Earlier today, I linked to a Huffington Post article concerning Christopher Dorner’s “manifesto” that he wrote to justify the slaughter, and continued slaughter, of Los Angeles citizens. I wrote that a majority of Huffington Post commenters were openly supportive of mass murder. Here is more pro-mass murder sentiment from HuffPo readers.
sweetnancy44 belies her name with this:
“Even though I disagree with his solution, I understand why this man saw no other way to vindicate himself from the wrong that was done to him. Even though I am a white woman, he and I are very much alike in our opinions and beliefs. I think when we are wronged we may wish we could harm the person that wronged us. However, I am very disappointed that this man chose to harm the child of one of his “targets.’”
Oh, she’s “disappointed.” And how kind of her to assuage our moral concerns by opting to “disagree” with his solution. One must exercise one’s right to redress grievances, after all.
One Mr. David Ramirez, designated a “Super User” by HuffPo, writes:
“I agree with practically everything this man wrote in his manifesto. Very impressive guy. He lost a great future by being overcome with anger. He should have just let it go. He could have done much better in life than being an LAPD Officer.”
Very impressive, indeed, Mr. Ramirez. I put it to Mr. Ramirez: Would you continue to think Mr. Dorner “impressive” if the latter decided to target you?
MisteRational:
“He is a product of his environmnet and training. This man was a police officer and a professional soldier. He was trained to use violence to resolve conflicts. LAPD is just reaping what it has sown.”
kokonutgrl reveals her credulity:
“I believe him…”
He stands for the truth to be told
He stands for Justice for the innocent victims who have been wronged.”
And she even makes it a free-verse poem. Note her excellent stanza structure.
John Hall 2, another “Super User”:
“It’s tragic to see what appears to be a good person believing he now must do evil for real or imagined injustices.”
I don’t know how many “good” people Mr. Hall knows, but in his view there is now one less in the world.
These comments all come from the same article to which I linked earlier. I have checked other articles on Dorner and have seen similar pro-murder sentiments. It is, of course, to be expected that this man would have supporters, much as a serial killer has his coterie of panty-flinging girls outside the prison on execution day.
I would bet my Mickey Mantle card that all of this support derives from the idiotic mental state induced in people whenever the subject of race comes anywhere near a topic. Dorner is black, and so is Good by definition. Thus all his seemingly bad actions must be explained, in the manner of the practice of theodicy, to our own moral failings rather than his.
Are we really surprised they believe this? These are the same people who wear Che shirts and have much practice whitewashing or ignoring the evils of leftist regimes, both modern and historical. They truly believe that anything done by a black (who hasn’t strayed off the liberal plantation) must be righteous or justified by some societal grievance. As I said in another thread, I hope he’s captured alive and goes to court, that all these moonbats rush to his defense as it gradually emerges just how twisted he really is. It would help to pull the mask off a bit, maybe enough to frighten some of the useful idiots who are not yet true believers. The media will have a hard time stuffing all that down the memory hole, but then again they have had a lot of practice.
Dorner will live forever on 4chan /pol/
just as Breivik has..
btw.. in case you think it’s a bad place.. /pol/’s ‘god’ is Thomas Sowell…
yeah, it’s a weird place
Not surprised in the slightest. But it’s still important to point it out.
Except Dormer isn’t exactly a liberal. He’s a fan of G. H.W. Bush, Colin Powell, and John Huntsmen. So basically he’s a moderate in terms of politics.
Beyond that, some people view that the United States is essentially a police state. Police kill and injure people all the time without facing any sanction. The women in the truck they shot up is a perfect example. Every day, paramilitary police raid homes of innocent people, terrorizing and often injuring or killing them.
I think many people are simply happy to see bullies get a bloody nose, even if it’s from another bully.
What I find puzzling though is that people who want more government, liberals are in favor of this guy, while people who supposedly want less government are so aghast (and so much in love with the police). Even though the police think you’re a terrorist, not the liberals.
