Our Old Grand Fantasies About Radical Islam
5. We Are Largely Safe from Islamic Upheavals
While we are largely impotent in terms of modernizing the Arab and larger Islamic world, and while many of its conflicts do not involve any major U.S. interests, I’m afraid we cannot simply wash our hands of radical Islam. September 11 taught us that premodern killers can still reach postmodern Westerners. Oil revenues will give Iran not just the bomb, but in ten years the ability to rocket it to Europe and perhaps the U.S. If there is to be a Persian nuke, there may well be soon an Egyptian or Saudi one as well. Pakistan at any moment could lose its warheads to al-Qaedists. Rising Muslim populations in Europe — the embryo of the Holocaust — are already changing its geo-politics. Over forty terrorist plots have been uncovered in the U.S. since 9/11. A characteristic of radical Islam is nihilism, the morbid desire to destroy all that it cannot create.
In short, we must continue our anti-terrorism vigilance, maintain our military strength, speak honestly to the public, and seek alliances with sympathetic nations who share our views about radical Islam.
What Then?
More importantly, it is time to reassess our posture in the Muslim world. Giving billions of dollars in aid to Mr. Morsi’s Egypt is unsustainable, logically and morally. We should quietly chart a five-year plan to reach zero aid, a cut-off that could be reassessed should Morsi prove a reformer (fat chance). Ditto diminishing aid to Pakistan, and the Palestinians. The key is not loud lecturing, but just a quiet yet steady twist of the spigot in the off direction. If anti-Americanism earns U.S. money (Pakistan and Palestine just polled the most anti-American of all nations), then perhaps no U.S. money might earn a little pro-Americanism.
Our immigration policy in general is wrecked. But we should radically reassess granting visas to those from non-democratic countries in the Middle East. This hiatus need not be permanent, but again can send a quiet message that there are wages to anti-Americanism.
Oil and natural gas self-sufficiency are now possible in a way undreamed of just four years ago. In other words, there are now real answers to our age-old worries: a stop to predicating our national security on the Persian Gulf; an end to the Arab League holding our foreign policy hostage; a stop to berating Israel and courting Hamas; a curtailing of our disastrous imbalance of payments caused by importing over-priced oil — as well as the possibility of exchanging coal for clean-burning natural gas, creating millions of new jobs at home, and earning revenues to help pay down the deficit. Not developing new wells on public lands and cancelling the Keystone pipeline are not just mistaken, but mistaken to the degree of lunacy.
To the degree that the administration quietly kept in place most of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism protocols that it had in campaign-mode so opportunistically derided, and to the degree that its own loud new initiatives either were shelved or faced a storm of opposition in Congress, we have been kept safe for another four years. But if we believe any of the above five truisms, we won’t be for long.
The United States can, by various and sundry means, install legal requirements for
freedom of religion in these countries. Both at the local/tribal level and
at the national/parliamentary level. It will be hard and casualties are certain, but these legal requirements can be put into place.
Then the fighting, to include any WMDs we cannot dismantle, will center around these people, especially the apostates who now have assistance from Uncle Sam.
When that happens, when these muzzies are forced to forget about the West but concentrate solely on their own turf, their pathologies will start to crumble and they will have no choice to to “get sober” or perish.
Why can’t we just ban student visas from these countries (except for religious minorities who use it as a stepping-stone to refugee status) so at least they aren’t persecuting the Jewish students?
I hold to the clash of civilizations thesis of the late Samuel Huntingdon. Without the Enlightenment and freethought in general, we cannot impose our freedoms on societies that have always been authoritarian. We may be losing free speech ourselves, if Obama is not vigorously opposed. As Franklin said, you have a Constitution if you can keep it. See http://clarespark.com/2013/01/21/citizen-obama-political-pluralism-and-the-elusive-search-for-unity/. POTUS proclaims “peace in our time,” that signifies to me the appeasement of Neville Chamberlain. If he gets his way, free speech will disappear.
Franklin said, upon being asked by an onlooker what kind of government the US would have, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Not “a constitution…”
We have been “kept safe”, ONLY by the grace of God and not by politicians. Notice now; that immediately after the inauguration the POTUS was quoted as saying, “I did it.” Islam and the left are now free and clear to cement their alliance, join forces an excerpt their deceptive and controlling tactics upon the U.S.A. Islam’s stated goals are to essentially strangle the U.S.A.; fly the flag of Islam over the WH and change the name of the country. The left’s goals are the same in that there is a desire to establish a perpetual seat of power; a monarchy for life. I’m not a huge fan of Rand Paul, yet; but he nailed it by publicly stating that Obama wants to be a “king”; THAT is a truth that bears pondering. This “alliance” can now implement their strategy towards both objectives at the same time – We MUST gird our loins and prepare for a battle for our nation; some are called to pray; some are called sound the alarm, some to lead; some are called to write; some to stand unafraid and encourage a nation; no matter what … there is a battle to fight, and it will be a battle that we will win. UNITED we stand!!!!
“UNITED we stand!!!!”
Great fighting words indeed as a start on this Monday morning. Now with whom should one unite? The 85% or more of the American population that doesn’t have the slightest idea about that which Dr. Hanson addresses? Possibly John Boehner? The Republican leadership (assuming that such exists)? The Tea Party which has long since been relegated to the right-wing loon category. And what will we unite around? Rage over a cut in the food-stamp program (which will occur when the economy collapses) will stand a better chance of being a uniting factor than any calls to patriotism in the current cultural environment.
Three earnest, normal-looking 20-something, men set up a table and were passing out information and soliciting signatures and money for Larouchepac.com on NYC’s Park Avenue the other day. Articles among the literature included “Obama Must Answer the Question: Is It Your Policy to Ally with Al Qaeda?”
Grace of God? Absolutely and then some. This crop of “leaders” reflect the national character of we the people. The mindless spin and chatter that spews from the mouths of the men in charge is jaw-dropping in its manipulative self-justifying arrogant stupidity. And yet we the people continue toleratiing their childish charade. Do a majority of us now genuinely believe that somehow things will work themselves out without our own dramatic intervention?
I was amazed at how tepid our national response was (and is) to the attack of September 11th 2001. Maybe God is holding the line waiting to see if there are any men willing to do what needs doing to end this cowardly political foolishness.
tepid response to an atrocity of the magnitude of 9/11 was further displayed with the building of a mosque down the street from the murder by muslims of 3,000 innocents. our esteemed politicians raced to defend the rights of these heinous cultists. but never mind. tepid responses, pleasure seeking, and a general sort of malaise and really deep stupidity pervades crumbling empires.
we can check off all the boxes. the Founders would be so proud.
I dont understand why everyone tiptoes around the fundamentals;
Saudi Arabia funds terrorist training Camps in Pakistan, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, funded the attack in Mumbai, most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi, They fund Sharia schools globally and within the United States.
Saudi Arabia seeks to overthrow the republic Of the United States through Sharia movement and we welcome them with open arms and base our currency on the amount of Petroleum Saudi Aramco can pump out of the Ground ( US petro dollar system created in 1971).
The Hypocrisy is to continue selling massive weaponry to Saudi Arabia, and turn a blind eye to their global sharia movement. We are providing advanced weaponry that will be turned on ourselves in the very near future, we fund and supply the enemy will be forced to fight in a few years.
We did the same with Al queda and Taliban in Afghanistan in the 1980′s, we keep repeating the same mistakes.
Today Egypt, Syria, Algeria, etc, are pawns and proxies manipulated by Saudi interests to continue expanding Radical Islamic Sharia law. There is a battle within this context between Iran and Saudi Arabia; Iran influenced USA to invade Iraq (Via Iranian Spy Mr. Chalabi and his network), removing the counterweght to Iran. It was a brilliant intelligence coup pulled off by Iran, and now Saudi Arabia is pulling the wool over US intelligence agencies in same manner.
The USA does not have a future in the Islamic world, Sharia law does not allow for Democratic Republic. The first step is understand and accept Saudi Arabia is the protaganist for much of the worlds terrorism, and all of the Sharia movement. The Second step is to destroy Sharia Movement before it destroys the USA.
Obama is actively giving the muslim brotherhood his support to get them in power abroad as in the case of Morsi in Egypt, to actively undermine Israel, and to further their penetration of US society via stealth jihad here in the USA. Hillary’s chief of staff and wife have Antony Weiner, good old Huma, is the daughter of active Muslim brotherhood agents here in the USA. No one will talk about this not even VDH. Frank Gaffney will however but he and others have been put on a literary “no go” list. This is what this president is doing to us.
