After reading a comment from Fail Burton that a disturbing number of Huffington Post readers have been supportive of Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer who has allegedly murdered several people thus far, I decided to check it out for myself. Mr. Burton is correct. I would say the comments, as of my checking one particular article on Dorner’s “manifesto,” were 90 percent supportive. Feast your eyes on the following wisdom from the Left.
(Note: Before reading these comments, bear in mind that Dorner is black, and the “manifesto” that inspired these comments contains general support for many left-wing ideas. Dorner’s race explains the knee-jerk identification of him as an oppressed “fighter” a la Mumia Abu Jamal. His ideology — supporting gun control, Barack Obama, and Piers Morgan, and despising the NRA — explains the memory-hole treatment the media is giving the “hate” aspect of the story. Ironically, then, Dorner’s identification with left-wing ideas is the impetus for simultaneous support for and denial of who he really is.)
From “Andrew Coe”:
“After reading this I am going to come out and say it, I support this guy. I do not like that he is killing civilians though. I wish he would have been smarter and picked off the cops that did him wrong instead of starting things the way he did but that is his issue. I have no doubt in my mind that everything he were about being wronged by the LAPD is true and I feel sorry he was victimized by an organization he clearly loved so much. After reading about how the police have shot three innocent civilians, a grandmother none the less, while searching for him makes me lose almost all respect for the LAPD. I think this is an example of reaping what they sow.”
Elsewhere, “Andrew Coe” states:
“I believe and support him too. I hope he gets the justice he deserves and by that I mean vengeance.”
Mr. Coe openly supports more murder.
In response, “sdgrrl” writes:
“I wish he has simply held people hostage. The impact would be greater. Now, the media and LAPD can target him as nuts due to the murders.”
You see, “sdgrrl” just wants your family held hostage, not killed, by this lunatic.
Here’s “norielmom”:
“I really hate he has to kill, but I also believe his story. what people don’t understand is that a person’s name is all they have and when that’s taken, only the Lord can restore it. I pray that he is found safely and that is not killed, but to live and continue to fight for the citizens.”
“norielmom” burps out an obligatory disclaimer about how she hates that this has to happen, BUT…. The entire worldview of the radical is contained in that “but.”
“joep001,” described as a HUffPo “Super User,” writes:
“Awesome! This is great! The militarized domestic police finally getting a taste of their own medicine, when one of their own insane # turn on them. Nothing like seeing the Fascists fight each other!!!”
Here’s “Brad J. Taylor”:
“He doesn’t sound like a madman at all. Just someone who was terribly wronged by the system.”
I couldn’t tell if the following was a parody or not. In any case, the general nutty illiteracy wouldn’t be completely out of place. It was written by “7Life”:
“FREEEEEDOM ! DORNER ! GO GET ‘EM ! FREEEEEDOM ! DORNER ! GO GET ‘EM !
TEAM CHRIS DORNER ! TEAM CHRIS DORNER ! TEAM CHRIS DORNER !
WARRIOR CHRISTOPHER DORNER ! DO IT WELL ! MAKE THEM NEVER FORGET IT !”
“Roger LeMonde,” another “Super User”:
“His whole thing is giving LAPD what they earned.”
“godlessliberal0″:
“Wow, I just read the whole thing. Hannity, Limbaugh and their ilk are sure going to enjoy their field day. I couldn’t help but want to have a beer with him. Dang it.”
For more on this sick trend, see what’s been written about him on Twitter.
These people support an unhinged murderer. Yet they want to take away my guns.
I can only hope this is the moment the Left is recognized for having jumped the shark.
One of the people he is accused of killing is the daughter of a guy he was mad at just to hurt the guy he was mad at.
He is one who has wholly embraced evil.
And the left adores him.
Deranged leftist murderer aside, the fact that LAPD has declared open season on pickup truck drivers is pretty damn terrifying. Just to fill you folks in (since the media are doing a terrible job of it)…
LAPD had staked out a residence, fearing that the killer would target it. The APB on the suspect described a large black man in a silver Nissan Titan (a full-size pickup) and they also had the license plate number. Police staking out the residence spotted a blue Toyota Tundra (a light pickup) driving around the neighborhood slowly with its headlights on. Mind you, this was around 5am. The truck was being driven by two Asian women who were delivering papers. As soon as the truck rolled past the residence, police opened fire without warning, emptying 51 rounds into the pickup truck, striking both women (one was hit once, the other twice). Both the shooting itself and the accuracy demonstrated by police (48 misses out of 51) are frightening.
Then, more police, responding to the news that shots were fired in the area, rammed another pickup truck a short distance away and unloaded rounds indiscriminately into that truck as well. That pickup wasn’t a silver Nissan Titan, either. The driver of that pickup was injured by the collision, and his truck was totaled.
The DA is refusing to file charges against ANY of the officers. It is an outright injustice that these officers aren’t being charged with attempted murder. If I’ve received death threats against me and my family, and out of fear of being attacked, I shoot the next person who happens to be walking their dog past my house, I GET CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER.
I find that absolutely terrifying. If I’m minding my own business, and the police start randomly shooting at me even though I don’t match any descriptions and haven’t done anything illegal and haven’t been pulled over, what am I supposed to do? I’d be justified in shooting back if it were some random person shooting at me. But if I shoot back at police that have indiscriminately embarked on an attempt to murder me whilst I was minding my own business, I’d get labeled a cop-killer and they’d kill me anyway and just suppress/destroy the dashcam footage (if they even bothered to flip their lights on to engage the dashcam in the first place). In the case of both of these indiscriminate shootings, I doubt any dashcam footage exists, because police were too busy jumping out and drawing their sidearms to be bothered with things like turning on their lights and announcing their presence – you know, all the things that are required of them to make traffic stops and detain citizens.
Bingo. Left-winger or not, whatever you think of his actions, this cop killer has a point.
The irony is that left-wingers are pushing him as a hero, when their own policies laid the groundwork for this tragedy, as well as laying the groundwork for the cops’ shootings of innocent victims. The second ironic thing about it is that conservatives helped to militarize our civilian LEO’s, who have, ever sionce, thought of Americans as personal and imminent threats. iow, we trained them to wage war against us.
Most of the cops of this day and age don’t give a rip about ‘protect and serve’ or their Oath. (They often talk a good fight, but their actions speak louder than their words.) In fact, the original Oath to protect and defend The Constituton has been replaced in many locations with a more self-serving official Oath, which can, in fact, be called a ‘cop’s manifesto.’
Now, I have a few questions of my own: Are we living in a police state or not? Are you ‘unknowingly’ committing several felonies per day because there are so many laws on the books? Are cops also members of public employee unions – the same left-wing progressive unions who hate conservatives and conservative causes? How many of you have been talking about, or thinking about, armed rebellion against the US government? …so…whay are you now defending cops, who went out and started shooting innocent Americans? The perp had a point.
The perp in question actually went out and pulled the trigger, starting a personal war against a government agency…because the gov declared war against him, nuts or not.
This guy is not the run of the mill insane nutcase. He had a plan, stuck to the plan, and apparently still has a plan or he’d have been in custody by now. He targeted government employees -and their families- who were guilty of personally harming him.
Expect to see more individuals become ‘unhinged’ as time passes. People are reaching a point where they’ve finally wakened to the fact that the world isn’t what they’ve always been told or taught. Some people aren’t…prepared… for that awakening.
So a cops daughter and son-in-law are valid targets for revenge on something that may or may not have happened. Riiight.
He didn’t say anything like that.
Yes, he did.
He went and worked for that agency of his own accord, knowing full well what reputation it has had for many decades.
I can’t get too sympathetic.
The perp’s mother is a real piece of work, too. Truly amazing.
The left did the unthinkable it sided with a killer because he used the right words and he’s black a traditional victim handing down the truth to the unwashed.On the other hand the LAPD acted unprofessionally and rather panicky which I blame the brass .An awful thought this whole society is going down the toilet there is no one,nothing to believe in we’re committed to social suicide.
