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		<title>By: Quote of the Day: Our Ongoing Catharsis &#171; DPGI &#8211; the aftermath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quote of the Day: Our Ongoing Catharsis &#171; DPGI &#8211; the aftermath</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ron Kean</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/our-ongoing-catharsis/#comment-34353</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>161. bill

Take illegals.  They had bad medical care in central and south America.  The crossed the border illegally, now work for cash, largely send cash away from the American economy and you and others believe that I have a duty to take care of them.  It&#039;s as if I&#039;m a bad person if I don&#039;t work, pay, and sacrifice so they can have everything I&#039;ve ever had.

April 15 is a big day for me.  Is it for you?  We know it&#039;s not for them.  

We have an all volunteer army.  The less affluent members weren&#039;t forced to do anything.  Anybody can join.  Maybe you?  I&#039;m too old.

By the way, a special note of appreciation to the PJ person who is reading this post and saving us from the tedium of reading posts that are meant to disturb, insult, and generally obstruct the effort to express ideas in a civil way.  OOOXXX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>161. bill</p>
<p>Take illegals.  They had bad medical care in central and south America.  The crossed the border illegally, now work for cash, largely send cash away from the American economy and you and others believe that I have a duty to take care of them.  It&#8217;s as if I&#8217;m a bad person if I don&#8217;t work, pay, and sacrifice so they can have everything I&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
<p>April 15 is a big day for me.  Is it for you?  We know it&#8217;s not for them.  </p>
<p>We have an all volunteer army.  The less affluent members weren&#8217;t forced to do anything.  Anybody can join.  Maybe you?  I&#8217;m too old.</p>
<p>By the way, a special note of appreciation to the PJ person who is reading this post and saving us from the tedium of reading posts that are meant to disturb, insult, and generally obstruct the effort to express ideas in a civil way.  OOOXXX</p>
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		<title>By: Peter the Bubblehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter the Bubblehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>161. bill wrote:
Call me a troll but I haven’t read anything from the Hanson Choir that clarifies what they will do for the 46 million uninsured we pay for one way or another. 

Peter writes: Bill, can I ask you to please stop with the long debunked liberal talking points.  It has already been proven, long ago, that the so-called 46 million (or 47 million, or 50 million, or whatever number The Won decides to use in a speech this week) is fake, false, untrue.

A third of that number are illegal immigrants.  Say the word with me now... ILLEGAL.  Not my problem until they chose to obey the laws.

Another third are successful, generally well off young people who, for whatever reason, have decided they have better things to spend their money on than health insurance because, after all, they are young and probably not sick and/or can afford to pay out of pocket is something comes up.  Last i checked, this is STILL a free country and, at least until HR3200 passess, they are not FORCED to buy insurance.  Again, they&#039;re not my problem.

The final third are mainly made up of the poor and elderly who would otherwise qualify for government coverage already, but for some reason, either through ignorance or misinformation, are unaware that all they need to do is apply for it.  These people could use counselors (either professional or through their clergy or elsewhere) who can help them fill out the forms they need and make sure they are properly submitted.  But I don&#039;t need my perfectly acceptable health insurance to be ruined because these people need help filling out paperwork.

