebuild our government from the ground up starting with denying them income rather than votes and with insisting this country stop being a repository for the people of every failed nation in the Third World. ”
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BINGO! Actually, a “plan” occurred to me the other day … the only problem is how to promote it quickly… virally … before “they” shut it down. Essentially, “we” all decide to unite and strangle “them” … a pseudo union with no dues.
FOR THE BANKS:
1. Everyone remove all their funds from large banks, large brokerage houses, etc. Instead, go to small credit unions and local banks.
2. Cash in your IRAs, 401Ks, etc – take the 10% loss, b/c it is rapidly turning worthless anyway (and in danger of seizure), and replace it with gold, silver, etc.
3. Cancel your credit cards. Use peer to peer lending sources *or* your small bank or credit union instead.
4. No more mortgage company property tax withholdings… put it in your mattress and pay it every 6 months.
5. Pay off whatever you can to deny “them” interest unless you are with a small bank, local credit union, etc.
CORRUPTION:
1. A new twist on “if you see something, say something”: Create a “National Tattletale” website that is a “media outlet” – ie, does not have to reveal their sources. All of “us” report EVERYTHING see that is corrupt or distasteful – state, local, federal, private – and the “media outlet” reports it. Eventually even the left will become believers.
2. No “tattletale” sources are ever revealed, period. If necessary, you pay people who are already incarcerated to take the blame as the “source” – they are ALREADY in jail so there are no repercussions, and would LOVE to get some cash.
EDUCATION:
1. Create an accredited “National Homeschool” … all lessons delivered online. Claim it is for “green” reasons. Pull your kids out of the State schools. This will bust the teachers unions, and make most of the support staff useless. I can go on forever about the advantages (more parental control, etc.) – but I’m sure you can see it.
TAXES:
1. Gradually reduce your Federal and State deductions bit by bit. Put the money in your mattress. Pay whatever you need to by April 15th – or quarterly – so you won’t be penalized.
HEALTHCARE:
1. Cancel your major medical insurance, and replace it with separate hospitalization policies (cheap), “cancer” policies (cheap), accident policies (cheap)… and then cut a deal with your doctor on what you’d have to pay without insurance. Tell him what you’re doing. Do the same with your small local pharmacy.
2. Get a group together and create a regional medical center. There are lots of empty buildings now, someone will cut you a great deal! All people who donate their time or supplies to keep it going, get to go there for reduced (or free) rates. Charge everyone else a price just slightly below “typical” charges to draw in business. (Do NOT take insurance – people have to bill their own insurance company.) Hire a few doctors and nurses. Have your own lab, or subcontract out your lab work. The drug reps will leave samples, trust me. NO SURGERY done here (that’s what your hospitalization (etc.) policies are for) Everyone signs a statement waiving malpractice suits.
And BTW, this is what is called “affordable HEALTHCARE” – not “you have to buy insurance to get treatment”. Much more sane way of doing things.
FOOD CO-OP:
Cut a deal with local farmers. Get as much of your food from these sources as possible.
CREATE A NATIONAL “US-MADE” WEBSITE:
1. Post your business on here, and let others find you.
2. If you (or your business) needs a product manufactured, post a request for it.
3. Do your best to only purchase items through this site… and before you know it, bye bye China, India, Pakistan,Thailand, etc.
4. Every time you buy something, send a note to the “big company” competitor that produces their product overseas, and tell them you just bought something… but not from THEM. They’ll get the idea.
There’s many more pieces to the plan than this. The whole idea is that it puts US back in control, and keeps money in the community.
*SIGH* I’ll probably get a knock on my door for proposing THIS one…
‘The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money’? – M.Thatcher
It’s a basic, fundamental truth and wisdom that escapes every liberal progressive I’ve ever met in my lifetime, anywhere in the world. They just cannot, and refuse to see the consequences of their own actions.
Greece has always had ‘baket-case’ written all over it. Little to no manufacturing base whatsoever, they live everyday like there’s no tomorrow – as such have no real motivation to leave a lasting legacy for future generations, utter irresponsibility, they’ve sucked at the EU’s teat all while partying in Dionysian style till six every morning for decades. In the same time what infrastructure had been attained from overly generous European subsidies was from the sweat and toil of foreign illegals, who steadily grow in size and potentially can or will outnumber the Greek natives. Fast-forward to today and you have the inevitable dummy-spit of hundreds of thousands of leftist free-loaders when reality of their ways leaves them broken and insolvent. Greek socialism has shown that public sector largess cannot guarantee a life-long job, a pension, a productive manufacturing base, R&D, etc.. only recklessness followed by misery. Socialism decays all that is worthwhile, it kills enterprise, it stifles ingenuity, and it abandons hope of any real prosperity. What it takes, what it appropriates it destroys – effortlessly.
Also many of the current generation of Greeks have never had to deal with the hardships of world wars, civil wars and famines. They’ve had it ‘too good’, for too long and lack the willpower (and work-ethic) of past generations to survive, let alone see their own follies. Today’s crop of Greek leftist and anarchist has been indoctrinated by pseudo intellectual elite since at least the seventies to take their anger to the streets, run riot and barricade themselves in campuses without ‘major consequence’. Social decay and collapse has gone hand in hand with popular social/liberal ideology, there’s no doubting it.
If anyone really wants to know what socialism will do to a nation its peoples, its psyche (soul), what its comprehensive agendas ultimately result in economically, culturally, morally, politically then look no further than Greece. Chaos, and catastrophe.
Democracy and capitalism is not perfect but it’s by far the best model to create jobs, to help individuals to be self-sufficient, to help their families, the community, the country as a whole. It aspires, it realizes, it advances commerce, society, freedom and liberty.
