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		<title>By: Peter the Bubblehead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-10010</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter the Bubblehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>139. tournefort asked:
1) WHY was it not hammered home that most of the rationales cited by Congress referred to UN actions from the nineties or to their OWN legislation from 1998, all long before GW arrived, that GW was acting on policies established 4 years prior to his election?

Peter replies: Because that way the members of Congress, if things started to go badly as they did when the insurgency geared up into full swing, had a form of &#039;culpable deniability&#039; and could scream &#039;Bush Lied!&#039; &#039;It was all about the WMDs!&#039; &#039;Blood for Oil!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>139. tournefort asked:<br />
1) WHY was it not hammered home that most of the rationales cited by Congress referred to UN actions from the nineties or to their OWN legislation from 1998, all long before GW arrived, that GW was acting on policies established 4 years prior to his election?</p>
<p>Peter replies: Because that way the members of Congress, if things started to go badly as they did when the insurgency geared up into full swing, had a form of &#8216;culpable deniability&#8217; and could scream &#8216;Bush Lied!&#8217; &#8216;It was all about the WMDs!&#8217; &#8216;Blood for Oil!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: tournefort</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9972</link>
		<dc:creator>tournefort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Iraq war was authorized on 23 Congressional counts—not just WMD. So why focus on that alone?&quot;

So... I didn&#039;t just &quot;miss something&quot;? 

After having spent a great deal of time studying and restudying all those UN resolutions, especially UNSC resolution 1441, and the Iraq War resolution, I have consistently wondered about a couple of things:

1) WHY was it not hammered home that most of the rationales cited by Congress referred to UN actions from the nineties or to their OWN legislation from 1998, all long before GW arrived, that GW was acting on policies established 4 years prior to his election?

2)In 2002, 1441 detailed TWO equally important conditions to be met by Iraq, the resumption of inspections and a current and complete DECLARATION of all their WMD PROGRAMS. 

The world cheered the resumption of inspections and &quot;no WMD&quot;. However, we barely heard a peep about that declaration, the one that was rejected by the UN. Hans Blix spoke about it, Iraq&#039;s lack of cooperation on &quot;substance&quot;, in each of his reports to the UN after inspections had resumed. 

1441 said Iraq would be in &quot;further material breach&quot; if it did not provide a complete and truthful declaraton. The declaration was crucial to the work the inspectors were doing. It was the document inspectors were to use, after physically inspecting sites for any remaining WMD, to determine if Iraq had also totally dismantled all its programs to REBUILD and deliver WMD and would not be able to pose a threat should sanctions finally be lifted.

WHY didn&#039;t we hear more about that declaration in the news? Iraq&#039;s continuing refusal to comply with that requirement was an essential part of the argument that Iraq had failed its &quot;final&quot; chance to avoid all those &quot;serious consequences&quot; and the decision to invade.

Interestingly enough, in June of 2003 Rolf Ekeus, head inspector for UNSCOM, wrote an article saying that Iraqi WMD PROGRAMS posed a more serious threat than any degraded WMD that the inspectors might find. He said the Iraqis had decided to focus on maintaining a WMD program that could, instead of storing WMD, produce them on short notice. 