Again with the “love” for the police, as if we burn candles to them in a closet. That’s a dumb way to frame an argument and try and make a point. It shows you don’t actually have a point to argue from.
And the police don’t get away with just anything. States, counties and cities have the crap sued out of them every week in America for the wrongful actions of police. You think those police who shot up that truck won’t be sued as individuals civilly and criminally for violating the victim’s civil rights plus the city and county? Trust me, lawyers are on that one right now.
Read that manifesto again. Dorner is no moderate. You’re cherry-picking statements that amount to disclaimers considering the other stuff; it’s a question of proportion.
“You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad.Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion. Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, f*** you. I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party. Mr. President, I haven’t agreed with all of your decisions but of course I haven’t agreed with all of your predecessors decisions. I think you’ve done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. I shed a tear the night you were initially elected President in 2008. I never thought that day would occur. A black man elected president in the U.S. in my lifetime. I cracked a smiled when you were re-elected in 2012 because I really didn’t think you were going to pull that one off. Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could’ve exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now. Mr. President, get back to work. Many want to see you fail as they have stated so many times previously.”
So in the middle of all that, which I did not edit, he throws in Bush and Huntsmen. Big deal – that makes that rambling hash of dung seem moderate? You see balance there? The guy has a racial persecution complex and a tendency towards self-pity. Besides that he’s insane and a murderer. Liberals want law to be situational according to their identity-based beliefs, giving de jure sanctuary to favor women, gays, and ethnic groups.
I say eff that; that’s not the way the law works.
Bush and Huntsman are one side of the same Rove coin
“And the police don’t get away with just anything. States, counties and cities have the crap sued out of them every week in America for the wrongful actions of police. You think those police who shot up that truck won’t be sued as individuals civilly and criminally for violating the victim’s civil rights plus the city and county? Trust me, lawyers are on that one right now.”
First, “states, counties and cities” having the crap sued out of them doesn’t mean the individual perpetrators aren’t getting away with it. They are. We still don’t have the names of the officers who sprayed 60+ bullets at two ladies who were delivering papers. If you had done that and said “I thought it was Dorner” would you be at home or in jail right now? We both know the answer.
Facing a civil lawsuit is different than being criminally charged. And, in the civil lawsuit, their buddies at the union will cover the legal bills if the city doesn’t. It’s unlikely that they’ll face criminal charges unless the outrage is enough. Look up “Kelly Thomas” to see how that works.
Remember that this is the same department that has promoted the criminals who beat Rodney King on video. It’s the same department that protected a murderer in their department – Stephanie Lazarus – for 25 years.
I’m really confused when I see conservatives conflating agreement with some of Dorner’s manifesto with support for Dorner’s actions. His manifesto needs to be studied and the corruption that it reveals needs to be rooted out. That’s a separate issue from catching and punishing Dorner. His actions are reprehensible. But, so are the actions of the LAPD. Dorner very carefully documents problems there, and the folks in that area would be wise to study them and hold their elected officials accountable.
I was really let down yesterday to read at Big Government about him. They simply repeated the LAPD line that Dorner was fired when he was caught lying about another officer kicking a suspect in custody. They then left out the part where the victim corroborated Dorner’s testimony.
Think for a minute. This is a department that promoted Rodney King’s assailants. Dorner claims that someone landed a couple of kicks on a suspect – is this really hard to believe?
You find the cold-blooded assassination of 3 completely innocent people reprehensible and cops who used a racial slur in a van and may or may not have kicked a suspect reprehensible.
Nobody’s conflating anything; we’re reading direct quotes. Many of them straight up support Dorner’s actions and claim the victims were no innocents, although they clearly were.
The only difference between the murders that Dorner committed and the attempted murder of two hispanic newspaper deliverers is that the two hispanic women didn’t die (yet) from their injuries. I’m sorry, I’m not naive enough to extend the benefit of a doubt here.
