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		<title>By: Confused in Virginia</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator>Confused in Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Hanson, thank you once again for your brilliant writing.  I have to agree with #44 that it is about race.  That is one issue that seems to scare so many people, that no one seems to want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

President Obama&#039;s most ardent suppporters are African-Americans (AA&#039;s), who happen to be as racist, if not more so than the rest of the population.

I am Hispanic, married to an AA, and I can tell you that I have never in my life (I&#039;m in my early fifty&#039;s) dealt with people that are as racist as my in-laws.  My father-in-law told me through tears how he never imagined that in his lifetime, that he would ever have the opportunity to vote for a black man.  He didn&#039;t, and still doesn&#039;t care that Obama is the most unqualified person to ever hold this office.  What counts is that he is black, and that he will do anything and everything in his power to take from the rich and give to AA&#039;s, regardless of what that will do to the country.

I personally believe that it is Michelle, with her hatred of whites, who is running this country.  My big fear is that if Obama and Congress go down the path of retroactively taxing the bonuses given out by AIG, they may then turn their attention to those making less than $250,000 when they realize that those taxes don&#039;t bring in the revenue they projected.  However, I am at a loss in thinking of what can be done to reverse the course that this country is on, with the exception of waiting until 2010 to vote out the Dems in power.

I will continue to read your posts, and the comments of other conservatives in the hope that something can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Hanson, thank you once again for your brilliant writing.  I have to agree with #44 that it is about race.  That is one issue that seems to scare so many people, that no one seems to want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.</p>
<p>President Obama&#8217;s most ardent suppporters are African-Americans (AA&#8217;s), who happen to be as racist, if not more so than the rest of the population.</p>
<p>I am Hispanic, married to an AA, and I can tell you that I have never in my life (I&#8217;m in my early fifty&#8217;s) dealt with people that are as racist as my in-laws.  My father-in-law told me through tears how he never imagined that in his lifetime, that he would ever have the opportunity to vote for a black man.  He didn&#8217;t, and still doesn&#8217;t care that Obama is the most unqualified person to ever hold this office.  What counts is that he is black, and that he will do anything and everything in his power to take from the rich and give to AA&#8217;s, regardless of what that will do to the country.</p>
<p>I personally believe that it is Michelle, with her hatred of whites, who is running this country.  My big fear is that if Obama and Congress go down the path of retroactively taxing the bonuses given out by AIG, they may then turn their attention to those making less than $250,000 when they realize that those taxes don&#8217;t bring in the revenue they projected.  However, I am at a loss in thinking of what can be done to reverse the course that this country is on, with the exception of waiting until 2010 to vote out the Dems in power.</p>
<p>I will continue to read your posts, and the comments of other conservatives in the hope that something can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaisan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13351</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2008 with Obama on the campaign trail, I wrote on these pages that we were dealing with a CULT! In 2009, with President Obama, we are still dealing with a CULT! Trying to figure these people out is as insane as they are... they aren&#039;t rational... they&#039;re true believers through and through. Our only hope is that enough of them will wake up before it&#039;s too late. 

There have been several documentaries about cults... about Jonestown and the murder of Congressman Ryan and the mass suicide of almost 1,000 people in 1978 under the direct orders of Jim Jones. His followers called him Father and God and to them he was the messiah come to lead them to the Promised Land. He led them all right... to their deaths!  

MSNBC also ran a documentary last November called &quot;Witness to Jonestown&quot;. See it if you can... a sobering account of how so many people can be taken in by a charismatic leader. One of the survivors, Tim Carter, Viet Nam vet and member of the Jonestown community said, &quot;I&#039;d been playing Peace and Love and woke up to find the leader was a murderer.&quot; When asked by a reporter what took him so long to &quot;wake up&quot; he said that he couldn&#039;t... didn&#039;t want to believe that everything he had believed, pinned his hopes on - paradise on earth - was all a lie.&quot; It was only at the very end, when people were dying, that he couldn&#039;t deny the truth any longer.