California, Spain, France, and elsewhere please come to your senses. As a Greek all I can advise to others elsewhere is to not even think of flirting with socialist/communist/marxist ideals, it leaves far too many lazy, bitter, broke and helpless.
Somewhat forgotten in this mix is how close Greece came to being run by communists not all that many decades ago and the price that was paid in hostility towards the West to see to it this did not come about.
The resultant polity is more socialist as a result and it should come as no surprise that underneath all the desire to make sure no one is poor, everyone is now poor and Greece starting to look like it used a magicians tricks to avoid looking like Cuba. Take away tourism and what do you really have in Greece?
It appears that everyone here “knows” that socialism/liberalism has failed. #21, Attila, goes so far to say that we will now teach them a lesson.
If we are all that certain, where were we when the policies were being created? The only lesson I see that is going to happen is a lesson to us that this is an unmitigated disaster. These people are not going to be suddenly “enlightened”. They are not going to pick up garden tools and get to work to provide some food. They have been taught all of their lives that their livilhood depends on taking from someone else. Taking from others will be the first thought that crosses their minds. By others, I mean you, the enlightened ones commenting here. If you now have to defend yourself and your families, why weren’t you willing to put up a fight when this crap was being created?
Now WE are going to recieve a lesson. It will be a lesson coming from the forty one million people who have been “programed” to expect food stamps so they do not go hungry. It will come from those that have collected unemployment for three years. It will come from the union pensioners that have bankrupted your state and many others. They are going to act exactly the same way the Greeks are now acting. They are going to go into the streets and demand that someone (you) provide for them. Well armed gangs are going to rove around the cities and the countryside taking from those that have something. This is what happened in Argentina in the late 1990′s.
This is inevitable. There is nothing to stop it. I am surprised that so few stories are written about what is going to happen. Dr. Hanson has only told you about the middle of the story. The end of the story involves you personally and whether you are going to get out of this alive. If you are living in a city, I suggest that you look for another place to live immediately. Look for a small place that produces food and has a few people that know how to help themselves and defend themselves. Become one of them as soon as possible. Make sure you have emergency supplies. To avoid having to hand over everything you own to one of the frustrated entitlement crowd, make sure you have a gun or two and know how to use them.
The violence in the U.S. will be larger than the violence in countries that were less wealthy and had a less spoiled populace. Our violence will be driven by the extreme anger that comes from a huge population of spoiled, worthless jerks that have never taken care of themselves in their lives. They are not going to suddenly see the light and become good citizens.
They are going to come after you.
It has already started. My manufacturing plant is in a residential/commercial minority neighborhood. I have been broken into 10+ times in last year. The police told me I am about the last private company still staying. All the rest have left for rural areas outside of the city. My foreman enters the building every morning with a cocked and loaded handgun.
The policeman told me to leave, that it was only going to get worse.
The shame of it is that a neighborhood like this has tens of men who have no cars that could work. My company is the kind that could offer them a chance if we had any kind of economy at all, but we don’t.
Ray Elliott wrote:
“Now WE are going to recieve a lesson. It will be a lesson coming from the forty one million people who have been “programed” to expect food stamps so they do not go hungry. It will come from those that have collected unemployment for three years. It will come from the union pensioners that have bankrupted your state and many others. They are going to act exactly the same way the Greeks are now acting. They are going to go into the streets and demand that someone (you) provide for them. Well armed gangs are going to rove around the cities and the countryside taking from those that have something. This is what happened in Argentina in the late 1990′s.”
as well as:
“The violence in the U.S. will be larger than the violence in countries that were less wealthy and had a less spoiled populace. Our violence will be driven by the extreme anger that comes from a huge population of spoiled, worthless jerks that have never taken care of themselves in their lives. They are not going to suddenly see the light and become good citizens.
They are going to come after you. January 2, 2011 – 6:59 pm”
With all due respect, I think you RADICALLY underestimate the amount of firepower already owned by a rather large fraction of those that you think will be “taken from”.
The so-called “well armed gangs” rarely have the discipline to receive proper training, nor the planning skills necessary to assemble some of the defensive arsenals that now exist. It is quite likely that, with the exception of the most dense urban areas, there are several quite close to you, without your knowledge.
Look up some of the statistics on weapon and ammunition purchases over the last two years alone. What distinguishes the United States from Argentina and many other places that have fallen victim for extended periods to roving gangs of looters is the American tradition and embracing of firearm ownership.
Should the scenarios you outline begin to transpire, I predict a radically different outcome. These adolescent thinkers will attempt to do as you describe, and might take from some small number in the heart of some number of cities… but their progress will very likely end when they run across the first few private self-defended arsenals. I’ve met several of the folks who are deeply serious about their levels of preparedness. Many of them are likely NOT who you would expect.
At that point, I expect that the roving gangs will be decimated, perhaps multiple times over. Many will flee from their first true encounter with trained opposition who will not quietly accede to the demands of thugs. The remaining stragglers will be mopped up in fairly short order, and as the word gets out about what is happening, all but an extreme (and small) contingent will fade back into the woodwork to reappear as the same dependent faces, perhaps a bit more chastened.
Those who flee will not suddenly be “better people”, but they will have seen first-hand that their fantasies about a life of plenty through looting would be brought to a short and brutal end.
Resolve will harden among the general populace as those last hardcore thugs escalate… and those who had previously been willing to only hunker down will now emerge towards the front lines, and there will likely be no escape.
I expect you are correct in one thing: that blood likely will run in the streets when such an undertaking is launched. I think you’ve simply misidentified who the likely blood sources are, and thus underestimate how severely self-limiting such an approach would likely be.
So yes… if you are in a very densely urban area, consider relocation. For the vast, vast majority of us, that is not the case. The suburbs would be a fairly disastrous target for these gangs. They have NO IDEA of the buzz-saw that they would likely be walking into.
I pray it never happens… and fear that it becomes more and more likely over time. But I do not for a moment doubt the outcome.