Check out the racial compostion of this deeply, hideously racist LAPD:
http://www.lapdonline.org/sworn_and_civilian_report/pdf_view/42632
A cursory analysis seems to show that blacks are significantly over-representated in all strata of the LAPD. Further, Hispanics often outnumber whites on the force in several categories.
It is so bizarre that in this age where there are black multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires, where black superstars in sports and entertainment derive the majority of their wealth from an infinite supply of racist whiteys, that the race mongers would have us believe that this nation is just as culpable today as when actual slaves were owned by a VERY tiny minority of whites. Have we made any progress? Apparently not, based on the levels of vitriol and openly expressed white-hatred from all strata of the black communities, all the way up to their godhead Obama.
I have no doubt that the president’s constant and inflamatory rhetoric has made things worse, and moved the bar signifivcamtly on what is acceptable for the black community to do as it lashes out. The film Django, which could not have been made had Obama not moved this bar, undoubtedly encouraged this racist bastard on his murderous rampage. Obama’s constant hectoring and accusations of racism have also coddled a tremendous insanity among blacks. They believe they have now been given permission to wreak their vengenace on “white America”. The thousands of incidents of “flash mobs” (overwhelmingly black and overwhelmingly violent) have become epidemic under Obama. Of course, these developments have been vigorously obscured by the MSM. Their poisonous narrative of white racism and black victimology has proved irresistable to their Leftist agenda, and so the narrative is preserved and perpetuated. This is a heinous cultural crime against both black and against white Americans … Whites become increasingly menaced, robbed of any credit for the massive progress that has been made against racism, and blacks have been manipulated into a stance of eternal hatred and vicious racism against whites, or anyone who strays off the Leftist plantation.
FTFY to further emphasize their own unhingedness. If we’re not to have our own means of self-defense, who are we supposed to call? A hippie?
Evidently we’re supposed to lecture them to death.
The scissors dont forget Homeland Securities advice when confronted in the open by a gunman look for some scissors.
Why is this surprising? Liberals love violence and murder. They love Che, Stalin, Mao and many other mass murderers. Abortion is one of their dearest loves of all. Why shouldn’t they love a crazy cop who mouths the same platitudes the liberals hold dear? I’m also sure the crocodile tears they are shedding over his victims would turn to tears of joy if they turn out to have been Conservatives.
You forgot they love Islam. The religion of Death. Liberalism is truly about one thing – DEATH.
are you sure 4chan isn’t doing a raid?
At least one of the people quoted above was a “super user”, presumably entailing a long presence and history of posting. An established account. Raids usually involve mass numbers of accounts newly created for that purpose. Besides, if these posters were foreign to the website you would expect the site’s regular posters to call them out on it. PJ media occasionally gets a troll posting under a name nobody’s seen before saying stuff along these lines, and there’s usually a long list of comments beneath his calling him out for it. From this article this seems par for the course for that particular site.
The comments section at the Huffington Post is like visiting a lunatic toxic dump.
If you have to go there:
a) wear protective clothing
b) do what you need and get out as quickly as possible
c) decontaminate afterwords. I recommend reading a Richard Ferdandez essay accompanied by a stiff belt of Kentucky whiskey.
I rarely go to HuffPo but sometimes read The Daily Kos after something has occurred that might encourage “interesting” commentary. It has to be seen to be believed. But it is well to know the adversaries and how they think.
About a week ago Power Line had a reprint of a pamphlet written on Progressive tactics by David Horowitz. It too makes sobering reading if you have not seen it.
Yup, thats why i come here to browze what YOU nutcases have to say.
You can call anybody a nut here you wish, but any board that is actively rooting for a rogue cop killing people, including citizens, is sick. And you’re obviously one of the very sickest.
You’re same POS types that were rooting for soldiers to killed in Iraq so you could score political points. The bottom of the humanity.
People like you are so reprobate and deviant, so sick in the head and soul, that you’re actively rooting for rogue cop who has killed at least two people that had absolutely nothing to do with his firing.
The same POS types that were rooting for American soldiers to get killed in Iraq to score political points.
You bastards are no different than the jihadists. And you should be treated as such.
Considering the semantic and reality-challenged nature of politically correct liberals who despise Winston Smith, I take that name as an affirmation that I am in the right. Water is dry, babies come from gay people, illegals are not illegals, gun control advocates and anti-violence pro-gays kill and plot to kill and rub sandwiches in dead faces. Therefore, by your own logic, I am the opposite of your insult.
I refer you to the Bizzaro characters in Silver Age Superman comics, the original template for the modern liberal.
Hahahahahah.
Yup, like I wrote, I come here to browze among you nutcases just to keep abreast at how you frame your arguments. You loonies never fail to amuse. I did not write one word supporting that psychopath who’s currently on a rampage, but keep believing that I and others on the “Left” do. I honestly think it makes you feel better. Your world stays simple that way. This website is a zoo. But I keep coming back cuz 1)you people are hilarious and always worth a chuckle 2)even a broken clock is right twice 3)Wretchard hasn’t quite lost his touch.
You’re not coming here to observe, Unwordly. You’re coming here lending your tacit support to the vile and you’re one of them. You’re as putrid as the HuffPO left rooting for death.
You’re a scumbag and nothing more and you’re neither clever or fooling anybody.
Worldview, since you took up a contrary position against this thread, you did in fact tacitly endorse those who endorse Dorner.
And I frame my arguments using principle, something I know liberals hate. If they did frame their arguments in such a way, like a baseball umpire, they’d be forced to admit that the intellectual and philosophical space that separates President Obama from a modern neo-Nazi is really one of skin color. Also, in America, neo-Nazis are marginalized, Obama is mainstream. Read Obama’s 2007 anti-white hate speech at Hampton U in 2007. I mean a transcript from the actual video, not the one released beforehand and which is the one in circulation. Change a few words around and it’s Nuremberg all over again.
I don’t despise Nazis because they are German or white, but because of what they did. Anyone who shares their beliefs gets the same treatment.
Anyone.
“Be prepared to appreciate what you meet.” – Frank Herbert.
Come on, people, stop feeding the troll. Can’t you see that Worldmusic is yanking your chains on purpose just to get attention?
Hey world class a**hole it isn’t us advocating for a murdering, you wretched amoral swine.
a murderer
They are really not much different from the wackos at Westboro Baptist, are they?
Lunatics all.
Westboro is run by well-connected Democrats. Their leader was a convention delegate for Al Gore.
Their schtick does two things: 1) incites people to act against them, for which the cult sues and collects damages; 2) provides an “example” of the sort of stereotypical vile attitude the left claims exists in every gathering of more than three Christians.
If they were not well-connected Democrats, their stunts would be shut down QUICKLY. Since they are, it’s “protected speech”.
Leftists love violence, as long as they are certain it isn’t going to affect them personally. Vicarious violence is best, since they can relish it without paying any real world consequences.
If they thought for one hot minute that ol’ Chris might be coming after them, however, they’d all be screaming about how SOMETHING MUST BE DONE, NOW!!!
…and despising the NRA
Where? All I saw was derision for lapierre due to his claim after sandy hook that the problem in US society is movies and media. Lapierre is/was wrong; even Dorner knows this much.
LaPierre is an extension and figurehead of the NRA, just as Obama is an extension and figurehead of the left wing of the Democratic Party.
So constant exposure to violence from movies and media has zero affect on the mindset, hey – even with video games called Kindergartner Killer? Kind of like constant exposure to porn has no affect on the mindset either.
Then I don’t want to hear from you phony bleeding heart critics who have ruined public schools that poverty, drugs and violence has an affect on children related to poor school performance.
You can’t be a parent – at least, I hope to God you’re not a parent. But if you were, you would realize many children are indeed a product of their environment.
Give you one thing, Random. There’s not a person on this board who can claim to be as consistently wrong and obtuse as you are.
So, rand, you are saying that law-abiding gun carriers are the source of school shooters, or do you say that too is absurd.
