Pause and Take a Deep Breath
IV. The Passing of an Age
Apart from the crisis of World War II, we are seeing an historical rise in the size and importance of government—the result not just of a reaction against Wall Street greed, incompetence, and irresponsibility, but also of the growth in a decades-long ideology that insisted that the self was not responsible for his predicament, but that government could step in and right the wrongs done by others.
No health care? It is never because some of us chose to buy a cell phone or a plasma television rather than spend $250 a month for catastrophic private health plans.
College? All of us are owed free tuition, or at least state-subsidized loans. None of us is at fault for not saving for college. Much less are there those among us who do not belong in college (as a professor emeritus of some 21 years at a public university, a key problem, it seemed to me, were thousands of listless students, living at home, subsidized by state and federal loans and stipends, prolonging a four-year protocol into five, six, and, yes, ten years of off and on study, as they sorta, kinda attended class—as if life begins at 28 rather than 21.)
Mortgages? Seven to eight percent of us defaulted. Here are the rules of discourse: no one bought far more house than they needed or could afford. Few forgot to factor in taxes, maintenance, power bills, or insurance as costs additional to the mortgage payment. Almost none, of course, ever took a second or third mortgage to energize credit card purchases. None of us are by nature renters, and simply not up to the burdens of home maintenance, of prompt payment of fees and mortgages, and the other responsibilities of ownership that are different from those of the renter.
But I think these are merely symptoms of a far more worrisome pathology— the eclipse of the tragic view itself. Like it or not, the bedrock of the American experience has always been the self-employed truck driver, the farmer, the small-businessman, the jack-of-trades entrepreneur. That is not to say that the public employee is not noble and all that, only that the American character renown for blunt speech, decisive action, free-thinking, and resolute action, even for eccentricity and stubborness was better nurtured by some professions and less by others. But bury him under high taxes, regulations, politically-correct statutes, litigiousness, intrusive government, and confusing postmodern culture, and we begin to see that profile eroding. Helping friends and hurting enemies is now slandered as Manichean. Assuming that most places abroad in South America, Africa, and Asia are illiberal and worse is ethnocentric, chauvinist, parochial.
I think we are seeing a rising tide of an antithetical profile that says. I work for government and expect protection from government, whose mission to ensure an equality of result that takes no consideration of ignorance, criminal behavior, bad personal decisions, fate, bad luck, sloth, poor health, or intrinsic unfairness, but instead by intellect, capital, and good intentions promises, if given enough power, to overcome all such factors and in infinite wisdom not mererly to level the playing field, but to ensure there are no winners, or losers, just equal particpants who start and end the same.
I deserve, I am owed, I must receive is our mantra. We must become more like the world, rather they like us. War is caused by miscommunications rather than intrinsic evil that is difficult to negotiate away. America is simply one of many nations, exceptional only to the degree that we suffer from unusual race, class, and gender transgressions. The founders and their epigones were mostly preeminent as racist and elites, not geniuses who knew far more than 99% of us today. I think all that more or less sums up the lesson from today schools and colleges, and explains why today the average American when abroad rarely defends his country from the caricatures and attacks of foreigners, or why we read daily of the errant policeman, not of the thousands of deadly miscreants he is asked to monitor, why were are told ad nauseam that health care is broken, ruined, never that hourly millions of dollars are given in emergency room care to those here illegally, or who arrive suffering from gang trauma, or those who chose not to purchase health insurance—and who were given topflight care which earns no thanks when good but often a law suit when not perfect.
V. Do no harm.
There was at least a good chance that the current recession—so far less unemployment and loss of GDP than during the late Carter and early Reagan years—would have, as past recessions, ended in 24 months or so, with moderate expansionary policy by the government and the fed, and without a permanent radical growth in government. As we see from the unexpected stability of the dollar, other economies are far more shaken by the downturn, and were even more reckless in their lending, or dependant solely on oil or reliant only on exporting. Abroad, the losses to Hamas have strengthened the US hand in the Middle East. During the last administration, favorable governments came to power in Italy, Germany, and France. India is close to the United States. China is, well, China. Iraq is quiet.
In short, America does not have to be reinvented here or abroad.







I guess everybody keeps bashing Bush because so many people love hearing it. People just seem to lap it up, don’t they? As you have pointed out dear professor, this approach can’t continue indefinitely. Sooner or later the Obama administration will have to begin making their own foreign policy instead of criticizing Bush’s.
I think you’ve also done a good job of pointing out that there aren’t a lot of options. After everybody is done “listening”, decisions will have to get made. Support Israel or hang her out to dry, interdict the development of an Iranian nuclear bomb or await the inevitible consequences.
It’s been said that people get the government they deserve. Your observations concerning our American culture is spot on. No wonder we got Obama. No wonder so many people worship him. He’s the embodiment of all their selfish desires. “The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves.”
– William Shakespeare (“Julius Caesar”).
It’s too bad that the 47% of Americans who aren’t Obama Kool Aid drinkers have to go down with the Titanic. I suspect that when the ship shinks the few life boats will be filled with Leftist elites.
I have traveled overseas for over 40 years, mostly in Europe, Mexico, and Canada. First with the military and then on my own dollar. I have never hidden my nationality and proudly, some would say stupidly, wear a Navy veteran or American flag ball cap as I did in Russia and the other countries on the Baltic this past summer. I can honestly say that I have never encountered hatred of American; discussion about America, yes. I have been invited into strangers homes in Turkey, Norway and others. So many people I have encounter have relatives living in the US and I usually mix with the common folk. However, I have encountered such hatred all to frequently in my own country; sometimes even from overseas visitors. Go figure.
Thank you.
I think the left really believes Bush=Satan so they’re going to use him for quite some time even if Obama makes a huge blunder. The world may forget Bush but not our left.
People have been indoctrinated into believing that there doesn’t have to be war any more. Life imitates art.
When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!
Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind’s true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!
We are the spirit of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!
I don’t believe I’ll ever understand why the left hates Bush and Palin so much. We don’t know where Obama was born or have a transcript from any school or doctor. We only know Wright Ayres etc. yet people love him. I don’t get it.
The German philospher Kant demonstrated that ‘Reason’ is subjective based on experience. But people still think that everybody can reason with eachother to a good end.
But what if the idealistic rhetoric is truly a sinister smoke screen and Obama and Soros and Clinton like Goldberg’s liberal fascists are no different than Putin, Castro, and the like and just want absolute power, total control and unlimited money forever? Amoral execs seemed to be that way.
I used to be bothered by the loss of the small businessman as the MBAs first penciled out the economy of scale. The drugstore, the Jewelry store, the hardware store, the clothing shop. First they went. Then Main Street.
It’s all about having the gasoline to get to the big box superstore and back. If gasoline goes, it will be tough getting anything home. And all that oil is just off our coasts…
Dr. Hanson, like Zeus in counsel:
Excellent piece. Another wise guy once noted: History is philosophy teaching by example. As a student of history (and therefore human nature), how maddening is this temptation in man to attempt to easily escape reality by pursuing those very actions (e.g. appeasement of bullies abroad; hyprocrital multi-culti social engineering/empowerment of The State at home) that, in fact, most effectively midwife those outcomes we–supposedly–abhor. Then, if you quietly point out that, hey guys, the history books are all kinda filled with these lessons, you’re attacked as an unsophisticated fear monger.
How, (I ask out of craven self-interest, I admit) do you manage to keep from driving the ol’ tractor off a bridge some days.
Your student,
M. Hudak
“He owns the governance of the United States”
A slip of the pen?
The President is the head of the Executive branch. There are two others of equal or greater importance. In our system of checks and balances he does not “own the governance;” he is not king nor dictator, nor is he even the overall leader of the Federal government. He is a highly visible symbol with a lot of real power, but this is not a Fascist dictatorship. Not yet. Not entirely.
“Like it or not, the bedrock of the American experience has always been the self-employed truck driver, the farmer, the small-businessman, the jack-of-trades entrepreneur.”
All noble professions, but no more so than the chemist, the software or electronics engineer, or the head of a multi-national oil corporation. It is not the truck driver or farmer — valuable as those individuals efforts have been to themselves, their families, and the country as a whole — who invented or marketed cell phones, plasma TVs, high speed personal computers, or the Internet. Neither did they create great literature, stellar music, or fine paintings. Nor did they generate the epistemology, ethics, and political philosophy that benefit all of those commercial professions in ways that vanishingly few of them are even acquainted with.
There is nothing inherently more noble about pursuing work that is less intellectual, despite the presence of so many odious intellectuals, nor that of the many decent people who are less so.
The bedrock of the American experience is individual innovation driven by reason, science, and its commercialization and the creation and enjoyment of all those things by anyone who is a productive person.
TIMES HAVE CHANGED: AS HAVE OUR VALUES
It is not recession. It is not Euro socialism. It is about our degenerating American vlaues.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/can-america-recover.html
Jeff,
Perhaps you should read October Sky. The ordinary miners and an ordinary, but extrardinary, teacher supported these rocket-building kids and told them to fly as high as they could.
So, the conclusion lurks here that the fault, dear Americans, lies not in our politicians but in ourselves.
If someone could crack the code on how we who did NOT think ourselves entitled might exert a positive influence on those who do — those Americans, some imprecise millions of them who grew up as OTHER people’s children, in schools and churches and ballparks other than ours — if someone could just figure out how to get through to them, I think we’d owe that person a hefty state pension for the rest of his or her life.
Meanwhile, although I appreciate Jeff Perren’s point at #7, I ultimately disagree with it. No offense is meant here, but it sounds like something I might have said when I was in my 20s, and did not yet realize how much more important simple, disciplined, honest, organized living is, to both a society and an economy, than anything else.
The remarkably effective market economy that makes it profitable to develop cell phones and plasma TVs is a product not of science or the few, but of the self-discipline and goodwill of many. Every society has intelligent scientists and impressive artists, but only the societies that prize the homely ethic of Joe the truck-driver or Jane the homemaker-rancher-entrepreneur produce publicly-transformative invention and economic dynamism.
We are able to support science and art so well because so many of our people take it as a principle that they should live by their own hard work, not by seeking “redistribution” from their neighbors. The power of a society in which neither envy nor secretiveness rules us, and neighbors need not fear the depredations of each other — accelerated by an intrusive state — is quite startling, by historical standards.
Neither science nor art can bring us to this condition. They are guides to themselves, not to life. Living to take care of your own, and show voluntary compassion to your neighors, is a moral ethic that no other discipline can guide us to. Without it, man is a wholly different animal. He uses science in the service of war and power, not the people’s convenience and welfare. And his art becomes conformist and repetitive.
VDH:
Your picture re American cultural dissolution is a masterpiece. Unfortunately, the reality is more a tragicomedy than a movie. Either way, we’ve been watching this story play out over the last four decades. We might be nearing the end, literally, so the comedic elements no longer seem funny.
People who study the causes of our decline rightfully point to the enervating influence Hollywood and our educational system have had on our culture. The movie you reference in the title could not be made in today’s Hollywood, and if it was, two generations of Americans would fail to understand what it was about. The shift away from relying on industry, manufacture, agriculture etc. to make a living has had a significant affect on our economy. It has had an even more profound affect on our culture. What…me work those jobs? You’re kiddin’ right? I thought that’s why we let all those Mexicans into this country. Furthermore, I do slum it one week a year, volunteering to work with those menial laborer types just so I can impress my friends. And, BTW, we have our own go-against-the-grain cultural heroes too. Right here on our posters.