To Prepared,
I believe that you are prepared. However not many are. If you look at our aging population, many, perhaps most, have no firearms or the interest to own them. They are too old to relocate to a new community, so they will stay where they are. They won our big wars, voted conservative, saved their money and now find that the printing presses have destroyed their savings. They will be humiliated by having to beg to live out their lives.
Read my article “Predicting the date of the economic collapse”, Ray Elliott and you will find further suggestions on how to survive the coming collapse.
We have established a neighborhood un-welcoming committee. All of us with prior training courtesy of Uncle Sugar. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.
expect the msm to come out next few weeks fully expecting congress to approve these bailouts. they will scream bloody murder when the repub’s we just elected say no.
this is where we conservatives laugh. this is where we start saving this country from its greedy, lazy … well, you know.
if we do somehow wind up bailing these blue states out, it will be the end of us. every one of these crooks will know they can come to ‘uncle sugar’, and nothing in their spending plans will change, until we all go down. i predict, if we do wind up financing this fiasco, in 10 years many areas of the u.s. will resemble other third world countries.
Excellant article and as usual, the readers’ comments are equally good.
What must be considered is the likelihood of a stealth mode bailout of California, something that would have been easy with the prior Congress and America Asleep, but which now would be uprooted and examined during the committee and the legislative process.
And don’t forget this could occur within the Executive branch via regulatory methods, it does not have to be via legislative.
Think like the adversary, those who would take your money without your knowing it. Always consider the effect of inflation on the equations of taxation.
Spendulus
Check out Charles Krauthammer’s article on this very point over at NRO.
Dear Dr. Hanson: I touched on Greek rioting in my own 2010 year-end news-wrapup posting; here’s how I concluded the part about Greece:
“….Which is why the riots in Greece are so significant, as they illustrate where the path of state-entitlement-to-all leads. Those who continue to bemoan the inability of the state to fund its “obligations” expect everyone else to do so, and that process will escape scrutiny for a while – but at some point, when the state’s bill exceeds your own income, will you still think of rioting as some option for other people in a distant and far away land?
The process of state control over the individual is well-illustrated by the events in Greece, but to listen to the majority of our “news” outlets, you are once again steered to a view that the only problem that Greek rioting teaches us is the selfishness and greed of those who continue to oppose the non-stop expansion of government entitlement, to which there are no limits, nor should there ever be.
No, they don’t say that last part aloud – but what exactly, then, are they proposing should be done instead?”
NahnCee, the welfare reform that Clinton signed did do quite a bit of good. Unfortunately, California did not go along with it. Now I believe California has around 1/3 of the welfare recipients in the US.
From what I see where I live, “disability” is the new welfare. My disabled neighbor was able to replace his very steep roof after hail destroyed it this summer. I should be so healthy.
Despite the fact that my Greek roots go back to the 19th century I still have close relatives in Greece that I know very well. I see much concern among them,and for the same reasons, as VDH exhibits. Furthermore, the Socialist government that is enacting the austerity measures has majority support among the population. The demonstrators are persisting but the obvious governmental plan is to continue ratcheting things until a more productive society emerges. I think the goverment and the bulk of the people will win. As “Roughcoat” points out in #47 above, when Greeks come to the US they work superhard, and are correspondingly productive. A little reality provided by the banks and the Germans can provide the incentive for this to be duplicated in Greece itself.
As everyone above notes, CA is a close analogy. There are hordes of hard working productive Americans there. I expect that as the pain mounts either the politicians or the population will swing. No guarantees, of course,but the victories of the West came from survivors and I expect this will continue.
The most hopeful post so far. Perhaps the knowledge that one is to be hanged in the morning will in fact concentrate enough minds …
“I expect that as the pain mounts either the politicians or the population will swing.”
Tom, the problem with this prediction is education. The hordes in California who continue to vote in the leftists, are quite mal-educated.
They are not CAPABLE of putting two and two together.
Every day I feel a little more like Rorshach….
“They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father, or President Truman. Decent men, who believed in a day’s work for a day’s pay. Instead the followed the droppings of lechers and Communists and didn’t realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don’t tell me they didn’t have a choice.
Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers… and all of a sudden, nobody can think of anything to say.”
Great quote from the Watchman movie. The following quote from Leonard Peikoff’s The ominous Parallels, published in the 1980 as I recall, is perhaps even more appropos. Many of those who laughed at Peikoff then and dismissed him aren’t laughing any more.
I wonder what got into the folks in NJ which shares many of the same problems? Why can a Christie get elected and enjoy public support in such a Blue State while NY, CA, and IL etc keep liberals in power? I haven’t any answer but it seem worth investigating. It seems to me that state governments spent too much and promised too much in terms of things like pensions and undertook expensive environmental programs without recognizing the economic consequences. So we have to scale back and the longer we put it off the more likely things like pensions and essential services salaries will just collapse. I think it is a case of “Cut now or chaos later.”
“I wonder what got into the folks in NJ which shares many of the same problems?”
As a Garden Stater, I can answer that one – excessive corruption (even by NJ standards), taxes even higher than CA, and a very lackluster Democratic incumbent allowed Christie to win – by just 4 points.
“Better yet, the red-state-minded “they” (the nasty upper one-percent who stole from the rest of us due to their grasping but superfluous businesses)”
What does “upper one-percent” mean here? Income? Political connections? IQ? Let’s assume for a moment, it means “upper crust society,” that is, inherited wealth of self-described cultured brights.
California’s population is 37 million. One percent is 370,000. If 3,000 red-state superfluous graspers left each week, after 123.3 weeks, they’d all be gone. Three years is 156 weeks. Therefore, all those nasty people have left California, maybe several times over. California is filled with beneficent non-graspers.
