Is Fort Hood Really a “Tragedy?”
Something has gone terribly wrong in the entire reaction to the Ft. Hood massacres, as evidenced by the media, the administration, the military authorities, and perhaps the public at large. There seems almost a dreamy disconnect from the terrible fate of the slain—as if we are innately impotent to stop such mayhem, or are above the fray and so like Platonic Guardians must remain deep in contemplation about how in theory we can persuade the Hasans to cease and desist—as if our therapeutic stance in the first place did not encourage and embolden such monsters to act.
Not a “tragedy”
So I am tired of the use of the word “tragedy”—the Greeks’ original invention that grew out of a “goat song”. True, it has come to mean “calamity”, but tragedy’s essence is a central character, flawed rather than inherently evil, at war with, and at the mercy of, larger, immovable forces like fate, destiny, and the gods that overwhelm an Oedipus or Ajax—through a fatal flaw, hubris, or happenstance. The horrific resulting collision can bring education and even entertainment to an audience— Aeschylus’s “learning through pain.”
Sorry, Major Hasan just doesn’t rate. He was not a “tragic” figure, just a tawdry murderous killer, who in premeditated fashion bought guns, planned his killings, and tried to locate his personal failings within some sort jihadist war against the West. Our slain soldiers were the result of an evil act, a one-sided horror story, not a collision of human and divine wills.
Enough of ‘Why did he do it?’
I am also tired of the asinine questioning, “Why did he do this?”—as if we are to be perplexed that Hasan the deep philosopher inexplicably committed mayhem. We have reached real Bathos, when talking heads ponder whether trying to contact al Qaeda is really that bad, or whether yelling “Allahu Akbar” as one blows apart human flesh is really an act connected to radical Islam.
(By the way, do we really, in the style of Mohammed Atta’s father, need another pathetic interview beamed from the Middle East with the aggrieved relative, who swears on television that his progeny could not have possibly done the crime? And do we need another Western “thinker” writing that our armed forces attacking suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban in Predator strikes is the equivalent of Hasan shooting uniformed soldiers—as if those in uniform of a democratic state, training for or in war, are the same as those out of uniform committed to theocratic absolutism through the deliberate killing of civilians or the unarmed? If we kill the non-combatant in Waziristan, it is through error mostly brought on by the deliberate terrorists’ use of “shields”; if Hasan does, it is by intent; those at Fort Dix are enlisted in a cause of freedom and consensual government; Hasan in his hour of carnage enlisted in a 7th-century cause to extinguish it.)
Motives
The evidence is pretty clear. 1) Hasan did not want either to leave the army and pay back the cost of his education loans, or stay in and deploy to a war theater that was heating up; so (2) he sought a desperate solution to both dilemmas, one that might elevate his tiny psychodramas into some sort of cosmic “meaning” through mass murdering in cowardly fashion.
(I say cowardly since his victims were (a) trapped in a confined place, (b) unarmed, (c) unaware and unsuspecting of a fellow officer—the only constraints on his death toll were the mechanics of adding additional clips until police arrived.)
That is not to say Hasan did not “believe.” He most surely did see the West as pathological, and the never-never-land of 7th Islam as paradise, one obtainable should Hasan, as others have, martyr himself for the cause.
The murderer as hero
I also picked up on the inappropriate use of tragedy to describe this massacre of innocents. As matter of fact, this was the very first thing that crossed my mind. And I was definitely not alone. It might even represent the consensus response of most political and cultural conservatives. We have, after all, long paid attention to the warnings of George Orwell. Phyllis Chesler was right on target to point out that the politically correct establishment was going to declare Major Hasan to be some sort of victim. In one way or another, the majority white society was going to be blamed for turning this military officer into a raging, homicidal maniac. The very fact that Hasan possesses dark skin supposedly means that he should not be held responsible for his despicable behavior. Try to imagine the response of the “elites” if Hasan were a blue eyed, blond haired, fervently committed member of the Ku Klux Klan.
When is Victor Hanson going to be on PJTV, or as some guest commentator on network or cable news show?
Thank you VDH; you said it perfectly.
We need leadership that acknowledges the reality of an Islamic fundamentalist agenda against all non-Muslims. We need a leadership that acknowledges that their method is via terrorism – attacks against civilians/unarmed for the sole purpose of murder.
Obama refuses to recognize either reality; he refuses to recognize both Islamic fascism and terrorism; this means that these attacks will continue.
Victor,
You make me want to go back and study the classics again!!
Interesting article. It would be a bit early for me to do an objective analysis about what happened as its been an emotional week, to say the least. And my brother wants to go back again (third tour) at the age of 57. Anyway, its good to see that someone is thinking clearly and analysing the whys and hows. There are alot of questions with this case. However, I really believe that my conclusion will be (in the longer term) that the guy was insane…and suffered delusional victimization because of his background. Though, I am not a psycho trained. Was he really part of a planned, pre-meditated attack? I dont believe so, however, when the truth comes out…it may be true. Maybe eh?…. we shall see…
Thanks for the article.
To protest the:
“…US military…given its past politically-correct habits…”
— refuse any future teaching or speaking engagements at its military colleges.
I find it particularly offensive that President Barak Hussein Obama, waded right into the Graves incident, and quite willingly “rushed to judgment” by calling the policeman who arrested Obama’s black academic grievance monger buddy Graves “stupid,” but now tells us not to be hasty in our judgments and, says later, that he is at a loss to identify a motive—although he knows that it can’t be Islam, “The Religion of Peace”—for the mass murder, and not incidentally treason as well, deliberately planned and committed by a Muslim who praised suicide bombers and the killing of unbelievers, conducted an extensive months long correspondence with a wanted terrorist radical Imam with Al-Q ties, bought his guns weeks before he used them, and screamed “Alahu Akbar” as he killed the unbelievers who were his fellow soldiers.
From all indications, there will be no realistic reaction from the chain of command, either. Considering the number of “red flags” Hasan sent up for literally years before his self-assigned “martyrdom operation” (in which he did not entirely succeed, i.e. he is still alive), the major action from the higher-ups looks to be a full-on Charlie Yankee Able, mainly because of the possibility of more than a few flag officers facing an Article 154 apiece for Reckless Endangerment of Troops- by not taking action to separate Hasan from the troops much, much earlier.
clear ether
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“And do we need another Western “thinker” writing that our armed forces attacking suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban in Predator strikes is the equivalent of Hasan shooting uniformed soldiers – ”
I suppose they both could be viewed as acts of war. Except in the case of Hasan the assasin, he is a traitor, as well. I don’t see how that argument helps them.
Terrorism facilitated by the Obama administration’s political correctness,killed the Ft. Hood victims.
So I am tired of the use of the word “tragedy”—the Greeks’ original invention that grew out of a “goat song”. True, it has come to mean “calamity”, but tragedy’s essence is a central character, flawed rather than inherently evil, at war with, and at the mercy of, larger, immovable forces like fate, destiny, and the gods that overwhelm an Oedipus or Ajax—through a fatal flaw, hubris, or happenstance. The horrific resulting collision can bring education and even entertainment to an audience— Aeschylus’s “learning through pain.”
So what do you call these:
In the six years since combat operations began in Iraq, Fort Carson — the country’s third-largest Army base, with 22,000 active soldiers on duty — has become its own kind of killing field. Before Kevin Shields was gunned down, at least three other Iraq War veterans from the base had been arrested for murder, and a fourth had committed suicide after killing his wife. Since then, at least five more GIs at Fort Carson have been arrested in connection with murders, attempted murders or manslaughter. All told, the military acknowledged this summer, 14 soldiers from the base have been charged or convicted in at least 11 slayings since 2005 — the largest killing spree involving soldiers at a single U.S. military installation in modern history.
Your use of these current crop of deaths, and your complete disinterest in the others outs you as a cynical disgusting propagandist. I don’t think I’ve read writing more disrespectful of troops than yours, Hanson.
I agree with Thomas L, and with Austin bay. Thia was an act of treason.
Treason is the only crime to be defined in the body of the United States Constitution:
Article 3.
Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Even by this narrow definition, Hasan was certainly levying war against the United States. Although he murdered 13 people, his action was directed primarily against the United States- an act of war. “A continuation of foreign policy by other means,” as Carl von Clausewitz put it.
Only those who crave power and seek to evade responsibility for their deceit engage duplicitously in this crack-pot practice of The Protocols of Political Correctness. It hog-ties the innocent just long enough for the guilty make their escape, and do it all again.
The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing in the face of it.
I think the threshold for outrage has been ratcheted up by the legacy media. 13 dead, 30+ wounded will be set aside in short order. The media, even now, is moving on to the upcoming senate health care push. This attack is seen as an unwanted distraction, to be dismissed ASAP. Nothing to see here, unless, of course, some backlash incident occurs, allowing the media to focus on the intolerant, conservative America they wish to demonize.