My guess is that there’s a stronger correlation between this type of violence and over-prescribing of behaviour modifying drugs based on DSM pathologies; kids that require home discipline and not receiving it are often drugged. Then there are tons of drugs given to kids for other things; read the side effects. Doesn’t take much. A mere 0.02% of them having some variety of mental cratering is more than enough to account for the numbers. Look at the links of teen suicide with certain drugs.
The notion that it’s all games and movies is specious although it appeals to the far right set that posts here. Commentary relating negavtive behaviours to a lack of G rated disney films and general moralising rants about the downfall of the culture appeals to a certain belief system, typically the evangelical types. Curiously the far right fails to see this association. Lapierre either is of the same willfully limited mental capacity of evangelicals and actually believes his nonsense or he’s cynical. There have been numerous studies trying to link violence to media for years, and none of them have ever shown a link. It doesn’t exist. Lapierre is either absurdly ignorant or he’s playing to the ignorance of what he perceives as “his crowd.”
Last. Despite the claims that the left marches in lockstep and they’re all sheep and by god we here on the right and posting at PJ are all independent thinkers, note that if I post something counter to a prevaling belief — and since there’s no data that movies are responsible, it’s belief and that’s all it is — said posts are met with “gales of stupid laughter” (idiocracy reference alert), personal attacks (e.g. “You can’t be a parent – at least, I hope to God you’re not a parent.” from above) and general derision, such as yours.
This of course is the very picture of anything BUT acceptance of independent thinking, playing smear the queer with any poster deviating from the accepted paradigm. Clearly political correctness is also endemic to the right. It’s not limited to the left.
So. What’s the flavour of this weeks’ koolaid?
You’re no independent thinker.
You’re the most predictable garden variety Christian bigot on the board. It’s always the ‘Evangelicals’ with you – 95% of the comments. I’ll bet a hundred bucks you don’t even know what the word means.
And you’re damn right. You’re an obvious vile human being and just as obviously not fit to be a parent. Therefore I pray to God you’re not a parent.
I’ll admit I cringe sometimes when Wayne La Pierre steps to the microphone, but not because he is fundamentally wrong, only because he is a bit impolitic. But he made the only suggestion for immediate preventative action in the wake of Sandy Hook that makes any sense, post armed guards in the schoolhouses, or even allow the teachers to arm themselves if they wish to do so.
After the hooting and jeering from the usual suspects died down a bit, by golly, some of the schools thought that sounded like the thing to do, at least as far as the guards were concerned, and some have done it. As for us here in Redneck City, shown on the maps as Houston, Texas, U.S.A., we have had school police, armed commissioned officers yet, since forever. We do have incidents in the schools, which are heavily minority (Houston itself is about 30-30-40 whites, blacks, Hispanics, in round numbers). But we have never had anything like Sandy Hook or Columbine.
If it’s specious then why does the Left claim native-American sports logos promote and sustain stereotypes, even to the point of strong arming the U. of N. Dakota and humiliating them and practicing extortion?
Why does the Left claim stereotypes of gays and blacks on TV are harmful? Notice they don’t claim Al Bundy or Dagwood or Laurel and Hardy are a problem. Particulars, not principle.
Why can’t a kid mimic throwing a hand grenade at school? Why is gender neutral considered so important if influence on a cultural level is non-existent. Is black youth culture and the attendant conformity a dream I had?
Once again a liberal argument falls before principle and a simple comparison. Staunch liberals are children, incapable of reason.
fail burton
If it’s specious then why does the Left claim [snip]
It’s specious because there have been a ton of studies by self interested parties trying for decades to link tv and movie violence (and recently video game violence) to real life gun violence and finding none. I said this earlier. Apparently this needs repeating. Studies show no connection. Really, is this that difficult to grasp? NO CONNECTION.
Apparently you and lapierre went to the same school where you learned “proof by repeated assertion.”
OK, so repeat this all day. Every day. And guess what? NO CONNECTION.
As for what “the left” claims, most of this isn’t “the left” whatsoever, just basic studies that DO show connections. (Oh yeah I forgot, it’s academics, all raging marxists, of course.. you far right types are fairly comical.)
Do you have any concept of reality?
I noticed you didn’t answer my question. As I’ve said, simple comparisons are impossible when one abandons principle and operates in an ad hoc vacuum. Goose/Gander is a Gordian Knot to progressive liberal thought, because progressive liberal thought consists basically of lying.
I could give literally a thousand examples of a double standard, things white, straight, me or conservatives are not allowed to do in America without censure that the Rainbow Coalition and the Dem Party is.
Dorner is one staring you in the face and you’re too dumb to compare it to the Giffords-Palin Crosshair fiasco.
Fail — I noticed you didn’t answer my question
Of course I did. I answered the first one, addressing the lapierre claim, which is false. I think your logic chain is unhinged. As best I can determine you seem to think that if lapierre’s claim is wrong this is arguing for gun control. No. lapierre’s claim is wrong, and dorner noted it. Read the original post at #8. I am saying dorner seems to have his marbles intact; he was observant enough to see that lapierre was wrong.
There seems to be something in the water system at PJM. You and others read a post that disagrees with lapierre as a way to illustrate that dorner is paying attention and not crazy, and the only response is to go batshit crazy at the notion that lapierre is wrong. Disagreement with the holy belief that the media is the cause of gun violence can only come from a despicable leftist, right?
Now, how about you show me where I have advocated gun control or have espoused a “leftist” view.
You’re not telling the truth even though your own quotes are on this very page. You said “games and movies is specious.”
I said nothing about Lapierre. You didn’t answer, because you can’t. The hypocrisy is too great to address with a logic chain.
Either people are influenced by cultural tropes or they aren’t. You can’t pick and choose which you like and pretend it works then, and reject what you don’t like and say it doesn’t. If native-American sports logos and racial stereotype begats more of the same, then so do movies, regardless of specific subject matter.
You can’t pick and choose which you like and pretend it works then, and reject what you don’t like and say it doesn’t.
You’re failing to distinguish between fact and opinion.
I have said only — for the what seems like the 86th time now — that there have been numerous studies trying and failing to establish a causal link between media and gun violence. This is not my opinion. It’s fact. It’s also not partisan. I don’t imagine facts are owned by political parties.
My *opinion* re gun violence issues is that things like mass shootings probably correlate better to prescription drugs than other factors.
I have never made a claim about indians or gays and so on and have no interest in doing so. I don’t claim to know anything about what “the left” says about these things. I would like to suggest that you ask someone of “the left,” one who makes claims about gays and blacks and indians, and we can all hear what their claims really are. All from the horse’s mouth, no parsing on what you imagine their claims to be.
How Oh wise one is a “study” able to prove whether or not violent movies and video games cause violence? They aren’t able to that’s how. It’s like all the “studies” that prove there’s no link between pornography and sex crimes. Meanwhile babies get raped and Adam Lanza and Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris sit in front of computer games blasting away until one day they take it to the streets.
Random, I am not imagining what their claims are. What the NCAA did to the U of N. Dakota because of their logo is a fact, and the thinking behind it echoes throughout the liberal politically correct world.
Are you telling me you are unaware of the incredible number of schools in the last couple of decades that have dropped mascots, names and logos under pressure from outsiders? Are you unaware the NAACP made a formal resolution in 1999 calling for an end to such things? The NAACP says “The use of stereotypical images may create a hostile environment.” Is that my imagination?
Are you unaware of GLAAD and the reasoning behind why they insisted on an apology from Kobe Bryant for a gay slur while 2 weeks later completely ignoring the same reasoning while gays at the annual “Hunky Jesus” contest did the exact same things to Christians?
The reason the liberal Left does so is clear: they believe stereotypes, cultural tropes, influence people. I could give a thousand more documented examples.
Here is your own quote: “The notion that it’s all games and movies is specious although it appeals to the far right set.”