Aside from the impossible math, this is a vile slander. The richest people in California are Democrats, not “red-staters.”
Fair enough, I suppose, contrary to the “professional left’s” (as Illustrious Vice-Dear Leader called it)usual slander, a huge proportion of this nation’s elite megawealthy really line up on the D side of the aisle, the notorious “limousine liberals.” They are virtually a plague here in Massachusetts. It is truly eye-opening to take a drive around some of the wealthiest neighborhoods of Cape Cod, and see the left-wing campaign signs and bumper stickers visible on the multi-million dollar waterfront estates that are occupied three or four months out of the year.
America has created a society that worships youth and its particular beauty and has devalued age and wisdom.
Is it any wonder that the intellectual process has fallen prey to the same desire- emulating the way young people think and the immature thought process has become a positive value.
The failure to see consequences and blame others is a sign of immature thinking. As one grows it is replaced by mature thinking and responsible action.
The overturning of moral structure is at the root of all the problems VDH points out so well.
APPLAUSE!!!!!
It’s NOT “the economy, stupid.”
In the end, it all comes down to morality, or the lack thereof, much to the teeth-gnashing dismay of libertarians and leftists alike.
Reading all those excelent responses to Dr Hanson GENIAL article I noticed something remarkable: The almost total lack of the usual TROLLS who otherwise regularily pollute the pages of Pajama’s blog.
The lefty Californian, Bill is the only exception.
PJM doesn’t *do* Trolls here. It’s one of the things that makes this site unique.
They were all in Hawaii as entourage for the ‘Chosen Won’.
Loved your article Dr. Hanson. My concern for you is that you have a back up plan. I would hate for you to be caught in that chaos when California crumbles.
I would bet good money that our beloved VDH would have numerous choices of suitable, congenial hospitality in which to take refuge, should it ever become necessary.
Our elites liked the idea of stopping new gas and oil extraction, shutting down the nuclear power industry,
Don’t forget about ripping down hydro-electric dams. Cali practiced state-suicide.
Frederick the Great stated a military dictum: “Who defends everywhere defends nowhere.” It’s the same for the government: “Who does everything for the people does nothing for the people.”
Amusing and bemusing and really well done. Californians want the idyllic existence. They just want everyone else to support their way of life. That nitty gritty stuff is not a lot of fun.
Very much enjoyed the essay and the discussion. I live in CA and am looking forward to imaginative policies to end our bankruptcy — such as ending the anti-scientific green nonsense; no retirement on anything other than one’s personal savings until after age 70; or importing water from the north (Canada?) to this desert state so that our agricultural riches are with us (and the rest of the world) always. (See Holocene geological history — we have multi- hundred- hundreds-year drought here.) There are many more. Policies like these won’t happen without a no-bailout from the feds. Man and woman up, Teapartiers.
An important however. Blaming seems as endemic to the right as to the left. Just as the left blames the “rich”, the right blames “them”. I wish the right could get over calling “the people” freeloaders (always going after medicare and social security, e.g.) and address the issues in fiscally reasonable language. Imaginative “conservative” policies are necessary that will address large urban populations (e.g., enhancing work opportunities, not welfare). As we all know, the government cannot provide jobs or affluence; these come from free-market entrepreneurs and their employees. But the government can provide work opportunities until the private sector takes off (from New Republican Party policies – the fed out of our lives). You highly intelligent, no-nonsense, entrepreneurially types are in the minority and are needed for leadership, not blaming. (Also it is essential to true the vote.)
You could learn alot from the “deep South.”
Too many yappers, and me one too. When folks are struggling to work to pay bills in a healthy economy they do not have time to yap on blogs such as this.
When folks are wasting away for lack of something REAL to do, they yap about it, in old times on the General Store and Post Office porch, because those places are cheaper than taverns, but sometimes in taverns too (see the olden American story Rip Van Winkle). That means the economy is in a bust phase, or in our case — a gangrene toxic phase leading almost surely to cultural death.
The cure for gangrene is maggots, and if you don’t cure it we’ll get the maggots anyway.
Only fair to point out two things liberals outside California did which set the state on its current path. In the 60′s I think, the U.S. Supreme Court set aside residency requirments for getting welfare. All those beautiful freeways we built in the 1950′s filled up with everybody elses trash and the welfare rolls swelled. Then the Clinton Admin took away Californias ability to collect taxes on the out of state activities of California businesses. What followed is what you see today. The most physically beautiful state in the union up to its ears in debt and “entitlements” and no way out. It’s our fault for not behaving responsibly but we did have help from the rest of the country.
I’m trying to figure out who “them” are. Big business. Bankers. Republicans. Christians. Ordinary Americans who don’t want to turn the U.S. into a Euro-style welfare state. I think that covers everybody. And the worst insult the liberal can offer these groups: they’re “anti-intellectual.” The reason we disagree with Progressives: We’re stupid, just like Sarah Palin and George Bush.
I wonder – are people Progressives because they think they’re smart, or do they think they’re smart because they’re Progressives?
“Them?” If I had to point anywhere, suspect that it’s the Planned History gang who in turn exploit the dreamy wishful thinkers, giddy immanentists and coercive Utopians in their pursuit of absolute power. You can read about them and interpolate their aims and ambitions in Carrol Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope. “Hope,” indeed. Quigley’s an interesting read. A brilliant historian with an overwhelming contempt for ‘odrinary people’. People just like you and me. But that perspective is precisely that of those who intend to rule us.
History’s messy. So is any society based upon individual liberty, the responsibility that it demands, limited government and the rule of law. The Planned History gang doesn’t like that. How much easier it is to ‘manage’ like cattle those you haven’t killed off. They are all monsters – killers without conscience. They’ve come to the fore in the last 150 years – they have a history of their own and their ideas have a pedigree.