“…the lone wolves will kill someone far distant and in twos and threes, or as in the Maryland Sniper and Fort Hood cases, tens and thirteens—until another 9/11 comes around and for two to three years shocks us out of our pretensions.”
The facts remain perfectly clear that innocent Americans have been killed by AQ or Islamic jihadits for several years and yet we still do nothing. And the killings will continue-abetted by progressives who because of their hatred of America see nothing wrong with these murders.
We have not done anything nor will we do anything as a result of this terrorist attack because there are enough stupid Americans who watch Chris Matthews, read the NYT, listen to ABC/CBS/NBC/NPR, and believe their college professors and all the MSM who preach that America is evil, we deserve all the horrors we get and our “chickens have come home to roost.”
And the Orwellian PC and multiculturalism that prevades and permeates our nation will continue to provide cover for our enemy.
To fight back would mean that-in a non-racialist manner-all Americans but mostly white Americans must re-take our nation. It means a revolution amongst ourselves before taking on the Islamist enemy.
15. blotto: “To fight back would mean that-in a non-racialist manner-all Americans but mostly white Americans must re-take our nation.”
Your message is not falling on deaf ears, Vic.
“Is that not an insult to the American people, to suggest hours after the killings that we have to be careful, as if not to give into our innate national tendencies to form posses of vigilantes roaming the country to kill Muslims—Americans being incapable of distinguishing a Major Hasan boasting about killing infidels from a Muslim neighbor talking over the fence about the dangers of crabgrass?”
So well said Victor. This is the type of response to be expected in the nanny state we have become, where we are viewed as uncivilized barbarian children who will rip each other to pieces without the guidance of those educated in expensive universities and law libraries. It most definitely is an insult in the same vein as the one accusing middle Americans of being “clingers”. Where were the masses of drunk, toothless vigilantes after 9/11? What historical evidence did Napolitano (who is a disgrace, but I digress) have that would lead her to believe battening down the hatches for an anti-Muslim backlash was the most important course of action at the time of her comments? How, in a country that is known as a melting pot for its diversity, could diversity become a casualty, as Genral Casey (another disgrace) suggested immediately afterwards?
Our leaders, and by extension we, have become prisoners of a PC climate that will set back relations between different groups for decades, if not forever. Now is a time for truth, not walking on eggshells and averting our eyes from the elephant in the room.
blotto: “To fight back would mean that-in a non-racialist manner-all Americans but mostly white Americans must re-take our nation.”
Your message is not falling on deaf ears, Vic.
Thank you for offering the most perfect example of what lays at the heart of your movement’s current pearl-clutching complaints of being called racists. Apparently, you don’t mind being racist. Its just being called the word that offends you. Shall we come up with another word, rather than re-define racism as “anything but what I do”? Let’s see; douchewad is taken. Pencil-Pen** also over-used. Little-Lobes would be a good word for you, but then how to make it into an ism? Tell ya what, you non-racialist champion of white people taking back the country, why don’t I call you an idiot for now? I’ll come up with something later that is an alternative to the racism charge for your racism soon, I promise.
#11.
Citation?
Also, Maj. Hasan was not an Iraq veteran; he was scheduled for deployment to Afghanistan.
PC psychobabble in this case is of no use to anyone. We have to be realistic, and part of being realistic is to acknowledge that the simplest answer to a question usually is the correct one.
On an unrelated matter: how far do you think this a$$clown would have gotten if service members at Ft. Hood had been allowed to carry sidearms?
Let’s cut to the chase. The (alleged) (suspected) (accused) WPOS is a scumbag. Hopefully we’ll keep him alive long enough to execute him. And I pray that his execution won’t be humane and painless. If he wants those 80 virgins, he’ll have to suffer. No pain, no gain. Beyond the politcally correct blather of the talking heads in the MSM, the only thing more ludicrous is Mayor Daley’s lament re gun control. I am anticipating a Jackson/Sharpton march on the Pentagons to round out the farce.
Obama is the wrong man, in the wrong place at the wrong time. We are in danger. He will not protect us. What is to be done???
An echo of Lockerbie:
“When a little girl dies of cancer,
it is a tragedy; When she is killed by
a terrorist bomb, it is an atrocity.”
MOHO
I don’t know what rock you currently reside under, but it is time that you returned to your birthright. You don’t belong here.
Victor Davis Hanson is spot on when he declares that we deserve more from our military and civilian leaders than platitudes and warnings not to blame all “Muslims” and shock about “unimaginable” crimes.
Crimes against americans from people like Nidal are imaginable to all but those who are charged with our protection.
moho’s rules:
1. Islam is always the victim.
2. When Islam isn’t a victim, see Rule #1.
Unimaginable? A Tragedy? The Secretary of the Army is most concerned about all-important diversity? The FBI, before investigating anything and before admitting that it had prior concerns, announces that whatever the incident was, it was certainly not terrorism? President Obama is most concerned that no one jump to conclusions, after, that is, giving a “shout out” to a CMH winner who didn’t, well, didn’t actually, you know, win the CMH. Such cool.
We find ourselves in post-racial, post-American, post-courage, post-common sense America. Hassan’s actions are clearly and easily imaginable to those who are capable of understanding that evil actually exists, rather than seeing it merely as a vague concept fit only for philosophical debate among the dim, lower classes. This is one of the greatest gaps between the self-styled “elite” and the rest of America, a gap that probably can never be bridged. After all, those who recognize the existence of evil are the same benighted souls who cling to God and guns and fear those who aren’t like themselves.
If one cannot conceive of the existence of evil, one cannot recognize the need for combatting it. Indeed, without evil, all misdeeds are, well, misdeeds, mere nuisances, social blunders fit to be ranked in severity according to the latest version of politically correct victimology. Thus is the killing of unarmed American soldiers a mere unimaginable tragedy, but a far, far greater tragedy would be the bruising of diversity, or perhaps the thinking of mean thoughts about muslims by those clods who can’t grasp the kind of nuance necessary to deny the very existence of evil.
We unsophisticated clods tend to think that when a muslim male kills and wounds many Americans–particularly soldiers–in an obviously planned attack while screaming “Allah Akbar,” it’s terrorism, an obvious continuance of the war long since declared on us by jihadists. When we learn that the FBI, Army and God knows how many other federal agencies were aware that the murderer had contact with terrorist recruiters, had investigated him, that he had a long history of jihadist behavior within the Army (?!) and told fellow Army officers that infidels should be beheaded, have burning oil poured down their throats and be set on fire, simple minds that we are, we tend to persist in the belief that it was an act of terrorism committed by a, well, a terrorist.
We also tend to think that he did it for rather simple minded reasons. He did it out of jihadist hatred and rage. He did it because he wanted to kill infidels, particularly Americans. He did it because he considered it his religious duty. He did it because he wanted to do it and he liked doing it. He did it because he was–and is–evil. Those of us so simple minded as to continue to cling to God even think that when he acted, when all jihadists act, Satan rejoiced. Yes, we morons believe he exists too.
How many more attacks will occur? Based on what the Obama administration is thinking and doing, scores. What will we do? Obama and his drooling followers fail to appreciate that American is still filled with Americans and that Americans will not abide such moral relativism forever. We’ll suffer a great deal, but one day, when our capacity for forbearance has been exceeded, we will not only put an end to the evil that plagues us, we will also put an end to those elected and appointed, unaccountable officials who refuse to admit that evil exists, and who sneer at those less sophisticated then themselves. In the end, Americans will defend America, and whatever panty-waisted internal security force the elite can assemble will suffer the fate of all those who have stood against America. We will, of course, do it within the bounds of democracy and the rule of law, unless those boundaries have been obliterated by those who would rule us.
Oh, and no muslim who merely wishes to live as an American who happens to practice the muslim faith need fear. We are indeed smart enough to tell the difference between them and those who would kill everyone.
Prof. Hanson writes: “Are we sort of to be sacrificed in dribbles of twos and thirteens?” I was sort of wondering about that myself. Our Constitution recognizes the need for an Army and a Navy of the United States in addition to the Militia of the several states. By law and precedent, the Army and Navy are not tasked with arrest and criminal prosecution of enemy soldiers. Under rules established by the Congress, they are tasked with defeating our national enemies. Historically, this has been accomplished by rendering the foe unable or unwilling to enter into combat with our forces. The duties of our armed forces are distinct from those of the federal and state militias, who enforce our laws. This distinction is recognized in the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. However, the presidential use of military force to supress insurrection is specifically authorized by Article I Section 8.
