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		<title>By: Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sully&#8217;s &#8220;total political war&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sully&#8217;s &#8220;total political war&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seems to wrap himself around a meme and can&#8217;t seem to let go, something Victor Davis Hanson also noticed, About every three weeks Andrew Sullivan posts something about what I wrote, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/our-brave-new-world/#comment-13119</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is something strangely wrong, and we all know what it is. It is corruption and criminality, coupled with the new pop psychology, which dictates all the lies and endless untruths, the left, the democrats, the communists, the America haters, one and the same, have been mastering with their psychological lying, and using it to institute their insanely dangerous plans, for decades now.
 It&#039;s all true, and it&#039;s all happening on autopilot, since so many have been indoctrinated true believers for decades already. They control the reigns of power, and their ability to lie and decieve is much greater than is the dissemination of truth.
 We all know what it is, exactly what it is, from the inception of legalized murder in Roe vs Wade, and the horror of minds molded for decades to believe in and propagate that horror, feeding into &quot;forgiveness for criminals&quot; and then the excuse &gt; &quot;hatred of war&quot; - the only type of mass killing, murder on a large scale, that even comes close to the murderous bloodlust of abortion on demand, the insane freaks&#039; standard base plank.
 You see, they need an evil they can claim is as bad as their own. Their attempted cry about capital punishment has fallen away for the moment, since the problem of murdering innocents vs the convicted guiltry doesn&#039;t play as well as &quot;unintended casualties&quot; of innocents as well - like babies- in war.
 Yes, the strange people of the left, the demcorats, the obamabots, have some deep personal mental problems, and no doubt some &quot;satanic evil&quot; that rises out of them, wether they consciously realize it or not, is on it&#039;s long generational path of destruction.
 I don&#039;t take anything any of them say with anything but the tiniest grain of salt, and find each and every time they are nothing but absolute liars.
 Poor Sullivan there, burdened with his rearside freak lifestyle, can be analyzed in the way the left pop psychologists have decided to spew about everything and everyone - how they make policy and carry out their smart aleck platform of lies  - since Sullivan is such a sexually depraved freak, it&#039;s easy for him to &quot;believe&quot; (like a child hopefully seeing a familiar reflection as horrid as his own) that Palin also had hidden a deep dark, sexually depraved &quot;secret&quot;. As the old saying goes, it takes one to know one, only in this case the deranged Andrew had it all wrong. At least he had hoped it was true, so someone else could have as sick, or sicker, a profile as his own.
 So, these &quot;new pop psychology morays&quot; - that the left has fed themselves with since the Freudian sexual pschology became their 60&#039;s &quot;intellectual ride&quot; to humping anything with two legs &quot;for peace&quot;, have become their whole operating doctrine.
 Bush attacked Iraq because of his Daddy, for instance.
 It&#039;s all war for greedy oilers. (Greed being the mental Freudian component, just short of sexual satisfaction, which used to be and still is their highest analysis principal- depsite their movement to &quot;rape is about power&quot; screeds - even after they search for the full load of deposited semen for evidence. Yes, they are just insane, covers it.)
 So what we have is a clearly indoctrinated, moronic, lying, goofball, smart aleck, unaware , egotistical set of &quot;know it alls&quot; who have some pop puking crap to spew about anything - and after decades of those types of shenannigans, find it very easy to spew out any other set of lies on anything whatsoever, since they are only engaging in their mental experiments and observations or blindly repeating the new paradigm so as to become more expert practitioners of it.
 It has infiltrated and corrupted everything, and the Wall Street meltdown is just another symptom of the insane ideology of smart aleck crazies that think anything goes for their agenda - and the slide into the pit of insanity and destruction, characterized by legalized criminality continues.
 There really is no stopping it, or them. It would take a generation or two, and the crazed kookballs already run those power centers of indoctrination on the coming generations. So, there is no stopping them, no way to do it.
 That&#039;s how and why the strange feeling that something is terribly wrong is seeping in all around you, while driving down the highway, with the radio on. It is, they are here, they are in control, they are deranged and depraved, (they murder tens of millions of innocent babies with the demand that they are morally correct in it for instance), and they have apparently no real conscious concept of the massive destruction their deviled egg is causing, and it appears they won&#039;t ever wake up to that fact, either.
 Criminally insane, and you won&#039;t be stopping them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is something strangely wrong, and we all know what it is. It is corruption and criminality, coupled with the new pop psychology, which dictates all the lies and endless untruths, the left, the democrats, the communists, the America haters, one and the same, have been mastering with their psychological lying, and using it to institute their insanely dangerous plans, for decades now.<br />