The real “them” are your masters, the pols and religious leaders only their puppets,to which you bow down in humble obeisance. And you are all so smart that you do not even believe “them” exists. One day they will show their faces, but for you it will be too late. The chains now being forged will be fastened, and the gallows built for those who resist will be a busy enterprise, and no doubt, the “people” will stand and cheer every time the trap is pulled.
haha. Legalization of marijuana would save Californias economy, only if the entitlements were capped. But no, the people of California would rather have a completely bankrupt state than jeopardizing our children from the evils of pot. What a friggin joke.
Every parent knows these lessons. Four-year-olds do not call the shots. And these same parents elect liberals, who run things like four-year-olds.
The insanity of liberal progressive socialist legislation has infected many of our citizens and Hanson notes it well. We have met the enemy and it is us as Pogo said. Our uninformed stupid welfare entitlement voters put this naif in the WH in and only now after two years can we see how horrid all of this legislation is. Yet, it goes on and unless the GOP conservatives can resist going across the aisle,we will be Green, Ireland,Venezuela and Cuba within our lifetime. Of course,China will own us and Obama will be the UN’s Security General.
Anyone who traveled to the now-defunct Soviet Union has seen and heard all this before. They had a saying that was the running national joke. It went like this: “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us”.
As we are talking about the Soviets, the original and most dyed-in-the-wool “progressives”, the lesson repeated in VDH’s article rings truer and more bitter, given the joke the people themselves used like a soccer ball. While they were speaking of their own system, they were also describing Greece and California. Unfortunately for the Soviet citizens, no other country would loan them money or buy their debt. When California gets past the coming tipping point, everyone will treat us like the Soviets, and stop buying ours. By then, all the businesses will have left, and those “paid” by the government will be repeating the old Sov saw among themselves.
The people who are really suffering are those, like my parents, who are 3rd and 4th generation Californians, who have voted against every liberal politician and initiative on the ballot to no avail. My family has ranched and owned family businesses of one type or another since the early 1900′s, but because we live in the Bay Area, we have NO representation in congress. And because of the extreme leftist agendas of both our senators and congresswoman, there is no hope of being heard. I have moved out of the state, but visit often. I am very sad to see what has become of California, and its vast resources that have been squandered. My son is at CalPoly, and has dreams of returning to ranching. I do not want to squash his aspirations, but it seems an impossible task.
A study, conducted by the Pew Center on the States, found that California, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Wisconsin are among the most bankrupt states in the country. The only ones not run top-to-bottom by Democrats were Arizona, Florida and Nevada…all of which have huge illegal immigration problems.
California to become America’s first failed state?
Their unemployment is at 12 percent, and government staff workers are being paid with IOUs. None other than Professor Kevin Starr, University of Southern California, State Librarian Emeritus, one of California’s greatest historians, pronounced that “We are on the verge of becoming a failed state because we can’t agree on anything.” The California Senate has been in Democratic hands since 1970, and likewise, the Assembly — The reason California may be our first failed state is because the Democratic recipe for success in California is the same as in every other liberal state — more spending —– particularly on social programs and public employee sector benefits. Spending is the public policy that gets Democrats re-elected. (Their state budget went from $56 billion in 1998 to an eye popping $131 billion in 2009.) What nobody on the left is willing to admit is that blue states are in meltdown. Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Illinois (Obamaland), Pennsylvania, Oregon and, of course, California, are in debtors prison. High levels of taxation, a love affair with regulations — the more the merrier — and the unremitting expansion of public sector employment have made public sector unions a political powerhouse. It’s hard to imagine that the debates in the primary elections will not focus on job creation in the private sector, and stemming the tide of businesses and high-income residents fleeing the state. So will California’s elections move them right of center as we saw with Europe’s large social democracies, or will their fascination for Obama-like left-leaning economic policies remain intact — no jobs, increased spending and bigger government. Lastly, Los Angeles voted to Arizona boycott over immigration law. Who cares? Many states are now looking at passing the same law. LA and San Francisco have just hurt there on own economy’s which according to all the top economists won’t last long anyway. This is bad news, who wants to be like California Not Arizona. Many experts agree that after the November elections the Democrats will lose the House and Obama’s rating will drop 20% to the lowest ever recorded for any US President.
The legislator(s) who wrote this future, have, by definition, no concept of what the “free market” is. Employers do not “distort” the market. They react to the natural forces at work in the market. So do landlords who write commercial leases. The idea that these capitalists don’t know how much parking spaces cost them and need an artificial penalty system designed by collectivist nitwits in Sacramento is arrogant and stupid. It is so arrogant and stupid that it’s impossible to tell whether the arrogance causes the stupidity or vice-versa.
California is living proof that there really is no end to the harm liberals will do to any economy they get their hands on. People are fleeing California by the hundreds of thousands because the state gov’t has made it impossible to prosper there. So naturally the ‘solutions’ proposed by the state are to invent even more of the same onerous regulations that are already destroying that prosperity.
In another 10 years there won’t be anyone left in California except spoiled movie stars and the homeless. Come to think of it, the “stars” won’t be there either, in fact the movie studios are leaving now, it’s to expensive. Of course, they won’t broadcast that to the people (the smelly and worshiping masses as the Hollyweird elitist’s call them).
California Wins Dumbest State Award in Landslide
Kyle-Ann Shiver
It should be essential that all conservatives understand that before any discussion of a bailout there must be a clear insistence that any State must yield its sovereign right of
self government when accepting Federal money or assistance.
Bailouts will become the death of America without some control.
The Greece/California analogy is interesting but not persuasive. The underlying causes seem very different. California’s borrowing has happened because the state government/initiative process is dysfunctional–since Prop 13 it has been much easier to pass programs than to pay for them. Property taxes are totally out of whack compared to the rest of the nation. As others have noted above, we are the only oil-producing state without a severance tax. Class sizes in California schools are escalating. We have one of the worst foreclosure rates in the nation. Some “progressive conspiracy”…
Come on California’s property taxes are not out of whack but house prices are. Property taxes must be looked at in the light of property values and “Dorothy we’re not in Kansas”.