In philosophical terms: I breathe… therefore I am. Now where’s my handout? Thus sayeth your basic culturally illiterate oxygen thief.
“Do no harm.” Traditionally first, but I suspect you wanted to end on a positive note. It may be too late for that. Much harm has already been done, and more follows. We’re in harvest season now, and we reap what we’ve sown. That’s my take on the tragic dimension of what your writings portray.
You and your colleagues should publish a collection of essays on American culture. Something like a “notes on the passing of a scene” primer. Dedicate it to your readers and title it “The Education of a Malcontent” — not that your writings are the source of our discontent, merely that they educate us to understand it better.
Jeff Perren,
I don’t think the good Dr. needs your elaboration of his points. We all got it, as he intended.
but this is not a Fascist dictatorship. Not yet. Not entirely…that’s what the frog must gasp, as the water approaches the boiling point.
Once today’s budget struggle in Sacramento collapses — and it will — California will be completely, with a few pockets of resistance, in Democrat hands. What is coming for the USA is now happening here. Maybe move to Alaska?
Jeff Perren:
“The bedrock of the American experience is individual innovation driven by reason, science, and its commercialization…”
I think innovation, however it’s driven, comes from people who work hard, take pride in what they do, and have the drive themselves to do things better, faster and more profitably. That attitude and drive used to be epitomized in this country by farmers who tamed the wilderness, workers who built our infrastructure, etc., the producers of basic goods and services who allowed others to go on to the achievements you enumerate. Software engineers didn’t appear de novo at this country’s birth. Furthermore, they and other white collar innovators rely on a substratum of worker bees to purchase their products, or their efforts would be worthless.
I don’t interpret VDH’s writings as being unduly ennobling of farmers or other laborers. He has worked in both worlds — grape farmer and university professor — and understands the contributions of each. IMO, that gives him a unique perspective.
Jeff Perren:
The time delay makes my last post look like piling on. I’d withdraw it if I could. The point’s been made.
Note the title of this blog site, “Works and Days”. Literate farmers who provide social commentary are not new.
“a far more worrisome pathology—the eclipse of the tragic view itself.”
Are conservatives the protagonist in the midst of a Sophoclean struggle over how to perpetuate our prosperity? Conservative responsibility against the baby-boomer’s Oedipal degeneracy?
Have the forces of our prosperity produced a sort of anti-Darwinian formula of survival of the unfit?
How is it that as we shepherd the return of democratic power in the lands of Mesopotamia, a new stigma of third-world like corruption and profligacy appears each day on our own body politic?
A predatory political class has violated our decency, used it against us. Our historic first Islamic apostate president said it himself: Sing quiet praise while they slumber in complacency, then spread their wealth to the reckless, the subversive, and the alien.
Tragedy indeed. But now the premise of tragedy will turn on them. As VDH wrote before, their hubris will call forth their own nemesis. It is tragedy only to whom it afflicts.
In want of his own entitlements, the empty suit will fill with fashionably licentious infidelity, his divided loyalties and multiple cults of personality consumed in shame. Appeasement will ignite the horrors of violent aggression upon us, causing us to arise and strengthen America’s stature in the world. Economic chaos will lay waste the laboratory of social engineering and bury in its debris the myth of command and control of markets. Their challenge of our Western heritage will be only their own tragedy thrust upon themselves.
The Democrats own the governance of the country. And BHO is the leader of the Democratic Party. I fully expect show trials of Bush etc. to attempt to distract the public from the coming failures of the Administration. And the “mea culpa” mantra will not only embolden our enemies, but will cause our friends to join the anti-American bandwagon. As an example, look how BHO has dumped on Las Vegas, which voted so overwhelmingly for him so as to provide more than the margin of his victory in Nevada.
@Al Reasin #2: We gotta be doing something right. I have on more than one occasion encountered Vietnamese born after the war.
They have all been eager and pleased to gossip with an American who was in it. And they have all expressed a desire for vets to visit VN now.
Somebody left a pretty favorable impression over there and I do not think it was Jane Fonda or anybody associated with that portion of America.
I recall that Bush’s first year was a hyper-ABC politics; Anything But Clinton. Lot’s of new people start off by blaming everything on the predecessor.
“Too often in the recent past, our government has acted reflexively before considering available facts and evidence or hearing the perspectives of others.” And then she promised a policy “neither impulsive nor ideological.”
Gee, if that’s the case, why wasn’t Obama and company listening to the American public when this “stimulus” bill was being pushed down our throats?
I think the old prosecutor in the OJ Simpson murder trial, once remarked, ” Remember what people actually do…not what they say.”
This is one of the better articles I have read here on PJM. :D
@Charles Gordon:
I was reading your post while listening to this song. It was quite fitting.
(And depressing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHL7w7nHSVQ
Vangelis – El Greco, Movement I
The constant need to denigrate President Bush is precisely because weak minds need a caricature upon which to project their narcissism.
You can’t “save” the world as a superhero, with superpowers, to do a super-duper job of “being noble”…unless their is a demonized super-villain to overcome. This childlike fantasy is the inner movie playing in every head of every useful idiot in this country. They see themselves as the guardians of purity, nuanced supercitizens of the world, who merely reside in America as a happenstance of birth, but truly are more “world citizens” and therefore quite by necessity, must apologize for the very humiliating co-existence with the plebians who share this land of ours.
These arrogant quislings are immune to the stench of their own hypocrisy. This is a amalgam of fools who stand for nothing, only against. They are incapable of producing anything other than debt and lawsuits.
Everything to these undisciplined, unsacrificing, ungrateful, unmotivated, is simply another chance to “game the system, blame ths system, flame the system”.
First you try to find a way to be a “victim”. Then you try to find a way to make ths “government” pay you, for your victimhood. And in order to keep up the charade, you constantly berate the “man” for not giving you what you want.
Leftists have been berating this country for decades. We simply are not good enough, not smart enough, not noble enough, not nuanced enough, not hip enough to suit their tastes. They have been tearing this country down from the inside with the constant drip, drip, drip of their venom…sent out in their “message” thousands of times each day. Often not just for our consumption here at home, but for the world to lap up in total immersion one droplet at a time.
It is so reflexive for them to do this, even when they finally masqueraded their way to power, they can’t stop themselves. All venom, all the time. If you aren’t trashing the country, you aren’t nuanced after all, you see.
As for what they will do, now that they have donned the cape of superhero, to lift the tides, then recede them…to make the lame walk, the blind see, to “cure” the world…to burst onto the scene and “be the change we all have been waiting for”…has to start with apologizing for the villains “hurting” the poor villagers in the last episode of their fantasy.
They now will take money from the “villains” and put it in the pockets of the villagers. Of course, while they are pilfering through the pockets of the guy who did nothing more than build himself up by his bootstraps…they must demonize him. Can’t have the poor villagers believing that the superheroes are merely bullies, liars, traitors and crooks.
The “stimulus” package is not about stimulating the economy. It certainly is not about stimulating jobs. It is not about stimulating patriotism. Nor is it about stimulating bi-partisanship….a cruel joke that some simple and trusting rubes bought into lock, stock and barrel simply by the smooth words and calm delivery of that empty shell of a promise was “offered”…for the cameras.
No, the stimulation of the stimulus package was for the chirping little baby birds who need to be fed from the government trough. We are in the business of making more and more and more dependent, little, helpless, needy, subjects to put on the dole and roll of our ever swelling government bureacracy. And don’t worry about how to pay for it…we simply have to increase the drip, drip, drip of the venom…and blame “them”. It’s “their” money we are taking…until we bleed “them” dry.
Then it will be just “us”…all working for the government, in the government, as the government. Won’t it be wonderful….comrades?
their is a demonized= there is a demonized
a amalgam= an amalgam
blame ths system=blame the system
ths “government”= the “government”
of a promise was offered= of a promise that was offered
(Sorry, no edit button after the fact and too eager to push “submit” before self-editing.)
Al Reasin, comment #2 – Good on ‘ya! My sentiments exactly.
I too travel abroad a great deal and am not shy to boast of our home digs either. I chuckle when reading comments such as one recently by David S: ‘I feel that Bush’s rhetoric has been destructive of our moral standing in the world’.
Apparently the Obama administration is going to, ‘improve the U.S. moral standing’
What an uninformed, malcontent boob.
David, if you’d actually stepped outside the confines/ sanctuary of the U.S. you would see firsthand the invalid ignorance you spew on a regular basis.
Morality, huh? Bush has done more for Africa than any President. Though IMO I feel we should do less. Africa’s only learned to look more pathetic and have their hand out for more in the process.
Yet, Obama’s brother lives in a shack. Obama, the moral fiber of the White House today, wasn’t aware of his Auntie’s illegal status in the U.S. You know, the same Aunt he spoke so highly of in his book yet didn’t know where she lived until recently. Morality.
Instead of cutting and pasting other people’s takes and decry ‘the world hates the U.S.m the country hates conservatism’ ad nauseum – in which YOU haven’t experienced, but project. Explore.
St. Augustine had famously written, ‘The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.’
Wise words..
It is telling, is it not, that we no longer tell the story of the Little Red Hen to our children?
Dr. Hansen, As I write this the unemployment rate in Spain is officially 14% and unofficially up to about 20%. This Eurabian Socialist state has had unemployment figures like this for the past 15 years, and because the voters love their entitlements, has been unable to lower taxes or change labor laws which have put the labor unions in charge of the economy. Barack Obama and his cronies are laying the groundwork for a similar situation in America and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to stop them, nothing.
ken bezig, umm, your also the one that wrote Dr Hansen, instead of Dr Hanson, so I expect that you also imagined the 20 % for Spain unemployment rate !!! this can’t be true as our countries are paying some unemployment insurance rents, therefore the exact ratio is in account !!! umm, money doesn’ come from the creator of the reserves of America !!!
“Germany won’t really participate fully in the martial sense in the NATO effort in Afghanistan due to George Bush?”
so far I read from Germany in Afghanistan the soldiers were going to be “besaufen” (drunk) of too much beer allotation there !
also I expect that Frau Merkel’s industry friends are making business there, umm, why not selling some mercedes to the local drug mafiosi and war lords ?
Thanks to all for the insightful comments to our host’s insightful post. Obviously we need to act pretty rapidly, if we intend to right the ship of state.
My questions to you are: If we should manage to oust our masters and change the course of our republic, what do we do with the hundred million parasites?
Can we abide their retiring at full pension on our dime? Can we we abide their continued exploitation of our system?
Just askin’
I think I’ve figured out that capitalism going global can’t survive, when faced with opposing economic systems.
It seems to either be lured by greed or repelled by sharing.
We know the economic systems that benefit from those values.
“political systems”
An absolutely brilliant article. This should be must-reading for every American.
Good post, but I have to quarrel with a couple of things. First, in IV, Dr. Hanson forgets the glorious years of the Great Society and the War On Poverty when he says we’re seeing the greatest growth in government since WWII. We can argue if Porkulus is worse than that, but we’ve certainly been here before.
Second, in I (2), he gives Hillary a lot of credit for a “diplomatic brilliance” her track record doesn’t contain.
She is trashing Condi for the same reason Obambi trashes Dubya: neither has any accomplishment or experience to put up against what they have done, rightly or wrongly.