Interesting. Do you have any evidence that Iran sought to influence the US to invade Iraq? My own sense is that there were a lot of compelling reasons to go after Sadaam in the wake of 9/11. And that Iran would have viewed a large US military presence on its doorstep as a threat. At any rate, I agree that Saudi Arabia pushing the spread of Sharia, and I also agree with Anonymous above, that Obama and his handlers have made common cause with radical Islam. By enabling the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood he is helping set the stage for the destruction of Israel and a deeper, wider and more sustained Jihadist siege of America and the West. As such he is an enemy combatant and should be treated accordingly.
VDH refers to the “Bush-Chebey anti-terrorism protocols” being maintained by Obama. In my opinion the only reason this is so is because Obama wants to avoid a major Jihadist attack on US soil during his watch. Mass US casualties would be very damaging to his image, unless of course he could blame it on us bitter clingers. Instead he works on weakening our resolve, limiting our options, subverting our forces and empowering our enemies. He is both the Manchurian and Jihadist candidate rolled into one.
The ‘Saudis’ of 9-11 infame were Yemenis traveling on KSA documents.
This fact passes as common knowledge in islamist circles.
OBL’s Black Guard started out as absolutely pure Yemeni; it took y e a r s before Osama trusted any non-Yemeni with his person.
By blood, OBL was a Yemeni. His biological father, a blood-pure Yemeni, was permitted to marry into the Saudi clan. He’d won the extreme favor of the King by being his most loyal, competent general contractor — going all the way back.
Ultimately, OBL’s father was officially made a Saudi by Royal Decree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Saud
Ibn Saud, the dynasty’s founder, made a forever-and-ever pledge to the Yemeni tribes that martially supported his campaigns to conquer Arabia in the early 20th Century: that they, and their sons, would always be able to enter Saudi Arabia without any papers; and that if they needed (international) travel documents, his aides would generate them under his seal at no cost — until the end of time.
Hence, there is no customs post between Saudi Arabia and Yemen. During the Yemeni Civil War, the Saudis would always top up Sana’a's checking account. Not so coincidentally, the North Yemenis prevailed — and Sana’a is still the national capital — not Aden.
This weird, utterly unique, situation — whereby Yemenis can travel on KSA documents is not widely known — even though it was published by Fortune Magazine thirty-five years ago.
It’s the reason why ALL KSA construction sites are still layered with Yemeni ‘management.’ The actual heavy lifting is subbed out to internationally ranked heavy hitters, like KBR and Halliburton, et. al.
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From the outset, OBL proclaimed a death sentence on the Saudi royals — entire.
So, it’s false that the Royals want AQ to carry on the ‘bad work.’
Like any card-carrying Communist, OBL wanted a total revolution — and bloody, too.
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If AQ gets funding out of Arabia these days its in secret — and hidden from the Royals.
That may not be too tough, since ‘good’ muslims are required to give 3% of their total wealth each year to the imams/ for the cause; they get pretty ‘sloppy’ with the right kind of charitable con.
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A variation on this religious charity con still occurs even in cynical America.
Madoff fleeced many Liberal American Jews by fronting himself as a pious man -- with excessively visible charitable giving -- all as a mechanism for his long con.
The FBI statistics show that Mormons are the number one victim group for con artists. They use the Mormon tithe to bilk honest folk out of serious money -- Madoff style -- year in and year out. Sermons from the pulpit to the flock are still not enough to shut off the grift.
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So, it’s a pretty good bet that wealthy Saudi nationals have been taken for a ride, time and time again.
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The ONE area that really did motivate Saudi nationals to jihad was Iraq. It’s just over the border, so getting there was straight forward.
It fizzled out when surviving Saudi nationals came back and explained that the AQ fellows only wanted Saudis as suicide ordnance — on TV — all channels — over and over. Recruitment cratered.
Unlike elsewhere, Saudi imams, wahhabists, discourage the AQ (anti-royalist) jihad. (Duh.)
And the number one fantasy of all is that it’s “radical” Islam, as set apart from Islam, that’s the problem.
Yes!
Read the Koran and Hadith. The ones we call radical are the ones who believe and follow what is written there.
The “radicals” in Islam are the most orthodox; Those that adhere closest to the Quran and it’s main principles.
The U.S. has “radical” sensationalism (journalism). But, Ours is everyday, main stream sensationalism (journalism). Not “orthodox” journalism, but absolute orthodox sensationalism.
The American journalist will use the same language to incite the same fears as any orthodox radical Islamic.
Which leads me to believe there must be a Koran for American Journalists somewhere, as they are trying to be orthodox at something. But certainly NOT journalism.
I submit mullah Chris Matthews as a prime example.
Islam is a serial murderer of entire civilizations, peoples and cultures. The sooner the West wakes up to that reality, the sooner we can do what we must to save our civilization.
Winston Churchill didn’t say “Radical Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies is in a dog”, he said “Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies is in a dog”.
Enough with this ridiculous “radical” and “Islamism” and “Islamist” and “hijackers” and “misunderstanders” balderdash, all of which are destructive to the logical faculty.
You forgot the favorite term of the left, “Moderate Muslim”. There is no such creature but they use it as if it describes most of the Muslims in the world today. The Christian Bible offers basically the ten commandments as a guide to life with accompanying stories to show how it works. The Koran offers many conflicting and hateful Hadiths that vary with the chronology of when they were written but they are not “Optional” in the lives of Muslims. They are the rules that must be followed and obeyed by ALL Muslims.
Well of course there are moderate Muslims, just as there are moderate Christians. You think all Muslims covet the world? Most want a family and a job.
Recep Erdogan Pres. of Turkey; ISLAM IS ISLAM. There is only one koran IT TELLS THE ” BELIEVERS “to ” KILL THE INFIDEL” wherever you find him. AND THERE ARE OVER ONE HUNDRED OTHER SURAHS (verses) IN THIS DESPICABLE BOOK that tell muslims to fight and kill the infidel. Wise up.
What’s your proof of that?
‘That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.’
“Well of course there are moderate Muslims, just as there are moderate Christians”
Stop the mindless equivication. Islam is not like any other religion. It is infact, the POLAR OPPOSITE of most others, ESPECIALLY Christianity.
Islamic violence is the NORM, because its IN LINE with the the Koran, the Hadiths and EVERYTHING that is known about the violent maniac Mohammad who invented it all.
Please, look and find me a passage in the gospel where Jesus orders Paul or John to kill.
Commands them to lie in wait for a womam who merely spoke ill of him, and slay her.
Find me the passage where Jesus allows them the “holy right” of lies and deception to trick her family into letting their guard down in order to accomplish this act.
Find me the passage where Jesus sit on a throne as 8 thousand of his “enemies” are ritually be-headed, AFTER he promised them merciful treatment in exchange for their surrender.
Find me the passage where Jesus describes the lustful pleasures of flesh, women, wine and material riches that await his follower in heaven.
You cant. Because they dont exist.
Violence was NOT the way of Jesus.
But it most certainly WAS the way of Mohammad.
Not because I say so, because THEY DO.
Its all in there, all you have to do is read it.
There is no eqivocation in “radicalism” and “violence” between Christians and Muslims.
Christ rejected hate and violence.
Mohammad Reveled in it in the goriest of ways.
Thats why Mohammads religion is perpetually VIOLENT.
No sugar coating or Equivocation of the Ignorant will change that
I think it is time for the next Crusade. It need to be as thorough as the last one, only not leaving a “starter seed”.
‘Islamist’
Ironically Cair is now crowing that the use of this word is islamophobic and must be discontinued.
That it was a concoction of the pc liberals to delineate radicals from the good old peace loving rest deliberately eludes them and we can see in this action the foothills of a complete ban on any negative reporting on their faith.
Of course both Obama and Hillary would agree, he uttering the absolute giveaway to his shariah dreams, ‘the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet Mohammed’.
Meanwhile she was covertly squirreling behind the scenes with her buddies at the OIC to bring international law in force to ban any derogatory statement on Islam.
Islamism = Islam + Communism
If the MSM would ever publish his writings, it would be quickly clear that both Arafat and OBL were steeped in Communist/ Socialist economic ideals A N D Islam.
Enver Hoxha, of Albania, is another example of a significant muslim politician who had fused Communism into Islam.
Indeed, he should be considered the template for Arafat, a stooge of Moscow — educated by them. It was the KGB First Directorate that ‘stood up’ the PLO — and trained their cadre.
Our MSM kept that little detail off the front pages — all these decades.
You will note, that in all of the PLO actions, none vectored back towards the MASSIVE Muslim populations within the Soviet Union.
Some of the Spy Game player have come out with their memoirs — detailing to what extremes the KGB and its East Bloc associates/ cut-outs were hip deep in the PLO op.
The witless Arabs never came up with anything: they were Central’s stooges.
“More importantly, it is time to reassess our posture in the Muslim world. Giving billions of dollars in aid to Mr. Morsi’s Egypt is unsustainable, logically and morally. We should quietly chart a five-year plan to reach zero aid, a cut-off that could be reassessed should Morsi prove a reformer (fat chance).”