I’m no fan of cop shops and I suspect I know more about cop shops and disciplining and dismissing cops than you do because I’ve actually done it. This guy was a probationary employees which basically means that he could be fired for any reason, no reason, but not an illegal reason. There is a very limited universe of illegal reasons; in most jurisdictions political firings, discrimination based on membership in a statutorily or Constitutionally protected class are about it.
Dorner did not immediately report the alleged kicking of a suspect by his training officer. (A training officer is simply an experienced officer assigned (and paid extra) to work with, train, and evaluate a new officer. They are not true supervisors, usually are members of the same bargaining unit and union, and usually report to a non-supervisory lead-level sergeant, not to management or political authority.) When his training officer informed Dorner that she was going to give an unfavorable report of his performance that might result in his getting an unsatisfactory evaluation which implicitly might result in his dismissal, he suddenly felt compelled to report her to the Captain for excess force in handling a mentally ill subject. That circumstance creates a rebuttable presumption that Dorner had motive to make a false report. Understand: it really doesn’t take much to get rid of a probationary employee; you don’t fit in works even if it is another way of saying we don’t like you.
Dorner got the highest level of administrative appeal a so-called Board of Rights in which he was represented by a union attorney, the father of the young woman he killed. In short, Dorner could not convince the Board that his allegation against his training officer was credible. Now, I’ll give you that administrative reviews can sometimes be a “gong show” for employees, but the administrative review wasn’t the end of it. It went to a trial court and to an appellate review of the trial courts decision and he stayed fired. The appellate court’s decision is here: http://content.foxtvmedia.com/kttv/news/chris_dorner/dorner_%20v_LAPD_appeal_oct2011.pdf
“Except Dormer isn’t exactly a liberal. He’s a fan of G. H.W. Bush, Colin Powell, and John Huntsmen.”
Exactly… he’s a traitor.. just like all of them..
yes they are.. especially Huntsmen and Powell.. Bush is an enigma, but not a good American…
Dorner knows his ‘progressive’ useless idiot Americans
you got that right
Screw you Bush family fans.. rot in hell
Charming.
Except Dormer isn’t exactly a liberal. He’s a fan of G. H.W. Bush, Colin Powell, and John Huntsmen. So basically he’s a moderate in terms of politics.
So much for “extremism” being the source of all our problems.
TPM
“Are we really surprised they believe this?”
Nope but; it is why I won’t turn in my rifle…
“I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me!”
“Thou shalt not murder!”
They have turned away from God. They worship new gods, like Gaia (environmentalism) and Marxism. These new gods have a different moral code, and there is no Commandment against murder. They offer only things like, “Thou shalt recycle!” and “Thou shalt not use plastic bags!”
With such a weak morality base, you do not actually expect them to recoil from the thought of taking away all of someone else’s future days and joys, do you? Their only response is that the target deserved it… and that is based sdolely upon the murderer’s own words.
They turn away from God, and thus, turn away from His moral code and away from civilization.
It is madness to look for reason in madness.
Having said that, if you think he likes GW Bush, you have problems with reading comprehension. If you think Pres. GW Bush was anything other than a patriotic American doing the best he could, you are delusional.
Well garsh Mr. “war gas”, it looks like every one of the commenters you published condemned mass murder, despite your title saying they all supported mass murder.
Is this the calibre of content on rabid RW blogs?
What am I asking???of course it is.
conservative values
Wishy washy throat clearings before they get to their real agenda, which is apologizing for his actions. Their first instinct is to believe what he says and therefore to sympathize with his manifesto.
I think dano bivins does have a point. On the other hand, those of us who agreed with Breivik’s manifesto but disagreed with his solution caught a lot of hell from the media, while these people will be left in peace.
Since the manifesto was written justify his solution, agree with the manifesto, agree with the solution. Two of those murdered were for spite, for they were not involved with his travails.
They dislike his means, but are morally disarmed in the face of his ends… not at all unlike the way so many Germans were disarmed in the face of National Socialism’s rise in Germany.