The demonization of Bush substitutes for the demonization of enemies who genuinely deserve it (jihadis, dictators, military aggressors, mass murderers). Faced with a dangerous world where such people create mass misery, and, wedded to a philosophy that “we” have the power to change the world, the demonizers of Bush attack the target that they can criticize in safety. Palin’s “unfeminist” feminism evoked hatred; Jihadis honor killings and elimination of women’s right to work and show their hair evoke a recognition of cultural autonomy. Russia’s KGB murders critical journalists at will and Moscow feeds Iran’s military and nuclear desires but the President offers a hand in friendship while warning of consequences for Congressmen who critique his economic proposals. Our Bush bashers are angry at a dangerous world but not angry enough to forget that Putin and the Mullahs will kill their critics; Bush ignored them.
Ever get the feeling that Hanson is a one trick pony
VDH:
“All of us are owed free tuition, or at least state-subsidized loans. None of us is at fault for not saving for college. Much less are there those among us who do not belong in college (as a professor emeritus of some 21 years at a public university, a key problem, it seemed to me, were thousands of listless students, living at home, subsidized by state and federal loans and stipends, prolonging a four-year protocol into five, six, and, yes, ten years of off and on study, as they sorta, kinda attended class—as if life begins at 28 rather than 21.)”
That’s breaking your own rice bowl, thanks for that.
If we stopped subsidizing college tuitions for essentially economically useless majors, then a lot of arts and “soft” sciences faculty will be inflating tires for Robert Reich.
This would be a Good Thing.
But you will have made no friends in the Faculty Lounge.
I have lived in 12 countries, 4 more than once + visited and have done business in many more. My experiences mirror those of Al Reasin.
I have always thought that one of our greatest competitive advantages was the relatively minor role govt. played in the economy and life in general in comparison with most other countries. Obviously, this difference is rapidly dissapearing.
If we do not have a repetition of a one term Carter followed by a Reagan, much of the current light speed trend may not be reversible.
Marie Claude, having just run a company in Spain for 7 years, I do not understand how you can truly doubt Ken Besig’s estimate of a true 20% unemployment rate in Spain. Do you honestly believe that the Zapatero govt. is being honest on their official figure when they lie about so many other things? Visit a Corte Ingles which a year ago was brimming with people and now is deserted – as is mine in Santander – and explain how 14% GELLS.
In my experience, not one in twenty knows dick about history. Even recent history. What are they all doing in them there uny-versities? 2010 a sequel to 1984? Big Brother MKII. A kinder, gentler Airstrip One.
Kudos to Dr Hanson. He has proven himself to be one of our leading champions of Classical Liberalism, individual liberty, America’s founding principles, and just plain common sense.
Bravo Sir!
Marie Claude, if you’re going to fault someone for their grammatical workings here, then look more within. It’s ‘you’RE’ not ‘your’ in your dig at Ken. Your mistake is far more glaring than Ken Besig’s.
“Dr. Hansen, As I write this the unemployment rate in Spain is officially 14% and unofficially up to about 20%.”
Actually, for most of the past ten years it has been coming down, as recently as 2007, Spanish unemployment was 8% but the bursting of a ridiculous speculative construction boom together with the well-documented problems in the automotive sector has laid of millions of workers over the past 18 months.
It’s not as if Europe is all bad for unemployment though, several Euro countries still have unemployment rates below 5% even in these tough times and 2009 might well see the USA with a higher unemployment rate than the EU for the first time in a while.
All noble professions, but no more so than the chemist, the software or electronics engineer, or the head of a multi-national oil corporation. It is not the truck driver or farmer — valuable as those individuals efforts have been to themselves, their families, and the country as a whole — who invented or marketed cell phones, plasma TVs, high speed personal computers, or the Internet. Neither did they create great literature, stellar music, or fine paintings. Nor did they generate the epistemology, ethics, and political philosophy that benefit all of those commercial professions in ways that vanishingly few of them are even acquainted with.
There is nothing inherently more noble about pursuing work that is less intellectual, despite the presence of so many odious intellectuals, nor that of the many decent people who are less so.
The bedrock of the American experience is individual innovation driven by reason, science, and its commercialization and the creation and enjoyment of all those things by anyone who is a productive person.
Jeff, this is elitist poppycock. I take that back: Actually is is “pseudo-elitists, middle class technologist” poppycock.
No “great” work of art, great philosophy (which is what I take you to be mean by “great epistemology”), technology or scientific theory is worth the immiseration, degradation and destruction of a People. Certainly not ouri> people. No symphony ever written is worth the live of one innocent child. Nations and peoples produce these things and and not the other way around. They are the residue and markings on the trail of mankind’s ascent, they are not the source of mankind’s spiritual and physical rise for darkness, or are they the point of it. To say otherwise is to commit a modern form of idolatry. You put the cart before the horse.
The actual spirit and nature of her people are the true source of America’s greatness: Her common people. It is not science and technology that has enabled these gifts to bloom so richly. Rather, it the notions of the liberty of the individual and their embodiment in American institutions which allowed us to become what we have become. This is a profound culmination of the Judeo-christian tradition embodied in political life, and it, not technology, is perhaps our greates contribution to bistory. Yes, we have created wonderful technology and science, but only because that here science could be practiced relatively free of political cant and pressure, and the practitioners could enjoy the fruits of their labors.
Elevating Science and technology anyway above this in mind, principle or history has great dangers to liberty, morality, mind and spirit. All one need do to see this danger is to witness how science has been corrupted by the AGW crowd. Here one see “science” and some of her practitioners are actually working toward the destruction of America. The USSR was notorious for using science as a tool of oppression. Science is merely an human institution and practice and it is clearly morally neutral. This applies as well to technology. The Nazis were fabulous technologists.
Freedom (or even “greatness”) is not to be found in “invented or marketed cell phones, plasma TVs, high speed personal computers,”; these are merely products of freedoms, perhaps even mere epiphenomena, and in some ways trivial ones when compared to others. It is curious–and ironic–that you cite the creation of these gadgets as a core attribute of the bedrock of America. It could be argued that our current obsession with electric trinkets is part of the problem we find ourselves in. Our descendants may well look back at our obsessions with ipods and the like with the deepest bitterness. They may feel that our attentions were better given to more meaningful challenges, namely avoiding willfully casting away their heritage, to mention one. Perhaps Joe the plumber did behaved more intelligently that Bill Gates, all things considered. He certainly was asking a better question.
There are much deeper and more meaningful aspect to human culture than (electronic) technology. For example, for all of our science and technology, we have not come anywhere close in our music the accomplishments of the great age of tonal, common practice musical composition. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms managed quite well with mere paper and quill. The rise of high technology in our times has been accompanied by a decline culture, and in the case of political culture this is striking indeed. Technology advances in history almost like a steady torrent. Human culture itself does not, it ebbs and flow like a tide.
This elitism of yours has a particularly late 20th century flavor. It smacks of the sorts of things that one hears out of middle level technologists desperate to imagine that their work has some sort of deep nobility or creativity that is on a par with the greatest creative and intellectual works of the past. But is is mostly comically not true. They are little more than morriss code operators.
Computer programmers are merely giving calculating machines codes to operate. The vast majority of tasks computers are programmed to are just digital representations of the most mundane and prosaic human tasks. The intellectual, creative and cultural accomplishment of computer technologists are rather dim when compared to the great advances of the past. The “computer revolution” pales before the more profound revolutions that shape human experience and being: The revolution of creation of Agriculture, the revolution of the creation of Language or Mathematics, The revolution of Religion, particularly the Judeo-Christian tradition, and. most germane here, the America political revolution all quite eclipse the work of post war geeks. That we think otherwise is just a mark of our vanity and self absorption.
The root of what we are is the notion that the common man can rule himself,that is our bedrock. So Hanson is quite right, in his assertions about those “non-intellectuals” that you seem to think are so beneath you. The gas station owner is no less a person than the Phd working for google, nor is the ipod designer undertaking something more noble than the the farmer. Quite the opposite in fact.
All noble professions, but no more so than the chemist, the software or electronics engineer, or the head of a multi-national oil corporation. It is not the truck driver or farmer — valuable as those individuals efforts have been to themselves, their families, and the country as a whole — who invented or marketed cell phones, plasma TVs, high speed personal computers, or the Internet. Neither did they create great literature, stellar music, or fine paintings. Nor did they generate the epistemology, ethics, and political philosophy that benefit all of those commercial professions in ways that vanishingly few of them are even acquainted with.
There is nothing inherently more noble about pursuing work that is less intellectual, despite the presence of so many odious intellectuals, nor that of the many decent people who are less so.
The bedrock of the American experience is individual innovation driven by reason, science, and its commercialization and the creation and enjoyment of all those things by anyone who is a productive person.
Jeff, this is elitist poppycock. I take that back: Actually is is “pseudo-elitists, middle class technologist” poppycock.
No “great” work of art, great philosophy (which is what I take you to be mean by “great epistemology”), technology or scientific theory is worth the immiseration, degradation and destruction of a People. Certainly not our people. No symphony ever written is worth the live of one innocent child. Nations and peoples produce these things and and not the other way around. They are the residue and markings on the trail of mankind’s ascent, they are not the source of mankind’s spiritual and physical rise for darkness, or are they the point of it. To say otherwise is to commit a modern form of idolatry. You put the cart before the horse.
The actual spirit and nature of her people are the true source of America’s greatness: Her common people. It is not science and technology that has enabled these gifts to bloom so richly. Rather, it the notions of the liberty of the individual and their embodiment in American institutions which allowed us to become what we have become. This is a profound culmination of the Judeo-christian tradition embodied in political life, and it, not technology, is perhaps our greates contribution to bistory. Yes, we have created wonderful technology and science, but only because that here science could be practiced relatively free of political cant and pressure, and the practitioners could enjoy the fruits of their labors.
Elevating Science and technology anyway above this in mind, principle or history has great dangers to liberty, morality, mind and spirit. All one need do to see this danger is to witness how science has been corrupted by the AGW crowd. Here one see “science” and some of her practitioners are actually working toward the destruction of America. The USSR was notorious for using science as a tool of oppression. Science is merely an human institution and practice and it is clearly morally neutral. This applies as well to technology. The Nazis were fabulous technologists.
Freedom (or even “greatness”) is not to be found in “invented or marketed cell phones, plasma TVs, high speed personal computers,”; these are merely products of freedoms, perhaps even mere epiphenomena, and in some ways trivial ones when compared to others. It is curious–and ironic–that you cite the creation of these gadgets as a core attribute of the bedrock of America. It could be argued that our current obsession with electric trinkets is part of the problem we find ourselves in. Our descendants may well look back at our obsessions with ipods and the like with the deepest bitterness. They may feel that our attentions were better given to more meaningful challenges, namely avoiding willfully casting away their heritage, to mention one. Perhaps Joe the plumber did behaved more intelligently that Bill Gates, all things considered. He certainly was asking a better question.
There are much deeper and more meaningful aspect to human culture than (electronic) technology. For example, for all of our science and technology, we have not come anywhere close in our music the accomplishments of the great age of tonal, common practice musical composition. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms managed quite well with mere paper and quill. The rise of high technology in our times has been accompanied by a decline culture, and in the case of political culture this is striking indeed. Technology advances in history almost like a steady torrent. Human culture itself does not, it ebbs and flow like a tide.