So you want more five years of billions of dollars of insanity and then what another 5, and maybe another, if we see “progress”? How about 5 seconds and proudly proclaiming it? Why should there be a 5 year moratorium on getting a brain and a clue? And “fat chance”? There is no chance. Articles like this are not helpful except to Islam.
“To draw that conclusion would mean to reject tribalism, gender apartheid, religious intolerance, anti-Semitism, statism, authoritarianism, and conspiracy theory”
In other words, to reject Islam, the Koran and Mohammad. Not going to happen. Naivety is an endearing quality in a child but not in an adult.
“So why exactly does radical Islam hate us? Mostly because of the age-old wages of insecurity, envy, and a sense of inferiority”
Yet again, it’s not “radical” Islam, it’s Islam, and it’s not some psychobabble about “insecurity, envy, and a sense of inferiority” it’s what Mohammad, Islam’s “Perfect Man” taught, and still teaches, in the Koran as is reasonably accurately taught in Mosques, including those in Western Europe and in America. Muslims have a collective sense of superiority, not inferiority. This article accomplishes nothing except for Islam.
It is not simply Islam but a Saudi version of Islam called Wahabbiasm that is at the core of this. Name a Muslim country with terrorists and they will almost invariably be adherents of Wahabbism, aside from the Palestinian Arabs.
Remember that Wahabbism used to be considered an heretical cult. Mohamed Ali, the future king of Egypt, was once send by the Turks to wipe out the sect in Saudi Arabia. Ask yourself why bin Laden was ostracized even from ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia.
The percentage of radicals in the Islamic world is a tiny one. However I agree that there is enough general anti-Western talk within the middle east for us to give a message by withholding entrance to the U.S.
As for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi, although they are not a secular organization, it is politically they will attempt to reach their goals. The MB is for the most part mainstream Sunni. The MB seeks influence within the U.S. by lobbying politicians and manipulating political correctness. Like the black political Left in America, the MB been successful using friendly politicians and the American legal system to accomplish their goals. And like the black political Left, the MB know their racial rhetoric will be ignored as long as they don’t act on it with violence, which is not really available to them in any event.
OK, but how do you explain the “radical” Islam that dominates Shiite Iran?
The problem is Islam itself, not some mythical core or a particular variant.
Shite’s are about 15% of the Muslim population. Iran is one country, and the ruling class doesn’t necessarily reflect the populace there, since it is a dictatorship by committee.
Exception, meet rule.
Not yet, Fail.
The Iranian regime is nevertheless a radical Islamic regime. According to your argument, the radicalism of the Iranian regime, its core, is rooted in the Saudi version of Islam. I would appreciate some evidence or documentation that substantiates your argument.
I never said anything remotely like that. Iran and SA hate one another. How in the world would Shites embrace Sunni Islam?
You’re still not getting it…
Mohammad was evil. A nut case. Nothing he said or did made sense, hence the need for “abrogation” in Islam to dis-avow ONE commandment for the next.
He was a phycotic criminal who ENJOYED murder and mayhem. All of his followers are (supposed) to do the same….Rape, kill steal subjugate all in the name of Allah, who will REWARD YOU for the cruelties dispensed in his name. It is a sickening belief system.
Because its a “Streetgang” mentality taken to a global level.. I am above the law, I may kill at my own decretion, all must bow to ME…..because I SAID SO.
So naturally, you have major rivalries (Crips and Bloods anyone?)Like Saudi Vs Iran, as ALL OF THEM vie to be the dominant “gang”, and individuals within them try to become the dominant MEMBER of their particular gang.(AQ, MB, Hezbolla, Hamas, etc etc etc) and happily use violence against other gangs to get there. Any doubt, see Hamas killing Fattah to take over Gaza.
Islam is a recipe for disaster, for poverty, misery, for perpetual backwardness humiliation and dispair. Just like “urban violence” the perps and victims are mostly the same, while always blaming “others” for whats wrong INSIDE their own communities, because of whats INSIDE their own hearts.
Their is no “version” of Mohammad that is “sucessful” because he was evil down to his core, just like there is is no “version” of Hip-hop urban gang-ness that leads to a promising life…unless YOU happen to be “Top Thug”….but then YOUR whole neighborhood is a hell hole for everyone else who lives there, isnt it?
The only “sucessful” Muslims are the ones who’ve adopted a WESTERN (dare I say Christian?) world view while maintaining some “ethnic” food and holiday preferences. And they are called “apostates” by “real” muslims who follow the only path Mohammad laid out…Violence, death, torture, and humiliation in the persuit of Wordly Booty…the life of a criminal. The life of Mohammad.
Islam is a violent failure everywhere you find it, because its BASED on a Violent Failure of a human being.
Nothing can ever change that fact, no matter how much you wish otherwise
The Shia in Iran, the Wahabbi. . . And the deobandi, as well. And since these groups are waging war to establish islamic governments and imposing sharia in accordance with islamic law, they have significant support among all other sects.
They in fact do not have such support.
“Muslims have a collective sense of superiority, not inferiority.” Exactly right. When we in the West look at the hellhole conditions in Muslim countries we can’t understand how such a culture could possibly view themselves as superior, but they do, and the Western mind just can’t get itself around that fact.
Thank you for your excellent, clear-headed, plain-spoken, contribution to this thread.
I have been unable to find The Moderate Koran featuring Mohamed the Moderate.
With all this talk of moderate Muslims I know there must be such a book.
It apparently calls for the unbelieving to be moderately murdered, moderately tortured, moderately raped, beheaded in a moderate fashion and a moderate subjugation of a moderate portion of the world.
An eternal reward of some seventy two moderately virginal women awaits them as well.
This, I guess, represents a radical improvement over radical Islam.
If we can only find a way to bring these moderates to power.
The Bill of Rights and the principles set forth in the Declaration of Independence are so un-Islamic, that America and Islam are intrinsically inimical to one another. The fools among us believe that we are all compatible; they are called ‘Dhimmis’.
Y’know, I was going to agree with you here, but on second thought I need to quibble. Both the democratic and individualistic elements of American society are compatible with *parts* of Islam. But there is nothing in American society that says we need to go out and kill anyone who disagrees, and there *is* that – as well – in Islam.
So you are completely correct in practice, but on a hermeneutic basis one can find many points of agreement – unfortunately only on our side, their side pretty much precludes agreement and leaves only one resolution.
Islam is a mass psychopathy.
“Russia’s artillery and missile barrage that leveled Muslim Grozny (which the UN declared the most destroyed city in the world”
And after that Russia spent uncounted billions to rebuild the city. Google, for example, “Grozny Mosque”
I did. Here it is. Help me understand this. No sarc.
http://www.rferl.org/content/Grozny_To_Open_Europes_Biggest_Mosque/1330690.html
OK.
Google “Grozny mosque images”
And compare with “Grozny images”
As always, the answer to all this is the liberal’s favorite ideology: the accidental and informal intellectual rat’s nest, political correctness.
As for cutting aid to Egypt, that’s a problem. Right now, Egypt has American jets and tanks. They cannot use American equipment to fight Israel. Who would make good Egyptian losses during a conflict as did the Soviets in ’73.
Egypt will have an army whether we are involved or not. It could be a rag tag mixed bag of Iranian, Russian and Chinese equipment plus a program to develop native tech as do the Iranians. The point is that with 80 million Egyptians against 7 million Israelis, a good army Egypt can’t use is more useful to Israel than a crappy army Egypt can use.
You’d think the presence of nukes in Israel would render the whole idea academic. It’s not like Egypt could announce limited gains in a country as tiny as Israel.
What a great piece calling our attention to the dangerous utopian view of Islam that permeates our official policy. It’s as if we are committed to Chamberlain’s 1938 Wishful Thinking about what Hitler wanted with a blueprint of what he sought by war in our hand but conceded empowering territory at a critical time anyway. There’s a lot of that going on throughout this Administration’s foreign and domestic policies. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/19th-century-blueprints-for-20th-century-tragedies-is-a-repeat-pending-in-the-21st/
Professor-I was thinking of you in particular this weekend as I was reading plans to ensure that cultural differences that are disadvantages in an education system centered around knowledge and logical thought will now cease to be burdens. How? Change the nature of what constitutes an education of course, K-12 and higher ed, to put the focus on social interaction and group projects. Also remove the privileged focus on language so that the visual or gestural or audio are all sufficient forms of communication. The fact that unprivileging language has a detrimental impact on rational thought and the abstract mind was a lucky bonus. Since the taxpaid and foundation paid schemers wanted a different kind of human consciousness grounded in feeling anyway. All to get to Equity in credentials and no benefit to the kind of mind produced in an Upper Middle Class, two educated parents household.