 It&#8217;s all true, and it&#8217;s all happening on autopilot, since so many have been indoctrinated true believers for decades already. They control the reigns of power, and their ability to lie and decieve is much greater than is the dissemination of truth.<br />
 We all know what it is, exactly what it is, from the inception of legalized murder in Roe vs Wade, and the horror of minds molded for decades to believe in and propagate that horror, feeding into &#8220;forgiveness for criminals&#8221; and then the excuse &gt; &#8220;hatred of war&#8221; &#8211; the only type of mass killing, murder on a large scale, that even comes close to the murderous bloodlust of abortion on demand, the insane freaks&#8217; standard base plank.<br />
 You see, they need an evil they can claim is as bad as their own. Their attempted cry about capital punishment has fallen away for the moment, since the problem of murdering innocents vs the convicted guiltry doesn&#8217;t play as well as &#8220;unintended casualties&#8221; of innocents as well &#8211; like babies- in war.<br />
 Yes, the strange people of the left, the demcorats, the obamabots, have some deep personal mental problems, and no doubt some &#8220;satanic evil&#8221; that rises out of them, wether they consciously realize it or not, is on it&#8217;s long generational path of destruction.<br />
 I don&#8217;t take anything any of them say with anything but the tiniest grain of salt, and find each and every time they are nothing but absolute liars.<br />
 Poor Sullivan there, burdened with his rearside freak lifestyle, can be analyzed in the way the left pop psychologists have decided to spew about everything and everyone &#8211; how they make policy and carry out their smart aleck platform of lies  &#8211; since Sullivan is such a sexually depraved freak, it&#8217;s easy for him to &#8220;believe&#8221; (like a child hopefully seeing a familiar reflection as horrid as his own) that Palin also had hidden a deep dark, sexually depraved &#8220;secret&#8221;. As the old saying goes, it takes one to know one, only in this case the deranged Andrew had it all wrong. At least he had hoped it was true, so someone else could have as sick, or sicker, a profile as his own.<br />
 So, these &#8220;new pop psychology morays&#8221; &#8211; that the left has fed themselves with since the Freudian sexual pschology became their 60&#8242;s &#8220;intellectual ride&#8221; to humping anything with two legs &#8220;for peace&#8221;, have become their whole operating doctrine.<br />
 Bush attacked Iraq because of his Daddy, for instance.<br />
 It&#8217;s all war for greedy oilers. (Greed being the mental Freudian component, just short of sexual satisfaction, which used to be and still is their highest analysis principal- depsite their movement to &#8220;rape is about power&#8221; screeds &#8211; even after they search for the full load of deposited semen for evidence. Yes, they are just insane, covers it.)<br />
 So what we have is a clearly indoctrinated, moronic, lying, goofball, smart aleck, unaware , egotistical set of &#8220;know it alls&#8221; who have some pop puking crap to spew about anything &#8211; and after decades of those types of shenannigans, find it very easy to spew out any other set of lies on anything whatsoever, since they are only engaging in their mental experiments and observations or blindly repeating the new paradigm so as to become more expert practitioners of it.<br />
 It has infiltrated and corrupted everything, and the Wall Street meltdown is just another symptom of the insane ideology of smart aleck crazies that think anything goes for their agenda &#8211; and the slide into the pit of insanity and destruction, characterized by legalized criminality continues.<br />
 There really is no stopping it, or them. It would take a generation or two, and the crazed kookballs already run those power centers of indoctrination on the coming generations. So, there is no stopping them, no way to do it.<br />
 That&#8217;s how and why the strange feeling that something is terribly wrong is seeping in all around you, while driving down the highway, with the radio on. It is, they are here, they are in control, they are deranged and depraved, (they murder tens of millions of innocent babies with the demand that they are morally correct in it for instance), and they have apparently no real conscious concept of the massive destruction their deviled egg is causing, and it appears they won&#8217;t ever wake up to that fact, either.<br />
 Criminally insane, and you won&#8217;t be stopping them.</p>
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		<title>By: I refuse to allow my enemies to control the way I speak &#171; The KBook Report</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/our-brave-new-world/#comment-12331</link>
		<dc:creator>I refuse to allow my enemies to control the way I speak &#171; The KBook Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] longer seem willing or able to fend for or better themselves is &#8220;racist.&#8221;  That making factual observations about the world around me, based on the evidence of my senses and my lived expe... is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/our-brave-new-world/#comment-12085</link>
		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@165. Ron Kean:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Iraqis are better off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who told you that the Iraqis are better off, and what was their reason for saying this?  What concrete evidence can you offer that Iraqis are better off?