While certain issues of health care insurance do need improvement, you don&#039;t tear apart an entire car just to change a flat tire, to use an analogy.  Fix what needs to be fixed, but don&#039;t eradicate health coverage as it currently stands, coverage 85% of the population likes, just for the few that have not been able to get it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>161. bill wrote:<br />
Call me a troll but I haven’t read anything from the Hanson Choir that clarifies what they will do for the 46 million uninsured we pay for one way or another. </p>
<p>Peter writes: Bill, can I ask you to please stop with the long debunked liberal talking points.  It has already been proven, long ago, that the so-called 46 million (or 47 million, or 50 million, or whatever number The Won decides to use in a speech this week) is fake, false, untrue.</p>
<p>A third of that number are illegal immigrants.  Say the word with me now&#8230; ILLEGAL.  Not my problem until they chose to obey the laws.</p>
<p>Another third are successful, generally well off young people who, for whatever reason, have decided they have better things to spend their money on than health insurance because, after all, they are young and probably not sick and/or can afford to pay out of pocket is something comes up.  Last i checked, this is STILL a free country and, at least until HR3200 passess, they are not FORCED to buy insurance.  Again, they&#8217;re not my problem.</p>
<p>The final third are mainly made up of the poor and elderly who would otherwise qualify for government coverage already, but for some reason, either through ignorance or misinformation, are unaware that all they need to do is apply for it.  These people could use counselors (either professional or through their clergy or elsewhere) who can help them fill out the forms they need and make sure they are properly submitted.  But I don&#8217;t need my perfectly acceptable health insurance to be ruined because these people need help filling out paperwork.</p>
<p>While certain issues of health care insurance do need improvement, you don&#8217;t tear apart an entire car just to change a flat tire, to use an analogy.  Fix what needs to be fixed, but don&#8217;t eradicate health coverage as it currently stands, coverage 85% of the population likes, just for the few that have not been able to get it for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: beckyee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>145. Graham L., Aug 18, 2009 - 11:45 am

You could read about Uganda&#039;s success in reducing its AIDS epidemic and how it was actively undermined by condom-pushing NGOs and the US government.  In fact, the US often makes humanitarian aid to African and Central and South American countries contingent on these nations adopting Western notions of sexual liberation, contraceptive use, and abortion.  It&#039;s a form of cultural imperialism, didn&#039;t you know?

This article was written in Feb 2005: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48464-2005Feb23.html
But this one was written in July of 2008: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08071112.html
And this brief reflective piece was written sometime between 2002 and 2007 (I cannot find a specific date on the site): http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/northwestern/fall2003/studentlife/farrell.htm

It seems apparent that people who oppose &quot;moralistic&quot; and &quot;unscientific&quot; approaches to problems look with contempt on anything involving abstinence or monogamy.  &quot;How absurd!  How unreasonable!&quot;  As though people had no more self-control than goats.  Or even that they *shouldn&#039;t* exercise more self-control than goats, because that&#039;s a restriction on their liberty!  People have *urges*, you know!  Yet while condoms are more effective than nothing at preventing the spread of STDs and HIV/AIDS, not having sex at all is a sure-fire way to not get AIDS from sex.  Similarly, if two people have been celibate prior to marriage and then are completely faithful to each other afterwards, there is no possible way for either to contact HIV/AIDS from sexual contact, unless one of them is raped, in which case a condom is unlikely to be used anyway.