And YOU’RE first instinct…is to believe he’s lying. I guess the LAPD disagrees with you. They’re reopening the investigation into his firing. But you’ll probably say the “LAPD “succumbed to the pressure” from the “drive-by, librul media”.
How nice of them to “condemn” mass murder.
– another black man and his fiance, an Asian; and yet more for good measure. Coward.
Someone else said this before me but it bears repeating. Dorner’s biggest complaint with the LAPD is that they wouldn’t let him be a member of the club.
No, his complaint is that they didn’t buy his false accusations.
The only proof we have that killed anyone so far is the word of the LAPD. Are you willing to trust the LAPD? If he did kill people, he’s a bad man, but $5 says the LAPD shoots and kills the guy before he has a chance to talk more. Even if Dorner is a murderer, that doesn’t mean the LAPD is a bunch of angels. Please don’t mistake this as me excusing murder, I just also don’t want to excuse the LAPD’s atrocious behavior which does not seem to have improved since King.
How do we know he committed the murders he’s accused of? BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO COMMIT THEM.
Stop excusing murder.
(And Rodney King? The doped-up idiot who wouldn’t stay on the ground despite repeated orders to do so? The guy who endangered the lives on hundreds in a high-speed chase? Look into the facts — beyond the video that was edited to make him look like the victim — and grow up.)
What atrocious behavior? Rumors, accusations by some mad assassin? If a cop gives you a bad traffic ticket you’re going to shoot a union rep who failed you in arbitration? What about cat’s that look at you funny?
If Nobel Prize winning poet Tony Morrison can write an October 1988 New Yorker article titled “Clinton as the first black president”, then what, exactly is “black”? If the Boston Globe movie critic, when writing about the 2012 movie “Django”, can liken the character to “Clarence Thomas or Alan Keyes or Herman Cain or Michael Steele, men whom some black people find embarrassing,” then what, exactly is “black”?
References to race, and especially to “black”, in all these diverse contexts, is clearly not about “race”. It is about ideology, or more exactly, about socialist ideology.
It is a perfect fit. He is black, he thinks he is a victim, and he is a cop killer. Kinda like Mumia Abu-Jamal. Lefties will rally round these types.
DidN’t Victor Davis Hanson mention that there was a California public school that named itself after a murderer? Why should we be surprised?
Dorner satisfies the murder fantasies of many leftist/Democrats, who mostly just want others to shut up.
Other, more insightful, commentators identify this as typical “SWPL” – stuff white people like……
The SWPL will bend over backwards to show how hip and cool – transgressive even – they are by embracing the “other” – defined as anything, or anyone, which is the polar opposite from mommy and daddy – you know, the white middle or upper-middle class boring types who paid for college. SWPL-types are basically human veal.
Not sure what you’re trying to say, Cornholio. Can you elaborate?
“I put it to Mr. Ramirez: Would you continue to think Mr. Dorner “impressive” if the latter decided to target you?”
But he would not target the average civilian… he has stated in his manifesto that he will only be waging war against police and their family, against those who have directly wronged him and are hunting him.
Way to create a strawman argument there Robert Wargas.
oh…I see the method of discussion here among obvious bigots who cheer the police on as they beat that helpless Rodney “coon” like a crippled dawg…is to just take the known facts and flip them around 180 degrees.
Youse guyz are living in your own sick little private Idaho…but i already knew that.LOL.
As for a club, Dorner was already a member of the club, paint-chip eaterz, he saw cops taking payoffs and assaulting helpless citizens, usually because they were black, Mezkin or crazy, and he became disgusted and angry, the reaction of any decent, well-adjusted citizen. But m,any of the commenters here are definitely not well-adjusted, decent, or qualified American citizens, they’re fringe weirdoos, living in the halogen glare of their isolated little corner of the mildew-smelling room as they ty[e furiously…making bat guano up so they can feel like they’re ‘part of something”, even if it’s a clique of contemptible racist hate. Hey, i guess ANY attention is better than none, huh?
UH…………………………..HUH.
You cowards should feel embarrassed. But it’s impossible to embarrass a true loser.