So we arrive at the question: What constitutes an insurrection? Are we currently experiencing one? If so, what should the President be doing about it? If the administration believes that we are going to be satisfied with post facto criminal prosecutions rather than preemptive actions when a band of insurrectionists are going around killing our wives and children, I suspect that they will be unpleasantly surprised. While the tipping point and our reaction are at present unknown, that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
Our enemies are waging war on our civilian population. The duty of the armed forces is to create such fear in the hearts of said enemies that they dare not continue attack us. Time for them to be about their task.
This constant drumbeat of “Don’t rush to judgement” and “We Can’t possibly know what caused him to do this” is going to cause a SNAP effect ammong the people.
At some point the tipping point will be hit and the BackLash is going to be Ugly.
There are 291,000,000 non muslims living in the U.S.
In a normal distribution fringe elements consist of four percent of any group.
That means approximately 11,000,000 potential backlash participants (that’s roughly 220,000 per state) caused, not by bad behavior on the part of U.S. Citizens, but by suppression of the obvious truth by leaders who are supposed to lead a free people, not substitute themselves for parents.
jd
Is Fort Hood a tragedy?
Does the pope wear a funny hat?
Not tragedy, evil (for all you non-judgmental morally-relative types, that means really, really uncool… you wouldn’t want it to happen to you, dig?). Kicking some once more, VDH!
Hanson is quite right in this essay. The idea of tragedy has been being misused by the marxist propaganda press for years, but the problem is much greater than that. The military turned the problem of Hasan over to the FBI (as they were required to do by regulation, not law), and the FBI did nothing.
Hasan was a jihadist, the Army, FBI, and White House are responsible for his act, and we are all the victims. All genuine Americans are the victims of a statist government.
I am seventy-two years old. I cannot move like I did when I was twenty. But I would do my best to do so if a new armed revolution would arise and I could join it. Our nation is being over-taken by Communists, Socialists and Fascists, all conspiring together to destroy the United States.
“So I am tired of the use of the word “tragedy”…..”
As have I ever since the application of the word to the events of 9/11.
To me, “tragedy” invokes a sense of “fate” in which nothing could have been done (or can be done) to avert whatever “tragic” event took place. It in essence removes the role of the human hand in bringing about the event in the first place.
A “tragedy” is what happens when a parent dies from cancer leaving a couple of young kids without a mom or dad. A “tragedy” is the destruction of a neighborhood after a tornado. A “tragedy” all too often results only in long sad faces, wringing hands, and passing the plate for the survivors. After all, what can one do besides buck up and move on? It’s all so…….tragic.
BS.
There’s nothing fraking TRAGIC about targeted mass-premeditated murder – and I don’t give a shiete whether we’re discussing radical Islam or anything else.
I would suggest “barbarity”.
We must not rush to judgment. We must not even saunter towards judgment. Judgment is out of question. We might be judged, you know. We must keep in mind that, since only one in five Muslims is committed to jihad, we must therefore condemn only the jihadi, and since it is impossible to do so until after they have Hasanated a dozen or so infidels, our policy is to not criticize at all, but find exculpations which make us feel good all over as we twitter over our lattes.
Meantime the Saudi-employed Wahabist imams, in all the Saudi-financed American mosques, are encouraging the jihadi to act soon and often, while the “moderates” listen in full awareness of the message directed at them: to protest jihad is to betray the Faith and to speak against the word of the Quran; it is to become an infidel, a target for jihad.
The voice of the Jihad is the voice of the Islamic Leadership – and that Leadership has long since declared open war on the Great Satan.
And, lo, they have discovered that the Great Satan is really the Great Wimp, the cowardly weakling, the dirty pig so besotted with hedonism that it won’t lift a pinky,and now in thrall to a President committed to the destruction of his county from another angle.
It is a great day to be a jihadi! You won’t get deliberately killed. You may spend a few years in a fancy jail. But you’ll still be a hero to us moderates. And when you get out, we’ll throw a big party for you.
Speaking of historical examples, we are just a lot of Dodo birds.
#11 moho the deviant Wahhabi mongoloid, whips out the “moral equivalence” card, which is the stock-in-trade of the TRUE propagandist:
“Your use of these current crop of deaths, and your complete disinterest in the others outs you as a cynical disgusting propagandist.”
In deference to your stunted powers of consanguineously-impaired reasoning, I will ‘splain that the individual acts of violence committed by individual soldiers, (and I’d advance the idea that acts of violence among soldiers are far fewer than among any other grouping of similar age cohort), were manifestly NOT done as politico/religious acts.
Your precious fellow Wahhabist Major Hasan committed a mass-murder of total strangers while howling “Allahu Akbar!”.
It’s not the same thing at all, unless your mentality has been as enfeebled by generations of Shari’a-sanctioned arranged marriage inbreeding as your morality has.
#18 Moho, taking a break from his hobby of serial buggery, (ever wonder why Muslims have to prostrate themselves in mosque? So that homo Wahabbists can check out their booties), to offer:
Shall we come up with another word, rather than re-define racism as “anything but what I do”? Let’s see; douchewad is taken. Pencil-Pen** also over-used. Little-Lobes would be a good word for you, but then how to make it into an ism? Tell ya what, you non-racialist champion of white people taking back the country, why don’t I call you an idiot for now? I’ll come up with something later that is an alternative to the racism charge for your racism soon, I promise.”
Well, let’s see there. Moho my little holy catamite, if we produced teevee shows that taught our children that Jews were descended from monkeys and pigs, then I guess you’d have to label us good Muslims, right?
I mean, that IS how the Saudi and Gulf States’ and the Palis’ version of PBS characterize the children of Isaac, is it not?
So I fail to see what you’re gettin’ all worked up over.
A jellabiyah or dishdasha would need nothing more than a peaked hood to feel right at home at a Klan cross-burning, y’know.
(Only lose the sandals, they’re waaaay too faggy for that crew to tolerate).
A friend of mine sent me this email, it is probably pretty common and been around before, but I suspect we might want to put a new twist on the multiple choices.
HERE’S THE TEST
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Long-haired pot head
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40 suffering from pre-traumatic stress disorder, Republicans in the White House for much of the next several decades
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 unable to cope with the strain of competition between nation states in which they saw medals as signs of warlike domination
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians interviewing candidates for kinetic Nobel Prizes, for potential future acts of valor they might commit
b. Elvis
c.. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 <strained by the invasion of infidels on their soil and unable to attend US universities on scholarship
4. During the 1980′s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. Gay Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 because the religion of peace doesn’t consider kidnapping a crime, sort of in the way that a Clinton doesn’t consider oral sex to be fooling around.
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b.. Pee Wee Herman
c.. Geraldo Rivera but when he was Jerry Rivers
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 blowing things up is simply misunderstood in the West, this is actually the jihadist version of Mr. Wizard, science experiments based upon Don Herbert as translated into al-jazeera
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremist s mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 the effects of being at sea for long periods of time can cause involuntary and sudden spasms, like trick elbows, which only LOOKED like the throwing of a handicapped gentleman into the sea
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 passenger rage related to no-frills flying is the cause of much consternation even today
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 yeah, but you never know who started it…the innocent passengers were alleged to be prejudiced
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jackson
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 and to prove that this was no accident…
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 didn’t they know that Kenya had some soon to be very famous relatives there?
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida and a hanging chad
c. Mr Coffee
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 an act that did NOT justify retaliation…ever…at all…against anyone
12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 because he was a grave threat to their manhood
13. The Pope was shot by:
a. Hippies
b. Sinead O’Connor
c. Republicans
d.Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Perhaps there is no pattern here. It is simply an illusion that one particular group of individuals is out marauding around the world, blowing up people, planes, buildings, kidnapping, beheading and generally acting like a sub-species of humans.
For heaven’s sake, let’s get to the “root causes” of these acts over the last few decades and blame it all on George Bush. When he was in college. Or high school. Let’s blame America…for the bombs in Spain. And England.
We need to analyze why we cause decent, honorable, gentle souls to strap dynamite to their chests and blow up an Israeli school bus…in order to kill children.
Lord knows…it isn’t because they have one green wire crossed with one yellow wire in their brainwashed minds, it is because we DESERVE it. Can’t be any other explanation. I mean…other than George Bush.
Moho @ #11:
By an extension of your logic, AQI blowing up 200 Muslims at a marketplace in Baghdad is no different than murder resulting from domestic strife.
Every child learns eventually to distinguish acts that are superficially similar by examining the underlying motivation. Did Johnny bump me intentionally or was it an accident? If intentional, why?
You’re an idiot, Moho. My eleven year old has more commonsense than you do. Keep floggin’ the narrative, though. The next generation may find it pathetic, but entertaining.
VDH:
“So what’s next?”
Obama’s wars appear to be wars of words. I suppose the next step is for Obama to deliver more transcending speeches. Eventually Obama will transcend the Earth and leave the details of living to mortals. Then he can join the Gods whose character and justice he divines.