I suppose we could ask Iraqis...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/14282&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;90% of Iraqis say they were better off under Saddam Hussein&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/25/iraq-failure.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[Hans]Blix said Iraq would have been better off if the war had not happened.

&quot;Saddam would still have been sitting in office. OK, that is negative and it would not have been joyful for the Iraqi people. But what we have gotten is undoubtedly worse,&quot; he was quoted as saying.&lt;/a&gt;

Most measures of quality of life are much worse now than they had been under Saddam.  Water and sanitation systems lie in ruin, electric service is severely disrupted, inflation is averaging over 25% per year, and unemployment is 25-48%, depending on the source.  Yes, Iraqis have the vote - nobody thinks this is a bad thing - but this war will haunt our nation for many generations.  In the interim, Iraqis are decidedly not better off, and their bitterness and resistance to our occupation is quite understandable.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have failed to convince you to be wary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On the contrary.

Peace.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@165. Ron Kean:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Iraqis are better off.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who told you that the Iraqis are better off, and what was their reason for saying this?  What concrete evidence can you offer that Iraqis are better off?</p>
<p>I suppose we could ask Iraqis&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/14282" rel="nofollow">90% of Iraqis say they were better off under Saddam Hussein</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/25/iraq-failure.html" rel="nofollow">[Hans]Blix said Iraq would have been better off if the war had not happened.</p>
<p>&#8220;Saddam would still have been sitting in office. OK, that is negative and it would not have been joyful for the Iraqi people. But what we have gotten is undoubtedly worse,&#8221; he was quoted as saying.</a></p>
<p>Most measures of quality of life are much worse now than they had been under Saddam.  Water and sanitation systems lie in ruin, electric service is severely disrupted, inflation is averaging over 25% per year, and unemployment is 25-48%, depending on the source.  Yes, Iraqis have the vote &#8211; nobody thinks this is a bad thing &#8211; but this war will haunt our nation for many generations.  In the interim, Iraqis are decidedly not better off, and their bitterness and resistance to our occupation is quite understandable.</p>
<blockquote><p>I have failed to convince you to be wary.</p></blockquote>
<p>On the contrary.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Kean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that got us into this mess&quot;

What mess?  We won.  The Iraqis are better off.

You may think that Christianity = Judaism = Islam.

I have failed to convince you to be wary.

You may have the last post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that got us into this mess&#8221;</p>
<p>What mess?  We won.  The Iraqis are better off.</p>
<p>You may think that Christianity = Judaism = Islam.</p>
<p>I have failed to convince you to be wary.</p>
<p>You may have the last post.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/our-brave-new-world/#comment-12018</link>
		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@163. Ron Kean:
” guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.”

&lt;blockquote&gt;You can believe the Moslem former inmates if you want.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, this is not about who you believe, this is about the guards not doing their job.  There is no excuse.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We will disagree. Besides, there were a dozen more legal reasons to invade besides Congress voting to give Bush the authority to do it.