In fact this is not something you find in conservative circles more compared to liberal circles. Certainly conservatives believe in cause and effect, but the live and let live aspect of it is most conspicuously and hypocritically abused on the political Left. It is not conservatives who approve of arresting kids for mimicking throwing hand grenades and scribbling on desks. It is not Conservatives who whine about the Florida State football team or whine about No Doubt’s latest video where they dress like native-Americans until the video is pulled.
I do not imagine these claims, but document them as facts for you to ignore.
trangbang
The gun argument made is that there are N million guns, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gun owners aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the guns wotdunnit. OK, putting the shoe on the other foot, there are N million gamers and media consumers, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gamers and movie viewers aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the media wotdunnit either.
Anything studying this stuff ought to show a causal link. We have computers these days that allow data to be tortured, and there really aren’t any links. Think about this for a moment; we have computing power that lets us model climate to a point where we reckon there’s going to be a warming of about a degree C over the next 50 years, i.e. phenomenal math capabilities that are able to tease usable information out of noise. This same computing power can’t tease a link out of movies and killings; it seems safe to trust that this is the case.
FAIL
Are you telling me you are unaware of the incredible number of schools in the last couple of decades that have dropped mascots, names and logos under pressure from outsiders?
I’ve heard of such things but the disconnect here is the bit about “the left.” There are groups such as the union of concerned scientists who twist and torture data to political ends, e.g. nuclear winter and other scarefest crap. UCS is leftist in political orientation. The problem is that UCS isn’t “the left” any more than gay hating rev Phelps is “the right.” Certain democrats take UCS seriously as do pure centrists. So do some of the right wing. But UCS isn’t truly representative of “the left” any more than other politically oriented pressure groups, such as the nanny twits who harrass school districts, GLAAD, etc.
In writing here I do try to differentiate between what appears to be centrist or moderate vs the more extreme fringe, hence you will see my references to “far right” meaning that I refer to a group that is under 20% of the aggregate.
We know from data that social conservatives comprise about 20% or less of the GOP, so when I write about this group, I am not writing about the majority of those moderates and centrists who pull a lever for the GOP.
So, more specifically, certainly there exist left fringe groups representing under 20% of the democrat votes who are troublemaking nannies; they are the antipode to the social conservative fringe of the right.
When you are big brush painting all democrats as “the left” and part of the 20% fringe, this is no different than media democrats painting the entire GOP as trailer dwelling NASCAR fans protesting evolution.
If we could agree on precision in speech here I think this would go a long way towards more productive poo slinging.
Random, precision of speech, and thought, works like this: Phelps is not an institution. GLAAD is, the NAACP is, the NCAA is. I am not attacking the Left in broad strokes but attacking their mainstream institutions and individuals who have the sanction of those mainstream institutions, and Hollywood and TV and a host of mainstream groups.
Stormfront and Phelps do not have hour-long shows on MSNBC, anti-white “activists” like Melissa Harris-Perry and Al Sharpton do. No one from an anti-black racist cult that gives awards to white hate groups is in the Presidency, Obama is. There is no counter force to the power that is the NCAA, which extorted millions of dollars out of Penn St. as well as exerting illegal jurisdiction over the entire school for the crime of one man, or at worst, a football program.
I make a distinction between a racist who lives down the street and one who has the sanction and votes of half the United States of America. If I expand out the views of the guy down the street, it’s anecdotal and false. If I count Obama’s votes, it’s a fact, and has the force of law.
“The problem is that UCS isn’t “the left” any more than gay hating rev Phelps is “the right.”
Phelps is a Democrat, a big supporter of Al Gore(who had campaign offices on Phelps property). Phelps is not ‘the right’ in any way, shape, or form.
UCS isn’t the totality of ‘the left’, but they are definitly leftist in nature–’part’ of ‘the left’. Does that work?
‘Parts’ of the left say that porn influences men to commit violence against women. ‘Parts’ of the left say that sports team names that refer to the Asiatic nomadic tribes that existed here before the colonization of the New World are demeaning. ‘Parts’ of the left say that showing people smoking in movies or on TV influences people to smoke.
‘Parts’ of the left clearly accept the notion that media can influence people. Hell, when it suits them, ‘parts’ of the left say that violence in movies and video games influence actual violence.
And when it comes to both left AND right in these situations, both sides all too quickly dismiss the fact that in most cases the overwhelming majority DO NOT engage in the behavior in question, thus negating the simple connection. They rarely think to combine multiple factors such as violent video games and movies AND incipent mental disorder.
randumbengineer: “I think your logic chain is unhinged.”
Well, you ARE the expert on unhinged…
song dog
I’ll admit I cringe sometimes when Wayne La Pierre steps to the microphone, but not because he is fundamentally wrong, only because he is a bit impolitic
Multiple studies over decades show no connection between media and real life violence, so for this dork to get on a stage after a national tragedy and LIE about it seems a bit more than a bit impolitic. All he’s doing is repeating an assertion* only certain segments of society believe to be true.
I have no idea what the answer is, but if I were in charge I’d be diverting some funds to CDC first and get some numbers to see if there’s a pharma correlation. There’s a correlation somewhere, and maybe it’s time we start looking at lots of stuff and see what it is. What we know that it ISN’T is media.
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*any mumber of democrats will assert something to the effect that corporations are fundamentally evil, so any argument that posits evil corporations is usally politically fouled from the getgo. It’s easy for the far right to see this argument for what it is. It is NOT easy for the far right to see the same phenomenon when their guy is making the same style argument. Lapierre is making an argument that appeals to the belief system of those on the far right, the extremists. He is not truthful. He is lying. And he is also appealing to what you already are prone to think.
Why would he do this? 1) he’s just as ignorant as the far right and has no idea that he’s scientifically wrong, or 2) he’s a cynic playing the far right like fiddles, rallying them by telling them what they want to hear.
Judging by the general tone of PJM, I’m supposing more of the latter. At least for the sake of the NRA that damn well better be the case. They sure don’t need idiots leading them. Cynics, sure. Idiots, not so much.
Wikipedia has a nice list of spree killings in countries around the world, going back a hundred years are so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
Spree killings aren’t limited to developed countries with modern psychotherapeutic drugs. This seems to be a worldwide pathology that has existed for a long time: A very tiny percentage of neurotics with a grievance will finally snap due to some provoking event.
Look at the list and see if you can find any common threads. There were even spree killings with swords and knives.
From my reading of the list, there seems to be only ONE commonality with almost no exceptions: These spree killers, in every country on earth, were and still are MALE.
I can’t find any female spree killers.
If that’s so, then the drug that causes the most spree killings is testosterone.
Sinz
I agree it’s not necessarily pharma. On the other hand there are any number of drugs you see advertised that have known side effects like “suicidal thoughts” etc and clearly these alter brain chemistry.
Meanwhile there’s toxoplasma, a bug in cat crap that alters rat behaviour such that the rat *likes* the smell of cat pee. There’s a complex cycle; you can read about it. It alters rat brain chemistry. More to the point, this bug is also known to alter *human* brain chemistry. Cat herders really are somewhat nuts.
So here we have known and documented things altering brain chemistry and more are being discovered.
Some time ago it was a given that stomach ulcers and cancer was the result of high stress, coffee, environmental factors, what have you. Not too long back it was discovered that h. pylori caused ulcers *and* cancers; stomach cancers could be obliterated with — of all things — antibiotics. Similar story for cervical cancer. It’s a bug.
Meanwhile the notion that heart disease etc is the result of too many trips to burger king is slowly being rejected. There are too many correlations via autopsy to a certain group of mouth bacteria. It’s a bug.
Circle back to mass shootings anmd killings. I’m thinking there is likely a link between these and something altering brain chemistry. My suggested starting point at CDC is to look at pharma first, then follow the trail.
The far right’s notion that it’s media wotdunnit is too pat, too simple, and strikes me as merely yet another attempt to find something that can be grabbed on to so as to impose their version of morals. The odd thing is that this argument is antipodal to their gun argument.
