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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] half-billion Greek-speakers, we most certainly would wish to solve the “Cyprus crisis”. &#8212; Victor Davis Hanson, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Kean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Kean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... is the snow storm also Nemesis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; is the snow storm also Nemesis?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/civilizations-lies/#comment-43504</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor,

Another masterpiece.  These are the narratives that no liberal can deny and only deflect with appeals to emotion or by changing the subject. 
WELL DONE.</description>
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<p>Another masterpiece.  These are the narratives that no liberal can deny and only deflect with appeals to emotion or by changing the subject.<br />
WELL DONE.</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rapture is not an errant doctrine; it is the Resurrection of the Just, which is something that no one can be saved without believing in, for to deny the Resurrection of the Just is to deny the Resurrection of Christ, outside of which, there is no salvation.  As for the fear it causes, the only fear that teaching the Rapture induces is the healthy fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of wisdom.  And if we have cause to fear the Wrath of God to be poured out during the Tribulation, how much more should we fear His Eternal Wrath, inflicted forever in the Lake of Fire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rapture is not an errant doctrine; it is the Resurrection of the Just, which is something that no one can be saved without believing in, for to deny the Resurrection of the Just is to deny the Resurrection of Christ, outside of which, there is no salvation.  As for the fear it causes, the only fear that teaching the Rapture induces is the healthy fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of wisdom.  And if we have cause to fear the Wrath of God to be poured out during the Tribulation, how much more should we fear His Eternal Wrath, inflicted forever in the Lake of Fire?</p>
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		<title>By: Gylippus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/civilizations-lies/#comment-43446</link>
		<dc:creator>Gylippus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>73. Proreason.  Thanks for your thoughts on this subject.  I find it intriguing also...

“I think it is all about ego, ego and greed.” 

No doubt those are factors.  But I know many people with strong egos and / or high ambitions who aren&#039;t as obsessed with destroying all who think differently like Gore is, or gaining universal power.  There is something extra (or lacking) in people like him.  There is a certain humorless-ness with which he goes about his business.  He doesn&#039;t seem to connect with other people, rather sees us all as vaguely threatening automatons who must be forced into a mold of his making.  

Hitler had some of those same qualities, but not Mussolini.  The Mussolini types are dangerous but responsive, the Gore types can turn monstrous because they cannot feel anything outside themselves... weird.   At any rate, I think it&#039;s important to become sensitized to this personality type.  There are behavioral patterns which can be recognized that reveal that, beneath the seemingly polished and articulate facade, you may be dealing with a psychopath.  And there are a number like that in Obama&#039;s entourage.

“300 years ago, the divine right of kings was the formulation that gave that tiny elite the priviledge of ruling with uncheckeded power... “

I totally agree that Marxism is an unconscious quest to restore feudalism, at least in its initial stages.  
But it goes beyond that too.  European Feudalism was actually, for the most part, a fairly free-wheeling system compared to the earliest and most enduring forms of human civilization – the “chiliarchies” of the late Neolithic and Bronze age. My own sense is that is where Marx (and his ilk) unconsciously wants us to go.  A place where every single individual is literally part of a unified system of behavior and belief, with a single individual ego (embodying the godhead) sitting at the very top.  That is invariably where the collectivist impulse leads, given enough time:  A throwback to pre-Biblical epochs where individuals had no destiny beyond that of a cog.

Add to that a desire to close all doors on the future.  To &#039;freeze&#039; change forever, so that no-one can ever break out of the mold again, or create something new (which would threaten the perfection of egalitarian unity.)  It is, at its root, a denial of the chaotic, creative/destructive nature of human life, and thus of life itself. 
 