Yes, I acknowledge that not everyone chooses to exercise self-control.  People unwilling to exercise self-control should use condoms to avoid contacting or spreading these deadly diseases.  But that doesn&#039;t mean urging people to abstain from sex and to be monogamous in marriage is bad advice or impractical.  Indeed, it is the best advice out there for healthy psychological development, mental and emotional well-being, and overall physical health.  Condoms are the last resort, as the Ugandan government acknowledges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>145. Graham L., Aug 18, 2009 &#8211; 11:45 am</p>
<p>You could read about Uganda&#8217;s success in reducing its AIDS epidemic and how it was actively undermined by condom-pushing NGOs and the US government.  In fact, the US often makes humanitarian aid to African and Central and South American countries contingent on these nations adopting Western notions of sexual liberation, contraceptive use, and abortion.  It&#8217;s a form of cultural imperialism, didn&#8217;t you know?</p>
<p>This article was written in Feb 2005: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48464-2005Feb23.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48464-2005Feb23.html</a><br />
But this one was written in July of 2008: <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08071112.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08071112.html</a><br />
And this brief reflective piece was written sometime between 2002 and 2007 (I cannot find a specific date on the site): <a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/northwestern/fall2003/studentlife/farrell.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/northwestern/fall2003/studentlife/farrell.htm</a></p>
<p>It seems apparent that people who oppose &#8220;moralistic&#8221; and &#8220;unscientific&#8221; approaches to problems look with contempt on anything involving abstinence or monogamy.  &#8220;How absurd!  How unreasonable!&#8221;  As though people had no more self-control than goats.  Or even that they *shouldn&#8217;t* exercise more self-control than goats, because that&#8217;s a restriction on their liberty!  People have *urges*, you know!  Yet while condoms are more effective than nothing at preventing the spread of STDs and HIV/AIDS, not having sex at all is a sure-fire way to not get AIDS from sex.  Similarly, if two people have been celibate prior to marriage and then are completely faithful to each other afterwards, there is no possible way for either to contact HIV/AIDS from sexual contact, unless one of them is raped, in which case a condom is unlikely to be used anyway.</p>
<p>Yes, I acknowledge that not everyone chooses to exercise self-control.  People unwilling to exercise self-control should use condoms to avoid contacting or spreading these deadly diseases.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean urging people to abstain from sex and to be monogamous in marriage is bad advice or impractical.  Indeed, it is the best advice out there for healthy psychological development, mental and emotional well-being, and overall physical health.  Condoms are the last resort, as the Ugandan government acknowledges.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pubs, or rather the Conservatives, offer a different message all the time.  We say that it is not the government&#039;s job to fix society.  We don&#039;t expect a perfect society, just a free one.  We need not offer an alternative other than, &quot;Get the government out of it, and most problems will disappear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pubs, or rather the Conservatives, offer a different message all the time.  We say that it is not the government&#8217;s job to fix society.  We don&#8217;t expect a perfect society, just a free one.  We need not offer an alternative other than, &#8220;Get the government out of it, and most problems will disappear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me a troll but I haven&#039;t read anything from the Hanson Choir that clarifies what they will do for the 46 million uninsured we pay for one way or another.  What will you do about the people who can&#039;t get medical care or drugs for themselves or their children?  And what about the illegal farm worker who shows up at the hospital after he wrapped his car around a telephone pole?  Who needs death panels when you have insurance companies running interference and security guards barring the doors?

&quot;Wall Street greed continues, but the remedy for its excess instead falls on our family doctor, real estate broker, and accountant, and all the others who are demonized for making over $250,000 a year.&quot;

The family practice Dr ought to be exempt from taxes.  Otherwise didn&#039;t these wealthy folk do even better after the Bush post 9-11 tax cuts?  The children of the poor and middle class do the fighting overseas while wealthy get tax cuts?  I don&#039;t think Obama is demonizing anyone, he is asking them to pay their fair share.  He ought start a military draft and require every one of their sons and daughters to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Then they might make the connection between oil, the gas pump, the Hummer and the well being of their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a troll but I haven&#8217;t read anything from the Hanson Choir that clarifies what they will do for the 46 million uninsured we pay for one way or another.  What will you do about the people who can&#8217;t get medical care or drugs for themselves or their children?  And what about the illegal farm worker who shows up at the hospital after he wrapped his car around a telephone pole?  Who needs death panels when you have insurance companies running interference and security guards barring the doors?</p>
<p>&#8220;Wall Street greed continues, but the remedy for its excess instead falls on our family doctor, real estate broker, and accountant, and all the others who are demonized for making over $250,000 a year.&#8221;</p>
<p>The family practice Dr ought to be exempt from taxes.  Otherwise didn&#8217;t these wealthy folk do even better after the Bush post 9-11 tax cuts?  The children of the poor and middle class do the fighting overseas while wealthy get tax cuts?  I don&#8217;t think Obama is demonizing anyone, he is asking them to pay their fair share.  He ought start a military draft and require every one of their sons and daughters to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Then they might make the connection between oil, the gas pump, the Hummer and the well being of their country.</p>
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		<title>By: dck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#155 TLM

You are only the second person I&#039;ve run into in the &quot;blogosphere&quot; who understands this and sees its proper place at the center of the grassroots political debate going on in the country right now.