And meanwhile Islam is teaching its followers to kill us or force us into dhimmitude whatever it takes to gain submission. And our education systems all over the West, pushed by UNESCO, have us actively and unilaterally disarming the rational mind. And the accreditation agencies globally actually requiring it now.
Robin, my youngest attended Manhattan Community College for one year. He took English comp there. It was a xeroxed manual of “readings”, Che Guevara, Mao, Marx, Engels, etc. I imagine the “text” was put together by a leftist professor, dontcha knnow.
The class was divided into groups. In my son’s groups were 3 girls and 3 boys. The 3 girls were friends. During group time they only talked about their boyfriends. The boys took turns writing up the assignment. In effect, three girls “bullied” the boys into letting them waste all the class time. The girls wrote nothing. The boys earned everyone a B. Who says bullies don’t come out ahead? Is this 21st century education?
Robin, my youngest attended Manhattan Community College for one year. He took English comp there. It was a xeroxed manual of “readings”, Che Guevara, Mao, Marx, Engels, etc. I imagine the “text” was put together by a leftist professor, dontcha knnow.
The class was divided into groups. In my son’s groups were 3 girls and 3 boys. The 3 girls were friends. During group time they only talked about their boyfriends. The boys took turns writing up the assignment. In effect, three girls “bullied” the boys into letting them waste all the class time. The girls wrote nothing. The boys earned everyone a B. Who says bullies don’t come out ahead? Is this 21st century education?
The most concise distilation of the liberal mindset behind Obama’s idiotic Cairo speech outreach is still Matt Damon’s rant at the NSA interview in Good Will Hunting. All in 2 minutes of screen time.
There’s a great take on it in “Good Will Hunting Rant” at:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
An excellent article, as usual, Mr. Hanson. However, you refer to “Palestine” as a recipient of U.S. largess. There is no
country of “Palestine.” There was “Palestine,” the name the Roman Emperor gave to Judea after the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba, in 135 A.D. Hadrian wanted to eradicate all memory of Judea – he outlawed Judaism and renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina,” “Aelius” being his gens name. From that time “Palestine” was synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Palestinian” with “Jew.” That is why Great Britain after World War I was awarded the “Palestine Mandate,” to be “the homeland of the Jews.”
Calling Arabs “Palestinians” is a consequence of Soviet propaganda. In 1964, Gamal Nasser of Egypt and the Soviet Union invented the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.) which came to fame by murdering the Israeli athletes at the Olympic games in Munich in 1972, whence the perpetrators, Arabs, became called “Palestinians.” They are Arabs, and their claim to a land of “Palestine” is a lie, a claim to yet another Arab land and the destruction of Israel.
Thank! You!, PAthena.
Excellent review!……which should be individually saved and kept in a folder in individuals’ “Muslim Info.” computer-file as a constantly needed reminder against the daily buffeting of the popular media; and not typically filed away and forgotten…but to be reviewed and noted carefully.
Joseph Goebbels (….anyone remember that particular name?…who?….I thought not…)…..does anyone living today who actually read Orwells’ “1984″ remember “new speak”, “new think”, “memory hole”….?…..I thought not.
This commonplace non-thought that “History is so very yesterday”…..needs badly to be purged.
Goebbels master of the ” Spin” or as it used to be called – The big lie
Read 1984 at least dozen times – We are truly in the world of Newspeak
Obambi and his thugs are the pigs in “Animal Farm” – all animals are
Equal it’s just that some are “more” equal. Those who don’t know history are doomed to
Repeat it. God Help us we are so lost right now. I believe the Marxists
Want the populace to strike back so they can do what Little Billy Ayers
And his make believe revolutionaries talked about, they only thing is who
Ever is behind these Marxist means to do it – problem 350 million privately
Owned guns and people who know how yo use them.
We shall see sooner rather than later.
Griff
of VDH’s, and a serious piece of disinformation, too, his “Palestine” bit.
I got on him about it some years ago and he did cut it out, but he’s at it again. I wonder why.
Thanks for catching it, PAthena.
Why is it that on June 4th, 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians – they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag.
Walid Shoebat
We are one people. Only for political reasons do we carefully underline our Palestinian identity. For it is of national interest for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians against Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestine identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian State is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity…
Zuhair Muhsin ( head of the PLO Military Operations Department, March 3, 1977)
The truncated West Germany, after WWII, absorbed and rehabilitated no less than 9.7 million displaced persons. Small Austria received 178,000 Hungarian refugees in the aftermath of the Hungarian revolution of 1956. Italy provided a home for 585,000 Italians displaced from territory ceded to Yugoslavia, and from various parts of Africa. France gave permanent asylum to 1.4 million refugees (including Algerian Muslims) displaced by the emergence of new sovereign states in North Africa and Indochina. The Netherlands, tiny and crowded, welcomed and settled 230,000 refugees from Indonesia. Turkey resettled 150,000 Turks expelled by the Communist regime in Bulgaria.
Julius Stone (1972)
The amazing thing to me is that after 50 years the right of return is still an issue and is being kept alive by the large number of Palestinians still in refugee camps. Why are they still there after 50 years? On a personal note, my family and I, along with millions of others, lost their land and property as a result of the partition of India in 1947. We were refugees. Both the Indian and Pakistani governments provided some help, but most importantly the refugees themselves, after a little while, made new lives for themselves. There are no refugee camps on both sides of the India-Pakistan border with millions asserting their right of return.
Deepak Lal (2004)
http://jcdurbant.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/palestineonu-ils-ont-enleve-letoile-et-dun-coup-nous-avons-eu-un-drapeau-palestinien-its-the-continuation-of-war-on-zionism-by-other-means-stupid/
I’ll never understand the liberal view of wanting to talk to or negotiate with killers and madmen. Obama came into office on a platform of “smart power,” wanting to talk to or “negotiate” with Iran about their nuclear program. Hmmmm, and how did that work out for him? Iran is an even bigger threat right now and is about to get its own nuclear bomb, a move that will undoubtedly destabilize the entire Middle East (not that it’s too stable as it is right now).
Radical Islamists, like the fascists or the communists, have their own goals and political agenda. Rarely, if ever, does that agenda ever allow them to co-exist with a western democratic republic. Just doesn’t happen because we are so different than they are. So the only option left to radical Islamists is to destroy their enemies, both their real enemies and their perceived enemies. They also can only survive if they blame all their woes on a specific group of people, like the Jews or the United States (or both). That blame gives their leaders a free pass to continue the corruption and the terror that keeps them in power and reduces their nations to economic basket cases.
If Obama thinks he can change all of this just by “talking” to these people, he’s insane. Four YEARS of “talking” to the Iranians has gotten him nothing. The Iranians laugh at UN sanctions and don’t care how much economic harship it brings to their country as long as they achieve their objective, which is to get a nuclear bomb. Once they have that, they are going to be in a position to negotiate anything with Obama, because the last thing Obama wants is another Middle Eastern war. Simple as that.
Our relations with countries like Egypt and Libya will continue to deteriorate because the radical Islamists controlling those countries see no advantage in negotiating with us over anything, especially Israel. And, trust me, if we stopped giving money to Egypt tomorrow, they would get it from somewhere else, either from the UN, the IMF, or even the Saudis. As long as the arab world sees that the largest arab nation is run by a bunch of anti-semitic thugs like the Muslim Brotherhood, they will never want for financial friends with large wallets. Nope, it really IS time that we stop subsidizing terrorism in the world by not giving money to countries that support terrorism, like Egypt and Libya.
I would-natch–like to see Iran’s effort to develop nuclear bombs stopped. BUT, it seems to me that sanctions only intensify their efforts. Consider: if someone were trashing your economy from the outside, wouldn’t it make you angry? And wouldn’t you fantasize about having a weapon that would instantly make them stop? This comment is by no means to be construed as my supporting “talk” as our best response to the problem. Nor do I have a better idea. (That is why I am not President or Secretary of State. LoL.)
“talking” to terrorists and iran may be able to stop them
obama knows that won’t work, that’s why he’s “talking”
his “talking” is a stall tactic to enable them in their designs
so that they can then do all the damage they damn well please
and that iran can get the bomb and drop it on israel
it’s what obama wants, and what obama wants, he gets
that’s been the whole story so far, as anyone can plainly see
The Left has completely absorbed the Marxist notion that “religion is the opiate of the masses.” Having thus written off any possible understanding that Islamic supremacy might be underwritten by deeply-held religious fervor, they fall back to using post-colonial rage as the sole reason behind Islamic motivation. Religion couldn’t possibly have anything to do with it. Gotta be some secular reason that is subject to rational negotiation.