As a percentage of property value California is OK.
The real problem is aggressive spending. California has 12% of the nation’s population but 33% of the welfare spending. What is that all about? And prisons that cost 3 times as much per inmate as Texas? Umh, is there a pattern here? Yes, the liberal legislature spends like there is no tomorrow!
I guess you missed my point that property taxes are way LOW compared to the rest of the country, especially for non-residential property, due to Prop 13. Warren Buffett said so back when Schwarzenegger was first elected, but was rebuffed by the movie star. I’ll accept your figures for welfare spending and prison spending, if you’ll admit that education funding in California is way below the national average. (And Texas is a model for anyone why?) I’ll even accept that public employee pensions are “too high,” as long as someone out there will explain why private sector pensions are non-existent and why that is a good thing. If we lived in a civilized society, working people would be entitled to vacations, decent health care, sick leave, and decent pensions.
But I’m the one in denial.
I’m not going to address your silly sentiment about “civilized societies” and the swell freebies to which we’re all entitled, but thought you would at least like to know where California stands in terms of it’s combined state and local property taxes relative to the rest of the country.
According the census bureau’s 2006 statistics (the last year they compiled a comparison of state tax data) California ranked 28th.
So that puts them in the middle of the pack. YOU may think this is way too low but it’s not “out of whack” with the rest of the country.
Brad,
So with corporate tax rate in California eight highest in the country and sixth per capita http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/15.html, you want to burden businesses with higher property tax? That should drive out more companies out of the state. What’s a few million more lost jobs so long as you can soak the “rich.” Right, Brad?
Can you spell denial?
De Nile
Not just a dirty river in Egypt.
Gave thought some years ago to moving to California, but now glad that notion fell by the wayside.
Can’t claim a realization of California’s fiscal insanity was what detered me from moving out there. What did is I’m a gun owner & don’t like California’a “progressive gun laws.”
Too bad the state can’t/won’t secede from the Union. Consequently, probably in the end the rest of us are going to get stuck with bailing out, saving, the rascals from the results of their own irresponsible profligacy.
OTOH, why should, must, we bail them out?
I live in California, retired, and now teach at a community college. 2 years ago I attended a “state of economy and its effects on academics” for faculty members. A UCSB professor of economics spoke. He explained to the liberal audience that California is fast approaching the upside down pyramid. As more and more illegal aliens come into the state, and more and more graduates of our college system leave the state, we are fast approaching 1/3 workers and 2/3 entitlement recipients. He described how more than two thirds of our California graduates are seeking employment out of state. That what we have left are illegal aliens with 3rd grade educations that cannot fill the high tech jobs. After the conference, you should have heard the denial. Most of the faculty I talked with were simply in denial and nearly delusional, and very angry at the UCSB Professor of Economics. It blew my mind, but it probably shouldn’t have.
interesting. please tell me the UCSB professor’s name – I would like to contact this fella and read some his stuff.
Mr. Hanson,
This is one of your very best essays. Your pen, sir, has become a scalpel.
I doubt truer words can ever be put to paper.
California will not wake up. I have it from good sources that the new guv does not believe that public pensions are a problem. Brown also plans to appoint many union people to high government posts.
If this continues VDH’s forecast is a certainty.
Good bye Cal I’m leaving.
It is incredible that the guy who arguably created this mess in California, Brown, gets re-elected.
That is evidence of the majority in this state. Not good.
California is on the road to bankruptcy. And sadly, for all the money we spend (or I should say “for all the money that government wastes”), we get very little in return. We are now the highest taxed state in the country, we have high cost of living, and yet we have one of the highest unemployment rates and one of the lowest rated educational systems (despite paying more money per capita than any other state). Democrats now run every state wide office, and the legislature is a super majority of Democrats. Their proposed solution is to force us to vote for raising our taxes even higher by showing us that other solutions won’t work. So when they force more of the wealthy business owners out of state, who will be left holding the bill? They will head to Washington for a bailout. When that day comes, Americans will need to decide…
“To “keep the peace” more use of “other peoples’ money””
Suppose those ‘other people’ want to keep their money and could care less about the peace? Then what?
WE will soon know. Congress will soon (March, IIRC) have to vote to raise the debt ceiling. If they don’t raise it, the handouts end. Calipornia will then be unable to pay their police. Or their fire fighters. Or their teachers. Then the gangs take over. That might be an improvement, Government is basically a protection racket. If they can’t protect you, who needs them? If the gangs can, then they become the new government.
The gang bangers solution to the environmental lobby will involve ropes and trees. 100% green.
Most parasites won’t kill their host. Some will….
Which sort are Calipornia Liberals?
Where have I seen this movie before?
Oh, Escape From NY.
Escaped from California: the sequel.
Left NY and CA in that order decades ago. Fun to visit and use the places and leave 7 days later.
Pretty simple really. Governments promise that which they do not have, then entitlement obsessed people demand that which is not there.
Greece is also at 1.3 fertility, which demographers say is the point from which no society has ever recovered. 10 people have 6 kids have 4 grandchildren. As Steyn says, “there’s no one left to screw over.” California is at the precipice, and running toward the edge. A state with the 8th largest economy on the planet is 20 Bil in the red and going down fast.