This elitism of yours has a particularly late 20th century flavor. It smacks of the sorts of things that one hears out of middle level technologists desperate to imagine that their work has some sort of deep nobility or creativity that is on a par with the greatest creative and intellectual works of the past. But is is mostly comically not true. They are little more than morriss code operators.
Computer programmers are merely giving calculating machines codes to operate. The vast majority of tasks computers are programmed to are just digital representations of the most mundane and prosaic human tasks. The intellectual, creative and cultural accomplishment of computer technologists are rather dim when compared to the great advances of the past. The “computer revolution” pales before the more profound revolutions that shape human experience and being: The revolution of creation of Agriculture, the revolution of the creation of Language or Mathematics, The revolution of Religion, particularly the Judeo-Christian tradition, and. most germane here, the America political revolution all quite eclipse the work of post war geeks. That we think otherwise is just a mark of our vanity and self absorption.
The root of what we are is the notion that the common man can rule himself,that is our bedrock. So Hanson is quite right, in his assertions about those “non-intellectuals” that you seem to think are so beneath you. The gas station owner is no less a person than the Phd working for google, nor is the ipod designer undertaking something more noble than the the farmer. Quite the opposite in fact.
Funny, I got an e-mail today from an old French colleague. There was an attachment which consisted of a video game where you can throw shoes at President Bush, as he bobs and weaves across your computer screen.
The heading of his e-mail was “This is hillarious”. Well, maybe for some people.
Do you think they’ll still be sending this stuff around three years from now?
It has always been the Dems. policy to always bash Pres. Bush at every opportunity and every turn. Educated voters know that the Democratic control Congress allowed this country to slide into Socialism. They have what they wanted and the future for America will be worse off.
Steve,
Marie Claude, having just run a company in Spain for 7 years, I do not understand how you can truly doubt Ken Besig’s estimate of a true 20% unemployment rate in Spain. Do you honestly believe that the Zapatero govt. is being honest on their official figure when they lie about so many other things? Visit a Corte Ingles which a year ago was brimming with people and now is deserted – as is mine in Santander – and explain how 14% GELLS.
the unemployment rate in Spain has most likely raised of 20% in the late months, but that doesn’t make the unemployment rate of 20 % that would be equivalent to Romania
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=32&storycode=3131842&c=2
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2008/12/02/01011-20081202FILWWW00360-le-taux-de-chomage-s-envole-en-espagne.php
Johnny55 is right
41. paul_unalaska:
Marie Claude, if you’re going to fault someone for their grammatical workings here, then look more within. It’s ‘you’RE’ not ‘your’ in your dig at Ken. Your mistake is far more glaring than Ken Besig’s.
this has nothing to do with my comment, “your” is a familiar construction that I found on many american blogs
Secretary Clinton is not a statesman, she is a vindictive female, the most dangerous creature on Earth.
The elites on both sides sold us out. Republicans waited for nearly eight years before they acted like Republicans and defeated the first bailout attempt (in the House), an unconvincing act of their former principles.
The two most worrisome governments in the world: Pakistan’s and ours.
Tragedy is in the cards. The sun will still shine. The moon saw Ceasar conquer Gaul; it will see us conquer ourselves.
“Funny, I got an e-mail today from an old French colleague. There was an attachment which consisted of a video game where you can throw shoes at President Bush, as he bobs and weaves across your computer screen.
The heading of his e-mail was “This is hillarious”. Well, maybe for some people.”
lol, come on, just because you liked Bush, doesn’t mean you have to have a sense of humour bypass.
For now it’s “Bush did it”, but soon I’m affraid it will be the “neocons” and then the “right-wing conspiracy” and anyone registered as “Repbublican”. The left needs its scapegoats.
47. Marie Claude:
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Steve,
Marie Claude, having just run a company in Spain for 7 years, I do not understand how you can truly doubt Ken Besig’s estimate of a true 20% unemployment rate in Spain. Do you honestly believe that the Zapatero govt. is being honest on their official figure when they lie about so many other things? Visit a Corte Ingles which a year ago was brimming with people and now is deserted – as is mine in Santander – and explain how 14% GELLS.
the unemployment rate in Spain has most likely raised of 20% in the late months, but that doesn’t make the unemployment rate of 20 % that would be equivalent to Romania
http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=32&storycode=3131842&c=2
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2008/12/02/01011-20081202FILWWW00360-le-taux-de-chomage-s-envole-en-espagne.php
Johnny55 is right
Feb 16, 2009 – 8:54 am
48. Marie Claude:
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41. paul_unalaska:
Marie Claude, if you’re going to fault someone for their grammatical workings here, then look more within. It’s ‘you’RE’ not ‘your’ in your dig at Ken. Your mistake is far more glaring than Ken Besig’s.
this has nothing to do with my comment, “your” is a familiar construction that I found on many american blogs
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#23 cfbleachers writes . . . “The constant need to denigrate (OBAMA) is precisely because weak minds need a caricature upon which to project their narcissism . . . These arrogant quislings are immune to the stench of their own hypocrisy.”
cf had “Bush” where I put in OBAMA.
Now, honestly, do we not see this? This endless back and forth? LIberals constantly denigrating Bush. Conservative constantly denigrating Obama. THIS is our problem, America. Everybody is saying exactly the same thing about the other side, because each side is guilty. Well, maybe it’s time we tried we try somethign different . . . stop trying to convince the world how stupid your enemy is and start trying to show the world how effective you are.
This isn’t setting the bar very high, folks. But until we have reached this relatively simple level of evolution, we are doomed to a hell of listening to an endless loop of Glenn Beck and Susan Estrich. Is that what you want?
…the American character renown for blunt speech, decisive action, free-thinking, and resolute action, even for eccentricity and stubborness was better nurtured by some professions and less by others. But bury him under high taxes, regulations, politically-correct statutes, litigiousness, intrusive government, and confusing postmodern culture, and we begin to see that profile eroding.
This is the worry I have as well. The brightest ray of hope is the reaction to the stimulus/scamulus/porkulus pile. Tens of millions of voters seem to have voted for Obama in a stupor. The three-ring-circus start of his administration seems to have shaken at least a few of them awake. For me, the big question is whether the combination of boomers dying and younger voters waking up will happen fast enough to salvage something of our culture. There’s no guarantee it will, but also no guarantee it won’t.
The one thing that must happen for any return to the “American character of renown” is for the regular folks to take back the government from the professional con men who have gotten ensconced there. We’ve become addicted to moral posturing through government, and the con artists have exploited that failing on our part. Those of us who think we remember the good culture need to swear off this addiction which requires a large government. Instead of demanding grandeur from government, we need to demand humility and a humble size.
Obama, with his soaring rhetoric and wax wings may hopefully remind people government can never deliver grandeur.
One only has to look South to study Hugo Chavez in Venezula as the New Century of Socialism unfolds. Chavez was accused of using government funds to help his campaign. They would never do that here with stimulus money?
Petric: Oh come on now, the GOP never perpetrated anything loosely like this on the American people.
Bush actually attempted “bipartisanship” in a practical attempt to placate the democrats so has to implement the WOT. Had he not, who knows what would have happened.
The Dems took his fig leafs and then stabbed him in the back, just like they did with Reagan. The GOP shold have stood with him; maybe he would not have had to give up what he did if they had. They should have had the courage and the creativity to stand up to the MSM. However, there are innumerable struggles that the GOP has made to stand up for what is right. It is unfair to focus in just their failure
And please, spare me the “culture of corruption” nonsense–GOP corruption is minuscule compared to Dem corruption.
The whole nation is to blame for not standing up to the MSM and the Democrats all along the line. Take an example: We all let the show trails like Libby Scooter’s to go unchallenged at the ballot box and in the forum of public opinion. These attacks on the very physical freedoms of the GOP politicians and their associates take their toll. Things like were patently and purely political attacks on the face of them. Is there any wonder that the Democrats and the MSM can feel so emboldened when they try attacks like this and are not they are not called on themb by the nation at large?
The real failure of the GOP is that about a third of them do not understand what the Democrats are really up to. They do not understand just how much they hate this country and want to destroy it. They do not understand how evil they are, they think that they are just misguided. Maybe they will wake up now.
Maybe those idiotic conservative purist would sat out the last election learned something too. Maybe not.
So the failures of the GOP are ones of courage, gullibility and loyalty, but if anyone of us had the incredible suppressionand attack apparatus of the Democrats focused on us, then we all would most likely fold too. Most of us b!tched and moaned about every little thing during Bush’s years. I know I did. Well, look what we got for it. Do rank and file conservatives ever do much but complain, get on the web and vote (ok, some get involved with campaigns, but day to day today do we do much?). Most of us have been so cowed or frustrated that we do not express our opinions in public).
Let us stop projecting our own blame on others–it is particularly absurd to claim that the GOP has any major responsibility in turning America onto a socialist tyranny. This is just inverting the truth. We all know the Dems are the chief actors and architects in this, and have been working frantically at it for generations, but we all share the blame.
What we all must do is act now at whatever level we can and turn this around. National strikes, millions marching on DC and the state capitals? I do not kow what it takes, but we only have a couple of years to stop this. We must stop being inhibited in our daily lives and go for broke. The Republic is at stake.
Obama himself will not be moved. We have to put pressure on the Democrats at all levels and expose every depredation to whomever is around us.
May God have mercy on us a help us restore the Republic before it passes into history.
one of your own: this is specious nonsense. Democrats attack Bush as a rhetorical and polemic strategy (and as an aspect of their collective immaturity and narcissism), there attacks have little to do with the reality of the situation. This is a SOP for the Left.
1. Throw out straw men, inversions of the truth, red herrings and/or complete lies while avoiding the real issues.
2. Associate these with some political adversary or their supporters
3. Attack those people as ruthlessly as possilbe and never allow a rational dialog.
4. Attack anyone that tries to defend those people or their idea (or even asks pointed questions).
5. Move the goal posts, change the topic and/or reach conclusions that logically do not follow and never let enyone call you on it, if they try attack them persoanlly
Wash and repeat as needed. (you are doing a version of the same sophistry right here in this thread.)
This they always do. This Conservatives rarely do. The Left has proven itself incapable of having a reasonable, rational debate or discussion with even those who ask reasonable questions, let alone their political opponents. They have absolutely murderous contempt for anyone that is a not a true believer in their Marxist creed.
Conservative are not “attacking Obama” illegitimately, they are perfectly reasonable, correct, sane and intelligent in this. It is the correct and dutiful thing to do.
How dare you try to attempt to make a case for moral equivalency here. Obama and the democrats are openly attacking all the is good in decent in our civilization. It is the patience and civility of everyone else that has allowed the Democrats to get us to this point now. Communist amd Socialists always exploit the decency of other people to work their evil. THat is what evil people do. That is how eveil works its was through much of the world.
No Hurley, I get the felling that you are, literally. (besides you being a wholly moral, and eveil little troll, that is).
Why don’t you scoot along and clean some bed pans?
There’s no getting around it. Barack Obama is out to destroy America, and everything good it stands for.
If we can’t vote him out (at least for four years, or have the votes in Congress to impeach him out)maybe we can smoke him out.
Here’s the first step in a three pronged plan.
First, his administrationis mainly relying on four TV shows to fuel their anti-American agenda.
Saturday Night Live. The View. David Letterman. And Oprah. Write to their advertisers. And don’t buy anything advertised on those shows.