Excellent article. I couldn’t help thinking that if you replaced the word “Islam” with “Leftism” the gist of the article would still be true. Perhaps part of the problem with the Islamists’ contact with our culture is that the culture is so permeated with Leftist creeds that it only reinforces the innate hatreds and prejudices of Islam. The two ideologies aren’t that far apart in spite of the pious platitudes mouthed by apostles from both sides.
One of the more interesting (and unfortunate) things about the national dialog is that important issues are sometimes not emphasized enough, allowing the left to interject its latest nonsense–sometimes motivated by nothing more than Obama worship–in their place. Thank you, Dr. Hanson for repeating, in another great article of analysis of current events, what the left never tires of trying to suppress through misdirection and obfuscation.
Hubris-ego-self congratulations? my turn.
I am glad to see that my (and others) insistence that Islam IS the Problem is finally being heard. It has only taken ten years.
How did I, an ordinary engineer know this?
1. Been there, MENA that is.
2. READ history. (hat tip Dr. Hanson)
3. READ Islamic stuff (being pc here, did not call it crapola)
4. As a Naval Officer, looked at things strategically
5. Used my brain instead of my PC, statist, leftist ????? (what do they use???)
ta
The only quibble I have with Dr Hanson’s recommendations is that, if we are to turn off aid to Pakistan, we should first get out of Afghanistan. Pakistan sits astride our resupply routes, and we cannot sustain our effort in Afghanistan solely via airlift.
Also, we need to realize that Iraq and Afghanistan are *NOT* separate wars; they are merely two separate campaigns within a larger war.
Not since The Revelation at Sinai has so much proof of The Almighty been presented to humanity. Nor has their been so much evidence ( not Faith mind you but real concrete evidence that a human mind can decipher or that can be held in ones hand) that the world needs its Jews and the Jews need their tiny Nation/State. G-ds plan is writ so large in human events that only the willfully blind, the pleasure drunken hedonist or the insane could ignore it.
World history is drawing to a close , driven to the abyss by humanity itself, with the outcome – self imposed immolation.
Only when all hope has been lost and the nations of the world beg for solace will Hashems voice be heard.
Pity hearts and minds will not open sooner.
On this point, I must disagree with you, son of Jacob. When the Messiah came, God Himself conversed with His People, and even by rejecting Him, your ancestors fulfilled a multitude of prophesies.
The left in the West are cowards and fools. They hate Israel for the same reason they hate their own country and the Christian faith, because they can without fear of retribution.
Why allow any Muslim immigration to America? I marvel at the stupidity of granting visas to Somali radical Muslims. They are utterly unskilled, unassimilated and a drain on our own social welfare.
So why exactly does radical Islam hate us? Mostly because of the age-old wages of insecurity, envy, and a sense of inferiority — and the hunch that such gripes win apologies, attention, and sometimes money.
The US mollification stance (John Brennan a poster child) continues to make the US an appealing Islamic target, unlike China & Russia with their “take no prisoners” approach.
In addition to his natural predilections, it is an extension of wrong headed political correctness that makes a US president invite Islamist wolves in sheep’s clothing to the White House.
…Instead, it is far easier to blame “them” for turning the majestic Islamic empire of old into the chaos of modern Islam — as well as to fault Arab secularists whose lack of religious zealotry allowed the West to move ahead. All antidotes to these deductive beliefs — foreign aid, democratization, outreach, better communications — have so far proved ambiguous at best.
Here, a parallel with the “thinking” of Occupiers & Progressives.
Lots of great points, including but not limited to:
In this regard, the Obama administration’s therapeutic approach — jihad is a personal journey; Major Hasan committed workplace violence and endangered the Army’s diversity program; terrorism is a man-caused disaster; anti-terrorism is an overseas contingency operation; there is no war on Islamic terror; trying KSM in a civilian court; loud talk of shutting down Guantanamo; reading Miranda rights to terrorist suspects; loudly inventing underappreciated Islamic discoveries and inventions — is not just silly and embarrassing, but dangerous.
The therapeutic approach sends the message to the young terrorist that we are in some way culpable for the violence that he intends to commit, that there may not be dangerous repercussions to his terrorist acts, or that we do not believe in the values of our culture as much as he does in his own.
Our entire apparatus for conversing with the world about ourselves (media, academia, Hollywood) engages in self-slander.
If you treat yourself as a doormat, you cannot complain when people wipe their feet on you.
Our ENTIRE conversation with the world, through our information stream…poisons the well against us.
And, the reason that the brutish communist countries are not targets, is because the response would be swift, harsh and unequivocating.
We have been teeing up communism through our own traitorism and treason for four decades. We now reap what we have sown.
Yes, yes, and yes. I hope this article is widely and ever more widely reposted!!
One quibble and a parenthetical “I wonder.
Quibble: When we reduce immigration from countries whose policies are moving in the wrong direction, we should be careful not to penalize those individuals whose personal livelihoods/safety are being threatened by such changes. One thinks of Copts in Egypt, for example.
And the wonder: a propos foreign students from the mid-East in the US: In the 70s one could hardly turn around on a US campus without meeting an Iranian foreign student. The ones I got to know were delightful human beings who mostly enjoyed their American soujourns. I often think of them, aging “boomers” now. Have they been turned against the US? Or are they just so intimidated/marginalized that they have no influence on public discourse, to the extent that it exists? Are they a potential ideological “fifth colume” that could emerge in force if Khameini/Ahmedinajad were weakened?
I hold the lingering conviction that the Iranian people are far more pro western than in other Muslim countries but are held in check by the ruthless Neanderthals that have run the place since 1979.
Persian culture really was grand, as opposed to the grandiose claims of cretins like Arachnidjihad.
So sad that our President gave the Green Revolution the back of his hand.
but that’s the piece of crap our president is
What we are witnessing in the Middle East and North Africa is the Muslim Brotherhood’s march through the region. Sayyid Qutb”s “In the shade of the Qur’an” contains the theological underpinnings of (radical) Islam. Read Qutb’s “The Battle Between Islam and Capitalism” or “World Peace and Islam” to understand.
The Left was long ago co-opted by the Muslim Brothers. Their alliance is NOT NEW.
Qutb spend a year in Colorado in the late 1940′s.
It was then that he developed his stringent condemnation of loose American women (probably the bobby soxers who wouldn’t dance with the little creep) & returned to Egypt to write his screeds on despicable American females.
Which screeds convinced an Osama bin laden to turn away when his sister-in-law opened her door to him, unveiled.
Sexual weirdness is a huge component of modern Islamic “thought”.
Islamic sexuality: a survey of evil
“To the degree that the administration quietly kept in place most of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism protocols….”
Yeah, protocols put in place after being asleep at the switch on 9/11, taking their eye off the ball in Afghanistan by shifting attention to Iraq, and being clueless about what was needed to secure Iraq after the invasion.
Wait, wait, wait. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Bill Clinton, advised by Susan Rice, who passed on the chance to get Osama bin Laden in Sudan?
It is blindingly obvious that either no one in the Obama administration has ever studied or even read about the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood it philosophical foundation, its ultimate goals and writings of the Brotherhood’s Sayyid Qutb who remains a significant and influential thinker in the Muslim world to this day or agees with his goals. Professor Muhammad Qutb, Sayyid’s brother, was a teacher and mentor to the young Osama Bin Laden, who has grown to lead the radical Islamic terrorist movement. Today’s radical Islamic groups, such as al-Qaeda and Islamic Jihad, have borrowed much from the thought of Qutb in justifying their vision for the world and the violence they promote.
The Thought of Sayyid Qutb: Radical Islam’s Philosophical Foundations Statesmanship Thesis Recipient of the 2004 Charles E. Parton Award by Luke Loboda
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/thesis/loboda/home.html
Qutb’s writings influenced Ayman Mohammed Rabie al-Zawahiri an Egyptian and follower of Sayyid Qutb who is currently the leader of Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda organization.
By the age of 14, al-Zawahiri had joined the Muslim Brotherhood. The following year the Egyptian government executed Qutb for conspiracy, and al-Zawahiri, along with four other secondary school students, helped form an “underground cell devoted to overthrowing the government and establishing an Islamist state.” It was at this early age that al-Zawahiri developed a mission in life, “to put Qutb’s vision into action.”
These are the people now holding powerful position in Egypt and our President and diplomats are either ignorant of their past, present and future goals the destruction of Western civilization and the ultimate rule of Islam or, more likely, knowingly complicit.
Indeed. Zawahiri’s theory is that Egypt is the keystone. When Egypt falls to the MB, the rest of the muslim countries will also. In fact, Zawahiri refers to this idea as the Domino effect.
Isn’t it interesting that the FIRST place our President went was to Egypt. Where he basically acknowledged that Islam is superior to the West.
Isn’t it interesting that because of Obama’s betrayal of Mubarak, Egypt is now in MB hands.
Isn’t it interesting that Hillary Clinton’s most trusted advisor is MB (Huma Abedin).