Obama has abstracted the world into forms that have little utility. Yes, jumping to conclusions is bad, but what do we learn from repeating ‘wisdom’ that is cliche? Where is Obama’s confident, unique and insightful voice? If he ever finds it, it would be a welcome change from his nannying of us all…
Those, the President particularly, who refuse to identify the Fort Hood shootings as terrorism, do not understand Islam. Islam has two aspects; it is schizophrenic. One is belief in one God, not the Trinitarian God of Christianity; the other is that belief in that God must be imposed on non Islamists by force, if necessary, for no other reason than their own good. Islam spread across North Africa by the sword in the 8th century. It entered Spain only to be stopped by Charlemagneat the Pyrenees. It reached the gates of Vienna in the mid fifteenth century also by force of arms. Consider the woman caught in the act of adultery, as set forth in the Gospel of John (Chapter 8). Mosaic law called for stoning, as the men who brought the woman to Jesus remarked. They asked Christ, “What do you say?” Christ did not reply but began writing on the ground with his finger. The accusers continued, so Christ stood up and said, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” And one by one the accusers went away, leaving the woman alone. Christ asked her, “Where are they? Has no one condemned you.” Her reply, “No one, sir.” Then Christ said, “Neither do I.” One does not have to be an expert in Islamic culture to know that women in Islam are lesser members. Adultery is still punished by stoning (just the woman of course). Islam is a harsh religion and violence is very much a part of it.
18. MOHO
Go about your task as you please, who really cares. You have obviously been duped into believing in your victimhood that you can’t see the Liberty forest for the statist trees. Oh, that’s right…most “minorities” in this country have been duped and used in a similar manner which is the root of blotto’s comment. Your myopia and narrowmindedness preclude that reality crossing your synapses. You’re ignorant if you believe blotto is a racist. Why don’t you moveon (dot soros) where someone can wipe the dribble from your chin.
Mingus:
MOHO
I don’t know what rock you currently reside under, but it is time that you returned to your birthright. You don’t belong here.
You might as well have told me how helpless you feel to defend your own beliefs before a reasoning human. If you haven’t noticed, telling me I don’t belong here, is probably the greatest compliment you could pay me.
Shorter Bilgeman. I am served.
I have an idea, Bushmaster was sued and settled for the victims of the beltway sniper attacks. The victims and families involved in the Fort Hood massacre should file a suit against the mosque that Hasan attended. They preach and spread the poison which motivated Hasan, shouldn’t they be held responsible?
“Something has gone terribly wrong in the entire reaction to the Ft. Hood massacres…”
The terrible truth: this reaction shows increased denial and self-delusion since 9/11, instead of marking progress toward a better grasp of the threat.
Moho actually proves Hanson’s point – look at the clear language used in those horrible events. Then look at the vague, PC, unclear and inconsistent language used in the Ft. Hood murders. Moho did a good job ferreting that out.
That the liberal establishment, its politicians and media and their supporters cannot distinguish tragedy from atrocity is a clear indicium of how far they’ve succeeded in degrading political discourse, and more generally the American polity. And that is exactly how tragedy comes. The Nemesis rising to meet this level of Hubris is going to God-awful. At the rate the liberals are going, there won’t even be any sackcloth, just ashes.
Brooks
“1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:”
One minor point, Sirhan Sirhan, the man who shot Robert Kennedy, is from a part of the world where Muslim culture predominates, but by religion he’s Christian…and always was.
37. TLM: said
‘Moho @ #11:
…Every child learns eventually to distinguish acts that are superficially similar by examining the underlying motivation. Did Johnny bump me intentionally or was it an accident? If intentional, why?’
Every dog owner realizes that even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and intentionally kicked, and also owns the ability to react accordingly. In other words, can see beyond superficial similarities. moho…well…not so much.
Poor Citizen wrote:
And my brother wants to go back again (third tour) at the age of 57
Your brother, I take it, is a military physician, because I don’t imagine he could be on active duty if he were not.
(Military folks, correct me if I am wrong.)
Poor Citizen, I believed you to be a troll when you first showed up at PJM and I treated you pretty harshly. I still disagree with you frequently – but please give my regards to your brother. I am grateful for his service and the service of all US veterans.
As for Ft. Hood, I agree with Austin Bay: Hasan committed an act of treason.
Oh, it was a tragedy alright. But it was the military brass and intelligence agencies, wrapped in their PC mindset, with the fatal flaw.
number 49 donna v.
1. he is a military reservist. so no rules on his job. he (as usual) wants to take the place of a younger guy.
2. I am the active guy. served 26 years ( retired in 98) so I dont do reservist crap. I served my time (three wars).
3. Im a a Troll?.. Thanks for the compliment.
4. As for fort hood hunny, you wouldnt even know what a real hood wuz…
My care meter is pegged right now so please….please spare me…and all the patriots your explanation of ignorance..
thanks
Lars Olfen, your diatribe might be more effective if you actually had referred to anything I wrote. If you want to make a comment on a specific issue, you’re welcome to. I guarantee you, you’ll get served.
Every dog owner realizes that even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and intentionally kicked, and also owns the ability to react accordingly. In other words, can see beyond superficial similarities. moho…well…not so much.
What the hell are you talking about? This comment makes no sense from any perspective. I’d call your fourth grade teacher and get your money back.
What Hasan really did was commit an act of war, and when you realize that “moderate muslims” are really those that follow the peaceful components of Islam that have been borrowed from Christianity, you’ll know who the enemy is.
Mo? ( apparently a ho – but who am I to deny him his business.)
The quote is from Pres. LBJ.
“Even a hound dog knows the difference between being kicked and being stumbled over.”
For those of limited perception?
The second is easily forgivable. The first loses the dogs trust.
“Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.”
Ft Hood sound like a tragity to me in that tine insane Democrats got elected and the Peaurucrats went back to their pre-9/11 ways even before Obama started appointing Czars! Now Obama being in office that is tragic!
I liked the line about the crabgrass!
But don’t fret, MSNBC’s Chrystia Freeman is comforted that diversity will be maintained at all costs in the military despite this unfortunate, tragic misshap, and she has assurances that the military’s devotion to it’s policy of diversity will endure during this uncertain time when events threaten to destabilize it;
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/11/10/fts-freeland-comforted-hasan-case-not-reducing-militarys-devotion-
“I’d call your fourth grade teacher and get your money back.”
Shmoho, when I pointed out that I have a much higher IQ than you you responded that I would have to be stupid to make that claim. Yet almost every single post you make denigrates the intelligence of those who disagree with you. So by you’re own “logic” you are an idiot. What’s it like to go through life wearing a big “FAIL” sign?
When did the Gorelick Wall go back up again? Multiple Military authorities and agencies knew before the fact this guy was a ticking time bomb. So did the FBI. Hasan engaged in foreign activities covered by 1978′s FISA provisions, so what did the CIA know, and when did they all know, and share it with each other?
Looking at the goggle-eyed photos of Major Hasan, any casual TV viewer can see there’s Something F*cking Wrong With Him. And I’ve never met an unmarried 40 year old Muslim. So it was obvious to everyone, Christian, Jewish and Islamic, that Hasan was a mess.
The danger is the judgement that left this monster in place.
Dr. Hanson is right, there needs to be a massive investigation into the care and feeding of Hasan. Who decided to send him to medical school? Who decided to keep him in the military? Who decided to deploy (ie, dump) his crazy ass in Fort Hood/Iraq?
Hasan will likely be hung and forgotten. But the individuals at Walter Reed who brought him along must be held responsible.
Everybody here understands that Moho is short for Mohommad, yes? Seriously. Notice the extra shrillness and defensiveness in his comments on the Ft. Hood Terrorist Jihadi Attack? Notice the particular recoil from the dog analogy above (Muslims no likey-likey dogs). Regardless of what this idiot says, he can not change the fact that his culture took a U-Turn from modernity centuries ago when they thought it was enlightening to follow a so-called prophet who raped girls; beheaded people for sh@ts and giggles, subjugated their women and basically pissed off and/or frightened every neighboring culture since. Never underestimate the illogical derangement springing from the well of self-loathing and envy.
Memo to FBI,
Please remember that rational thought is not a hate crime. Also, it might be a good idea to run a trace on “Moho” and find out if the mosque this jackal attends is one of the ten percent or higher that are fomenting radical hatred for their host culture. If you’ve read this clown’s comments its even odds for an “instant jihad moment” within a year’s time. Also, pay particular attention to Muslims in strip clubs as this is the final blow-off of their uber-repressed tortured twisted souls before they head into their final frontier (and their eternal garbage pickup duty in Satan’s Sanitation Service – sorry, lads, no virgins for you scumbags, now get back on the truck!)