Perhaps that is why their WMD declaration of 2002 was &quot;incomplete&quot; and a re-hash of older reports. A truly &quot;current&quot; report, verified by UN inspectors, would have shown they had done exactly what Ekeus had said and were NOT disarming, a reality totally different from the impression given by the resumption of weapons inspections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Iraq war was authorized on 23 Congressional counts—not just WMD. So why focus on that alone?&#8221;</p>
<p>So&#8230; I didn&#8217;t just &#8220;miss something&#8221;? </p>
<p>After having spent a great deal of time studying and restudying all those UN resolutions, especially UNSC resolution 1441, and the Iraq War resolution, I have consistently wondered about a couple of things:</p>
<p>1) WHY was it not hammered home that most of the rationales cited by Congress referred to UN actions from the nineties or to their OWN legislation from 1998, all long before GW arrived, that GW was acting on policies established 4 years prior to his election?</p>
<p>2)In 2002, 1441 detailed TWO equally important conditions to be met by Iraq, the resumption of inspections and a current and complete DECLARATION of all their WMD PROGRAMS. </p>
<p>The world cheered the resumption of inspections and &#8220;no WMD&#8221;. However, we barely heard a peep about that declaration, the one that was rejected by the UN. Hans Blix spoke about it, Iraq&#8217;s lack of cooperation on &#8220;substance&#8221;, in each of his reports to the UN after inspections had resumed. </p>
<p>1441 said Iraq would be in &#8220;further material breach&#8221; if it did not provide a complete and truthful declaraton. The declaration was crucial to the work the inspectors were doing. It was the document inspectors were to use, after physically inspecting sites for any remaining WMD, to determine if Iraq had also totally dismantled all its programs to REBUILD and deliver WMD and would not be able to pose a threat should sanctions finally be lifted.</p>
<p>WHY didn&#8217;t we hear more about that declaration in the news? Iraq&#8217;s continuing refusal to comply with that requirement was an essential part of the argument that Iraq had failed its &#8220;final&#8221; chance to avoid all those &#8220;serious consequences&#8221; and the decision to invade.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, in June of 2003 Rolf Ekeus, head inspector for UNSCOM, wrote an article saying that Iraqi WMD PROGRAMS posed a more serious threat than any degraded WMD that the inspectors might find. He said the Iraqis had decided to focus on maintaining a WMD program that could, instead of storing WMD, produce them on short notice. </p>
<p>Perhaps that is why their WMD declaration of 2002 was &#8220;incomplete&#8221; and a re-hash of older reports. A truly &#8220;current&#8221; report, verified by UN inspectors, would have shown they had done exactly what Ekeus had said and were NOT disarming, a reality totally different from the impression given by the resumption of weapons inspections.</p>
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		<title>By: Cybergeezer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9955</link>
		<dc:creator>Cybergeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take back what I said about our new President. He’s not incompetent. He’s juvenile and adolescent. After this mornings news conference, I’m convinced. He’s an absolute joke. We The People are screwed. And this includes you pathetic Obama supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take back what I said about our new President. He’s not incompetent. He’s juvenile and adolescent. After this mornings news conference, I’m convinced. He’s an absolute joke. We The People are screwed. And this includes you pathetic Obama supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhein Gold</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9928</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhein Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for an insightful article. All day today I&#039;ve been hearing on the news that Obama has signed an executive order (bet he loves that phrase,too) closing Guantanamo Bay within a year. My question is: why the rush? If one year is ok why not two or ten? Where will he put these terrorists? (I suggest Western Pennsylvania in Murtha&#039;s district). But why the rush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for an insightful article. All day today I&#8217;ve been hearing on the news that Obama has signed an executive order (bet he loves that phrase,too) closing Guantanamo Bay within a year. My question is: why the rush? If one year is ok why not two or ten? Where will he put these terrorists? (I suggest Western Pennsylvania in Murtha&#8217;s district). But why the rush?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9733</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make no apologies for not joining Obama&#039;s love train. His weltaunschaung of big government in all spheres of my life is anathema to what this country stands for. Check out this thought provoking article http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/comment/Gerald-Warner-New-president-same.4887764.jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make no apologies for not joining Obama&#8217;s love train. His weltaunschaung of big government in all spheres of my life is anathema to what this country stands for. Check out this thought provoking article <a href="http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/comment/Gerald-Warner-New-president-same.4887764.jp" rel="nofollow">http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/comment/Gerald-Warner-New-president-same.4887764.jp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike2</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9721</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>96. Will:

To the left,our new leader is a saviour,and can do nothing bad. As one black woman exclamed”We’re all going to be rich”. With this kind of thinking how can we recover?

We probably don&#039;t. As for me I say let the 52% support the 48% of us that didn&#039;t drink the Kool Aid. Buy as little as possible, don&#039;t support anything Hollywood puts out, keep the income under the tax levels so as not to contribute to the fiasco, assuming the car is not a total gas guzzler keep it going as long as possible and totally tune out the leftie mass media. Let the 52% pay the bills. They deserve it.
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Who is John Galt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>96. Will:</p>
<p>To the left,our new leader is a saviour,and can do nothing bad. As one black woman exclamed”We’re all going to be rich”. With this kind of thinking how can we recover?</p>
<p>We probably don&#8217;t. As for me I say let the 52% support the 48% of us that didn&#8217;t drink the Kool Aid. Buy as little as possible, don&#8217;t support anything Hollywood puts out, keep the income under the tax levels so as not to contribute to the fiasco, assuming the car is not a total gas guzzler keep it going as long as possible and totally tune out the leftie mass media. Let the 52% pay the bills. They deserve it.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Who is John Galt?</p>
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		<title>By: G.May</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9717</link>
		<dc:creator>G.May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to note that all the pretentious leftists posting here are only attacking the weaker posters here, instead of the original post.  And those few leftists with the guts to attempt to address Dr. Hansen&#039;s piece only respond with their bumper sticker arguments instead of something of substance or grounding in reality.

I will not sully the traditional meaning of &#039;liberal&#039; by referring to outright leftists.  Leftists who have co-pted that term to attempt to recast their thieving image and intellectually bankrupt philosophies.   Then there&#039;s the misinformed on the right who have allowed them to do it and use the term with such disdain.  