The gun argument made is that there are N million guns, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gun owners aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the guns wotdunnit. OK, putting the shoe on the other foot, there are N million gamers and media consumers, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gamers and movie viewers aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the media wotdunnit either.
Okay genius, I’ll play. 1.Tell us how many gun-related deaths are due to gang/drug violence vs. overall gun-related deaths.
2. How many gun related deaths are due to semi-automatic rifles vs overall gun-related deaths.
3. How many gun related deaths and especially the most recent “mass” killings are related to the accused using psychotic drugs or had known mental health abberations versus a law-abiding and legally registered and non-criminal person on a killing spree.
4. How many studies clearly exonerate violent games/movies from any cause of “mass” killings and who did the studies and who provided the funding.
5. How many school districts already use armed guards (Resource Officers) in their schools.
6. How many gun related deaths are due to a criminal using an illegally obtained gun.
7. How many innocent Americans have been saved from being a victim of a crime by a gun.
8. Subjective: How is making it harder for me to buy and own a semi-automatic rifle or semi-automatic handgun with a 15 round mag going to reduce gun crime or the chances of another lunatic going on a murder spree at an unguarded school.
Until you can answer these questions please feel free to STFU.
PS Please do not rely on Wiki. Use FBI data bases only
Blotto — 8. Subjective: How is making it harder for me to buy and own a semi-automatic rifle or semi-automatic handgun with a 15 round mag going to reduce gun crime or the chances of another lunatic going on a murder spree at an unguarded school.
And where, precisely, did you imagine I’ve advocated gun control?
BLACK Youths between the ages of 15 and 25 (think Trayvon Martin) who while comprising LESS that 2% of the population of the USA nevertheless commit OVER 50% of the murders and OVER 60% of all the violent crimes in the USA. So control Black Youths and the antisocial, degenerate, violent , misogynous Black Culture which spawns them and the USA can cut murders and violent in HALF at a stroke.
And your comments are Random?
Yes black on white crime is prevalent.
I read somewhere that something like 80% or more of inner city detroit was functionally illiterate to the level that most couldn’t figure out how to use a checkbook. I don’t know how true that is. Assuming it’s close, combine low IQ with drugs and disregard for education and you wind up with a real mess.
You may like this; fred reed was a one-time crime beat reporter and some of his politically incorrect articles spell things out as he sees it.
http://www.fredoneverything.net
Random – I tend to agree with a lot of what you write, but I have to disagree regarding drug therapy. It’s been of immense help to me and millions of other people. They save lives. While there are side effects (as to all drugs), these are usually manageable. My fear is that overemphasizing these side effects will lead to people failing to get the help they need and/or going off medication with serious consequences. There are many more people undermedicated for their disorders than overmedicated. While serious side effects should be looked for and monitored by psychotherapists, making too much of them can be disastrous.
benjamin
please have a look at the reply to sinz54 just above you in the thread. Pharma is not necessarily the only thing, just the easiest place to start.
“The notion that it’s all games and movies is specious although it appeals to the far right set that posts here.”
You are an Obamaite, rand. An Obamaite is someone who uses a strawman to try and convince others that he has a logical argument. I can’t find anyone here who claims that “it’s ALL games and movies”.
You’re nitpicking. The claim from lapierre stresses the mythical ‘please dear god let it be true’ link of media and gun violence.
Here’s a repeat of what I said elsewhere –
“The gun argument made is that there are N million guns, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gun owners aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the guns wotdunnit. OK, putting the shoe on the other foot, there are N million gamers and media consumers, and only once in a while is there a mass killer. Since 99.9% of gamers and movie viewers aren’t committing horrific crimes, then it’s not the media wotdunnit either.”
The ‘numbers prove it ain’t the legal law abiding gun owners at fault’ and ‘guess what, mumbers prove it’s not the media at fault’ are the SAME ARGUMENT. You and the far right types like the former and reject the latter as being an improper argument, claiming that the latter is common sense.
Read this 2 to 78 times, whatever it takes you to grasp it.
I have to agree with a portion of RE’s post here. There are many people in this nation that are medicated with mind/mood altering drugs. These drugs often have chilling side effects, look at the side effects on Chantex a commonly perscribed drug for smoking cessation. Here is a brief excerpt from the side effects documentation:
“Stop using this medication and call your doctor at once if you have any mood or behavior changes, confusion, anxiety, panic attacks, hallucinations, extreme fear, or if you feel impulsive, agitated, aggressive, restless, hostile, depressed, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself.”
We have no clue what kinds of medication Adam Lanza, James Eagan Holmes, or any number of shooters were on or had recently been taking. Psychariatrists and doctors are mucking around with people’s brains and they have little to no real knowledge of what will work or what nasty side effects might result. What drug or dose works for one person does nothing or produces horrible side effects for another. Essentially they are flinging crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Added to this is the prevelance of violence in the entertainment media. So we have people with altered brain chemistry thanks to these drugs bombarded with an orgy of fantasy violence. We’re operating on a wing and a prayer that someone doesn’t lose it and go on a rampage. Now if 10% of us are using one drug or another to make it through the day that’s roughly 33 million people. Even if only .01% of those people experience the homicidal/suicidal side effects that’s 3300 people. It’s a miracle we have as few incidents as we do.
Lapierre isn’t expressing his opinion by murdering innocent people. That crucial difference seems to be lost on you. Knives don’t bury themselves in peoples’ chests, guns don’t fire themselves, fists don’t have a separate brain.
If what people see in the media doesn’t affect behavior, corporations have wasted billions on Super Bowl ads alone.
Advertising is about brand awareness. Behaviour modification is a different animal.
So says the person who missed the fact that the Columbine killers were dressed up in trench coats like Nero from the Matrix and the Aurora Batman movie killer was dressed like the Joker.
Meanwhile down on the farm, after every shooting or a failed bombing attempt, the Tea Party link must be followed.
There was no one named ‘Nero’ in The Matrix, perhaps you meant ‘Neo’, who wore a cassock, not a trench coat.
And the Joker has green hair and a white face and wears a purple suit–not orange hair and a gas mask with body armor–that’s closer to Bane.
“Where? All I saw was derision for lapierre due to his claim after sandy hook that the problem in US society is movies and media. …”
“Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. You deflected any type of blame/responsibility…”–Dorner
People like random only see what they want to see…and ignore what they don’t want to see. That’s why they usually get things wrong.
The quote was aimed at lapierre, not the NRA.
It’s what I said at post #8.
English. Do you speak it?
Yes, I do speak English, and there’s a lot more in Dorner’s tirade than “derision” for Lapierre’s comments about violence in the entertainment biz.
But, you only see what you want to see…like I said.
Do you speak it?
Do you ever leave the script you’ve been assigned?
I’m not sure how these comments are any more loathsome than the ones here or at other conservative sites that express a longing that pro-choice supporters and abortion providers had themselves been aborted, or that women who would like to serve in combat be raped or killed in the line of duty, or that various lethal horrors should befall the President, selected members of his cabinet, homosexuals, Muslims, or representatives of causes with which they disagree. Advocating violence is hardly less disgraceful than celebrating it after the fact.
But it really doesn’t qualify as reporting to address the substance of comments anywhere, since we all know the dregs of society always come running to add their ugly two cents under cover of digital anonymity. The only news–to me, at least–is their terrifyingly large numbers.
Rubbish.
Snowy’s sad and silly nonsense isn’t worthy of a reply.
In reference to your last comments, and so what do we make of someone who deliberately seeks out these forums like a Dog to it’s vomit, to post where you know you’ll disagree with everything and everyone?
Hoist, meet Petard.
It’s funny – people say Lefties have no religion. Actually, yes you do have one: being in love with the sound of your own voices.
It does seem that occasionally commentators post outrageous remarks just to see if they can get a rise out of someone, or indeed a reply of any kind. Most are not worth the time for a response. Thoughtful even tempered riposte is what I read and what might change my thinking.