This is the kind of American action plan capable of putting Barack’s programs designed to undermine everything good and decent about America.
This is where we start to take back America. This sure as shooting is our Guadalcanal.
Lock and load.
Team Obama (T.O.) is revealing thier orientation (Boyd Cyle-OODA) to entities opposed to US influence and to opportunistic elements seeking advantage from or at the expense of the US and our allies.
It will become much easier for those entities to position the US into a psychological/moral failure mode because of the predictability afforded by this orientation. Worse, these entities will now have an easier ability to help shape that orientation.
We can’t really predict the extent of the damage. Not all the moves have been played. But it is difficult to believe that such an approach will lead to substantive gains on our side, when the malevolent entities exist to punish their enemies in pursuit of power.
I would like to believe that all of this T.O. drive to blame predecessors is an orchestrated effort to pull the wool over the eyes of our enemies, and hence shape their orientation. Unfortunately, nothing in the TO current MO, except the use of time, indicates this is so. :(
“So the world can now expect a break with the awful past, and the start of some brilliant new multilateral approach? Instead, I think, it will quickly assume that the healer Barack Obama, as the new messiah, will vote “Present!” on many of the crises to come, and would no more wish to play the role of global enforcer than he would have impolitely walked out of one of Rev. Wright’s hate-filled sermons.”
(VDH post today on NRO blog “The Corner”)
That rather fuzzy picture of our enigmatic leader is starting to come into focus… uh, sort of. In the above referenced post, VDH implies that the thrust of our foreign policy now will be to talk our adversaries to death. Lots of multi-culti UN style hand-holding, and no decisions or actions of any consequence. Dither about and vote “Present” whenever a decision is required. Add to that Obama recusing himself from active involvement in, as opposed to active blathering about, the formulation of the stimulus package (a domestic crisis for many of us). What does that tell us about our neophyte president?
A) That he is a figurehead, a symbol. All presidents get portrayed by the opposition as puppets with someone else pulling the strings. The more inexperienced, or indecisive, a president is the more this portrayal seems to hold merit. Obama is both, and the off-putting tactic of channeling Abe Lincoln as a mystic puppet master won’t fool the public forever. He must know this. Without a suitable alternative, this remains the default assessment.
B) That he believes his own rhetoric. Of course, his rhetorical stances on the issues change daily, making this assessment problematic. That he believes his own rhetoric… provides him useful political cover is a somewhat obvious conclusion from his behavior, but not one that helps fill in the picture.
C) That he is a cad, supercilious to the max. Hard to believe that one, though the busy social life he and Michelle have pursued during our current End-of-the-World-as-We-Know-It economic crisis makes you wonder. Lincoln agonized over his decisions. At a minimum, Obama must worry whether he has to make one or not. Ergo, we should take his actions seriously, whether he does or not. (Seriously, what the…? Somebody double check that. I can’t possibly have that right)
D) That his basic personality is non-confrontational and, therefore, indecisive. Or vice versa. In part, this is almost certainly true. Consider it a given, if you will. It still doesn’t necessarily lead to appeasement as the basis of your foreign policy. No need to withdraw sanctions on Iran, for example. That might be perceived as weakness and invite confrontation. He must know this, right? So, nothing new with this particular conclusion. Just more questions.
E) All of the above/none of the above. He consciously wishes to remain enigmatic as long as possible. Decision-making thwarts that objective.
I’m going with (E). Begs the question: Why?
Happy Presidents Day.
Conservatives need to hold President Bush accountable for the economic crisis and unleash their anger towards him. Sure, he mostly continued Clinton policies, but Bush had 8 years to reverse course. The housing bubble was certainly much more obvious in 2006 than 1999. Bush gave speeches early in his term boasting of the success of government housing agencies enabling high ownership rates. Towards the end, Bush did try to reign in Freddie/Fannie, but he failed with a faint whimper.
Bush had eight years to override the toxic decisions made by the others on Time’s excellent “25 people to blame” list. Even toxic decisions from private companies like Countrywide could have been reversed. Sen. Dodd, Barney Frank, and Sen. Graham are often mentioned by the conservatives as being the ones responsible, as if they have the same power as the President. Are we to give President Bush a pass on his, er, inarticulateness and inability to convince and lead people because we like his folksy ways?
After his re-election, Bush boldly announced his intention to spend his political capital. He did that and showed a strange pride in being unpopular. So even had he gone on a mission to straighten out the mess, he had squandered his power and walked away from his control of Congress. Failures on topics like immigration and spending spread into a failure on the economy. Bush’s failure on the economy has handed the Democrats enormous power that they use to spend trillions of dollars – beyond already stratospheric spending levels of Bush himself. They’ll have this power for years because “conservatism was tried and doesn’t work”. That talking point will remain fresh for years.
President Bush was a very bad president.
59 Mongoose . . . Oh, yeah . . . well, well, when they do it it’s wrong because they’re them. When we do it it’s right because we’re us. So there!
Looks like we can count on you to continue to be part of the problem. I rest my case.
O.K. poster 51,
Let’s hope we will soon see a video game where we can push FDR out of his wheel chair or have the blind governor of New York bump into walls.
It has always been the Dems. policy to always bash Pres. Bush at every opportunity and every turn. Educated voters know that the Democratic control Congress allowed this country to slide into Socialism.
There’s a precedent. After 1932, decades of Democratic Party hay was made by running against President Hoover. Don’t expect anything different now, since the six-year negative campaign against GWB by the MSM was such a success.
Mike T: Bush was one of our better presidents, and you would know that if you stopped uncritically mouthing the lies that you get from the MSM, the Democrat Party, your teachers and your peers, and started to think for yourself. If you had an iota of real knowledge of history, the political life of the nation or the real situation of the real world as it is today, you would know that your opinions are in the main founded on lies, fabrications, projections, half truths and straw men. A little common sense and a sense of honor would help you get to the bottom of it too. Bush will be regarded by history in at least the top ten, and remain there long after ill-informed and ill-educated ankle biters like you have long gone to their meager graves and have been completely forgotten. GWB was a great President. The fact that creatures such as yourself think otherwise only further affirms this clear and simple truth.
Obama has already turned out to be that worst president in our history, and he has only been at it for a few weeks. Worse, much worse is to surely come. Let us hope that he is not remembered as the last president of the Republic. Let us also hope that Israel survives him. The fact that creatures like you are still out there still so vehemently slamming GWB further affirms this clear and simple truth as well.
And the notion that “conservatism was tried and doesn’t work” is of course complete nonsense and the most transparent and juvenile of projections on your part. It also demostrates that you have not the faintest notion of what conservatism truely is, not to mention exposing your complete ingnorance the American experience, history or culture. America for most of her history has almost wholly subscribed to conservative ideals. Today she is right of center, as the reaction to the stimulus well shows. That is why the movement is called “conservative” after all. (BTW, much more reaction against the Dems and Obama is coming, youbetcha.)
To the extent that conservatism has been tried, it has been a rousing success. America’s huge growth of wealth since Reagan took power is a clear and irrefutable testament to truth of this. I suggest you go back and look a the DOW average over the last 45 years. If you do not understand it, try buttonholing some adult to explain it to you.
What is mostly manifestly true is that socialism has been tried, and tried and tried again, and is has always been a complete disaster. Millions have been impoverished and their lives permanently blackened by its oppression and lack of opportunities for the development of the human spirit in all of its potentialities. Hundreds of millions were outright murdered under its hideous tyranny.
For you to maintain otherwise is to be an idiot, and ignoramus or outright evil, or perhaps all three at once.
This current mess is almost totally the fault of the stealth socialism of the left and a combination of their willing and unwitting handmaidens on Wall St. and in the regulatory system, almost all of whom were Democrats, some of them high level Democrat insiders and operatives. You need to study a little more what happened. Don’t worry, a little thought and some work will not hurt you, only embarras you a bit, but you will get over this. There was little that Bush could do about it short of shredding the Constitution, which is of course what Obama is doing now. This is key difference between the two men: Bush is a fine, able, decent, well-educated, knowledgeable man and a patriot; Obama is an vile, indecent, incompetent, intellectually fraudulent, intellectual vapid, and immoral piece of Marxist filth, and a traitor too boot. You really need to consider the notion that this “crisis” was purposely caused by the Democrats. Given that at heart they are traitors and extremely evil people, this cannot be dismissed out of hand.
You may think that by repeating lies you make them morph into the truth, but this is not the case, and this is true no matter how many times democrats try to do it. Though I know it offends your deepest sensibilities, hopes and dreams, the fact is that truth does prevail in the end, even if this time around it may take a civil war to prove it.
“the American character renown for blunt speech, decisive action, free-thinking, and resolute action, even for eccentricity and stubborness ”
these words describe me and two of my siblings. it’s how we were raised.
we’re throwbacks to a far earlier time than i realized.
one of your own:
59 Mongoose . . . Oh, yeah . . . well, well, when they do it it’s wrong because they’re them. When we do it it’s right because we’re us. So there!
Looks like we can count on you to continue to be part of the problem. I rest my case
You have present no case, so you may not in truth say that you have rested it.
You have also evaded what i the pints of my respose to you, as is typical of the intellectual and moral cowardice and irresponsibility of the Leftist in general and democrats in particular..
What you have done is exactly demonstrate my point, and rather clearly so.
Of course, you are too obtuse to realize that that is just what you have done.
All your answers in one place:
The 10 Directives:
1. Thou shalt tax the churches.
2. Thou shalt close the borders.
3. Thou shalt let a woman choose.
4. Thou shalt ban private ownership of military weapons.
5. Thou shalt release non-violent drug offenders from prison.
6. Though shalt stay out of peoples private lives.
7. Thou shalt kill terrorists.
8. Thou shalt abolish the death penalty.
9, Thou shalt abolish parole.
10. Thou shalt care for the sick and the poor.
70. Mongoose writes. . . You have present no case, so you may not in truth say that you have rested it.
You have also evaded what i the pints of my respose to you, as is typical of the intellectual and moral cowardice and irresponsibility of the Leftist in general and democrats in particular..
I’m sorry, can you translate for us? Honestly I have no idea what you’re saying.
All I said was . . . “Everybody is saying exactly the same thing about the other side, because each side is guilty.” I’m suggesting that we think about setting aside our mutual indignation in favor of getting to a better place for everybody. You’re not willing or able to do that. That’s fine. But don’t blame me for your intractability.
geoffgo:
“but this is not a Fascist dictatorship. Not yet. Not entirely…that’s what the frog must gasp, as the water approaches the boiling point.”
Frogs are poikilothermic, adjusting their internal temperature to that of their surroundings. Therefore, they may fail to grasp the concept they are being cooked.
Evolutionarily speaking, we ain’t too far removed from those suckers.
#7 Jeff Perren – I think others gave you unfair crticism. I believe they heard it as elitist, while I heard equivalence. The basis for the articles claim about self-employed (farmers, small businessmen, etc.) is their accountability.
If a farmer doesn’t plow his field, it shows. He cannot pretend otherwise. If a self-employed truckdriver doesn’t deliver the goods, there is no hiding it. If a small businessman is not doing his job, the busness fails pretty quickly. This forces them to demonstrate self-discipline and competence.
However, when one works for a large corporation, often it is possible to game the system, or perform to minimums: lots of dead weight. If a scientist discovers nothing new, it can be passed off as impossibilities, or some such. In these situations, one can hide the fact that one is merely going through the motions, or riding the gravy train. This kind of thing leads to moral and ethical rot. Anonymity is the enemy of virtue.