None of the above is coincidence.
it is blindingly obvious that they know all about the brotherhood, mr. mosman
It’s long past time – long past – that we drop the “radical” qualifier. It’s Islam. Just plain Islam. Until we see concrete action or broad statements from a wide cross-sect conferences of Muslim “clerics” indicating they abhor the murder and repression done in the name of their “religion,” and that they recognize – and will work for their adherents to recognize – which century they’re in, there will be nothing to do but defend against them, when permitted to.
Islam is a peaceful religion and the Koran does not promote violence. Jihad is indeed understood by faithful Muslims as a quest for spiritual good. The problem comes from fundamentalist sects of Muslims who believe violence against the west is the answer. The fomenters are the Muslim clerics who daily preach hate and violence and urge all who hear to kill and destroy the west. Islam is an Abrahamic faith, established by God’s own hand.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Islam is not an Abrahamic faith created by God’s own hand as you allege. It’s a desert pagan cult which borrowed heavily from Judaism and Christianity which preceded it. That it is some benevolent benign religion is belied by its history. Islam always has bloody borders as it attempts to conquer at the end of the sword as opposed to Christ’s teaching yto try to reach the world by love. The whole concept of Dar Al Harb and Dar Al Islam divides the world into believers and infidels. Read Paul Fregosi’s “Jihad” for a documentation of Islam’s bloody history.
God was very concerned with Muslims’ sex lives, giving permission through whisperings of the Angel Gabriel that they should not have to refrain from sex during Ramadan and that the Prophet could have sexual relations with his adopted (or foster) son’s wife.
As well as recommendations to beat the recalcitrant woman lightly about the face and punish her by refusing to sleep with her.
All of which are contained in Sura in the Koran.
Caravan marauding was also high on God’s list of fruitful endeavors.
I once mentioned to a Muslim acquaintance that Mohammad was a pederast. She denied it. I asked her “But wasn’t it true that he married his favorite wife, Aisha, when she was a just little girl?” She pondered. Next day she came back and told me in a triumphant tone: “I researched it. What you say is true, BUT, he didn’t have sex with her until after she started her periods!”
So there.
Reportedly, Mohammed “consummated” the marriage when Aisha was 9.
Which “inspired” the Ayatollah Khomeini to reinstate age 9 as the marriageable age.
So, I guess the reason we don’t see urgent and active debate within the “Muslim community” about how to push back against the evil influence of the radicals is that it is only available in Arabic? Hmmmmmmm.
Yeah, riiiight.
So sorry. This doesn’t wash on this day in this century, just as it would not have washed in 1453 the day Constantinople fell and just as it would not have washed on September 11, 2001 after thousands dead in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington. I recommend that everyone — if they have never — read through the cockpit transcripts of Flight 93 as it headed for a peaceful appointment with spiritual good in a Pennsylvania field. The prophet whatshisname and the religion of peace is prominently mentioned. And since that day I have yet to notice anything but the most offhand, transient and pro forma statements of regret from any “cleric” in that expansionist political entity disguised as a religion known as Islam. And there has been NOTHING that approaches the level of a condemnation. We need to see this “peaceful” faction publicly declare themselves. If not, all the religion of peace blather is more of the same misdirection and flourish. We hear it too much as the bodies continue to pile up, the same droning justifications of the word “jihad’. Practically word for word. Note well that not everyone in the West swallows it. We will never forget 9/11, 2001.
Then there was this one, if you recall….http://www.wnd.com/2001/12/11863/
For a preacher gal, and I’ll assume preacher as in Protestant preacher, you seem to be woefully ignorant of exactly what is written about the ancestors of Islam and the prophetic nature of both past, present and future. Very brief, very succinct, very precise, and spoke of about 4,000 years go – which I would call incredibly prophetic.
From the Book of Genesis, Chapter 16:
11 The angel of the Lord also said to her (that would be Hagar):
“You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
———
See, I want to believe you about the peaceful nature of Islam. I want to believe most Muslims are indeed moderate and love their children as I love mine. I can look at Judaism, even the secular who call themselves Jews, and witness love of family. I see the fruits of their works. The world would be a much better, more dignified place if all mankind could follow their example.
Are we not as Christians are supposed to be able to discern truth? Without the ability to discern the truth, is our religion not dead and worthless?
I listen to Binjamin Netanyahu and actually have concluded his message is much closer to my basic tenets than our politically expedient President Barack Obama and his supposed religiosity, offensive to me in that it shares the same title.
And I offer as evidence this myth of peaceful Islam, ‘Palestine’ electing a known murderous group called Hamas as political representation. Where are these great works of Islamic humanity, freedom, liberty, and justice? If Islam is truly a religion of peace, surely there is some measure of proof where the scriptural rubber meets the road?
The proof is in the peaceful, observant Muslims who worship in our communities, who gather with people of other faiths to work for justice and reconciliation. Do you know any observant Muslims? have you talked one-on-one with any Muslim to try and understand their faith and how our one eternal God is revealed to them? I know peaceful, good Muslims who abhor the violence done in the name of Islam. I also know violent Christians who are closer to Taliban than the gospel of grace and love. The problem is made worse by putting all believers of any faith in the same category.
Interfaith alliances are another name for liberal politics with a thin veneer of “spirituality” wrapped around to mask the stench. Where are these Christian Taliban you speak?
Your answer didn’t answer my question – it conveniently avoided with generalities and blanket statements of opinion but nothing concrete in the way of facts. I just pointed out these peace seeking Muslims democratically elected a terrorist organization to lead them. I don’t measure what Muslims say. I measure what they do.
Let me guess. You had no problem with Park 51 mosque and in fact, thought it was an opportunity for Christian Americans to show their ‘tolerance’?
When Muslims are in the minority, they are all cooperative and peaceful. When they are in the majority, not so much.
“I know peaceful, good Muslims who abhor the violence done in the name of Islam”
Who you know are “middle easterners” in America who act and behave like WESTERNERS, because they have become accustomed to a CHRISTIAN outlook.
Who you know are Apostates, traitors to Mohammad who are condemned to death by all true followers of Islam for being seduced by “infidels” taking them as friends and following their ways of peace, forgiveness and and co-existance
These are EXPLICITLY Christian teachings and beliefs, and all such things are expressly forbidden Their Prophet.
Their is only ONE Islam, and it IS what Mohammad said it is.
And I for one am inclined to take HIS word for it, not YOURS, mmmKay?
Why do they attack America with such vengeance instead of Russia or China?
For the same reason mentally ill shooters target Columbine or Sandy Hook. They are advertized as gun free, unprotected zones. In fact, the Islamist knows that if they commit an act of terror in America, the regime will deny it is terror. They will read them their rights and serve them a Halal approved diet after they work out at the gym.
Events make history and when terrorism comes back to America often or in a large dose, the regime will not be able to brush it off as in Benghazi or Algeria.
Russia and China both have muslims living within their borders and next to their borders. The difference is that Russia and China don’t hesitate to use ‘excessive force’ against muslim attacks and incursions.
So, the next time you hear about Russia attacking nothern Georgia, just for one exaple, don’t get all upset about Russia being a militant agressor. The same wrt Chinese ‘incursions’ along much of their eastern borders.
The US? We no longer understand how to fight against those who would kill us all.
Take your point, but the majority of Georgian nationals are Christian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Georgia_%28country%29
Might wanta look into what their muslim population has been up to over the years…
“For a displaced German now to speak of a right of return to “Danzig” is creepy; for a Palestinian to demand residence in Haifa after a similar seven decades of absence is appropriate.”
It’s ALL creepy. VERY creepy.
Some of the Nazis of the Third Reich WERE Muslims.
There was never any de-Nazification in the Balkans and the Middle East. Those Nazis came back to haunt us in the form of Croatian and Bosnian neo-Nazis in the 1990s, and in the form of the Palestianian movement from the 1960s onward.
The very influential Grand Mufti Husseini of Jerusalem was a Nazi in all but dress, the patron saint of the “Hitlers in headscarves” who still people the Arab world.
“The West Must Atone for Its Past Behavior” This is the exact same meme keeping American Blacks angry at their White ‘oppressors’.
You must be referring to the “victims” that obama keeps saying there are none that feel this way in this country. I am 100% positive he knows that’s exactly how these folks think; he and his administration have been working towards that end all of their political lives. That is how the anger can be exponentially increased.