This is of course all very abstract, but you can see it in the policies of The One which can be summarized as.:  Level society, control citizens, limit future options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>73. Proreason.  Thanks for your thoughts on this subject.  I find it intriguing also&#8230;</p>
<p>“I think it is all about ego, ego and greed.” </p>
<p>No doubt those are factors.  But I know many people with strong egos and / or high ambitions who aren&#8217;t as obsessed with destroying all who think differently like Gore is, or gaining universal power.  There is something extra (or lacking) in people like him.  There is a certain humorless-ness with which he goes about his business.  He doesn&#8217;t seem to connect with other people, rather sees us all as vaguely threatening automatons who must be forced into a mold of his making.  </p>
<p>Hitler had some of those same qualities, but not Mussolini.  The Mussolini types are dangerous but responsive, the Gore types can turn monstrous because they cannot feel anything outside themselves&#8230; weird.   At any rate, I think it&#8217;s important to become sensitized to this personality type.  There are behavioral patterns which can be recognized that reveal that, beneath the seemingly polished and articulate facade, you may be dealing with a psychopath.  And there are a number like that in Obama&#8217;s entourage.</p>
<p>“300 years ago, the divine right of kings was the formulation that gave that tiny elite the priviledge of ruling with uncheckeded power&#8230; “</p>
<p>I totally agree that Marxism is an unconscious quest to restore feudalism, at least in its initial stages.<br />
But it goes beyond that too.  European Feudalism was actually, for the most part, a fairly free-wheeling system compared to the earliest and most enduring forms of human civilization – the “chiliarchies” of the late Neolithic and Bronze age. My own sense is that is where Marx (and his ilk) unconsciously wants us to go.  A place where every single individual is literally part of a unified system of behavior and belief, with a single individual ego (embodying the godhead) sitting at the very top.  That is invariably where the collectivist impulse leads, given enough time:  A throwback to pre-Biblical epochs where individuals had no destiny beyond that of a cog.</p>
<p>Add to that a desire to close all doors on the future.  To &#8216;freeze&#8217; change forever, so that no-one can ever break out of the mold again, or create something new (which would threaten the perfection of egalitarian unity.)  It is, at its root, a denial of the chaotic, creative/destructive nature of human life, and thus of life itself. </p>
<p>This is of course all very abstract, but you can see it in the policies of The One which can be summarized as.:  Level society, control citizens, limit future options.</p>
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		<title>By: Gylippus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/civilizations-lies/#comment-43445</link>
		<dc:creator>Gylippus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>62. D.S. - Thanks for your interesting comments.  Earlier last century Hannah Arhendt and others commented on &#039;Totalitarianism&#039; being predicated on industrialization and advanced technology.  The more people come to rely on technology to get through their daily lives, the more people are controllable by those who control the technology.  It&#039;s actually an old problem, going back to the &#039;Hydraulic Despotisms&#039; of Bronze-Age Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and China.  The history of human civilization is an elastic.  It tends to want to resume the shape it was made in.

It was the Greeks who through some seemingly miraculous innovation broke the mold, and formed advanced societies where power was broadly based among a relatively free citizenry.  We are their heirs.  But it is an especially fragile model for the reasons I tried to outline in my previous post.  The Athenians also fell victim to ideological infighting for power during the time of the Pelopponesian War, though I find it hard to tell if one side was deliberately trying to subvert the democracy in quite the same way as the Dems are today in the U.S.  Perhaps the good Dr. has some thoughts on this?

So technology (and other specialized knowledge with significant economic value) has always been a potential trap for the individual, as well as an enabler (contradictions are everywhere!)  Today however, the technology is very information rich.  That is to say that we are all leaving electronic traces (the Long Tail) everywhere.  And so our consumption needs / habits can be tracked.  If government can centralize that knowledge (including our political leanings), they will have near total control over us.  They can isolate and destroy you if they think you are a political threat.  It is a new form of uber-totalitarianism which does not bode well for the future of mankind.  Thus two very different kinds of possible futures lie before us, and one of them is very dark. That is what I find to be the most disturbing thing about the direction that Obama is pushing the nation, and the role of government.  They want to establish control over how we think.  It is indeed very Orwellian, and that is ultimately what this fight is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>62. D.S. &#8211; Thanks for your interesting comments.  Earlier last century Hannah Arhendt and others commented on &#8216;Totalitarianism&#8217; being predicated on industrialization and advanced technology.  The more people come to rely on technology to get through their daily lives, the more people are controllable by those who control the technology.  It&#8217;s actually an old problem, going back to the &#8216;Hydraulic Despotisms&#8217; of Bronze-Age Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and China.  The history of human civilization is an elastic.  It tends to want to resume the shape it was made in.</p>
<p>It was the Greeks who through some seemingly miraculous innovation broke the mold, and formed advanced societies where power was broadly based among a relatively free citizenry.  We are their heirs.  But it is an especially fragile model for the reasons I tried to outline in my previous post.  The Athenians also fell victim to ideological infighting for power during the time of the Pelopponesian War, though I find it hard to tell if one side was deliberately trying to subvert the democracy in quite the same way as the Dems are today in the U.S.  Perhaps the good Dr. has some thoughts on this?</p>
<p>So technology (and other specialized knowledge with significant economic value) has always been a potential trap for the individual, as well as an enabler (contradictions are everywhere!)  Today however, the technology is very information rich.  That is to say that we are all leaving electronic traces (the Long Tail) everywhere.  And so our consumption needs / habits can be tracked.  If government can centralize that knowledge (including our political leanings), they will have near total control over us.  They can isolate and destroy you if they think you are a political threat.  It is a new form of uber-totalitarianism which does not bode well for the future of mankind.  Thus two very different kinds of possible futures lie before us, and one of them is very dark. That is what I find to be the most disturbing thing about the direction that Obama is pushing the nation, and the role of government.  They want to establish control over how we think.  It is indeed very Orwellian, and that is ultimately what this fight is about.</p>
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		<title>By: JSebastian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/civilizations-lies/#comment-43442</link>
		<dc:creator>JSebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a concern, and maybe someone here can give me an answer, here it is:

From the likes of the Gores, Kerrys, Edwards and Kennedys of this world I could expect much nonsense and arrogance; these are after all ill earned, inherited, or looted fortunes (I say &quot;looted,&quot; for calling a name to such things as earning millions by suing doctors).

Where I have a problem is with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.  These are people I still admire deeply, they went against many obstacles to build their fortunes in an honest, and very capitalistic, way.  Why they speak now in favor of the things they had to fight against on their way up?

Gates and Buffet have protected their fortunes from being inherited by the federal government, why then they want the government to inherit mine?  Buffet, for instance, is very effective in protecting his income from federal taxes, then why he speaks in favor of having others pay more taxes?  Why has Buffet supported mayor government intervention in the economy, shouldn&#039;t be this the last thing a hard working businessman would want?  Why was he so strongly supporting Bernanke&#039;s confirmation, as if the future on the nation depended only on that man alone?

Any reasonable answers? or should I just ask: Who is John Galt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a concern, and maybe someone here can give me an answer, here it is:</p>
<p>From the likes of the Gores, Kerrys, Edwards and Kennedys of this world I could expect much nonsense and arrogance; these are after all ill earned, inherited, or looted fortunes (I say &#8220;looted,&#8221; for calling a name to such things as earning millions by suing doctors).</p>
<p>Where I have a problem is with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.  These are people I still admire deeply, they went against many obstacles to build their fortunes in an honest, and very capitalistic, way.  Why they speak now in favor of the things they had to fight against on their way up?</p>
<p>Gates and Buffet have protected their fortunes from being inherited by the federal government, why then they want the government to inherit mine?  Buffet, for instance, is very effective in protecting his income from federal taxes, then why he speaks in favor of having others pay more taxes?  Why has Buffet supported mayor government intervention in the economy, shouldn&#8217;t be this the last thing a hard working businessman would want?  Why was he so strongly supporting Bernanke&#8217;s confirmation, as if the future on the nation depended only on that man alone?</p>
<p>Any reasonable answers? or should I just ask: Who is John Galt?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two types of immigrants.  Traditonally, the overwhelming amount were the good-hearted free spirits who recognized the shortcomings of their native land, not only in economic opportunity, but in national character (perhaps influenced by the former, but also causing it).  

The societies these immigrants flee have mores conditioned by a malignant political climate that, by punishing the succesful individual who managed to rise above the intentionally oppressed norm of mandated egalitarianism which created heavy strains of secretiveness, gossip, distrust, envy, and reporting on one&#039;s neighbor running through a Soviet urban neighborhood, or even through a Balkan village a few generations removed from centuries of Ottomanism, making not only individual economic freedom very difficult to acquire (without being a member of the ruling class), but even recreational socializing often a miserable thing to endure (with true friends few and far between).

And those kinds of immigrants are not only very grateful Americans, but also very patriotic and assimilate well.  Some Americanize their names, marry Americans, and don&#039;t even bother passing on their heritage to their offspring.  Others--and most, I would guess--try to preserve the best parts of their heritage, and stay involved in the shared ethnic aspects of their community, but still very grateful, and proud, to be Americans, fully aware of the words of the pledge they took, and honoring their sacred oath.  

But over time, the very freedom that drew the disillusioned and dispossessed and the truly best and brightest from all over the world to come here also brought the very statists they fled from to come here and--with self-righteous smugness-- set up shop.

It wasn&#039;t their own countries&#039; deficiencies--political, economic, or cultural--that were to blame for the exoduses, but America&#039;s racist, sexist, corporatist, militarist, and fascist imperialism which had caused the other nations of the world&#039;s deficiencies to begin with.