This dichotomy explains the difference between Red rural areas and Blue urban areas. The greater anonymity there is, the more mediocrity can flourish. This lack of accountability then leads to weak characters and weak philosophies. Thus, do we get Socialism, the worldview of the mediocres who seek the security of the collective, aka Sheeple.
Do not pick on Marie Claude’s grammar. She is French, as should be obvious to any educated or worldly person. She has been learning her English from these sites. Her English is better than that of many Americans’. It is certainly better than my French.
In other words: Back off, dudes!
one of you own:
That is now twice you have proved my point, as I expected you would. Go to #59; You response is beneath contempt, just as I knew it would be.
I like the “us” part. Everyone else clearly understands what I said, and the people worth listening to agree with me. Clearly, this is just more evidence of your fundamental intellectual dishonestly.
But you know that. You also perfectly well understand what I said. It is clear and precise English. You attempt at insults merely proves my point about vile rhetorical tactics Liberal Democrats employ to distract from their true intent. If you actually cannot parse my English, then your educational level is too low for this forum and you should go back to whatever youngish, left wing blog you generally frequent. They no doubt are at your level.
Again you prove my point, and again you are completely unaware that your a doing it.
As to this
All I said was . . . “Everybody is saying exactly the same thing about the other side, because each side is guilty.” I’m suggesting that we think about setting aside our mutual indignation in favor of getting to a better place for everybody. You’re not willing or able to do that. That’s fine. But don’t blame me for your intractability.
This is a complete lie. What you are doing is attempting to draw moral and intellectual equivalency between the perfidy of Obama, the Democrat party and yourself on one hand, and the high and informed moral and intellectual concerns of patriots and decent American on the other. You do this in the hope that it will grant legitimacy to your treason. By using this tactic you also hope to delegitimize the other side (the side of the decent) by claiming that their strong disagreement with you is somehow due to “intractability” rather than real and valid concerns. But the two side are not equivalent at all, and it cannot be reduced down to emotions, rhetoric or the straw man of “intractability”. Your position is immoral, intellectually vapid and treasonous. To oppose it is not to be intractable, not in the least. To oppose you is to fulfill one’s moral duty. You are not attempting to find a “middle ground”, you are not trying to “put aside” a thing. Not in the least. You are a liar.
You are just lying through your teeth with when you say
I’m suggesting that we think about setting aside our mutual indignation in favor of getting to a better place for everybody.
That was just the point I was making in #59, and you yet again proceed with a flavor of the same rhetorical dodge that I there outlined.
This is a noxious and immoral rhetorical nonsense. Your problem is that you get way with this in your narrow peer group. But here you are not in this group, here you are amidst, though not among, adults.
one of your own:
“I’m suggesting that we think about setting aside our mutual indignation in favor of getting to a better place for everybody.”
That’s not going to happen. Since taking office, Obama himself has done nothing to bridge the partisan divide. In fact, he seems to be knowingly exacerbating Left/Right tensions, or allowing the Dems in Congress to do so at any rate.
Almost half the country did not vote for the guy. Many were worried about his putative Socialistic leanings. Then, circumstances allow him to preside over the largest expansion of government into the private sector since the Great Depression. What does he do? He resorts to fear-mongering to sell this to the public, seemingly oblivious to need for reassurance felt by both sides of the political spectrum.
His first foreign policy initiatives look eactly like a Jimmy Carter redux, with the main difference being that our current adversaries — Islamofascists of whatever ilk — are no where near as reasonable or rational as the Soviets were in the Carter years. I doubt the Soviets ever considered nuking Tel Aviv, for example, which is explicitly the threat posed by a nuclear Iran. If the nuclear balloon goes up in the ME, we’ll be fighting a real WW III.
I could go on (Fairness Doctrine, moving the census to the WH, etc) but it should be obvious that as long as fear rules the psyche on both sides, political discourse will be very polarized.
The open source intelligence newsletter GeoStrategy Direct reports …
The United States has abandoned its policy of sanctioning companies that aid Iran’s nuclear and missile program, they said.
The officials said the new Obama administration of has decided to end sanctions against Iranian government agencies or companies that aid Teheran’s missile and nuclear program. The officials said Israel has been informed of the new U.S. policy.
“We were told that sanctions do not help the new U.S. policy of dialogue with Iran,” an official said.
It seems pretty hard to blame this on Bush.
#4 Ron Kean:
I don’t believe I’ll ever understand why the left hates Bush and Palin so much. We don’t know where Obama was born or have a transcript from any school or doctor. We only know Wright Ayres etc. yet people love him. I don’t get it.
This is one that has often struck me as curious. The first victim of this phenomenon, as far as I was concerned, was Dan Quayle. Pretty much coincident with the first mention of his name nationally, the jokes began. He didn’t help that much with his spelling error and the Christmas Card his wife sent out that one year (it was signed by President and Mrs. Quayle; she was blamed for leaving out the Vice- part), but the anger and vituperation were way out of proportion to the fact that he was essentially an unknown conservative. I think the animosity is deeper.
The trick here is that something triggers the anger. In Quayle’s case, I always thought that the reaction was one of disbelief that the elder George Bush followed Ronald Reagan into the Presidency. I think the left underestimated the elder George Bush, and when he succeeded Reagan, people resolved that *whoever* Bush chose, they wouldn’t underestimate him, and he wouldn’t, no matter what, be allowed to follow Bush into the Presidency.
George W. Bush, if you look at things through this lens, is easy enough to understand. When you look at him from the point of view of a lefty. He’s Alfred E. Newman, a buffoon and an idiot. Nobody on that side of things thought he had a chance of doing anything, and no one thought he would ever get the Republican nomination, let alone win the general election and then get reelected four years later. They’re constantly confused and flabbergasted by the stupid public and their sheep-like willingness to vote for this moron, merely because he lowered their taxes (however briefly and minimally). The more he won elections, the more they get outraged, and the more there are documentaries, stand-up comedy routines, movies, etc., in response.
Palin’s even easier. When she came to prominence the attacks were immediate and vicious and completely unprovoked. Why? Well, that first weekend, she gave McCain a serious boost in popularity. *Something* had to be done, and fast. Her email was hacked, and a hundred vicious rumors (her child was actually her daughter’s, she caused the child’s birth defect, she personally shot wolves from a helicopter, etc.) immediately were spread to the eager masses. After a few weeks this movement eroded down to ridicule of her accent, the things she said etc., and the one allegation that wasn’t completely fabricated: she tried to get this state trooper fired, after he’d threatened to kill her sister and father. You’d think (and I believe any reasonable person would think) that this would be a no-brainer: he threatened to kill someone, and got suspended for 10 days (his union complained and got that reduced to five days). Since he threatened to shoot someone, you’d think someone who carries a gun as part of his job would be in *more* trouble than anyone else, not less, but you’d be wrong. He turns out to be a saint, and Palin evil incarnated for trying to get him fired, and abusing the power of her office in doing so. Things get more than a bit silly.
That in my view is the reason this sort of thing happens. It’s nothing personal, it’s more along the lines of something has to be done. Anything.
VDH:
Don’t fall into the national media trap that simply because real estate prices are down dramatically in some parts of the country that they are down everywhere in the country.
Real estate is a locally priced item. It is *not* a national commodity. All real estate is unique and it is all local.
The Omaha World-Herald reported on 2-15-09 on a soon to be published academic study. The study made several key points:
1 All Omaha-area residential real estate *increased* 16% from 2000 to 2008.
2. All Nebraska foreclosures *decreased* by 12% from 2007 to 2008.
IMO, the Case-Schiller 30 city real estate index is *not* representative or accurate because houses in Silicon Valley are priced different than those in Kansas City. And many, many cities aren’t included in the select 30 cities.
The Case-Schiller index is, IMO, brought to you by the same people that gave us CMOs, CDOs and the rest of the whole securitized real estate mortgage martket; the masters of the universe that vaporized billions.
Marc
However, when one works for a large corporation, often it is possible to game the system, or perform to minimums: lots of dead weight. If a scientist discovers nothing new, it can be passed off as impossibilities, or some such. In these situations, one can hide the fact that one is merely going through the motions, or riding the gravy train. This kind of thing leads to moral and ethical rot. Anonymity is the enemy of virtue.
This dichotomy explains the difference between Red rural areas and Blue urban areas. The greater anonymity there is, the more mediocrity can flourish. This lack of accountability then leads to weak characters and weak philosophies. Thus, do we get Socialism, the worldview of the mediocres who seek the security of the collective, aka Sheeple.
this also matchs our criterium, so many lazy persons hide in big Cies and or administrations with impunity
Per your article Dr. Hanson: “Yet can’t Team Obama get a life? We are now into month two; and will it always be “Bush did it?”
Team Obama is using the same tactic Team FDR did during his entire term in office. Blame Hoover. It worked for FDR, what’s to think it will not work for Team Obama?
one of your own, I don’t know if you are familiar with anything I have written. You may have simply used one of my posts to make a point.
I have not said much against President Obama…well, in really any of my posts.
I have not denigrated him, if you go back to his victory, I called for graciousness. You can ask the regulars here or look it up, I suppose.
I have been insistent that we not mirror the horrific and hypocritical behaviors of the last eight years, and I have been pretty vocal about not doing so.
The continuing berating of President Bush after he has left office is particularly noxious to me. I was one of the first to come out and say that President Obama is my president and that I would never wish him ill will.
Having said that,…I believe that mindless leftism of the echo chamber variety and the despicable leftism of those with ill intent…is one of the gravest dangers to our society. I have zero interest in socialism and I have an even stronger disgust and revulsion reaction to communism.
Where I join forces with some of my more conservative friends here, is in my unwavering defiance against leftist totalitarianism. I think liberals are sweet, compassionate, and well meaning. I think leftists are treasonous scum. I make a distinction between intent and unintentional regurgitation of the brainwashed and easily misled.
I call them as I see them. One issue at a time. And I think rampant leftism is a metastatized disease in this country. It swallowed liberals whole. And while I am independent and “issue-ist” at my core…not conservative…I will stand side by side with my conservative friends and fight until the last breath to eradicate this sickness from this land of ours. Leftism is a disease. No man or woman of conscience should want to catch it.
no degrees to
protect here.
So no butts to kiss either.
Government schools in a union state all the way to the 9th grade.
Gun owner, attend church, combat vet, pay all my bills.
Something has to wake this guy up to who he now is.
I don’t think he gets it.
An attack on Israel, or tiawan would go unchallenged right now.
I pray this guy comes through for this country, despite experiences from growing up in the south, and watching todays black mayors, and house members and govenors, that say he won’t.
The white leftys have rolled the guy and he won’t even get the courtesy of a reach around from them.
76. Mongoose . . . You are a complete paranoid. (You’ve heard that before, haven’t you. Yeah, I think so.) I’ll leave it this way: this is the greatest country in human experience. It wasn’t easy getting here; achieving greatness is messy work. We’ve overcome tremendous odd and obstacles, at great cost, for own good and that of others. As a leader, America has a responsibility to put forth a clear and consistent example of justice, opportunity and strength – a vision of expanding potential for all. Not everybody understands that.
You’re an angry man, a closed man, and you offer the worst possible example of what America has become. Disgraceful. You should get on your knees and apologize to the spirit of every citizen who sacrificed to build this nation.