Actually, dear concern troll, what is terrifying is your moral bankruptcy and you complete incapacity to tell the difference between a site like this and the comments here and an anti-American site where the posters are cheerleading a mass murderer. You (and people like you) are like the A.I.D.S. virus – you have no immunity to the evils assaulting America from without and within. And because of that, this nation is crumbling as a result of your rudderless amoral relativism.
Why don’t you show the comments advocating the things you claim here or at other conservative sites. You can’t because you’re a liar. Meanwhile take a gander at Daily Kos or Democratic Underground on the day Cheney had a heart attack. 99% wishing the vice president of the US died.
Snow is in bad company:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/02/09/huffpo-users-overwhelmingly-support-spree-killer/
Cute naming yourself after Tintin’s dog. In reality you’re somebody’s bitch, loser.
seems like the left that hates guns, loves having this man armed and killing people.
And what happened to the left love of the law,
can we say situational ethics and sure hope that they don’t wind up in his crosshairs.
What I notice (and only one or two commenters at HuffPo pointed out) is that the Left frequently invokes Gandhi’s nonviolence or MLK’s nonviolence when they want to stop some use of force being undertaken that they disapprove of: “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind,” etc.
But when they approve of the action, Gandhi and MLK go out the window.
Hey lefties, do you really think that Gandhi would approve of this murderer?
Hey.
Let’s just keep in mind that both Ghandi nd MLK were masters of passive aggression. They set up their opponents to do something bad in front of TV cameras. Neither one was just an inncent babe in the woods. Then again, neither was Jesus.
The difference being that they picked on enemies they knew would not just slaughter them outright. Jesus knew the Romans were capable of horrendous things, and did them all the time.He knew he was playing with fire.
The 1930s British and 1960s Americans would not stand for the level of violence required to snuff out these movements with brutal force. Beside, they mostly supported the rights being claimed.
The left always uses passive aggression, until they outnumber and outgun you. Then regular old aggression is their natural choice.
If you look about you, you will see the transition happening as we speak.
These Huffpo commenters & others who are supporting this guy are showing an incredible degree of gullibility (I know, they’re libs, what’s new?) buying into what this guy said in his manifesto. I read the unedited version when it was first available & came away thinking they were the words of a deluded individual who obviously suffers from some sort of persecution complex further complicated by a healthy dose of narcissism. What he has laid out is nothing short of an absolute nightmare for many innocent people. It’s scary to consider how likely it is that more lives will be lost before he is stopped. I hope & pray he is found soon, but alas have little faith that he will be before he sends a few more people off to the proverbial eternal dirt nap.
Conservatives look to the American Revolution for guidance, inspiration and legitamacy.
Progressives look to the French Revolution for guidance, inspiration and legitamacy.
We know how both panned out. We cannot lose this fight.
Do McConnel, Boehner, Cantor understand the stakes?
I don’t think Romney did. Neither did/does McCain.
We really need a standard bearer. Which is why Palin had to be destroyed. She got it.
Maybe she “got it” but lacked the discipline & perseverance that would have been required to be any sort of a “standard bearer.” Such a type would have never done such a thing as quit a governorship under any circumstances.
when to hold ‘em,
and know
when to fold ‘em
Does the word “lawfare” ring a bell? One can be ruined by accusers with deep pockets.
And how many hundreds of thousands of dollars would she have had to spend to defend herself from dozens of frivolous lawsuits? According to Alaska law the governor must pay her own legal costs and the post isn’t one to make one rich.
You talk a good fight but would you bankrupt your family in a similar situation?
Pailin was Borked times 10.
I stopped reading the garbage spewing from HuffPo last year. I couldn’t take the sheer lunacy that is their comments section.
Fanned and Faved!
The whole setup at HP is designed to prevent any serious discussion. Silly rewards if people like! you, word limits and strict censorship. The whole idea is to promote conformity and cutesy sound bites.
I do not always agree with everyone at PJM but at least here you are treated like an adult and there is serious discussion.
All this happening right in the middle of Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s back yard and her push for a national ban on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
We should not be able to own assault weapons,
but the police can can fire dozens of automatic rounds at innocent blue trucks carrying poor women trying to deliver LA newspapers.
Dianne Feinstein reminds me of a dim snow creme colored twisty bulb.
She reminds me of something else entirely, but that’s not printable.
Wackos on the left do know, I trust, that Dorner is the likely killer of the young couple Monica Quan and her fiance, Keith Lawrence sitting in their car in Irvine CA.
And that Monica Quan’s father, longtime LAPD officer, Randy Quan, represented Dorner before the review according to the LA Times.
A double homicide on a guy’s daughter & her fiance in a revenge killing ?
How disgusting, low and stupid are these HuffPo idiots ?
Monica Quan – Asian girl. Keith Lawrence – black guy. Dorner sure is teaching those racists, isn’t he?
Here’s “norielmom”:
“I really hate he has to kill, but I also believe his story. what people don’t understand is that a person’s name is all they have and when that’s taken, only the Lord can restore it.
By this logic, I guess they would support, or would have supported, Sarah Palin if she had taken a gun and just started mowing down the network reporters who slandered and made fun of her. After all “a person’s name is all they have…”
As I said as soon as this story broke, if they take Dorner alive, he’ll be the left’s new Mumia Abu Jamal.
I hope they take him alive, and that the most moonbat of the left rushes screaming to his defense. It would help to show them for what they are, maybe stretch their “victimization” talking points to the breaking point with a lot of more moderate people who recognize this guy for the vile sack of sh*t he is. I hope he gets up in court and praises the media, and Obama, and calls for gun control in a way that’s very hard for the media to cover up. He’s just the spokesman we need their side to have. The smarter among them know they can’t allow that to happen though, he’ll be killed one way or another before he can do serious damage to the cause.
Here are the worst 22 separate comments out of the first 57 currently up. You don’t have to cherry-pick to make this case.
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“We need to stop the paramiltary movement that has coopted the citizen police force.”
“the Justice Department needs to get involved here… LAPD has shown they are incapable of self regulating”
“I agree with practically everything this man wrote in his manifesto. Very impressive guy.”
“LAPD is just reaping what it has sown.”
“the only disturbing thing about it (manifesto) is the actions taken by the LAPD and many LAPD officers described within.”
“He stands for the truth to be told”
“I do NOT see how anyone could believe the LAPD with 100% certainty and demonize Dorner completely.”
“It’s war. Innocent people get hit too. It’s called collateral damage. I won’t shed a tear for her. (Woman who was murdered)”
“His face looks like an honest face, his credentials are really high. I am wondering if the LAPD is at fault for torturing this man emotionally.”
“Killing innocent peoole to prove a point is….pointless. However, his manifesto is solid. Its unfortunate and incredibly sad he has gotten to this point.”
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“What innocent people has he killed? Be very careful who you consider to be innocent.”
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“True that!”
“He is believable and laid out his case very well. I have great empathy for what he has been through working at LAPD because there is a separate reality for black Americans.”
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“Well written: “Institutional racism exists and those who deny it are often perpetrators [who] want to keep” the undue advantages and ill-gains by which they feign superiority.”
“The good guy is the one who doesn’t shoot two innocent people (police mistake) for a completely mistaken identity. He’s usually the one who gets fired for telling the truth.”
“Live by racism, die by racism!”
“LAPD has something to hide it appears. I see him as their victim.”
“Officer Dorner lost everything at the hands of overt racists who callously targeted him”
“This manifesto is disturbing because it is believable.”
“They never stop to wonder why somebody like Dorner came to exist, do they? Might have something to do with unarmed minorities and their habit of being killed by cops, armed or not. I don’t condone violence or murder, but what this amounts to is turnabout; it is the chickens coming home to roost, it is California police reaping the rotten fruit that they have sown.”
“We need to absolutely discount what the cops say, they are trained liars, I have read enough in the last 5 years to now realize we all need protection from the cops. I will believe anyone over a cop any day.”
“I have lived enough in the last 30 years, born and raised in NYC, to know that we need protection from the police.”