In March, I heard Tea Party protesters boo at the mention of any politician, so I hope you&#039;re right that an end to patience is at hand with the whole Political Aristocracy, and its noble steed, the image-packaging-and-sales industry.  

Pardon me if I vent some more. I won&#039;t repeat myself.

The Framers intended that a Citizen Legislator would serve and go home.  

&quot;Professionalism&quot; drew the type of people our forefathers warned us about: those attracted to power for its own sake; those who think it their special right, duty, or destiny to rule over others (not &quot;to govern&quot; and never &quot;to serve&quot;). Obama is a fine example of this.  

We simply can&#039;t afford this anymore with national solvency and our most fundamental Freedoms now constantly put at risk.  

Everyone prays for the Republic, evoking the electoral wooden stake to rid us of the curse of Count Obama in the Magic Year 2012, but a mausoleum full of replacements is just waiting for the right dark of the Moon.  The Republican Church offers little protection.  

Can the greatest country in history do no better than this: offer no better choices, no better service, and no better Statesmanship than this, as we slowly bleed out as a Nation?

Something is wrong here at a level far deeper than one or two election cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#155 TLM</p>
<p>You are only the second person I&#8217;ve run into in the &#8220;blogosphere&#8221; who understands this and sees its proper place at the center of the grassroots political debate going on in the country right now.</p>
<p>In March, I heard Tea Party protesters boo at the mention of any politician, so I hope you&#8217;re right that an end to patience is at hand with the whole Political Aristocracy, and its noble steed, the image-packaging-and-sales industry.  </p>
<p>Pardon me if I vent some more. I won&#8217;t repeat myself.</p>
<p>The Framers intended that a Citizen Legislator would serve and go home.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Professionalism&#8221; drew the type of people our forefathers warned us about: those attracted to power for its own sake; those who think it their special right, duty, or destiny to rule over others (not &#8220;to govern&#8221; and never &#8220;to serve&#8221;). Obama is a fine example of this.  </p>
<p>We simply can&#8217;t afford this anymore with national solvency and our most fundamental Freedoms now constantly put at risk.  </p>
<p>Everyone prays for the Republic, evoking the electoral wooden stake to rid us of the curse of Count Obama in the Magic Year 2012, but a mausoleum full of replacements is just waiting for the right dark of the Moon.  The Republican Church offers little protection.  </p>
<p>Can the greatest country in history do no better than this: offer no better choices, no better service, and no better Statesmanship than this, as we slowly bleed out as a Nation?</p>
<p>Something is wrong here at a level far deeper than one or two election cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The result is that Obama is increasingly at the mercy of events, rather than directing them himself. 
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You say that like it&#039;s a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The result is that Obama is increasingly at the mercy of events, rather than directing them himself.<br />
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You say that like it&#8217;s a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the GOP have to present an alternative to Obama-ism?  The liberal regime elites have been running American institutions for decades without any input from the Republicans, which has become the party of people not in power and with no influence.  Why not call for the Democrats to use their majority status to take reasonable steps?  Why do the Dems get a pass, as if no one would expect them to be other than what they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the GOP have to present an alternative to Obama-ism?  The liberal regime elites have been running American institutions for decades without any input from the Republicans, which has become the party of people not in power and with no influence.  Why not call for the Democrats to use their majority status to take reasonable steps?  Why do the Dems get a pass, as if no one would expect them to be other than what they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Duhgee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duhgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;

May I suggest a name for the above? Reagan and Gingrich showed us what we need to do. We learned through Reagan&#039;s Morning in America. We learned through Newt&#039;s Contract with America. We learned, now we just need to do it. The name: America Returns.</description>
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<p>May I suggest a name for the above? Reagan and Gingrich showed us what we need to do. We learned through Reagan&#8217;s Morning in America. We learned through Newt&#8217;s Contract with America. We learned, now we just need to do it. The name: America Returns.</p>
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