California is done! When the state reelected Sen Boxer and elected Jerry Brown again, despite the damage that the extreme left has done to the nation the last two years, they showed that the state has hit a critical mass where the rich arrogant left wing Elites, and their Kool-Aide drinkers, along with those looking for a free lunch are in solid control of a state sinking into a self imposed pit of financial quicksand! If you work for a living or own a business in CA get out while you can. Unless of course you love paying for the fad of the day with the extreme left wing Elites, and higher and higher handouts to the public employee unions and those that don’t want to work! CA can wallow in it own squalor as it sinks under the weight of the extreme left wing that has control of it. All I can say is don’t come asking MS, TX, KS, etc to bail you out. Just feed off of each other!
And Obama wants to extend the Greece and California Effects to the entire country–utter madness.
Lots of interesting comments here. Apparently lots of folks think the sky is falling. California’s deficit is about 1% of it’s total economic output. California’s economy is bigger than the next two (Texas, New York) combined. There is news every day about new and established high tech industries flourishing in Silicon Valley. Steel mills and canneries replaced the Orchards, the high tech revolution that replaced them is only in its infancy. Like Jobs & Zuckerberg, I’m not moving to Texas or Iowa. In fact I think the current California real estate market is the bargain of a lifetime. I’m all for tax fairness and I don’t have a problem paying my fair share. I have no problem helping people who really need help. And the conservative in me hopes Brown whacks the hell out of the bloated bureaucracies. Private industry has been hammering it’s employees for years, unfortunately we can no longer afford the sweet deals state employees contracted for during the good times. It will work out and I’ll make big bucks on the houses I sell you when you come back!
Amazing what people have come to expect others to pay for, isn’t it?
People should be warned how all this ends. Kipling wrote it long ago in the last words of his classic poem, “The Gods of the Copybook Headings”:
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Maybe California should sell itself to China:
http://www.ethicssage.com/2011/01/california-scheming.html
We in Texas understand California has some offshore islands. We don’t need no office buildings, but I reckon we’ll take them islands for a bailout. I bet there’s even some oil in the waters around ‘em. We’ll get that, too.
Californians have proved to be too weak and dumb to hold on to their stuff. Someone stronger and smarter must have it now.
Over the past 77 years, counting back from 2010, the Democratic Party has completely controlled Congress often with vast majorities
Over the past 77 years the Democrats have controlled the House of Representatives for 64 years (83%). All spending bills originate in the House.
Over the past 77 years the Democrats controlled the Senate for over 58 years (75%).
Combined overlap control, the Democrats have completely controlled Congress for 58 of 77 years. That is 75% of the last 77 years.
(Numbers from Wikipedia – control of Congress)
Who exactly is responsible for the current condition of this country and who exactly is responsible for all these massive “to big to solve” entitlement programs?
The answer is the Democrats. The Progressives.
The programs that are such a mess today are their programs, spawned during their massive majorities in Congress over the last 77 years and starting with the initiation of the FED.
In the last 60 years, the President who increased the deficit the most was Ronald Reagan, by 186%. Second was George w. Bush, by over 80%. Bill Clinton, by contrast, only increaded the deficit by 42% in his two terms combined. Learn some facts before you make yourself look foolish.
Learn some facts yourself. Presidents do not increase deficits, nor do they decrease them. It is Congress which appropriates funds.
What happens when politicians and unions get together?
They have an incestuous relationship and send the bill to those who have regular jobs that pay less than union jobs. What a cozy relationship. I’m feeling so much better now. Let’s continue the blood letting, there will always be another pint to be had.
Thank you, good doctor for a story to accompany the wisdom of POGO:
“We have met the enemy and they [them] ……”
The article is dead on. I would like one more bit of information for California residents. Where are the best places to move to?
This piece is a great example of conservative amnesia. What do you think caused the economic collapse in the first place? An unregulated financial industry – mortgage backed securities. The world is suffering from the ramifications of the conservatives ideology: business unfettered from government regulation. We had a situation where people were taking risks with other people’s money, without any government regulatory oversight. The mortgage brokers were giving mortgages to people they knew would have a hard time paying, then selling the mortgages off to investors without telling them the risks. The mortgage brokers themselves were making money from every mortgage they wrote, but the ones holding the mortgage-backed securities had the risk. Whenever you have people taking risks with other people’s money you need some kind of regulation. In the end, mortgage companies and banks with mortgage components in the US started failing, the stock market lost 40% of its value, and institutional investors (such as 401(k) programs, who weren’t informed of the risky mortgages they were buying into because this disclosure wasn’t necessary due to lack of regulation) lost a lot of money. Of course, the people who had actually given these very risky mortgages and their bosses got paid very well for them then walked away.
Seriously people, what did you think would happen when the people who get the reward don’t suffer any of the risk?
“Seriously…”? I doubt it but…
“The interaction of six government policies explains the timing, severity, and global impact of the financial crisis.”
If youre serious about getting to the bottom of the crash, read on…
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/december/how-government-failure-caused-the-great-recession
The interaction of six government policies explains the timing, severity, and global impact of the financial crisis.
1. Bank misregulation, in particular the international Basel capital rules, including a U.S. adaptation to them—the 2001 Recourse Rule—and the outsourcing of risk assessment by regulators to government-sanctioned rating agencies
2. Continually increasing leverage—driven largely by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac credit policies and the political obsession with taking credit for increased homeownership—into the U.S. mortgage system. Reduced down payments and loosened underwriting standards were a matter of government policy throughout the housing boom.
3. The enlargement of the riskier subprime and Alt-A mortgage markets by Fannie and Freddie through the abandonment of proven credit standards (e.g., dropping proof of income requirements) during the 2004-2007 period, and their combined accumulation of a $1.6 trillion portfolio of these loans to meet the affordable housing goals Congress mandated.
4. The FDIC, Federal Reserve, Treasury Department, and Congress undertook explicit or implicit creditor bailouts for large financial institutions starting in the 1980s (First Pennsylvania, Continental Illinois, the thrift industry, the Farm Credit System, etc.) and continuing to 2008 (Bear Stearns). These regulatory decisions led to an absence of creditor discipline of financial institution leverage and risk-taking (especially at Fannie and Freddie) and the “too big to fail” expectation of a government bailout.