Right now, all people of good will should watch for Obama’s next move. I believe in a few months he is going to push a new program, even more adaucuous than the trillion dollar stimulus. It could be the Fairness doctrine, the end to secret ballots in unions or a small war.
http://hyphenatedamericans.blogspot.com/2009/02/whats-next-or-i-am-trying-to-jinx.html
(Please read to the end before reacting.)
To those who have responded to my comment, consider:
It was the line worker in Henry Ford’s plant who invented the assembly line and raised and risked the capital to build it and created the jobs for workers to assemble cars. Henry Ford just happened to be there.
It was the nurse in a hospital who injected that worker’s son with polio vaccine who created the Salk vaccine and built the hospital. Jonas Salk was just lucky.
It was the laborer who hammered rails onto crossties on James Hill’s Great Northern who engineered the engines and supplied the plans and huge sums needed to create a transcontinental railroad in the 1870s. James Hill and J.P. Morgan were just bystanders.
It was the coal shoveler in the mine and on the engine car who discovered the principles of thermodynamics and invented the steam engine that burned that coal. Sadi Carnot was just a useless bookworm and James Watt a tinkerer.
It was guy who delivered stuff to Edison’s workshop who invented the practical electric lightbulb, or maybe his staff. Edison just took the credit.
Farnsworth and Marconi had nothing to do with creating radio, and it didn’t grow out of physicist James Clerk Maxwell’s theory of electromagnetism. It was just some mechanic.
It was the public house bartender in the 18th century who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison just wrote down what the bartender told them. John Locke had nothing to do with it.
I have nothing against farmers; quite the contrary, without them most of us would starve. They deserve the money they make, and much more that is taken from them. But few of them invented the biology and chemistry that permitted them to greatly increase crop yields.
I have nothing against small businessmen. Many of them struggle against great odds, and bear far too much weight placed on them by the heavy hand of government. But they also did not give us the things that Dow, 3M, IBM, and more did.
I have nothing against “the common man.” Each individual, whatever his or her line of work has the same inherent, inalienable rights as any other citizen. And, I never implied that any of these types or individuals was morally inferior because they were not chemists, electronics engineers, philosophers, composers, or the CEO of a multi-national corporation.
My argument was only that they are not morally superior solely in virtue of being “common.” If this be elitism, make the most of it.
Most modern social or political controversies result from two parties who take different sides of a false alternative. Conservative populism and liberal populism are just one more example of that.
Thank you for reading.
P.S. Marc Malone. Thank you. I agree with your points in the main.
“your” is a familiar construction that I found on many american blogs
Marie Claude, you do see your often written in place of you’re, likely because the two words sound the same when spoken. They’re actually two distinct words with different usage and should not be interchanged when writing.
your is the possessive case of the pronoun you (belonging to or associated with)
you’re is the contraction of you are
If you are indeed learning written English from sites like these, you’re to be applauded for your efforts.
(see how it works in the above sentence?)
you are to be applauded works just as well there
your efforts the efforts belong to you (what you did or possess)
Okay folks, let’s put aside politics and talk about English grammar.
- You + are = you’re. Eg: You’re such a dipwad!
- Your: Possessive – Your English grammar sucks!
- Exclamation point: ! Used to express an emphatic. Eg: You use too many exclamation points!
- Period: . Used to end a sentence. Eg: My cat is a tabby.
- It + is = it’s. Eg: It’s sad to see so many people who can’t type a cohesive sentence using grammatically correct English.
- Its: Possessive – My tabby cat at its tail.
Note to Marie Claude: see about getting a keyboard for the English language rather than using a French keyboard. Your (possessive) comments are difficult to understand.
Note to Pops in Vienna: props to you for best comments.
Note to Mongoose, TLM, DavidN, and Mike T: Your (possessive) comments are too long. Get your own column!
Is it out of necessity or fate that other nations have the political stuctures they do?
The world won’t be able to sustain the capitalism that America has become accustom to on a global scale for much longer. We the people, or more than likely the elites, will then have to implement a forced equality, if they are going to survive the growing populace.
Is our generation already feeling its effects, or is the coming age anything to be leary of?
#87 Jeff Perren:
“I have nothing against “the common man.” Each individual, whatever his or her line of work has the same inherent, inalienable rights as any other citizen. And, I never implied that any of these types or individuals was morally inferior because they were not chemists, electronics engineers, philosophers, composers, or the CEO of a multi-national corporation.
My argument was only that they are not morally superior solely in virtue of being “common.” If this be elitism, make the most of it.”
I understood what you were trying to say, so I didn’t jump your case as others did.
Rather than the moral superiority of the common man, one should perhaps discuss the presumed moral superiority of the elites…and how they came by such notions.
Here’s a quote you might enjoy:
“I’d rather live in a town that had lost all of its lawyers than live in a town that had lost all of its plumbers.” -George Meany, President of the AFL-CIO.
(Meany was as full of sh*t as any of ‘em, but he had a valid point there.)
S’marty = S’mug
Smarty, thanks for the “intentionned VOCABULARY lesson”, though for the grammar’s, I am a stubborn barbarian that aways do it ITS way !!!
“Tabby Cat
Female with an unattractive face that in some way resembles that of a feline, and or one who leaves a jacket at a male’s house in an attempt to ensure future contact
Dipwad
Dipshit and Dickwad combined.
A Person Who Lacks Intellect (a dumb**s)”
you’re wellcome whenever you’d like to “educate” me, Iwill re serve the dish LMAO
Here is how the left and the right treat a tumor. The right catch it early and quickly treats as necessary and the patient is cured. The left lets the tumor become malignant does not know how to treat it then it CONTROLS the entire body.
Bilegeman,
Ha! Good one. Certainly there are far too many so-called elites who take on an unearned mantle of virtue. A Yale degree does not automatically convey superiority and there are a thousand CEO parasites for every Fred Smith of FedEx, more’s the pity.
I just think (along with what else I wrote), it’s worthwhile to give a nod of appreciation for the men and women who have actually done great things. They are not common in history and the ones doing it today, sadly, rarely get as much recognition as they deserve. Case in point, the two molecular biologists I wrote about recently on my blog who have made discoveries that put us a big step closer to curing the common cold.
Instead, the attention often goes to the faux elite who have achieved nothing but political connections to government or within corporations.
That’s a useful distinction to keep in mind when talking about “elites” and “elitism.”
36. Robert Hurley
No. If you had read some of his books about wars long ago or modern or about the state of California/USA now, before, whenever, you’d realize the expanse.
79. DavidN
I don’t think Quayle is a good analogy. Bush went to Harvard and Yale when they weren’t subject to ridicule from the right. He flew fighter jets. He drank and did some coke like many did. It’s to his credit that he stopped.
He was all about freedom, democracy and fighting the bad guys. Nixon had Watergate. Clinton had Monica. Not W. I’ve heard his flaw was a swagger. They didn’t like his attitude. What? He mispronounced words. So? He led us through a successful war (so far). We saw liberal corrupt Old European leaders fall only to be replaced by leaders who liked him. His father went sky diving at 86.
It’s a pathology and I don’t even want to understand it.
And you listed what happened to Palin but not why. She’s great looking, accomplished, a winner and a fighter. A mom and a governor. I think her detractors are totally unreasonable.
Jeff Perren at #87 — I hope you will read my comments too, before reacting. It doesn’t look like you did before. I didn’t jump on your case, and I continue to appreciate your point.
My point is not that the common man is morally superior to the exceptional one. You have misread me if you think that was my point.
An individual in either category — common or exceptional — can have a fine moral character.
But there are always far more common men than exceptional ones, and the manner in which the common man lives is what makes a society both vibrant and solid. Henry Ford could only invent the assembly line: he couldn’t make millions of Americans able and willing to buy cars — or make them tolerate, socially and economically, the introduction of cars, and the way they change human life. He was brilliant to see an opportunity, to have an idea, and to take advantage of it. But he could not create the conditions in which he succeeded. No one can.
The social and economic conditions that make research possible, technological transformation feasible, and initiative profitable always precede invention. Thomas Edison could not have even survived, without being a subsistence farmer or a slave, in most previous ages in most parts of the world. It was not the concepts of philosophers or the guidance of scientists that gave him an open, cooperative society to be born into, one with a very sophisticated division of labor, and a firm basis for aspiration far beyond subsistence. It was the choices of millions of his fellow men and women to live in a manner both self-sufficient and cooperative. Without that society, and its tolerance and bounty, Edison would have been unlikely to achieve what he did.
The inventors of television, video recording, the personal computer, the PDA — all have had unusual insight, vision, brilliance. No question about that. But none of them had any hand in creating the conditions of society that supported their inventions and made them profitable. All the things that make it so easy for us to make consumer purchases — central banking, virtual money, fiduciary trust — predate the IT revolution, and are fundamentally a complex set of tacit social agreements that can only prevail when millions of people deal honestly with each other. We saw in the last century what societies and economies are like when those tacit social agreements don’t exist. Government stores with nothing in them — lines to buy basic commodities — shortages — thriving black markets — neighbors ratting on each other to the Party — envy and secretiveness in every corner of society.
There will never be a society made up only of exceptional men. There are often societies made up of common men whose way of life stifles and discourages the exceptional. That America has not been such a society is attributable to how her commen men and women live. Our social ethic is a rare one, and it matters.
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly.
French essayist (1533 – 1592)
I don’t wish to engage in an argument over what job description the “bedrock of the American experience” best pertains to. What I said above is my opinion.
“…individual innovation driven by reason, science, and its commercialization…” does not distinguish America from other Western nations during the time period from the Revolution until ca. mid 1900′s. Lack of a rigid social class stratification does.
In the paragraph where VDH uses the phrase, he contrasts the contributions to society of private citizens working for themselves with those of government employees.
“…the eclipse of the tragic view…” by the governmentally minded is the gist of his argument, I believe, not the relative merit of different segments of the population who are not government functionaries.
Essential vdh
I think BHO should veto the “stimulus” bill. None of our elected representatives have read it. Have we elected such idiots, we have, that they can now vote on paper work turning the US into a Socialist country and do not even know what they have voted on.
At this point in time it looks like the over throw of the Democratic Republic of America has occurred in the most ignorant and ignomous way. A vote by “elected”, some legal some illegally, representatives of the people with no one truly knowing what they are voting on has occurred. A bill passed.
Presented for signature to a POTUS that is very quickly doing what he said he would not do. Where is the open transparency? We have been overthrown by a flim flam artist, a simpleton, a product of affirmative action.
I liked Kruchev better when he pounded on the podium with his shoe shouting we will over take the US; essentially saying the USSR will conquer the US. At least we knew what he was.
J.E. Dyer,
We have some points of agreement, in particular that scientists, inventors, and capitalists do not all invent the social conditions that make their production possible.
But as near as I can make out from what you write, we have a basic disagreement about just what does create those conditions. You, I’m guessing, see this as some sort of basic given – either most individuals are honest and hard-working or they are not. I believe there are more basic causes at work. In particular, this:
“It was the choices of millions of his fellow men and women to live in a manner both self-sufficient and cooperative.”
I agree is true. But ask yourself why they chose to do so. It wasn’t always so. I think the point of disagreement is this:
“It was not the concepts of philosophers or the guidance of scientists that gave him an open, cooperative society to be born into, one with a very sophisticated division of labor, and a firm basis for aspiration far beyond subsistence.”