Some observations: 1) Has any one noticed that Anwar Al-Awlaki, as quoted by VDH above, equates islam with terrorism? “The US is leading a war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam.” I am surprised that “Moho” did not pick up on that statement.—- Pesky footnotes.
2) Did anyone else cringe when the commanding general of Ft. Hood referred to site of the massacre as “the crime scene”?
3) And has anybody wondered what the reaction would have been if a WW II Nisei U S Army medical officer had acted as did Major Hasan?
4) Of course, Dr. Hasan is psycho—- only the nut house and no firing squad for him— I doubt he went took the trouble to get his education so he could infiltrate the military. The Bolsheviks that infiltrated the Czar’s Russian Army worked to subvert the military to their own ends.
5) Finally, #36, cfbleacher: You forgot the USS Cole bombing in October 2000.
MOHO please provide links which show that all the other incidents which you referred to were committed by people who were deeply religious and who had a history of supporting and propagandising other fanatics of THEIR religions Terrorist actions and atrocities and who gave away copies of their religious texts just prior to shooting and shouted “my God is GREATEST’ or any other similar epithet as they shot.
Then and ONLY then can you start to compare like with like. So please stop the Taqqiya Bullsh1t no one believes you. You are pathetic.
Now and Then bleats ‘Tragedy’ like some ancient Bee Gee. Here is the dictionary definition of TRAGEDY “: a disastrous event : calamity b : misfortune”. It was not a TRAGEDY you Jive Talking moonbat it was a blatant act of Islamic TERRORISM committed by a TRAITOR. The results of this TRAITOROUS TERRORIST action were certainly tragic for the victims but the action was not in itself a tragedy which would imply it was simply an unfortunate event which was unavoidable. Ignorant Islamophile Moonbats like you ARE the problem not the solution.
Islam, Multi Culturism, Political Correctness and Left Wing Islamophile moonbats many of whom can be seen trolling constantly on here spewing their Islamophile PC MC moonbat nonsense will be the death of America.
Especially now you have a Mohammedan America hating President.
MOHO
Exit. You are a pestilence. You are not wanted. You are an irritating pustule, a scabrous wart, a festering hemorrhoid. What you believe is great intellect and clever reparetee, is adolescent blather. You are out of your league. It’s the wrong playground for you. What exactly is it about get lost that you don’t understand? You’re all about ME ME ME. You have a masochistic need to be antagonistic. Possible , if Major Hasan cops a plea, he’ll be able to take you on as a patient. It would be a good fit.
Hindu India had been under muslim rule for over 700 years and what is the result?
“The Mohammadan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.” – Will Durant
They are doing it from within.
I don’t believe the same person wrote #5 and #51.
I stand corrected on my use of the word ‘tragedy’ in a previous post to a previous article.
We use the word pretty flexibly in Australia but VDH’s call for more accurate word choice resonates with me.
So here’s a list of more accurate terms: murder, treason, crime, act of war, cowardice, evil.
I don’t think there’s any need to be cautious about using such terms, when that’s what’s happened here, do you?
Men who will not call evil by its name will, while endeavoring to “understand” its many manifestations’ “motivations,” waste as many lives as evil, all the while, chooses to take.
And when, my dear Doctor Hanson, might your publisher expect the manuscript of “USArabia: A Nation State of Becoming??
Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels – Calif0zerocated 90028
And the Very Far Abroad
To a left-wing mindset, all imagined solutions are ‘therapeutic’. When nations go to war, their solution is to ‘mediate’ through endless diplomacy, even if it makes us look weak. When a crime happens, it must have been caused by the ills of society, and the way to fix it is to be more lenient to the poor fellow who had to resort to crime. When terrorism happens, it must be because of something really awful that we, the victims, did ourselves, so we must apologize for being attacked.
Moho, in #52, you challenge someone to make a good argument, then in the very next post (#53, in case you are math challenged, too) you turn tail and run from a good argument. What a hoot. You are embarrassing yourself, even more than usual.
p.s. I know you will read this and respond. I, on the other hand, have a life and will not revisit. I’ve wasted a precious thirty seconds on you, far more than you are worth.
‘This comment makes no sense from any perspective.’
I would bet the farm that everyone else reading it, whether considering it stand alone or in context with the comment it was in response to, understood it.Moho…well…the uber intelligent moho appears to be challenged extracting meaning that is immediately obvious to the most casual of observers.
14 DEAD – Pfc. Francheska Velez, 21, 3 months pregnant. Let us not forget that little one – God bless them all.
53. Moho:
“What the hell are you talking about? This comment makes no sense…”
Most aphorisms contain little bits of knowledge/commonsense easily understood by, say, older elementary school children. That you don’t understand this one and it’s application to the Fort Hood shootings is not surprising.
Our dead and wounded soldiers at Hood were not victims of circumstance, of some wayward good soul enraged by people denigrating his religion. They were murdered by a jihadist plain and simple. Only a fool by believe otherwise.
ONE guy, apparently on his own (since these emails to the terror imam have not turned up much, in an act of terror, treason, psychosis, whatever, shot and killed 13 and wounded thirty more. Now, groups of talking heads debate if other groups of talking heads are using the right language. Since we can’t do much more than try and execute Hasan, investigate the army, we just blather on.
If we were to respond to Hasan’s “act of war,” what would we do? Who do we invade, that we haven’t already invaded?
Talk softly and carry a big stick, has been replaced by “talk loudly and endlessly” and talk about if the other side is talking correctly. Blah, blah.
It is a sad day in Gotham City (given all that is known of this treasonous act of terrorism) when our government and media creates doubt in a gullible populace by positing and endless stream of politically correct falsehoods and doubt, rather than being truthful to what is obviously, the simple truth.
Dear Pajamas Media,
Please get moho out of here.
There are many people who hate America not the least of which inhabit the Whitehouse. They don’t particularly mind Americans dying, America losing, or America falling.
They like it. They see it as retribution.
Too bad if the USA does the right thng and profiles jihadists… employment at the ACLU will increase.
Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddists aren’t the reason we stand in lines at the airport, take off our belts and shoes, and give up toothpaste tubes and hand cream.
41. Moho.
Mingus: commented –
MOHO
I don’t know what rock you currently reside under, but it is time that you returned to your birthright. You don’t belong here.
“You might as well have told me how helpless you feel to defend your own beliefs before a reasoning human.”
Reasoning human being? Are you lowering yourself to human status? Are you not a Platonic Ideal residing in an unknowable untouchable realm viewing an imperfect humanity as a reflection in your funhouse mirror?
“If you haven’t noticed…”
Thank yourself for reminding yourself about your need to be noticed – in a negative way.
“…telling me I don’t belong here, is probably the greatest compliment you could pay me.”
Are you feeling sorry for yourself?
52. Moho.
“…if you actually had referred to anything I wrote. If you want to make a comment on a specific issue, you’re welcome to. I guarantee you, you’ll get served.”
Tell me about Van Jones and your relationship that you have with him.
Which Moho is it, Moho or moho?
#11 Moho. Here goes Moho again.
“Your use of these current crop of deaths, and your complete disinterest in the others outs you as a cynical disgusting propagandist. I don’t think I’ve read writing more disrespectful of troops than yours, Hanson.”
Moho, are you sure you want to introduce the topic of shootings of African Americans by African Americans and shootings of Americans by illegal aliens and every other type of shooting into this discussion. If you do, perhaps you should start your own blog. You will need a lot of bandwidth. This Hanson piece is about a traitorous, war criminal and murderer in spite of efforts by people like you to claim it is something else.
But, Moho, I have a terrible confession to make. Yesterday, at a mall, I saw a person clothed in traditional Muslim garb. Just for an instant, I almost viewed him with suspicion. Can you ever forgive me, my deeply caring but foxy friend?
The quote is from Pres. LBJ.
Oh, the confusion came from the fact that you are illiterate.
Gary Rosen
Thanks for another opportunity to demonstrate your stupidity:
Shmoho, when I pointed out that I have a much higher IQ than you you responded that I would have to be stupid to make that claim.
Yes. You can’t prove on line that you are smarter than me, much less that your IQ is higher. First thing, you don’t know my IQ [I doubt you know your own. They can't have made a test sensitive enough to pick up your brain's feeble emanations]. You can only prove that you are reasonably intelligent or stupid. You have never proven the former, though you seem happy to demonstrate the latter.
Yet almost every single post you make denigrates the intelligence of those who disagree with you. So by you’re own “logic” you are an idiot.