“They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”
and obama proved it, bowing down low before the saudi king slave trader abdullah
how stupid obama-loving american blacks are, but then again maybe they aren’t
bet if asked would they also like to go and bow down low to their arab slave master
they’d think twice, say no, and realize what a craven servile creep obama really is
If we didn’t have such weasels in power in this country, things might be different. We need the kind of president Bill Whittle describes in this great video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLoYxr8gOP4&feature=player_embedded
The nations have gorged the Islamic beast with petroleum dollars and “aid” (bribe money). Somehow these nations think they are in control of the beast but the beast has turned and burned the nations with fire. Now the beast is inside the gates and there is no escape from the beast except all out war. Now, like the money managers in the US and Europe, some think they can just kick the can down the road and leave it to others to deal with the beast and some seek to empower the beast even further as if in a suicide pact (Obama enabling Iran to achieve nuclear status).
As Victor say’s, cutting off the Islamic beast would be a good start, but by now it is far too late to change much if anything. We have managed to restore that which was previously destroyed (the old Islamic empire) and it wants to kill us still.
The good news is that the beast will destroy itself eventually but there won’t be much of anything else left either, when all is said and done, because there are also many opportunists out there who will try and take advantage of the chaos. A war fought on many fronts.
Your article is upbeat and on the right track but we do need to rid ourselves of the socialist/marxist administration that is infiltrating muslims into that administration. This will be no small task but we are up for the challenge. To arms! To arms!
Even Leftrolls know that Islam is no good, but they don’t care. They see Jihadis as a surrogate army that they can let loose upon their own enemies, and therefore welcome in with open arms, while they laugh about it, “Look what we did to you evil right-wingers! We didn’t even have to get our own hands dirty! HAHAHA!”.
They seriously do not seem to believe (or care) that the Islamic World hates them just as much, and has no designs on leaving them alone or giving them any sort of pass. They’re going to be just as much of a target as their oh-so-hated “Right-wingers”.
They can gloat about their surrogate Jihadi army coming to kill conservatives all they want, but they’d better start to understand that they’re just as much of a target to Jihadis too.
Right on spot! The Islamists are as their claimed idols, the Nazis: “First we kill the Jews then the democratic Socialists, and then all what’s left”.
Montesquieu had these people figured out 300+ years ago:
“It is a misfortune to human nature when religion is given by a conqueror. The Mahometan religion, which speaks only by the sword, acts still upon men with that destructive spirit with which it was founded.”
More recent luminaries like Winston Churchill, John Quincy Adams & Mark Twain have made similar observations.
It is only we of this nascent 21st century that seem to be dumber than boxes of rocks.
(over and out)
Thank you. As always, a great read and to the point. I have sent a link to this article to all my friends and associates.
“Our immigration policy in general is wrecked. But we should radically reassess granting visas to those from non-democratic countries in the Middle East.”
The question really is why have we let in any Muslims (not ‘people from the middle east’) after 9/11 at all?
It is all about the OIL!!!
Daniel Pipes, one of our foremost contemporary scholars of Islam, a man of the right and an opponent of MB, CAIR, etc., makes a compelling case that, in a way important to policy, there are distinct “moderate” and “radical” (as well as traditional) versions of Islam (see most recently, http://www.danielpipes.org/12459/turkey-leading-middle-east).
The “Religion of Peace” meme and the “Religion of Pieces” or “I-slam” meme are idiot twins.
Daniel Pipes is great but the great are not immune from being wrong. Even Ghandi. ;) (“Ghandi was wrong.” – Billy, Seven Psychopaths.)
Thank you for your reply.
I would say that Pipes’ specialty is Islam. Consequently, if he is wrong about the central analytical issue w/respect to Islam, i.e., its nature, then he can’t be great.
To my mind, Pipes’ strength is that he goes beyond both dogmas of left and right and religious text analysis and examines and how life is lived and politics conducted in the Muslim world to come to his conculsions.
#3 Mr. Hanson seems a lot like the media ignoring the black on black crime in America, while going hysterical over an insane white boy killing the innocent with a gun, or a white/hispanic man killing a black boy. Both are tragedies but the silence among the elite in the media about black youth killing eachother is criminal.
like the Congressional Black Caucus, for instance, the creeps
Greetings:
For me, it boils down to this.
First, Islam is the millstone. If your plan doesn’t include constraining, undermining, or eradicating ISlam, you don’t have a plan. What you have is a hope.
Second, Muslim gratitude is like a Missouri-Warhol River: a verbal mile wide; an actual inch deep; and flowing for about 15 minutes.
Read ‘em and weep.
I disagree with Mr Hanson on why the Islamists hate us. He says its
because of envy and a sense of inferiority. Its because we’re in the
way. If there was no United States, Islamists would have a better chance
at obtaining their goal of a world caliphate.
What is Islam? Only a Muslim can answer that question and they give conflicting answers. There are plenty of wonderful Muslims, some of them were my students. In large parts of the Middle East, Islam is religion and religion is the worship of God, right relationships with family and neighbors, peace and justice at the level of the community. When we talk about radical Islam rather than Islam we are attempting to drive a wedge between Muslims who will live in peace with other people and Muslims who see a divine imperative to make others submit. The alternative is to get bogged down in internal disputes among Muslims about what Islam is. Do we further the cause of peace by convincing every Muslim that violent jihad equals Islam or do we play into the hands of the Salafists and the Wahhabis who are trying to do the same thing?
A Muslim tells me Islam is a religion of peace. I take him at his word and use this as a starting point for exploring how we can live together in the same community and how we can thwart those who commit crimes against humanity in the name of Islam.
Re:
“There are plenty of wonderful Muslims, some of them were my students.”
Where are they right now? What specifically are they doing, have they done, or are they planning to do in the immediate future to expose their co-religionists as the arrant hypocrites that they are, and as the freeloaders-absorbers of the benefits of your lectures at whatever school they heard them, unless they either leave our America, or actively and publicly support the infidel American hands that have been and are feeding them.
I suspect they remain passive because they run the certain risk of having their throats slit by their co-religionists. There is no “wonder” in that thinking. That’s called “pragmatism”.
These quiescent “wonderful Muslims” are a Janus-faced chimera.
The whole piece is good but this jumps off the page!
“Symbolic pressure is a psychological mechanism to excuse factual impotence.”
I agree. This statement pretty much sums up the approach of the West to what are obvious “existential” threats to individual liberty and the rule of law.
Dismantle all the talks about “radicals” and “mainstream-Islam”. Islam in itself is an offence to mankind. To please Morsi in Egypt by supplying The Brotherhood with advanced weaponry is outright stupidity. Let his “ape and pigs” speech in 2010 alone, smearing the Jews and Israel, shows his real intensions towards the Jewish state.
The logic behind the U.S. military supply isn’t difficult to fathom: You’ll get these nice material things – but don’t use them against anybody; otherwise the delivery will come to a halt. But in any circumstance Morsi and his brothers have by that time enough hard goods to do evil with.
Well, handle the Saudis and all the other rogue Muslim states as the Russians and Chinese. In Moscow, you hardly see one single person with the Muslim headgear. The Russians have dealt with the Muslim threat in several hundred years. They have them in their own backyard. They know them – and they know how to scare the hell out of them.
No Mecca or Khaaba, no hajj.
That’s one pillar down.
(No Jewish Jerusalem, no Revelations or Messiah.
Who’s gonna win this race?)
It’s worse than just lying fantasies – it’s trying to prove a negative!
I say (with lots of factual proof they don’t want to hear:)
“Islam is ONLY a crime syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it,
is where they say:
“God told us to commit these crimes!”
(Capisce?)!
…and then they automatically use immoral relativism to say:
“NO IT’S NOT! NO IT’S NOT! ISLAM ISN’T EVIL BECAUSE WE ALL DO IT TOO! WHEE!”
…as if merely by listing two or more wrongs, turns some of them into rights!
Al Qaeda Never Existed
An excerpt from the documentary, “The Power of Nightmares” Robin Cook, a former British MP and Minister of Foreign Affairs wrote that Al-Qaeda, “literally ‘the database’, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.” Thus, “Al-Qaeda” was born as an instrument of western intelligence agencies. The creation of Al-Qaeda was facilitated by the CIA and allied intelligence networks, the purpose of which was to maintain this “database” of Mujahideen to be used as intelligence assets to achieve US foreign policy objectives, throughout both the Cold War, and into the post-Cold War era of the ‘new world order’.
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2010/12/al-qaeda-never-existed
Islam is bad company.
They say a sadist is someone who’s kind to a masochist.
Well, here’s the thing—who would you rather hang out with? Someone who kicks you in the gonads, or someone who treats you with respect, or as the Christians put it, “loves your neighbor as yourself.”?
There are three aspects to any reality.
Birth = begin =create= Yahweh = Brahma
Endure=sustain=Jesus=Vishnu
Death= end=destroy=Satan=Shiva.
Aside from the True Form of Islam, practiced by the Sufis, what is expressing itself in the name of mainstream Islam is simply the third aspect—destruction, or nihilism.
Islam is NOT a life-positive religion!