Remember Jonestown!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2008 with Obama on the campaign trail, I wrote on these pages that we were dealing with a CULT! In 2009, with President Obama, we are still dealing with a CULT! Trying to figure these people out is as insane as they are&#8230; they aren&#8217;t rational&#8230; they&#8217;re true believers through and through. Our only hope is that enough of them will wake up before it&#8217;s too late. </p>
<p>There have been several documentaries about cults&#8230; about Jonestown and the murder of Congressman Ryan and the mass suicide of almost 1,000 people in 1978 under the direct orders of Jim Jones. His followers called him Father and God and to them he was the messiah come to lead them to the Promised Land. He led them all right&#8230; to their deaths!  </p>
<p>MSNBC also ran a documentary last November called &#8220;Witness to Jonestown&#8221;. See it if you can&#8230; a sobering account of how so many people can be taken in by a charismatic leader. One of the survivors, Tim Carter, Viet Nam vet and member of the Jonestown community said, &#8220;I&#8217;d been playing Peace and Love and woke up to find the leader was a murderer.&#8221; When asked by a reporter what took him so long to &#8220;wake up&#8221; he said that he couldn&#8217;t&#8230; didn&#8217;t want to believe that everything he had believed, pinned his hopes on &#8211; paradise on earth &#8211; was all a lie.&#8221; It was only at the very end, when people were dying, that he couldn&#8217;t deny the truth any longer.</p>
<p>Remember Jonestown!</p>
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		<title>By: whyyeseyec</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13273</link>
		<dc:creator>whyyeseyec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe when we get through borrowing from the Chinese we can start borrowing from other planets...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe when we get through borrowing from the Chinese we can start borrowing from other planets&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gregg</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13228</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of the same &quot;sour grapes commentary&quot; and sadly so predictable. I question the comment:&quot;...In some cases, the lawyer or contractor who a year ago had $400K put away in retirement funds and $300K in home equity has effectively lost half, if not more, of his hard-won wealth...&quot; That was not hard earned wealth, but cheap and sleazy inflated wealth based on unrealistic expectations. I took a hit too but knew all along that &quot;the party could end at any moment&quot;. (Nothing lasts forever that is based on fantasy.) He is suddenly so defensive about Rush&#039;s extravagant private lifestyle, but wrote hit pieces about Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Streisand and other liberals and their extravagance. Time to put divisions aside and come together as Americans..or we might all go &quot;down with the ship&quot;...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of the same &#8220;sour grapes commentary&#8221; and sadly so predictable. I question the comment:&#8221;&#8230;In some cases, the lawyer or contractor who a year ago had $400K put away in retirement funds and $300K in home equity has effectively lost half, if not more, of his hard-won wealth&#8230;&#8221; That was not hard earned wealth, but cheap and sleazy inflated wealth based on unrealistic expectations. I took a hit too but knew all along that &#8220;the party could end at any moment&#8221;. (Nothing lasts forever that is based on fantasy.) He is suddenly so defensive about Rush&#8217;s extravagant private lifestyle, but wrote hit pieces about Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Streisand and other liberals and their extravagance. Time to put divisions aside and come together as Americans..or we might all go &#8220;down with the ship&#8221;&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 333 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13225</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 333 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OH, WHAT A DEBT! by Victor Davis Hanson: &#8220;The numbers are so fantastic, so absolutely crazed, that the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13224</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VDH:
 It&#039;s not the debts we will see that will be impressive,but the civil war that this debt will set off!REGARDS!</description>
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 It&#8217;s not the debts we will see that will be impressive,but the civil war that this debt will set off!REGARDS!</p>
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		<title>By: TLM</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13223</link>
		<dc:creator>TLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After his first fifty days in office, has the schematic picture of President Obama been filled in with any significant detail? Maybe, however, I think he still cloaks himself in a miasma of postmodernist pablum designed to hide his true agenda. Is he inept, calculating, mean? Don&#039;t know, but, reading between the lines, a few things are clear: 

His personal ambition seems to be to limit that of others. As VDH implies, his economic policies have targeted for extinction the goal directed ambitious upper middle class. By applying punitive tax measures to them in order to fund government handouts to society&#039;s slackers, he apparently wishes to bury for good the can-do spirit that leads to upwardly mobility in America. Oh well, our society was never a true meritocracy. Just the closest thing to it in the last 2500 years.  

Ever the idealist himself --when it comes to remaking America -- Obama wishes to kill the influence of idealism on how Americans perceive themselves. We will no longer be a force for good in the world, as exemplified by the fact that we will no longer be a force at all. Too difficult to sort out the good guys from the bad guys, so why bother. In fact, better to focus on how bad we&#039;ve behaved ourselves in the past 8 years. (N.B.: This mea culpa ought to be sufficient consolation to you really &quot;bad guys&quot; out there, whoever you are, to leave us alone until Obama gets re-elected). Pragmatically speaking, American idealism is what Obama says it is. 

Hopenchange for the future means nopenchange for the past. No historical ties that bind. No cultural affinity with our cousins across the pond. No shared glory for the One who walks on water. Thus, the Mau-Mauing of Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of...uh, one of those 190 countries at the UN. So, forget the joint press conference. Obama might trip over his English again in public. Change we can believe in? Not even a dirt poor Third World ex-colony of Britain would treat the UK PM so contemptuously. In fact, not even the Irish would.