Do you see the difference here? Claiming that I have an IQ higher than others on line is indeed, stupid. However calling others stupid is not the same as claiming I am smarter than them. Indeed, in each case, I’ve proven that their arguments are not based on reason or logic and are poorly informed. Putting forth such arguments is what we usually refer to as stupid in our culture. I don’t know what they do in the Ozarks. See, I can’t prove that last comment–I have no idea whether you live in the Ozarks, Appalachia or some swamp in Mississippi. Similarly, you can’t prove that your IQ is higher than mine without revealing your identity. Only an idiot would claim a such thing.
The bottom line is you can’t hang here little boy. You don’t have the intellectual prowess. I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings. But since you disgusting people seem to spend most of your time complaining that people of color with no ability are taking away your jobs and pushing your children aside in school, I take a very well earned victory lap every time I demonstrate how obviously stupid you really are. I’m one of those people pushing you out of the way, but like most of us, I’m doing it because we’re smarter than you. Served.
Tragedy occurs when noble minds take pains to enumerate the limited powers of government, only to have their successors putting more faith in themselves than in the wisdom of the ages to use penumbras, formed by emanations arising thitherward wherefrom to make laws levying taxes on the air we exhale.
Treason “against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” [III-3, Constitution of the United States]
Dhimmitude ensues when our historic first Islamic apostate president, vested with the power of CinC, leaves destitute our soldiers at war abroad, gives aid and comfort to jihadists at home, and assures we will never know why this is happening to us.
There is something systemically wrong in the Arab Muslim world that our politicians are frightened to talk about for fear of being labeled colonialists and racists. That is that the Arab world has contributed absolutely nothing to the betterment of the world for hundreds of years, and it is Islam that is responsible for their failure to compete with the west. The Arab world cannot even produce bicycles, let alone sophisticated computers and other high technology products. Without oil, the combined exports of the entire Arab world is pathetic.
Islam, more than any of the other major religions denies a clear dichotomy between the state and religion. 21st century countries are run using 8th century norms. Unless Islam itself is modernized, and a majority of the Muslim world embraces modernization, I suspect that this trend will continue ad infinitum. The net effect of an inability to modernize will exacerbate the Arab worlds paranoia toward the west and hatred toward America and Israel. If left unchecked, we are heading for a terrible disaster in the very near future.
Of course, if we allow the left in America to dominate our national polity and define our culture as it is doing now, we are also headed for disaster. A self loathing west, led by a radicalized U.S. administration, will perpetually deny the obvious truths, and seek accommodation with our enemies. Our enemies sensing our self loathing and weakness will exploit our dysfunction by continuing to look outward for the reasons for their failed societies, rather than look inward and see that it is by their own hand that their societies have failed.
We as a society have been dumbed down the last forty years to doubt our own American exceptionalism. With a fifth column cadre of billionaires feeding the ravenous coffers of far left progressive radical groups and institutions, we have a very long and difficult task to return balance and common sense to our country, where our students are taught the uniqueness and greatness of our 235 year experiment in our democratic republic.
The real tragedy, MOHO is that you survived the abortion. I know that that might seem harsh, but you need to think of what’s best for society.
The liberal reaction to Ft. Hood constitutes in effect a declaration of civil war against the rest of the U.S.A. We now know–if we didn’t know already–who the enemy is: liberals who are so fundamentally against the U. S. defending itself that its first concern is whether or not those who politically disagree with them may react to this attack as “Islamaphobes.”
The Obama crew is the most treasonous since the presidency of James Buchanan, during whose administration members of his own cabinet conspired while located in the city of Washington the furthering the cause of secession and insurrection.
The Ft. Hood massacre may be the trip-point for the outing of Obama and liberals who support him necessary to galvanize this nation into resistance–by whatever means necessary–against people with the political power granted by being members of the U. S. federal government to use this power to attack an American population which it–rightfully–sees as not political opponents but ideological enemies.
The fact of the matter is that liberals have no bowels for a fight to defend this country. For them, the only use of the American population is for what it can contribute financially to their coffers. Failing that use, they don’t care a whit what happens to them.
There is also fear here: liberals can only react to the repeated verbal attacks on America from the pulpits of Islamist trash–in which Islamist imams announce ad nauseam their purpose to kill as many Americans as possible in the most vicious way possible–by retreating into the rhetoric of righteous indignation and fingerpointing.
Liberals are cowards of the worst sort, because they are constitutionally unable to contemplate within their own minds what Islamists mean by their verbal and physical attacks. For them, the only enemies they can deal with are those they can attack verbally. Failing that, they are helpless, impotent, fatuous, pathetic, and wholly contemptible.
I don’t know why my last comment did not make it past the moderator here. Let me rephrase it:
What we had here, as far as we can tell (and we should look strenuously to determine whether or not he had other accomplices) was (apparently) ONE man, acting on his own. If he is a “terrorist,” he is not part of a larger group, which would mean there are no co-conspirators to go after.
Obviously, single man operations from serial killers to terrorists are the toughest to stop because there is no one to rat them out.
With 9/11 there was clearly a group and a lot of planning. Not so here, so whether is was one man going nuts or a one-man terrorist gang, splain to me what the huge distinction is.
I find this so troubling in several ways. How did this get past the FBI, the Army, the people who heard this man rave about his beliefs? Why is everyone, from the Army generals to the president, to the FBI being so particular with their choice of words when describing the root cause of the event? This guy was, bottom line, an Islamic terrorist and he shot and killed people in cold blood. It was not a tragedy, it was terrorism so why is no one really addressing it? If we never get to the bottom of it, if there are no full-blown investigations with all the answers, then I am afraid for our country and will question the integrity of our intelligence networks. I think we should be very worried.
#80 Ron Kean “Please get moho out of here.” I share your frustration with Moho but I must politely disagree with you only so that the absolute vacuity of what he says is open to criticism and what he posits is held to ridicule and utter contempt in public forums.
Im wondering-why does MOHO chose to use such a name? Is MO short for MO ham head? and why MO HO? are you like Monica Lewinsky or pornstar Jenna Jameson, MOHO? Why choose such a name, except if you are a bought and paid for Soros idiot?
By the wAY DR Hansen- a “tragedy” is such as say, Hamlet, or a hurricane or other natural disaster. The doggy poodle media wants to call Malik Nidal Hasan a “tragedy”? NOT. hASAN IS NOTHING BUT A POSTER BOY FOR ISLAMIC SUPREMACY. Hasan is part of the culture of ISLAM that PROPMOTES violence to advance Islam. There is no “radical Islam”. There is SUPREMEMACIST Islam. This is NOT the first time Islam has done this throughout its slimy history. Every half century or so Islam goes on a Calpihate kick. This is the 3rd such attempt by ISLAM to establish ISLAMIC SUPREMACY, otherwise known as a worldwide caliphate. The first was stopped in 732AD by Charles Martel. The second such attempt was stopped at Vienna in 1609 by polish king Joseph Sobieski, after Islam had conquered the Eastern Roman empire and helped PERPETUATE the BUBONIC PLAGUE. Read there OWN WORDS. They HATE everything not moslem. No wonder they CANT GET ALONG WITH ANYBODY. They dont want to.
84. Moho.
This is classic.
“I’ve proven that their arguments are not based on reason or logic…”
“Yes. You can’t prove on line that you are smarter than me, much less that your IQ is higher. First thing, you don’t know my IQ [I doubt you know your own.”
So what.
“Indeed, in each case, I’ve proven that their arguments are not based on reason or logic and are poorly informed.”
Indeed, in each case. Always proven. Always. Reason or logic. Mutually exclusive?
“Putting forth such arguments is what we usually refer to as stupid in our culture. I don’t know what they do in the Ozarks.”
No kidding?
“See, I can’t prove that last comment–I have no idea whether you live in the Ozarks, Appalachia or some swamp in Mississippi.”
“We”. To whom am I Speaking? Are people who live in those regions stupid because they live in those regions? Swamp in Mississippi? Hey, tell that to all the blacks in Hattiesburg. Don’t you have a special place in your world for black people? Maybe a plantation? In Mississippi? Tell that to Van Jones.
“Similarly, you can’t prove that your IQ is higher than mine without revealing your identity. Only an idiot would claim a such thing.”
“Only an idiot…” Jeez, maybe Gary Rosen is Superman.
“The bottom line is you can’t hang here little boy.” Superman can’t? What?
“I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” And “You don’t have the intellectual prowess.”
Really? Abhor? Then you proceed to point them out. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, idiot, idiot, idiot, idiot, moron, non-Moho.
“But since you disgusting people seem to spend most of your time complaining that people of color with no ability are taking away your jobs and pushing your children aside in school…” “I take a very well earned victory lap every time…”
You must do many laps. So many stupid people, so little time! What is your body fat ratio? Are “white” people people too? “Well earned”? Where the hell did that come from?
“I demonstrate how obviously stupid you really are.” Shouldn’t that be “we demonstrate”?
“I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.”
Right.