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Any questions why a racist like Obama was elected? Twice? This isn’t some wacko site, this is a mainstream organ, where the blogs by celebrities, activists and journalists day in and day out generally reflect this same view of America of one that is racist, always has been racist, and may always be racist. This is what happens when bigotry is mainstreamed and institutionalized in America, like MSNBC does. This is the default view in the liberal world. This is the sad heart of why “diversity” is so wanted. This is why illegal aliens are heroes, and criminals by rap artists who reflect Dorner’s view, rap artists who sing the national anthem at baseball games and whose wives perform at the Superbowl. This is what happens when the President of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, John Scalzi, writes clever arguments about white privilege that detach and attach morality according to skin color as once happened to Jews and black folks.
Liberals share the same intellectual and philosophical space as the KKK and Nazis when it comes to race. The difference is in the particulars, not the principle. All that’s been changed is the target.
Thank you, o Failmeister, for going out and culling this harvest of insanity so that the rest of us can see it up close & personal. It’s truly scary.
Honestly, it’s a tossup as to whether designing the Huffington Post is the one think for which Andrew Breitbart truly should have apologized, or whether he did society a service by providing a handy preserve where we could observe the conscienceless Left in its natural habitat.
You are absolutely correct.
The modern Left, with its fantasies of anti-imperialism and multiculturalism, has created a kind of upside-down racialism in which:
Blacks and Arabs are the salt of the earth and noble peaceful peoples
Whites and Jews are at the bottom of the barrel
Today’s Left is largely made up of aberrant and abnormal people who are constantly twisting themselves into pretzels to legitimize aberrant and abnormal.
Exactly like the HuffPo writers mentioned above, all of these people can be explained and understood in light of this impulse, this phenomenon.
Obama, his mentor J Wright, his mentor’s mentor Louis Farrakhan, fall into this category to one extent or another.
Predictably, the race-obsessed anti-white mainstream site owned by the Washington Post, The Root, which leaves no stone unturned when it comes to the least black connection to the least thing, is virtually ignoring the story, having only one terse paragraph introducing a quote from the L.A. Times that there may be a break due to the weather.
They do have Trayvon Martin: Week 49.
Ironically, the most shared story at The Root is this: “These African Americans Made a Difference, and the White House Noticed.”
Hahahahah.
No offense to anyone, but the amount of name calling, finger pointing and gross generalizations of people based on your limited (mis)understanding of people different than you is atrocious. I’m only a passerby here, but it’s sad that there’s so much polarization in this country that there are actually people who exist who think the world is so black and white that there’s actually a “lefty/righty” or “con/lib” or “dem/repub” split.
This all distracts and detracts from what really matters: improving our country (and world around us) though open discourse, positive action and just being decent to each other. That you can assume to understand people based on what side of some imaginary political or moral line you think they fall on, says a lot about you.
Obviously those comments are deplorable, and this man’s actions are completely unacceptable under any version of a decent, civilized world… but lumping these commenters into a group, with names like libs, lefties, etc, accomplishes nothing positive, and serves to further divide people, over what is clearly a simple issue: very few sane people would excuse what this man is doing, regardless of his reasons. Suggesting that half the country (all “liberals”, “democrats”, etc) are as insane or misguided as these commenters, simply because you think HuffPo is their voice or their chosen place to convene is downright ludicrous. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone in my life who would excuse this behavior. I actually read his “manifesto” (with names edited out, except for celebrities). If he had an ounce of truth, or just cause for feeling wronged, all that flew out the window the minute he took up arms against these people. There were a million other ways he could have gained attention… but indiscriminately killing people is simply unacceptable.
Feel free to assume my intentions, stereotype me, and pick apart my words. I seek no one’s approval here. I simply felt compelled to comment as I read the article and then the comments section.
A group? A group like the Democratic Party – self-described progressive and liberal? Funny how you think just mentioning their true and real name, or abbreviated versions, is an insult. Lefty isn’t like “teabagger,” which is a frickin’ insult, and a vulgar one. More Orwellian gobbledegook from a mindset that believes a bastardization of the Spanish word “negro” was an insult in 1858. On the Left, a true and real description is an insult. That’s how you go from negro to colored to black. What’s next oh semantic wizards? These insults come in backwards. Face it, any description of a black person will eventually come to be seen as an insult by the Left, no matter what it is. That is in fact a progression, but not progressive.
All this idiocy is why the Dem Party’s adherents support men like Dorner and Mumia. Is it a coincidence Dorner is an anti-gun, murderer by gun? No, it is not. Liberals are Orwellian morons. They are anti-racists who do more to advance the cause of racism in America than any single group. Virtually 100% of groups, institutions, websites and laws centered around skin color are on the political Left. That Left is led by head-racist President Obama, who himself spent 20 years in an anti-white racist cult which gave its highest honor to the leader of a group, Louis Farrakhan, that even the compromised Southern Poverty Law Center says is a hate group. Hate is love.
As for gross generalizations, how is 22 out of 57 comments, (and only the worst) a gross generalization? They are quotes, not blithe stereotypes I pulled out of my mind.
I don’t “think” the HuffPo is a chosen place to convene – is is. It is an enormously popular mainstream liberal site that rakes in tens of millions of dollars. It does that while, ironically, not paying many guest bloggers, thereby violating the precious union tripe they push. Would those same celebrity bloggers let me work for free in a movie or on TV, or without a SAG card? Not on your life. Can I have a “White Voices” section at the HuffPo. Do any white people in America even want such a dumb thing? No.
Liberalism is hypocrisy in motion. Though you wrote a nice disclaimer, your main point is semantic gibberish. Lib is short for liberal; it’s telling you think that’s the dreaded “N-word.” But then, that’s another lib specialty, being insulted by reality or marginal nothing, like the term “retarded.” Half the country voted for Obama, a man who by any principle I’ve ever seen expressed throughout history is a racist. Yes, that makes half the country naive morons. Deal with it. There is such a thing as right and wrong, like in baseball, balls and strikes. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.
Race-based political correctness is a form of insanity and a cultural suicide cult.
“That’s how you go from negro to colored to black.”
The wheel has now come full circle, in that many blacks now refer to themselves as “people of color.”
Try asking a black person what’s the difference semantically between “colored person” and “person of color.”
The sanctimonious stench waffles through my screen. So tell me Saint, exactly how are we to improve our country when a mainstream “LEFTIST” website has a large number of fans, perhaps the majority, actively rooting for innocent death. Should we give them a big kiss? Call them nice names?
You’re a fool. I’m not going to attempt to unite with scum like that.
Another useful idiot trying so hard to have an open mind that his brain fell out.
Agreed. Completely useless and holding the typical Leftist double standard in judgment. *YAWN*
What really scares me is that so many–even on the Left–would simply ACCEPT at face value–with little or no concern or checkeing the facts—-the ranting justifications of a MULTIPLE MURDERER.
Think about for a couple of seconds—this guy ADMITTED he was planning on killing somebodies KIDS for alledgely “lying” about him. Yeah, that HAS all the hallmarks of someone whose judegement you can trust. If he is so far gone that he thinks its resonable to go around killing peoples KIDS…then how in the gods name can he be trusted on ANYTHING he claims????
If he is so far gone he is runnig around killing peoples KIDS then how can anyone belive ANYTHING he says???????
Heard a tape of some equally scumbag murderer–think it was John Gasey (sp) and his pretty much final words were mainly how he had been “railroaded.” Guess the apple does not fall far from the tree when it comes to murderers.
A buddy of mine rhetorically asked what they (“they” being the self-same Huffpo supporters) if the man whose daughter was murderded by this wack-job tracked down HIS mother/other family and friends and killed THEM for the same reasons this wack-job did…would they be willing to support THAT action?
Sarah Palin took more blame for Giffords from the Left then this Dorner is taking for innocent people he assassinated. He justifies this by using classic liberal talking points of the last 10 years.
There is no greater example of what hypocrites the Left is than that. If this guy liked Fox News the headlines and trumpets would be blaring from coast-to-coast. The Root would stop the presses if the guy was white and Racialicious would light up.