Fifty days to go until the presidential honeymoon period is over. Thank God. Then we can really unload on Obama and his Administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After his first fifty days in office, has the schematic picture of President Obama been filled in with any significant detail? Maybe, however, I think he still cloaks himself in a miasma of postmodernist pablum designed to hide his true agenda. Is he inept, calculating, mean? Don&#8217;t know, but, reading between the lines, a few things are clear: </p>
<p>His personal ambition seems to be to limit that of others. As VDH implies, his economic policies have targeted for extinction the goal directed ambitious upper middle class. By applying punitive tax measures to them in order to fund government handouts to society&#8217;s slackers, he apparently wishes to bury for good the can-do spirit that leads to upwardly mobility in America. Oh well, our society was never a true meritocracy. Just the closest thing to it in the last 2500 years.  </p>
<p>Ever the idealist himself &#8211;when it comes to remaking America &#8212; Obama wishes to kill the influence of idealism on how Americans perceive themselves. We will no longer be a force for good in the world, as exemplified by the fact that we will no longer be a force at all. Too difficult to sort out the good guys from the bad guys, so why bother. In fact, better to focus on how bad we&#8217;ve behaved ourselves in the past 8 years. (N.B.: This mea culpa ought to be sufficient consolation to you really &#8220;bad guys&#8221; out there, whoever you are, to leave us alone until Obama gets re-elected). Pragmatically speaking, American idealism is what Obama says it is. </p>
<p>Hopenchange for the future means nopenchange for the past. No historical ties that bind. No cultural affinity with our cousins across the pond. No shared glory for the One who walks on water. Thus, the Mau-Mauing of Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of&#8230;uh, one of those 190 countries at the UN. So, forget the joint press conference. Obama might trip over his English again in public. Change we can believe in? Not even a dirt poor Third World ex-colony of Britain would treat the UK PM so contemptuously. In fact, not even the Irish would.</p>
<p>Fifty days to go until the presidential honeymoon period is over. Thank God. Then we can really unload on Obama and his Administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Sesar</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13222</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Sesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible to get this con man out of office right quick, if we insist that he release his birth certificate. But no, all the smarty pants say that&#039;s a dead end, etc. Bull! David Horowitz is actually afraid of this tactic, and if even he can be that, well, dumb, what can one do? Some reporter at a press conference ought to confront him about his refusal to release the document and prove his eligibility to the office of president. The Constitution is quite clear about it; no person except a natural born citizen, is eligible. There&#039;s no statute of limitations on this provision. It&#039;s the law of the land. When Barry goes into his snooty high horse act and tries to slough it off, the whole room of reporters should keep on hassling him with the same question, and boo him when he starts to hem &#039;n haw and brazen it out. That&#039;ll set some wheels in motion, I betcha!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible to get this con man out of office right quick, if we insist that he release his birth certificate. But no, all the smarty pants say that&#8217;s a dead end, etc. Bull! David Horowitz is actually afraid of this tactic, and if even he can be that, well, dumb, what can one do? Some reporter at a press conference ought to confront him about his refusal to release the document and prove his eligibility to the office of president. The Constitution is quite clear about it; no person except a natural born citizen, is eligible. There&#8217;s no statute of limitations on this provision. It&#8217;s the law of the land. When Barry goes into his snooty high horse act and tries to slough it off, the whole room of reporters should keep on hassling him with the same question, and boo him when he starts to hem &#8216;n haw and brazen it out. That&#8217;ll set some wheels in motion, I betcha!.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Blogger - Tuesday, March 10th, 2009&#160;&#124;&#160;Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Blogger - Tuesday, March 10th, 2009&#160;&#124;&#160;Jack&#8217;s Newswatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/oh-what-a-debt/#comment-13216</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Republicans have been DOA since.&quot;

There isn&#039;t much else they can be.  The Dems have all the cards - they hold the White House and with only a couple of RINOs a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.  Unfortunately there is little to do except wait for BO to screw it up and hope that some of the people who voted for him come to their senses.  I only hope it isn&#039;t already too late by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Republicans have been DOA since.&#8221;</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t much else they can be.  The Dems have all the cards &#8211; they hold the White House and with only a couple of RINOs a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.  Unfortunately there is little to do except wait for BO to screw it up and hope that some of the people who voted for him come to their senses.  I only hope it isn&#8217;t already too late by then.</p>
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