Some of those anti-American Americans even say that the predominant whiteness and monotheistic Christianity of the United States is the *causus causata* of the misery.

Anyway, America&#039;s (hitherto) excellent standard of living and freedoms are just incidentals that really have nothing to do with the culture--or its Constitution-- that is maligned as described.  In fact, it&#039;s all built on the backs of 17th-19th Century slaves and 20th-21st Century illegal aliens, anyhow, with women used as incubating machines for The Man to perpetuate the malignities.

Or something like that.  Whatever it is, they just don&#039;t like America, and with no apologies use the very freedom America--and only America--gives them to work for its destruction (or at the very least its comeuppance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two types of immigrants.  Traditonally, the overwhelming amount were the good-hearted free spirits who recognized the shortcomings of their native land, not only in economic opportunity, but in national character (perhaps influenced by the former, but also causing it).  </p>
<p>The societies these immigrants flee have mores conditioned by a malignant political climate that, by punishing the succesful individual who managed to rise above the intentionally oppressed norm of mandated egalitarianism which created heavy strains of secretiveness, gossip, distrust, envy, and reporting on one&#8217;s neighbor running through a Soviet urban neighborhood, or even through a Balkan village a few generations removed from centuries of Ottomanism, making not only individual economic freedom very difficult to acquire (without being a member of the ruling class), but even recreational socializing often a miserable thing to endure (with true friends few and far between).</p>
<p>And those kinds of immigrants are not only very grateful Americans, but also very patriotic and assimilate well.  Some Americanize their names, marry Americans, and don&#8217;t even bother passing on their heritage to their offspring.  Others&#8211;and most, I would guess&#8211;try to preserve the best parts of their heritage, and stay involved in the shared ethnic aspects of their community, but still very grateful, and proud, to be Americans, fully aware of the words of the pledge they took, and honoring their sacred oath.  </p>
<p>But over time, the very freedom that drew the disillusioned and dispossessed and the truly best and brightest from all over the world to come here also brought the very statists they fled from to come here and&#8211;with self-righteous smugness&#8211; set up shop.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t their own countries&#8217; deficiencies&#8211;political, economic, or cultural&#8211;that were to blame for the exoduses, but America&#8217;s racist, sexist, corporatist, militarist, and fascist imperialism which had caused the other nations of the world&#8217;s deficiencies to begin with.</p>
<p>Some of those anti-American Americans even say that the predominant whiteness and monotheistic Christianity of the United States is the *causus causata* of the misery.</p>
<p>Anyway, America&#8217;s (hitherto) excellent standard of living and freedoms are just incidentals that really have nothing to do with the culture&#8211;or its Constitution&#8211; that is maligned as described.  In fact, it&#8217;s all built on the backs of 17th-19th Century slaves and 20th-21st Century illegal aliens, anyhow, with women used as incubating machines for The Man to perpetuate the malignities.</p>
<p>Or something like that.  Whatever it is, they just don&#8217;t like America, and with no apologies use the very freedom America&#8211;and only America&#8211;gives them to work for its destruction (or at the very least its comeuppance).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not enough people have seen this reality coming and as you have observed good Doctor is already here. The trumpet needs to blow a lot louder than it has or the crisis will soon be a tragedy that can&#039;t be stopped.
When the government checks stop showing up in mail boxes in our cities. Who knows what will happen except these people will be manipulated by fools and will panic.
We can&#039;t do enough to sound the alarm but we can try. We can also prepare ourselves to help our neighbors for it is better to be living beside a trusted friend than a desperate angry man with nowhere to turn.
Sound the alarm again and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not enough people have seen this reality coming and as you have observed good Doctor is already here. The trumpet needs to blow a lot louder than it has or the crisis will soon be a tragedy that can&#8217;t be stopped.<br />
When the government checks stop showing up in mail boxes in our cities. Who knows what will happen except these people will be manipulated by fools and will panic.<br />
We can&#8217;t do enough to sound the alarm but we can try. We can also prepare ourselves to help our neighbors for it is better to be living beside a trusted friend than a desperate angry man with nowhere to turn.<br />
Sound the alarm again and again.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sheedy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/civilizations-lies/#comment-43433</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sheedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sheezstiks@64 - more invective and character attacks - and you continue to about yourself.

When your perspective changes, I&#039;m sure your life will improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sheezstiks@64 &#8211; more invective and character attacks &#8211; and you continue to about yourself.</p>
<p>When your perspective changes, I&#8217;m sure your life will improve.</p>
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