Call a leftist a leftist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note that all the pretentious leftists posting here are only attacking the weaker posters here, instead of the original post.  And those few leftists with the guts to attempt to address Dr. Hansen&#8217;s piece only respond with their bumper sticker arguments instead of something of substance or grounding in reality.</p>
<p>I will not sully the traditional meaning of &#8216;liberal&#8217; by referring to outright leftists.  Leftists who have co-pted that term to attempt to recast their thieving image and intellectually bankrupt philosophies.   Then there&#8217;s the misinformed on the right who have allowed them to do it and use the term with such disdain.  </p>
<p>Call a leftist a leftist.</p>
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		<title>By: gus3</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9716</link>
		<dc:creator>gus3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the game, but this line from John Galt stuck out:

&quot;Iraq was never a threat to the Western world.&quot;

Nonsense. Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti had no interest in being a civilized player on the world stage. His entire raison d&#039;etre was to taunt the West, and the USA in particular, to humiliate us any way he could. Even to the point of extending an offer of asylum to Osama bin Laden, as documented by CNN in 1999(!):

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:GFBbzS7_FOEJ:www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/13/afghan.binladen/

(Link goes to Google cache because CNN wants to hide the truth about radical Islam. If the cache disappears, just search for the phrase &quot;Bin Laden reportedly leaves Afghanistan, whereabouts unknown&quot;.)

Saddam Hussein was a threat to everyone, but he harbored a special hatred for the USA, and he was willing to lend a hand to anyone who could hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the game, but this line from John Galt stuck out:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iraq was never a threat to the Western world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense. Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti had no interest in being a civilized player on the world stage. His entire raison d&#8217;etre was to taunt the West, and the USA in particular, to humiliate us any way he could. Even to the point of extending an offer of asylum to Osama bin Laden, as documented by CNN in 1999(!):</p>
<p><a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:GFBbzS7_FOEJ:www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/13/afghan.binladen/" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:GFBbzS7_FOEJ:www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/13/afghan.binladen/</a></p>
<p>(Link goes to Google cache because CNN wants to hide the truth about radical Islam. If the cache disappears, just search for the phrase &#8220;Bin Laden reportedly leaves Afghanistan, whereabouts unknown&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Saddam Hussein was a threat to everyone, but he harbored a special hatred for the USA, and he was willing to lend a hand to anyone who could hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weimer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/novus-ordo-seclorum/#comment-9710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Weimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49. Broke:

&lt;i&gt;President Obama has a plan to RE-INVENT America. The only way he can do that is by instilling a sense of purpose into the masses. His rise to the presidency has occurred by rallying people behind his image. The inauguration is a continuation of the same philosophy that will actually allow a re-invented America. Re-distribution of concentrated centers of wealth can only occur with intense public support. Don’t be suprised if another civil rights movement appears. That is what happens when the mass actually pays attention to politics.
Jan 19, 2009 - 10:10 am&lt;/i&gt;

Ah yes, the bread and circuses....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49. Broke:</p>
<p><i>President Obama has a plan to RE-INVENT America. The only way he can do that is by instilling a sense of purpose into the masses. His rise to the presidency has occurred by rallying people behind his image. The inauguration is a continuation of the same philosophy that will actually allow a re-invented America. Re-distribution of concentrated centers of wealth can only occur with intense public support. Don’t be suprised if another civil rights movement appears. That is what happens when the mass actually pays attention to politics.<br />
Jan 19, 2009 &#8211; 10:10 am</i></p>
<p>Ah yes, the bread and circuses&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dadinseattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dadinseattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDS is like the left&#039;s  strain of herpes, it is permanent and they take no responsibility for having it, or spreading it around. They appear to hope once everyone has it they figure it will be more acceptable to have big open hateful sores. It is no accident that those who have this hatred show their alter-ego in adulation for the anti-Bush (Obama) despite his empty suit wardrobe.
If you think that we want to join you in unity, think again!
We just want our country preserved and we know the left will make our country sick.
The unalienable rights will be destroyed by the left, not the right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDS is like the left&#8217;s  strain of herpes, it is permanent and they take no responsibility for having it, or spreading it around. They appear to hope once everyone has it they figure it will be more acceptable to have big open hateful sores. It is no accident that those who have this hatred show their alter-ego in adulation for the anti-Bush (Obama) despite his empty suit wardrobe.<br />
If you think that we want to join you in unity, think again!<br />
We just want our country preserved and we know the left will make our country sick.<br />
The unalienable rights will be destroyed by the left, not the right!</p>
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