Yes we will disagree, at least so long as you refuse to share on what you base your assertion of a dozen legal reasons to invade Iraq.  If you make the claim, back it up with at least one or two facts.  Please.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Saddam was buddies with all who were against the US.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the kind of simplistic thinking that got us into this mess.  Again, provide some evidence if you want to argue against history.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m surprised you’re not aware of Islamic aggression and the extent to which they lie. Truth is fundamental to Christianity and Judaism even though some folks of these faiths do lie. In Islam, lying is a tenet. They use lies. This you cannot deny.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I vehemently deny your claim that Christianity and Judaism are devoted to truth.  All three religions use lies to further their agendas.  To claim a monopoly on truth based on religious differences is what got us here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You may say we’re bad that we gave Saddam weapons to fight Iran. Michelle says this has been a mean country. You believe former Gitmo inmates because they’re ‘people’. I wish I could convince you to choose this country as the best, recognise the threat, and wave the American flag with me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was bad policy and bad strategy to equip Saddam with chemical weapons.  We gave him the green light to use these weapons - why would we be surprised that he did so?  Michelle is right that this country has been less than fair to many people throughout history.  We enslaved millions and massacred the native Americans in order to confiscate their land.  Our country&#039;s history is not all peaches and cream.  I didn&#039;t weigh in for or against the Gitmo detainees - I simply pointed out that our guards did not do their job.

The USA is still a great country, and I recognize threats from within and without.  I will wave the American flag, but not in the cause of an unjust war.  Our country should aspire to something greater than aggravation of a pointless religious conflict.

Peace.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@163. Ron Kean:<br />
” guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.”</p>
<blockquote><p>You can believe the Moslem former inmates if you want.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, this is not about who you believe, this is about the guards not doing their job.  There is no excuse.</p>
<blockquote><p>We will disagree. Besides, there were a dozen more legal reasons to invade besides Congress voting to give Bush the authority to do it.</p>
<p>Yes we will disagree, at least so long as you refuse to share on what you base your assertion of a dozen legal reasons to invade Iraq.  If you make the claim, back it up with at least one or two facts.  Please.</p>
<blockquote><p>Saddam was buddies with all who were against the US.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the kind of simplistic thinking that got us into this mess.  Again, provide some evidence if you want to argue against history.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m surprised you’re not aware of Islamic aggression and the extent to which they lie. Truth is fundamental to Christianity and Judaism even though some folks of these faiths do lie. In Islam, lying is a tenet. They use lies. This you cannot deny.</p></blockquote>
<p>I vehemently deny your claim that Christianity and Judaism are devoted to truth.  All three religions use lies to further their agendas.  To claim a monopoly on truth based on religious differences is what got us here.</p>
<blockquote><p>You may say we’re bad that we gave Saddam weapons to fight Iran. Michelle says this has been a mean country. You believe former Gitmo inmates because they’re ‘people’. I wish I could convince you to choose this country as the best, recognise the threat, and wave the American flag with me.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was bad policy and bad strategy to equip Saddam with chemical weapons.  We gave him the green light to use these weapons &#8211; why would we be surprised that he did so?  Michelle is right that this country has been less than fair to many people throughout history.  We enslaved millions and massacred the native Americans in order to confiscate their land.  Our country&#8217;s history is not all peaches and cream.  I didn&#8217;t weigh in for or against the Gitmo detainees &#8211; I simply pointed out that our guards did not do their job.</p>
<p>The USA is still a great country, and I recognize threats from within and without.  I will wave the American flag, but not in the cause of an unjust war.  Our country should aspire to something greater than aggravation of a pointless religious conflict.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>DS</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ron Kean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.&quot;

You can believe the Moslem former inmates if you want.

&quot;All credible sources&quot;

We will disagree.  Besides, there were a dozen more legal reasons to invade besides Congress voting to give Bush the authority to do it.   

&quot;To assert a connection between these parties before 2003 is plainly false.&quot;

Wrong.  Saddam was buddies with all who were against the US.

&quot;judging people by their faith,&quot;

I&#039;m surprised you&#039;re not aware of Islamic aggression and the extent to which they lie.  Truth is fundamental to Christianity and Judaism even though some folks of these faiths do lie.  In Islam, lying is a tenet.  They use lies.  This you cannot deny.

&quot;The people in Gitmo are still people&quot;

You may think that being &#039;people&#039;, they are good and reasonable people.  