Of course you did point out the difference. I disagree. On cue, all together now, all Mohos in unison, You’re stupid!!!! Quite a chorus. Does your mirror sing too?
“I’m one of those people pushing you out of the way…” Did you say that?
“…and pushing your children aside in school…” Did you say this too? Lot of pushing here. Are you a Seeds fan?
And then the singular confirmed with the plural, mixed in with the bandwagon propaganda technique.
“but like most of us, I’m doing it because we’re smarter than you. Didn’t you say, “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.”? Oh. Normally…?
Making the abnormal normal. Whatever. Only in Moho world.
“Thanks for another opportunity to demonstrate your stupidity:”
Do you live through other people who are stupid and disgusting, taking laps at their supposed lack of “intellectual prowess”? Secondhand existence? Predicated on the stupidity of others?
Bring back moho. This Moho is doesn’t know Van Jones.
Something is happening here and you don’t what it is, do you, Mr. Moho. The song describes you well.
BULLSEYE again, Dr. Hanson! My late Father and uncles were infantrymen during WWII, all stationed in Europe (Belgium, Italy, France). They, and millions of others, didn’t fight and die for this PC insanity of postwar America. I’m a mother of three and am seriously wondering what their future is going to be; sadly, many “friends” of mine have a serious disconnect with reality and don’t see the danger we’re in. Or just don’t care? I’ll keep posting your pieces on Facebook and re-tweeting them (if I can figure that out), but I think we need MEN – REAL MEN – like you to represent us in government. Because most of our politicos are also disconnected from reality.
Re: #89 Dwight
As Jesus used to say “Thou hast said it.” The difference between “one man going nuts” and “a one-man terrorist gang” is the difference between one man going nuts and a one-man terrorist gang.
I suspect what you really mean is that “from the outside” how can the observer tell the difference? Okay, if that’s what you’re getting at, then my riposte comes in two parts:
(1) Objectively, the guy whose murders are politically-motivated can have a number of purposes, one of which is to scare the hell out of people. Clearly, as I said in my comment #88, this man has succeeded, because he’s scared the hell out of American liberals.
(2) Subjectively, the difference between the nut-case and the terrorist can be taken either as (A it makes no difference because one man’s allah-driven jihadist is someone else’s nut case–your point, I’m supposing.
Or (B) there is a difference, and you can tell the difference by looking at the surrounding, concomitant evidence. E.g., if he says “I am the forerunner of the Apocalypse and I’m here to kill people,” you look around you for other people saying the same thing. No people doing that? Okay, the guy’s nuts.
Au contraire, if he says “I’m a jihadist out to kill infidel Americans,” and you look around you and you discover–damn!–there’s a small host of people saying and doing the same thing, then–watch my every move here–he’s a jihadist.
Next time, ask a hard one.
84. Moho.
This is classic.
“I’ve proven that their arguments are not based on reason or logic…”
“Yes. You can’t prove on line that you are smarter than me, much less that your IQ is higher. First thing, you don’t know my IQ [I doubt you know your own.”
So what.
“Indeed, in each case, I’ve proven that their arguments are not based on reason or logic and are poorly informed.”
Indeed, in each case. Always proven. Always. Reason or logic. Mutually exclusive?
“Putting forth such arguments is what we usually refer to as stupid in our culture. I don’t know what they do in the Ozarks.”
No kidding?
“See, I can’t prove that last comment–I have no idea whether you live in the Ozarks, Appalachia or some swamp in Mississippi.”
“We”. To whom am I Speaking? Are people who live in those regions stupid because they live in those regions? Swamp in Mississippi? Hey, tell that to all the blacks in Hattiesburg. Don’t you have a special place in your world for black people? Maybe a plantation? In Mississippi? Tell that to Van Jones.
“Similarly, you can’t prove that your IQ is higher than mine without revealing your identity. Only an idiot would claim a such thing.”
“Only an idiot…” Jeez, maybe Gary Rosen is Superman.
“The bottom line is you can’t hang here little boy.” Superman can’t? What?
“I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” Then “You don’t have the intellectual prowess.”
Really? Abhor? Then you proceed to point them out. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, idiot, idiot, idiot, idiot, moron, non-Moho.
“But since you disgusting people seem to spend most of your time complaining that people of color with no ability are taking away your jobs and pushing your children aside in school…” “I take a very well earned victory lap every time…”
You must do many laps. So many stupid people, so little time! What is your body fat ratio? Are “white” people people too? “Well earned”? Where the hell did that come from?
“I demonstrate how obviously stupid you really are.” Shouldn’t that be “we demonstrate”?
“I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.” “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.”
Of course you did point out the difference. I disagree. On cue, all together now, all Mohos in unison, You’re stupid!!!! Quite a chorus. Does your mirror sing too?
” I’m one of those people pushing you out of the way…” Did you say that?
“…and pushing your children aside in school…” Did you say this too? Lot of pushing here. Are you a Seeds fan?
And then the singular confirmed with the plural, mixed in with the bandwagon propaganda technique.
“but like most of us, I’m doing it because we’re smarter than you. Didn’t you say, “I normally abhor pointing out people’s intellectual short-comings.”? Oh. Normally…?
Making the abnormal normal. Whatever. Only in Moho world.
“Thanks for another opportunity to demonstrate your stupidity:”
Do you live through other people who are stupid and disgusting, taking laps at their supposed lack of “intellectual prowess”? Secondhand existence? Predicated on the stupidity of others?
Bring back moho. This Moho is doesn’t know Van Jones.
Something is happening here and you don’t what it is, do you, Mr. Moho. The song describes you well.
One letter to Bill O’Reilly was amazingly astute. “If Hasan had blown himself up, rather than using a gun, would there be any question as to whether this was an act of terrorism?” Nailed it!
VDH – You’re right. We need to use the right terminology to define these things. I scream at my TV every time I hear the word tragedy, which implies that shit just happens.
The correct word is Atrocity. Let’s make people use this word in all its ugliness. 9/11 was an Atrocity! The Fort Hood Massacre was an Atrocity! Genocide is an Atrocity! The Holocaust was an Atrocity! It is a word for the most heinous of crimes against humanity; the worst butchery; the horrific slaughters. Atrocity!
Oh, one more thing. It is not murder! It is Treason! Why is he being charged with murder? He should be brought up before a Court-Martial for treason. Then, he has far less options. The case doesn’t drag on for years. The execution is swift and certain. Summary execution by firing squad. Highly satisfactory justice. Kill the bastard!
Mingus:
The real tragedy, MOHO is that you survived the abortion. I know that that might seem harsh, but you need to think of what’s best for society.
Doesn’t seem harsh at all. Were I you, I would wish the person constantly making a fool out of me had never been born as well. Why don’t you cry now and let it out?
There were plenty of Southern soldiers trapped in blue uniforms as their home states voted themselves into a new federation, and out the the Union, then only a few generations old (85 years to be exact). We see no instances though of Southerners staying in the Federal ranks only to explode later with the Rebel Yell on their lips as they started shooting their mates in a horrific sneak attack. The Nisei Japanese Americans did not do it in WWII or the Germand Americans formerly the proud members of some local Bund. I think any such instance would be impossible in the face of the deep shame that would have befallen the perpetrator, not only in his own eyes, but in the perception to be expected from his fellows, both enemy and friend. Benedict Arnold let his jealousy and need to elevate himself in the eyes of his Tory wife, as well as the conviction the cause was lost, blind him to the coming shame, which befell him soon enough.
I mention this because it well appears that Muslims of the stripe that includes Hasan seem to have no sense of shame, such as would have and did dissuade those others. But to invoke God’s name as you break a Holy Oath you took to God to do all you can do to protect your fellow soldiers, Well there is no greater shame than that. Because of that shame now manifest in all its blazing infamy, Hasan should be dead to all of us forever, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists and Druids all. He is, was and will always be NOTHING, and that is how we should regard him as we now bar him from our memories forever.
88@Voltimand:
Can you enlighten us how the mutual self-destruction of christian and islamic nutters is a bad thing? Going forward, it would seem essential to the survival of the species.
Tragedy at Ft. Hood is that professionals and nonbelievers were caught in up in this lame religious war instigated by catholics.
Dr. Hanson, What the Ft. Hood incident indicates is massively disturbing. Why were more than 40 military people unarmed on a US military base? I teach Russian Martial Art, and its principles teach survival in a martial situation. We have mocked sanity far too long. The Army is repulsed at the idea of arming its own against all evil, even evil within. Why can’t the Army have martial awareness, and simply and effectively… gun up? We have mocked the laws of survival, the laws of sanity. All to the harm of the last bastion of sanity, our US military.
Have You Mocked?
By Robert Winkler Burke
Copyright 12/18/04
Have you mocked what’s going on today?