Indeed, it was just those exceptional individuals – the philosophers and scientists – who showed the common man why and how to be “self-sufficient and cooperative.” No, not in the manner of philosopher-kings or benevolent dictators (a contradiction in terms). But as the leading lights over the ages.
Men like Aristotle, Locke, Jefferson, and Madison, and those like Newton, Gauss, Maxwell, and more created the philosophy and the science that allowed all those others to learn to think and survive past the average age of 25 and to live at better than a subsistence level. We owe them a great deal.
It’s true that Henry Ford could not himself create, buy, and drive all the cars he created. And he didn’t invent the free, capitalist society that made his work possible. But he, and the other giants I named earlier are owed at least a sincere “Thank You” for what they created that went far beyond their own needs and their own time to bequeath to us much that we enjoy today. I don’t think we could say the same about the men who tightened the bolts on the Model-T.
The work of the latter should not be denigrated. All productive work is noble. It’s a simple matter of justice, of giving what is due – in spirit and in gratitude – to those thinkers who created new ideas that benefit us all.
Beyond that, we may well have an irreconcilable difference of point of view about what is what is not important, or what is more or less so.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
Jeff
one of your own:
You’re a hypocrite! You support the war on terror, yet you seek to ban the death penalty? You hate the death penalty, yet you support abortion? How hypocritical of you! Should a terrorist not be executed for [conspiracy to commit] mass murder just because we happen to take him alive? Is George Tiller, who has murdered thousands, any less evil than Osama bin Laden, who has also murdered thousands?
#92, AThinkingPerson: I’m not s’mug… I’m picky.
Marie Claude: I must not be an unattractive tabby cat, as I have no coat. But I’m going to send in my request to Obama for a new coat.
I am actually a very nice person who prides herself, not egotistically so, as a fairly literate person. However, I do concede to making frequent typos.
That being said and all silliness aside, here’s a nice little quote: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.” Thomas Jefferson
“” … Cannot Hillary simply show us her own “diplomatic brilliance” …. “”
“Brilliance?”
Give me a break. This dangerous dullard failed the DC Bar Exam. No-one with even half a brain and/or suffers Borderline Anal Retentiveness fails that one.
Missus Cli’ton’s never had a job that was other than as a bag-carrier for a RICO-racketeering two-bit politician and/or required she compete for it on her merits, that she be responsible to a profit or that she meet a payroll.
And during this recidivist, treasonous, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, co-serial-rapist RICO racketeer’s haplessly-hopeless (thank God!) attempt to hi-jack and “communist-ize” America’s health and hospital insurance industry, her co-conspirators’ most often repeated comment, regarding her ineptitude, was that it wasn’t that she never had a solution to any of the problems encountered — most of them of her own making — but that she never even noticed there were any problems!
Brilliant? Nah! Try: “Thicker than two planks!”
Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – CalifoCLI’TONicated 90028 and the Far Abroad
FYI:
Great VDH essay at NRO. Hubris, Irony, Nemesis.
More on that:
President Obama: “Today I sign into law the Obama Generational Theft Act of 2000 and …”
Speaker Pelosi: “Uh, actually it’s MY Generational Theft Act of 2009.”
President Obama: “But…But…”
Speaker Pelosi: “I WON. Get it. To the victor belongs the spoils.”
President Obama: “But…But… I won too.”
Speaker Pelosi: “Chump, you were always just part of the spoils.”
7676. Mongoose . . . You are a complete paranoid. (You’ve heard that before, haven’t you. Yeah, I think so.) I’ll leave it this way: this is the greatest country in human experience. It wasn’t easy getting here; achieving greatness is messy work. We’ve overcome tremendous odd and obstacles, at great cost, for own good and that of others. As a leader, America has a responsibility to put forth a clear and consistent example of justice, opportunity and strength – a vision of expanding potential for all. Not everybody understands that.
You’re an angry man, a closed man, and you offer the worst possible example of what America has become. Disgraceful. You should get on your knees and apologize to the spirit of every citizen who sacrificed to
You’re an angry man, a closed man, and you offer the worst possible example of what America has become. Disgraceful. You should get on your knees and apologize to the spirit of every citizen who sacrificed to
One: This is the third time that you have proved my point. every post of yours is an just comic demostration of the rhetorical techniques of the Left.
You are a textbook example and you do not even see it.
As I hove said before: When you are called on your agruements and underhanded rhetoric you have to stoop to flinging insults.
This is due to nothing but immaturity, vanity, incapacity and immorality.
Rational examination of your “positons” quickly demolish them and then the personal attack stert
This retort is just hogwash.
You are a little boy. When your called on your nonsense you through a tantrum and throw insults. You cannot have a discussion with an adult.
This sit is not made up of 20 year oldsm, you know.
You are publicly humiliating yourself and you do not even know it.
S’marty:
Do me a favor and mind your own business.
if you do not want to read other peoples posts than do not do so.
Grow up and try to act like an adult.
The democratic mentality has always been to blame everybody else except themselves for everything. When they run out of others to blame, then the devil made them do it ( the Republicans).
102. myth buster:
one of your own:
You’re a hypocrite! You support the war on terror, yet you seek to ban the death penalty? YES, I DO.
You hate the death penalty, yet you support abortion? I DON’T SUPPORT ABORTION. I SUPPORT A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
Should a terrorist not be executed for [conspiracy to commit] mass murder just because we happen to take him alive? THAT’S CORRECT.
DON”T FORGET – TAX THE CHURCHES!
Here’s a bit of information no one seems to speak of, and are simply taking for granted, about outsourcing.
I think it’s rather urgent that we make known to our country the fact that having the majority of our manufacturing needs dependent upon foreign nations is a dangerous policy. You see if our trading partner we’re dependent upon becomes self sufficient and decides that they no longer need our commodities that we are exchanging in trade, the necessities that they provide will increase in price or even could be halted. I don’t know about you, but I think this is a very real likelihood that needs attention.
Are people blind to this? We need basic manufacturing and production jobs back in the USA, and pronto.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
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Just another enlightening post by VDH.
I have always wondered if the 50%(and I am being generous here) of the Obama supporters who are not on welfare, who might have a mortgage, dont have tons of debt, and try to be productive citizens by working instead of seeking to suck off the government tit, really understand what their support of this political ideology does to them.
While their loss by these economic decisions of the government is not likely as significant as the “rich conservative” Bush supporters they loathe, they are still losing equity, their small retirement is now all but worthless, and they continue to toil in the zone of too rich to be in poverty, but not rich enough not to be jealous of those doing better then them.
I never understand why these kinds of people want to vote for Obama and take from the rich to give to the poor when the poor being given the riches money have no interest in working or trying to achieve even in the minimal way that that those who are not really getting these handouts atleast try to achieve.
These warped values of the working poor make them the people with the least to show for relative to the amount of work they do. Voting Democrat only perpetuates this barely making it lifestyle we see the news media emphasize every day. If you dont feel that hard work can lead to a better future for your family and future generations, then why are you working. Atleast the lazy African Americans who dont work and take all the money we are giving back are smart enough to know they dont have to work to maintain their low end lifestyle.
The fact 50% or more of the voting population does not get enraged over this shows that of anyone needs a fairness doctrine in place, its the conservatives because the liberal media is winning these elections.
Victor Davis Hanson is a racist joke. Obama is corrupt and Bush was clean? Only a very hateful or blind person could say that, and Victor is not blind, just hateful. $8.8 billion unaccounted for in Iraq. Halliburton and the Carlyle Group openly feeding at the trough of no-bid contracts. Bush’s father earning pay-offs in the millions from jihadi Kuwaiti sheikhs for his services in the 1990s. Bush’s Treasury chief directing billions of taxpayers dollars to the very company, Goldman Sachs, he was CEO of during commission of various crimes. Bush’s SEC chief in bed with Madoff. Bush’s FDA suppressing the agency’s own research into how Vioxx caused heart attacks, as tens of thousands died. Bush himself being friends with Ken Law of Enron and riding around in his jet. Over 350,000 Americans with serious brain injury due to Bush’s policies, and the VA and military hospitals in sorry shape. Halliburton’s electrical wiring contracts renewed as they executed US troops through faulty wiring. No corruption there at all.
Re: Jeff Perren
“Indeed, it was just those exceptional individuals – the philosophers and scientists – who showed the common man why and how to be ‘self-sufficient and cooperative.’”
I have to disagree with this concept. Who wins wars? The generals or the troops they lead? Obviously, both are necessary. But who does history give credit to?
Philosophers, scientists and other thinkers amount to nothing without the common man recognizing the worth of their ideas, accepting them, and implementing them. The Founding Fathers matched their philosophical theories to the mindset of the people they sought to govern.
History is full of societies that rejected innovative ideas, often to their own demise. Note the perennial debate in our own society — by the common man — over the relative merits of liberalism vs conservatism. That battle will certainly not be won solely by the generals on either side.
Alexander Macedon:
Hope that’s your real name and not just a testament to your vanity. Your post is utter bullsh*t. Go back to playing video games, fool.
Jeff Perren at #101 — we may have reached the point of diminishing returns, but I do want to thank you for your thoughtful answer. We do have a difference regarding WHY people choose to live in a self-sufficient but cooperative manner.
My point is precisely that people do NOT normally do that, or at least, have not, throughout most of man’s history. I had actually asked myself about the reasons why Western men, and Americans in particular, have done so, long, long (LONG) before composing the posts here. I attribute it only in part to the pervasive influence of great scientists and philosophers.
We are unlikely to agree on the priority of the reasons for our society’s peculiar accelerative effect on invention and marketing. So I’ll leave it at this, and thank you for an interesting exchange.
Mongoose: “if you do not want to read other peoples posts than do not do so.”
“peoples” is a possessive and should contain an apostrophe: “people’s”
“than” is a comparative and not the proper word for this phrase. “Then” is the proper conjunctive word. Additionally, there should be a comma separating “posts, then…”
Why the harsh vitriole? I just want to enlighten folks to the power behind correct English grammar. Did you talk to your teachers in school this way?
#113
Tisk tisk Sasha, you’ve missed the screaming out of
Ashcroft!!! at the end of your rant.
S’marty:
The spelling is “vitriol,” not “vitriole” (clearly you are using the English noun here, not conjugating the French verb vitrioler).
The preferred locution in the next sentence would be “enlighten folks about,” rather than “enlighten folks to.” “Awaken folks to” would, however, convey a very similar sentiment, and “to” would be the most appropriate preposition in that case.
So much fun, huh?
If Marie Claude is French, I’m Robert Hurley.
J.E. Dyer: thank you for the corrections! Although the “vitriole” was a typo, rather than a misspelling.
Yes, fun indeed.
DETROIT HAS NO FUTURE
The Dems in Congress don’t even read the transformational legislation they pass. There is no way they can make cars.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/our-auto-industry-run-by-democrats.html
It has been nearly 20 years now but for the left…Thatcher is still to blame…BDS has a long time to run.
LMAO, Smarty is a chick !!! well, I found her rather funny, I don’t mind that she takes her sentences from the urban dictionary
dgf, are you telling that I am an eurabian ?
For njcommuter –
Sorry to be late offering this – but if you’d like to see a fun new telling of The Little Red Hen – here’s a YouTube video – totally appropriate for kids – and funny to boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YppnQkP2PXE