In the early 18th century, it was the Age Of Reason and people thought that &#039;reason&#039; could unite humanity.  Everybody was coming together...the Protestant the Catholic and the Jew.  It produced &#039;Enlightenment&#039; thought.

But Emmanuel Kant came along and demonstrated that &#039;reason&#039; is actually subjective.  People are affected by their environment to the extent that, for instance, a child in Gaza would be doing a perfectly reasonable thing to kill a Jew.  Same with Nazi youth.  Perfectly reasonable. Your reasoning tells you they&#039;re OK.  Their reasoning is very different.

It makes me wonder how many trains, buses, or high rise buildings, all full of people, will blow up to induce those who disagree with me into being stern  about the differences between us and the Islamic threat.  

You may say we&#039;re bad that we gave Saddam weapons to fight Iran.  Michelle says this has been a mean country.  You believe former Gitmo inmates because they&#039;re &#039;people&#039;.  I wish I could convince you to choose this country as the best, recognise the threat, and wave the American flag with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can believe the Moslem former inmates if you want.</p>
<p>&#8220;All credible sources&#8221;</p>
<p>We will disagree.  Besides, there were a dozen more legal reasons to invade besides Congress voting to give Bush the authority to do it.   </p>
<p>&#8220;To assert a connection between these parties before 2003 is plainly false.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong.  Saddam was buddies with all who were against the US.</p>
<p>&#8220;judging people by their faith,&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you&#8217;re not aware of Islamic aggression and the extent to which they lie.  Truth is fundamental to Christianity and Judaism even though some folks of these faiths do lie.  In Islam, lying is a tenet.  They use lies.  This you cannot deny.</p>
<p>&#8220;The people in Gitmo are still people&#8221;</p>
<p>You may think that being &#8216;people&#8217;, they are good and reasonable people.  </p>
<p>In the early 18th century, it was the Age Of Reason and people thought that &#8216;reason&#8217; could unite humanity.  Everybody was coming together&#8230;the Protestant the Catholic and the Jew.  It produced &#8216;Enlightenment&#8217; thought.</p>
<p>But Emmanuel Kant came along and demonstrated that &#8216;reason&#8217; is actually subjective.  People are affected by their environment to the extent that, for instance, a child in Gaza would be doing a perfectly reasonable thing to kill a Jew.  Same with Nazi youth.  Perfectly reasonable. Your reasoning tells you they&#8217;re OK.  Their reasoning is very different.</p>
<p>It makes me wonder how many trains, buses, or high rise buildings, all full of people, will blow up to induce those who disagree with me into being stern  about the differences between us and the Islamic threat.  </p>
<p>You may say we&#8217;re bad that we gave Saddam weapons to fight Iran.  Michelle says this has been a mean country.  You believe former Gitmo inmates because they&#8217;re &#8216;people&#8217;.  I wish I could convince you to choose this country as the best, recognise the threat, and wave the American flag with me.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@160. Ron Kean:

The most important detail about the deaths in custody is that the official government records that would have identified the responsible guards was &quot;lost&quot;.  This has nothing to do with who I believe - it has to do with the physical evidence that guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.

All credible sources indicated that Saddam was not in possession of WMD at the time we invaded, yet this was the primary pretext for the invasion.  To err on the side of &quot;safety and protection&quot; does not demand a wholesale invasion and occupation of a major middle-eastern country.  Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither.

All credible sources indicate that Saddam was not in league with Shiites or with Al Qaida prior to our invasion.  Saddam was a Sunni ba&#039;athist partisan, and was a long time enemy of both Shiites and Al Qaida because of his secular government.  To assert a connection between these parties before 2003 is plainly false.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll believe a Christian Sada and a Jewish Feith before any Moslems in the War on Terror. That’s for sure. And I think the war is still going on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the problem.  You are judging people by their faith, and then insisting on a war against those who disagree with you.  How could the war end if this is your attitude?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The people in Gitmo are really different. WMD’s were a reality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The people in Gitmo are still people, regardless of how different you think they are.  WMD&#039;s &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; a reality, back when we supplied them.  They were long gone before we went in to supposedly retrieve them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We will disagree I’m sure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No doubt.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m from Missouri and I believe the USA is (’was’ before the 1,000 page monstrosity giving billions to ACORN and millions to save the Harvest Mouse)the last refuge of sanity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny that.  I&#039;m from Oregon and I believe the USA is finally returning to sanity.