5. The increase in FDIC deposit insurance from $40,000 to $100,000 per account in 1980 combined with the unchecked expansion of coverage up to $50 million under the Certificate of Deposit Account Registry Service beginning in 2003.
6. Artificially low and sometimes negative real federal funds rates from 2001 to 2005—a result of expansionary Fed monetary policy—fueled the subprime and Alt-A mortgage boom and widened the asset-liability maturity gap for banks (see chart below).
Read the report and get informed.
Cahoots – by Carl Sandburg, published in 1920 and proving today is much like yesterday…..
Play it across the table.
What if we steal this city blind?
If they want any thing let ‘em nail it down.
Harness bulls, dicks, front office men,
And the high goats up on the bench,
Ain’t they all in cahoots?
Ain’t it fifty-fifty all down the line,
Petemen, dips, boosters, stick-ups and guns — what’s to hinder?
Go fifty-fifty.
If they nail you call in a mouthpiece.
Fix it, you gazump, you slant-head, fix it.
Feed ‘em …
Nothin’ ever sticks to my fingers, nah, nah, nothin’ like that,
But there ain’t no law we got to wear mittens — huh — is there?
Mittens, that’s a good one — mittens!
There oughta be a law everybody wear mittens.
Isn’t the main problem that liberals don’t understand human nature, and by extension, economics? Liberals that understand economics are like albino squirrels; rare and strange.
The idea being bandied about this thread of people taking to the streets discounts the 30 million well armed hunters that take to the woods every year.
Most of us are Vets or Civs trained by vets.
Minutemen of history were the hunters, the workers in the country.
And many now live in American cities.
Then again you can skip all the paranoia and move to the South and avoid the Northeast/UpperMidwest/Western coastal regions.
I live in the San Fernando Valley of L.A. I fear what will happen when the welfare checks stop. I used to take the commuter bus 4 miles back and forth to work. But about a year ago, I got scared off when a fight broke out between two guys in the back. The passengers had to yell at the driver to stop the bus. What will public transportation, and the streets, be like when the goodies stop?
If you look at all these leftist run governments, either it is Greece, California or Detroit. They are all led by corrupt and even worse incompetent politicians.
I have seen the same thing with Detroit, a city depended in state and federal handouts because we have corrupt and incompetent politicians who drove out and are strangling any businesses left in the city due to bad policies and crime. yet the people worship them as heroes because He fought for them, while He bled them dry.
Now we have the film incentives, they have done some good, but they alone will not save my home state. What will is competent leadership regardless of what political party they are from. Things are look positive Detroit has mayor Bing, who is trying his best to fix things after the embarrassing fiascoes of Kilpatrick and we have a new business minded governor.
Greece, the best example of the level of graft and corruption that comes with liberal socialism is the 2004 Olympics. The city modernized itself with outside IOC money almost screwed the pooch building the venues and then let 21 of the 23 venues fall to neglect and decay all the while the rest of EU pays 60 million a year in maintenance costs.
This same thing is feared for the 2012 London games and would have happened if the games came to Chicago to enrich Obama’s cronies. Instead Rio now gets the chance to play this game.
Some great comments on this site.
“Them” is us. We’ve been put on notice.
Nothing new there. By the time he was age 28 Abe Lincoln understood the drill:
“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” (From his first recorded public speech):
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm
Them that’s us won’t stand idly by and watch our country self destruct.
“the Orwellian metamorphosizing nomenclature (global warming begat climate change that is now begetting “climate chaos”).”
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There is a rather comical observation in this ever changing nomenclature. Essentially what the climatologists and politicians are attempting to do in these re-brandings is to blame the failure of their current and previous climatic prediction models on … you guessed it.. global warming.
An excellent article explaining well understood truths about the system which has “BENEFITTED” a great manty people for the last few generations.
As Dr. Hanson pointed out the “system” is collapsing…why? the pot is empty and there is simply no more money to spruce up the pay of teachers or any other unionized and powerfull group… the little money that remains is borrowed.
However i must diverge on some points… first of all states in northern europe would probably be considered as ultra-radical-communism by the american public opinion… as i understand it the only way to ensure a decent and limited socially minded state is to enable the creation of wealth by man.
Second i was under the assumption (not being an american) that a vast majority of states in the U.S. were in the same form as california, albeit not as severe.
Thirdly, i would just point out that i am from Portugal so i am very familiar with the malaise just described here. I will just say that the problem is, as Milton Friedman pointed out, People follow their own interests, everyone wants to be safe from unemployment, earn higher wages, get their kids to university etc etc. I would like to know if people in the U.S. are aware of the MASSIVE contribution the U.S. Governement makes to their standard of living (Agricultural Subsidies, Low-Interest Rates and others).
Thank you for this insightfull article.
Essential vdh.
Can we summarize all of this BS and simply say the left wing progressive movement (aka communists)are at war with America and its founding ideals. Can we also say that Americans are going to have to chose sides or we will lose the country. This assumes that more Americans know how to be Americans than the progressive left wing idiots who seem to think that they are owed a free lunch by the “unwashed” Americans who live by the values of the founding fathers. The elasticity has gone, the “free food” is not free so now decide on what kind of An American you are. We don’t need anymore non thinking, non acting wind vane conservatives, we already have to many of those idiots as Republicans in congress.
I know you don’t like me because i stand for fairness and all you stand for is greed
The progressive left has for years demonstrated a knack, a skill, for incited and carrying our violence and at the same time obfuscating and misdirecting attention so as to accuse conservatives and right leaning politicians as the provocateurs. The events should not cause the new congress to pause in the pursuit of its responsibilities as elected representatives.
Why do you still live in California then?
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