I’m studying “The Origins of Totalitarianism”, by Hannah Arendt, from 1951, revised in 1966. Her historical look at what Hitler and Stalin wrought is so painful to digest! It is amazing how pivotal the “Jewish question” ended up being, and she provides details that transcend what most people take to be anti-Semitism.
Perhaps the bottom line is this—there exist, STILL TODAY, too many tribes to keep track of, and the Islamic “tribe” is about as hardcore as possible—you’re either with them or you’re against them.
I can picture the future—behavior mod, spare the rod.
Like a naughty three year old, the way to go is to isolate them, to send them to their corner, and—LEAVE THEM ALONE. After all, it’s what they want, as their actions speak volumes.
Therefore, prudent humans who aren’t Moslems will probably forgo traveling to Egypt to see the pyramids, for example. In my view, only an idiot would spend any time and money in places filled with radicals who’d slice their head off in a split second!
Go away, there can be no marriage between Christianity and Hinduism.
Huh?
Can anyone provide a link[s] to a documented quote where an Administration spokesman described the Muslim Brotherhood as “moderate?” [quote unquote]
Thanks.
james clapper muslim brotherhood remarks
This might help;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/islam_a_religion_of_peace_actions_say_otherwise.html
Thank you for your efforts. I was explicitly looking for use of the word “moderate.” I should have made clear that I had already Googled this issue, and found, for example, Clapper’s remarks where he described the Muslim Brotherhood as a largely secular. The Obama Administration quickly backtracked Clapper’s statement.
While Hillary Clinton has an aide whose family has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, I have not found any statement from Hillary Clinton where she characterizes the Muslim Brotherhood as [quote unquote] “moderate.” I have not found any Hillary Clinton statement where she explicitly uses the word “moderate” to describe the Muslim Brotherhood.
For all the bullheaded things the Obama Administration has said and done with respect to Middle East policy, I have not found any statement where an Obama Administration spokesman has explicitly used the word “moderate” to describe the Muslim Brotherhood. Yes, they may treat the MB as if it were moderate, but they never use the word “moderate.”
Regarding the American Thinker link, that just sounds like more of the “Islam is the Religion of Peace” claptrap that we also heard from President Bush.
There is a statement from an Obama Administration spokesman that talks about trying to encourage or work with the “moderate” elements of Hezbollah. Not very bright. Like calling Trotsky “moderate” compared to Stalin, or vice versa. But as far as I can tell, no such statement about the Muslim Brotherhood.
Who speaks for Islam?
Not Mr.Morsi, not one Muslim or Muslim organization speaks for Islam. Any Islamic mullah can issue a Fatwa, an Islamic license to kill, on anyone for any perceived slight of Islam, the Prophet or whatever reason he thinks justifies a death sentence. Any Islamic mullah can incite riots, violence and killing over any perceived offense to the religion In the real world, issuing an order to or soliciting for someone to kill another person or inciting violence are criminal offenses and subject to arrest and trial but political correctness allows Muslim clerics to order killings without fear of punishment and the Western world cringes at the idea that a fatwa or a threat might be issued for an author, comedy show, publisher, movie director, actor, historian, museum or even a University. The Metropolitan Museum in New York and Yale are examples along with Comedy Central that have practiced self-censorship and political correctness under or to avoid threat or actual attacks from Muslims.
Until the first arrest order is issued for a mullah who declares a fatwa against anyone for any reason or incites violence, the rest of the world is under the control of radical Islam.
Where are the peaceful “Muslims against sharia” protest groups, the “Muslims against fatwas” protest groups, the ‘Muslims against suicide bombers protest groups”, the “Muslims against car bombs in Times Square, in markets, in assemblies of job seekers and other crowded places” protest groups? Where are the “Muslims protests against the Islamist murderers killing of American diplomats and innocent workers”?
The sound of silence is deafening.
Radical Islam is a direct threat to the Judaic -Christian Western countries
The Western countries have been inundated with Muslims that have no use for our country or our way of life .
Why have they been allowed to invade our society makes me very concerned,
I understand that there are now around ten million Muslims in The USA and the same in Europe.
Imagine what they are capable to do.
The biggest fantasy is the mantra that W foolishly spouted, “Islam is a religion of peace.” That mantra is absolutely NOT true.
TERMS, STUDENTS, CITIZENSHIP
Jihadist, Muslim Extremist, and Islamofascist are terms which appear a tad off to me. The Koran verses, though not in order, describe the Prophet’s low success from preaching and niceness and his astounding progress from conquest and sword-conversion. It is the Later Verse Enthusiasts causing the uproar. It is just like your Army platoon. Some have flawless brass and gleaming spit-shined boots. Most have passable spit-shines and clean brass. The rest are on the slope to hopeless. The Early Verse Enthusiasts do not want to do Jihad acts but they are still in the same organization.
The Moderate Muslim is the un-prodded Muslim. The Early Versers are inclined to convert to something less blood-drippy.
Sharia should be used as an investigative tool.
Foreign students from Muslim lands who are not Muslims can study anything.
Muslim foreign students should be limited to courses not containing blasphemy. All of science is blasphemy, higher math too. Blasphemy courses would be science, higher math, history, visual arts, music, and the filth of English literature such as the female misbehavior in the Bronte’s works, Fielding, and Chaucer etc. Religion and language would probably be safe.
There was a doctrine change (10th-11th Century). Before, a Muslim living in lands out of Muslim control was an apostate of some kind. The reform view was that it was OK as Muslims in foreign lands are now considered colonists and social-demolitionists.
Muslims who are found to be Later Verse Enthusiasts should raise the question of their inability to be loyal to any secular power in any facet which disagrees with the Koran and Sharia. Such a person could be granted citizenship, but the oath would be a de-facto tool to further Islam. It would be kinder to cancel their citizenship to the non-Muslim country and return them to any place in the Ummah as it is not possible for them to be a citizen of a Western country in the Western meaning of citizenship and loyalty. They are the individuals contemplated by the doctrine change. It would be reasonable for the EU to expel Later Verse Enthusiasts in this way, despite the 1967 European-Arabian Dialogue Treaty.
The Arabian countries could protest such returns. Negotiations over this should not be on a level used by rule-of-law nations but on the level of a trader culture where might makes right. Tell the Arabian nation protesting to take the Later Verse Enthusiasts back or take them all back. Though they would threaten to cut oil off, they would comply. Getting them all back and losing the colonizing grip would be a disaster as great as the September 11, 1683 eradication of the Ottoman Army by Prince Peter III Sobieski, King of Poland, as he erupted from the impenetrable Vienna Woods with the Polish Cavalry to smash the Ottoman camp and destroy the Siege of Vienna.
Get the Dhimmi out.
Know thine enemy.
Remove Saudi Arabia from equation and Sharia movement collapses, the funding of Hamas ends, funding of MB ends, Terrorist training camps in Pakistan ends, Global Terror attacks will drop…and the world will know West will no longer suffer under Saudi Sharia Terror.
The only question; does the West have courage to take a Stand. It will cause short term pain but to continue arming Saudi Arabia especially as it appears they march towards Nuclear weaponry, is Insanity. We are arming the same people that vowed to destroy Western Democracy and freedom.
The issue of radical Islam or Moderate Islam is inconsequential, that is a diversion and disrupts focus. We should care less what religion anyone believes in, or where they are from. If they promote Terror as Saudi Arabia does, then it does not matter if they call themselves Muslim, or Buddist, or Christian, the West must take a stand and destroy them before they undermine fabric of Western Civilization.
Here is a thought experiment. What if, in the future, Earth was no longer inhabitable, but there was a stable star we could warp to quickly that had four beautiful planets good for humans, but otherwise containing no life other than lower-conscious animals?
Now, suppose we named these four planets, “1776,” “Socialism,” “Communism” and “Islam.” And the entire population of Earth (or even part of the population) divided themselves into these planets. Everyone, then, went where they thought like.
What, do you suppose, would happen?
Well, if liberty is defined as mutual dedication to self-control… since there are no angels to organize… anything…. then:
Each citizen of his favorite future planet would take one of the following planet pledges:
Planet 1776: Liberty-Lovers must be free from all forms of enslavement, so that we are free to think and think well.
Planet Socialism: Liberty-Lovers must be made into rubes and mentally and financially enslaved at bare minimum, else thought be uncontrolled, since uncontrolled thought is intolerable and ranks as an unspeakable crime against humanity.
Planet Communism: Liberty Lovers must be shot, sooner than later, because might is right, and that is how thought is best controlled, as history undeniably proves.
Planet Islam: Liberty-Lovers must be shot to hell, as a favor to man and God.
Motto of Planet 1776: WE agree to pay our own way.
Motto of Planet Socialism: THEY shall pay our own way.
Motto of Planet Communism: YOU shall pay our own way.
Motto of Planet Islam: GOD says pay.