Peace.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@160. Ron Kean:</p>
<p>The most important detail about the deaths in custody is that the official government records that would have identified the responsible guards was &#8220;lost&#8221;.  This has nothing to do with who I believe &#8211; it has to do with the physical evidence that guards who were responsible for the safety of these inmates either recklessly or intentionally caused their deaths.</p>
<p>All credible sources indicated that Saddam was not in possession of WMD at the time we invaded, yet this was the primary pretext for the invasion.  To err on the side of &#8220;safety and protection&#8221; does not demand a wholesale invasion and occupation of a major middle-eastern country.  Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither.</p>
<p>All credible sources indicate that Saddam was not in league with Shiites or with Al Qaida prior to our invasion.  Saddam was a Sunni ba&#8217;athist partisan, and was a long time enemy of both Shiites and Al Qaida because of his secular government.  To assert a connection between these parties before 2003 is plainly false.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ll believe a Christian Sada and a Jewish Feith before any Moslems in the War on Terror. That’s for sure. And I think the war is still going on.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the problem.  You are judging people by their faith, and then insisting on a war against those who disagree with you.  How could the war end if this is your attitude?</p>
<blockquote><p>The people in Gitmo are really different. WMD’s were a reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>The people in Gitmo are still people, regardless of how different you think they are.  WMD&#8217;s <i>were</i> a reality, back when we supplied them.  They were long gone before we went in to supposedly retrieve them.</p>
<blockquote><p>We will disagree I’m sure.</p></blockquote>
<p>No doubt.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m from Missouri and I believe the USA is (’was’ before the 1,000 page monstrosity giving billions to ACORN and millions to save the Harvest Mouse)the last refuge of sanity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny that.  I&#8217;m from Oregon and I believe the USA is finally returning to sanity.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying very hard not to jump around the room cheering.  Thank you for saying what needed to be said.  Americans, Victor Davis Hanson knows what he&#039;s saying, please listen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying very hard not to jump around the room cheering.  Thank you for saying what needed to be said.  Americans, Victor Davis Hanson knows what he&#8217;s saying, please listen!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Kean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The circumstances of the men’s deaths have long been contentious. After the 2006 suicides, many former detainees who had known the men spoke of their shock and incredulity at the news.&quot;

What we have here is something very common.  Besides your statement about innocent until proven guilty, people on the left are very likely to believe former inmates or Moslems in general like Hamas&#039;s statements which are soon shown to lack credibility.  

From the little I understand, the Koran teaches it&#039;s alright to lie to you and me to advance their cause.  I assume you&#039;re an infidel.  It&#039;s fact that they lie like a rug.  They&#039;re told to. They need to.  I don&#039;t believe those former inmates but it seems you may. 

http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-General-Survived-Hussein/dp/B000GYI1QU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1234663050&amp;sr=1-1

I read this book.  It is credible.  He says Saddam had WMD&#039;s and moved them to Syria.

So let&#039;s say that many people said WMD&#039;s were there.  And a couple of people said they weren&#039;t.  I would rather err on the side of safety and protection.  

After 911 some people said it was a sucker punch and that that type of thing could never happen again.  It&#039;s the president&#039;s job to insure that.  Some say Saddam had no connection to Shiites or Al Quada (sp?).  Many say he had and selling nasty weapons to terrorists was a possibility.  With that possibility I still feel it was right to err in the name of protection.  You might give Saddam, Uday, and Quesay the benefit of the doubt.  Not me.

I also read this: 

http://www.amazon.com/War-Decision-Inside-Pentagon-Terrorism/dp/B001K3IHVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1234663617&amp;sr=1-1

Some, and you may be one, believe that he would lie.  A neo-con agenda.  You can find many links for that.  I&#039;ll believe a Christian Sada and a Jewish Feith before any Moslems in the War on Terror.  That&#039;s for sure.  And I think the war is still going on.