Have you thanked God you don’t serve,
In Iraq with Allied soldiers too dumb,
To dodge their calling and swerve?
Have you mocked those students today,
Wearing those uniforms who serve,
In ROTC and Scouts – too slow,
To dodge their calling and swerve?
Have you mocked your future today,
And buried deep your desire to serve,
Because making yourself happy now is,
To dodge your calling and swerve?
Have you mocked your eyes today,
And followed blind fools who serve,
Themselves on the throne and teach,
To dodge your calling and swerve?
Have you mocked your spirit today,
And fed it dark things that serve,
Abominable lies and thoughts designed,
To dodge your calling and swerve?
Have you mocked your soul today,
With cool hate and icy nerve,
In brazen enmity and banal bliss,
To dodge your calling and swerve?
Have you mocked the truth today,
And agreed with the world that serves,
The lie that good is evil and evil good,
To dodge your calling and swerve?
Have you mocked the life God gave you,
And the things required by Him to serve?
Have you mocked the man who says to you,
“Don’t dodge your calling and swerve!”
@70 Donna V
The same phenomenon has occurred on other blogs. The *real* Poor Citizen either has a multiple personality disorder or is the target some kind of public identity theft (if that’s the correct term – but you get the idea) Maybe a template for things to come from PJM’s resident cyber warriors….
What’s more, I don’t believe #51′s claims about his service or his brother’s. He doesn’t talk like a real soldier. For one thing, when speaking of their tours, real soldiers are specific about where they served. Not to mention anyone who volunteers for duty in “three wars” isn’t likely to refer to other soldiers as “crap” and furthermore would be too old by now to imagine there was anything remotely clever or convincing about those remarks.
But a 20-something troll? O yes precious. Right up its nasty little alley it is.
Men Who Stare at Goat Songs?
Moho. You are obviously far too hung up on your IQ, or lack of it. As I have myself been an object of racism for most of my life, and a member of several anti-racist groups, you could not accuse me of racism. Yet it is glaringly obvious to me that the belief in the elimination of non-believers (ie non muslims – which by the way is the most extreme example of racisim known to man today)and serving in the US armed forces is indeed a conflict of interests and should never have been allowed. Our desire for political correctness is clouding our judgement and causing our downfall.
#89
“…splain to me what the huge distinction is.”
You mean explain the big difference between someone like Moho or Hasan, allegedly, and a nut? You are asking a lot.
One can only try. The set of nuts is not the same as and does not usually overlap the set of traitors. Some legally recognized nuts are institutionalized vs being jailed or put to death. Traitors are not legally recognized as nuts. Two exceptions that imply the rule are Ezra Pound (institutionalized) and Jane Fonda (scot free).
Hope this helps a little. BTW, if you are confused about Hasan, due to librul feel-before-thinking or it-is-all-our-fault syndromes, read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111209824.html
Finally, nuts don’t all share the same belief system. This is the weak point traitors have that usually ends up to their detriment.
#36. Well it makes sense to me. mmm mmm mmm
Marymcl, #104, you are absolutely correct.
Kochevnik #102. “Tragedy at Ft. Hood is that professionals and nonbelievers were caught in up in this lame religious war instigated by catholics.”
Calling Dr. Hasan, calling Dr. Hasan. We have a person here in need of you medical specialty. What he tells you will drive you over the edge again, but do your duty, Doc. This time we’ll be ready to “serve” you, as Moho over-optimistically puts it in his/her asinine comments.
88. I’ve heard you say some absurd things, Komrade K, but this really takes the cake. How, pray tell, did Catholics start this war?
99. He is being court martialed for murder. Whether or not Treason charges will be filed as well remains to be seen. Either way, he is not entitled to a trial by civilian jury or a public trial, thus preventing circus antics designed to undermine the trial or any realistic possibility that a sympathetic jury will acquit him. Instead, the jury will be composed of at least five military members. He will be assigned a JAG officer as a defense attorney. Furthermore, because at least one of the victims was a civilian, he may also be subject to joint jurisdiction, against which double jeopardy does not immunize him. Thus, if the tribunal fails to impose a death sentence, Texas may retry him for the same murder and sentence him to death.
One would think that intelligent people would say at one point, “One more time this happens and….”.
Not violence against the first muslim they see, but to join the effort to profile, separate, and follow muslims. Mostly to recognize the source of their destructive behavior.
The koran.
My goodness, Mr.Mohole is a busy little beaver today. Are there any threads at PJ Media that he is not spamming?
86@quesnay:
The Arab world cannot even produce bicycles, let alone sophisticated computers and other high technology products.
You overlook the fact that the Vatican would have quickly executed Newton had they uncovered his dealings in mysticism. The Vatican through JP Morgan attacked and destroyed Tesla, yet he is responsible for inventing most things we have in modern life. Society has only escaped christianity at the cost of hundreds of millions of dead. And as the Vatican controls the West through codified law, a shadow government, and holding 60% of the gold, how can you posit Islam to be more nefarious?
His lawyer and doctor said today Hasan will never walk again. Any volunteers to wheel him to his execution?:
“Yes, the Doctor Gillespie killings…do your best!” — Blazing Saddles
I sure am tired of Dhimmicrats, appeasers, and apologists for terror…
I don’t care about the so-called religion of these murderous swine, I just want our leaders to develop spines and start behaving as though they actually love America more than they love our enemies…
marymcl: Glad I’m not the only one who has noticed. “Poor Citizen” is definitely not a conservative, but at times sounds like a decent sort of person who genuinely wishes to engage in a real debate. At other times, he sounds as rude and classless as other PJM trolls.
As you said: either he has a real personality disorder or someone is hijacking his nic.
I have a friend with an elderly aunt who reminds me of moho. The aunt is a retired secretary who is tremendously proud of the fact that she’s in MENSA. She gets together with her MENSA friends and they – talk about how smart they are. None of them have written books, saved lives, worked on the cure for cancer or you know, actually accomplished anything besides passing the test that got them into MENSA, but they’ll have you know that they are very, very smart. And my friend tells me they all love Obama because he’s very, very smart too.
The most brilliant man I’ve ever known in my life was the director of an oncology unit at a Children’s Hospital. He never once mentioned how high his IQ was.
He didn’t have to.
Dr. Hanson:
RE: “the mechanics of adding additional clips until police arrived…”
The correct word is magazines, not clips.
Clips are strips of metal that hold bullets, like in the M1 Garand of WWII.
Magazines are the spring-loaded bullet-containers that are inserted into modern weapons, both handgun and rifle.
“Tragedy” has become so widely mis-used in the media over the past decade that I suspect the word has all but lost its original meaning.
VDH:
The horse is out of barn and he can’t be put back. For us it’s fight or die no matter how long it takes. Gird your lions, harvest your crops, sharpen your spear, hone your sword, paint your shield and polish your armour. The battle has aready begun and you are late to the field but better late than never.
Burke, let’s not forget that in 1970, there were more than a million and a half Asians in America. Whatever real or imagined atrocities have been committed in Iraq and Afghanistan (such as giving them a shot at Democracy), it’s safe to say they pale in comparison to the napalming of villages, deforestation and carpet bombing we and our South Vietnamese allies inflicted on the North.
Yet for all that, can anyone recount the acts of terrorism committed by Asians on American soil at that time? Indeed there were such acts, but they were mostly committed by Caucasian Marxists like President Obama’s buddy William Ayers.
It reminds me of the simple-minded assertion that America is to blame for all the deaths in Iraq. That we invaded and deposed the leadership in Iraq does not automatically mean people from all around will, as automatons, begin slaughtering their neighbors. If that was an obvious response, there would be Chinese buses full of little girls being dynamited by Tibetan nationalists.
And yet, we do not see such things. That compels one to look for other evidence, other reasons why in this instance we have something entirely different. That thing is Islamic fascism, which, like Hasan, feels it has a right to live and prosper in the west – indeed, like CAIR – that it has a duty to change the west into its image, but is virulently opposed to any western changes (other than the benefits of technology) in its own area of the world.
A sane and sound national policy would prohibit Islamic immigration, citizenship residence and operation in the United States. That is correct: I have gone and said it. The rationale would be an aggressive insistence upon complete cultural reciprocity. If Islamic states–or those where Islam is dominant–harass and persecute Christians, Buddhists, Jews and others, then proselytizing in the USA and its allies is likewise banned. If Islamic states and Muslim majorities begin to permit free immigration and, say, evangelization by Christians, then perhaps we can talk. I doubt that this will transpire. War is most likely inevitable.
“Many of our countrymen are tired of the ride.”
So we keep being told. But tired of what? Tired of watching a war on tv, which is the full extent of what 98% of Americans ever had to do with the Iraq war? Tired of watching commentators wring their hands?