We stand in line at the airports and national sites.  It&#039;s because of the terrorist threat.  Some think Bush manufactured this fright to take power.  Some think Christians and Jews are the real threat. But I fear the aims and tactics of Islam and the evidence is massive.

Those on the left would think the worst of America and American motives but not us on the right.  I believe you would argue with the term &#039;The Hate America Left&#039;.  Michelle Obama said she was never proud until... and of course Rev. Wright and William Ayres and so many more.  I believe them.  

Sadly, I believe like VDH and most on his site that Islam makes friends with the American left to try to change things here for the worst. The people in Gitmo are really different.  WMD&#039;s were a reality.

We will disagree I&#039;m sure.

And about America&#039;s standing in the world...If the UN is an indicator, I think the world is dead wrong.  I read this:

http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-End-World-Know/dp/1596985275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1234665578&amp;sr=1-1

I&#039;m from Missouri and I believe the USA is (&#039;was&#039; before the 1,000 page monstrosity giving billions to ACORN and millions to save the Harvest Mouse)the last refuge of sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The circumstances of the men’s deaths have long been contentious. After the 2006 suicides, many former detainees who had known the men spoke of their shock and incredulity at the news.&#8221;</p>
<p>What we have here is something very common.  Besides your statement about innocent until proven guilty, people on the left are very likely to believe former inmates or Moslems in general like Hamas&#8217;s statements which are soon shown to lack credibility.  </p>
<p>From the little I understand, the Koran teaches it&#8217;s alright to lie to you and me to advance their cause.  I assume you&#8217;re an infidel.  It&#8217;s fact that they lie like a rug.  They&#8217;re told to. They need to.  I don&#8217;t believe those former inmates but it seems you may. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-General-Survived-Hussein/dp/B000GYI1QU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234663050&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-General-Survived-Hussein/dp/B000GYI1QU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234663050&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>I read this book.  It is credible.  He says Saddam had WMD&#8217;s and moved them to Syria.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s say that many people said WMD&#8217;s were there.  And a couple of people said they weren&#8217;t.  I would rather err on the side of safety and protection.  </p>
<p>After 911 some people said it was a sucker punch and that that type of thing could never happen again.  It&#8217;s the president&#8217;s job to insure that.  Some say Saddam had no connection to Shiites or Al Quada (sp?).  Many say he had and selling nasty weapons to terrorists was a possibility.  With that possibility I still feel it was right to err in the name of protection.  You might give Saddam, Uday, and Quesay the benefit of the doubt.  Not me.</p>
<p>I also read this: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/War-Decision-Inside-Pentagon-Terrorism/dp/B001K3IHVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234663617&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/War-Decision-Inside-Pentagon-Terrorism/dp/B001K3IHVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234663617&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>Some, and you may be one, believe that he would lie.  A neo-con agenda.  You can find many links for that.  I&#8217;ll believe a Christian Sada and a Jewish Feith before any Moslems in the War on Terror.  That&#8217;s for sure.  And I think the war is still going on.</p>
<p>We stand in line at the airports and national sites.  It&#8217;s because of the terrorist threat.  Some think Bush manufactured this fright to take power.  Some think Christians and Jews are the real threat. But I fear the aims and tactics of Islam and the evidence is massive.</p>
<p>Those on the left would think the worst of America and American motives but not us on the right.  I believe you would argue with the term &#8216;The Hate America Left&#8217;.  Michelle Obama said she was never proud until&#8230; and of course Rev. Wright and William Ayres and so many more.  I believe them.  </p>
<p>Sadly, I believe like VDH and most on his site that Islam makes friends with the American left to try to change things here for the worst. The people in Gitmo are really different.  WMD&#8217;s were a reality.</p>
<p>We will disagree I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>And about America&#8217;s standing in the world&#8230;If the UN is an indicator, I think the world is dead wrong.  I read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-End-World-Know/dp/1596985275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234665578&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-End-World-Know/dp/1596985275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1234665578&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Missouri and I believe the USA is (&#8216;was&#8217; before the 1,000 page monstrosity giving billions to ACORN and millions to save the Harvest Mouse)the last refuge of sanity.</p>
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