MSNBC would have extra live coverage of the manhunt and Obama would make some viper-like comment about cops who act stupidly. They’d have John Lee Malvo complaining live from his cell.
I’ve been criticized for years for saying that “progressives” are by nature violent, and particularly criticized for saying that Obama’s body count is only less that the mass murdering tyrants of the last few centuries because he knows that he would be deposed if he ever tried it in this country. For the moment, he has to satisfy himself playing god with drones.
Radical Leftists are, by nature, violent. They HAVE to control others, and when they can’t, if they have the power, they will eliminate those they can’t control.
And the left picks up guns. Welcome, what took you so long? Nice to have something in common with you. This….. is epic.
Ironically, then, Dorner’s identification with left-wing ideas is the impetus for simultaneous support for and denial of who he really is.)
The mainstream Left’s relationship with actual communism (and it’s 100+ million body count) in a nutshell.
I look with a weather eye on those numbers. Al Qaradawi only spoke in Tahrir Square 2 years ago and already, with the massive presence of documentation, the last time that speech was mentioned on PJM the numbers in that audience had inflated to millions.
In the entire history of Egypt I doubt millions have ever gathered at one spot. I’d be surprised if there were a half-million that day. A large crowd, but not unusual during that period, late Jan., early Feb. 2011.
are two peas in a pod
They do in fact share the same basic world view. Race, race, race, the man, the man, the man, the system, the system, the system.
in a single cell, they can do life together
old times for Barry
Dorner on top
Hopefully, there is one thing this thread has proven.
There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, redeeming or edifying about the Leftists like Randomengineer or this WorldMusic misfit.
Maybe this will be the tipping point of squelching this stupid argument of finding common ground and bipartisanship. They are the enemy.
There is no common ground I wish to find that excuse or cheer on rogue cops shooting innocent people, nor with enablers who would allow such behavior like Jackson. They should be scorned and nothing else.
I agree: the Huffington Post is an intellectual and philosophical cesspool of mincing political correctness, racism and hypocrisy. Like MSNBC, the Kos, Soledad O’Brien, Roland Martin and a host of Left-wing voices, their logic and fundamental world view is like a badly written novel with plot holes you could drive a truck through.
I’ve been a part of firing several cops, disciplining probably hundreds, and have even defended a few in my new post-retirement life. None of the reporters have been smart enough to actually identify the kind of review that resulted in this guy’s dismissal from the LAPD. Now first, it is possible that the guy was just stupid and didn’t avail himself of the available avenues of remedy if he was, indeed, wronged; possible but not likely.
A unionized cop has the union’s contractual grievance and arbitration process available to him/her but the union has some discretion in how far it will take a case. It is pretty much pro forma that any union will take any grievance to the top administrative step of the grievance procedure. In this phase, the administrators of the department review the action that was taken. It is actually an effective check against error and if the discipline or dismissal was the result of personal bias or discrimination or an abuse of discretion, upper management will USUALLY reverse because of the cost and embarrassment involved in losing an arbitration or an appeal to the courts.
If the administrative levels do not satisfy the union, they can take the grievance to arbitration before a neutral arbitrator usually selected from a panel agreed to by the union and the employer and the arbitrator of a particular case is usually selected by alternate strikes from the panel. The arbitrator’s lawful decision is final, binding, and entitled to great deference by the courts. In hundreds of discipline and dismissal arbitrations I can think of quite a few in which the arbitrator reduced or overturned the employer’s action that I thought were just flat out wrong. Some of that is because an advocate always has to believe he can win and part of it is because West Coast arbitrators are VERY solicitous of employees who’ve been dismissed. The unions call dismissal industrial capital punishment and a lot of arbitrators buy that thinking. If the employer has a good case but the arbitrator has some doubt, s/he’ll reduce a dismissal to significant discipline on the thinking that if the employee really is a bad guy, s/he’ll do something else and with major discipline already on the record, the next arbitrator will be comfortable sustaining a dismissal. In twenty-odd years of appearing in arbitration only one case comes to mind in which an arbitrator sustained a dismissal about which I had doubts. I talked to the arbitrator about it years later and he too had doubts but because of the employee’s law enforcement position and his authority over essentially defensely people, since he could believe my circumstantial theory, he felt he had to. ONE – in over twenty years.
My sense is the “review” over which he killed his representative’s daughter and her boyfriend was either the employer’s administrative process or an administrative step in the union’s contractual grievance procedure. If it was the employer’s review process he either didn’t grieve it or the union wouldn’t grieve it. I find that possible but unlikely. As I said above, the union will almost always take any case through the administrative steps of the grievance procedure and an employee/member has a powerful body of legal rights if s/he thinks the union unfairly deprived him of representation. If the “review” was the final administrative step of the grievance procedure and the union refused to take it to arbitration, it is a 99% certainty that the union thought he was guilty as charged and didn’t want to spend the members’ money and the union’s reputation in defending an obviously guilty employee – it really does happen.
The reason I say it is a 99% certainty is there is some possibility that somebody in a high place in the union didn’t like the guy or he’d gotten cross-threaded with an administration that the union supported, remote but possible, and I’ve seen it happen in Democrat administrations. Usually, even if the union wants to support an administration or thinks a guy is guilty but s/he insists on taking it forward, the union will do it because it is cheaper to lose an arbitration than to win a “duty of fair representation” lawsuit, known in the trade as a DFR. A good union rep knows how to let the employer rep know that it is a DFR and they can call each other names, let the grievant have his say, make it clear to the arbitrator what they’re doing, and be drinking with the arbitrator by 5 PM.
My money is the employer had the goods on him and he’s obscessing on his not being able to game the system; it is a real problem with minorities. They think the game is always rigged for them and simply won’t accept not getting away with it even when they’re conclusively guilty.
you lost me…so what exactly are you saying here? that you feel this lunatic’s killing spree is somehow justified?
He’s pretty clearly saying just the opposite. Basically that it is extremely difficult to get wrongfully fired in that kind of situation because the system tends to favor the employee. Read the last paragraph especially, pretty much sums it up.
@Biff -
Reading comprehension is a really good skill that you should work on developing.
He’s saying he was fired for cause then, and his acting out now is all the sick crap floating around in a twisted mind.
“… it is a real problem with minorities. They think the game is always rigged for them and simply won’t accept not getting away with it even when they’re conclusively guilty.” And meanwhile they (too often) complain that the game is always rigged against them — a sort of emotional extortion to get even more favorable treatment for themselves.
It’s a little like the cynical racial game involved in the election of Obama: The people promoting his candidacy knew very well that the cultural scales at this point in time were tipped in favor of electing “the first black president” with great enthusiasm and self-congratulation. But meanwhile they claimed (and continue to claim) that the slightest doubt about Obama or dislike of his agenda amounts to proof that the game is rigged against him — and therefore we all need to be guilt-tripped into supporting him 100%.
Exactly the dynamic.
And from the results of the last few days, I’d say the fellow who s-canned him was entirely correct in his decision, wouldn’t you?
Absolutely correct.
The foremost thing it says to me is that LAPD has really lousy applicant screening. This guy’s bio screams whackjob and a decent psych screening should have pitched him to the curb, but big Blue governments don’t do that screening and testing stuff with minority candidates.
The Democrat government here in Anchorage had made a poster boy of a particular Hispanic cop they’d recruited. When we restored some adult supervision with a Republican mayor a little poking around disclosed that he was an illegal alien with a fraudulent identity.
A poster below says that the guy was a probationary employee of the LAPD at the time of his dismissal. That may explain why he had only the administrative review because it is common for union contracts to limit access to the grievance and arbitration process to permanent employees only. It also demonstrates something very wrong with public employee hiring and not just in Democrat governments. It is very difficult and expensive to establish applicant screening and testing that will withstand discrimination complaints, so the response of many, maybe most, public employers has been to drop the minimum qualifications for jobs to “fogs a mirror” and then use the probationary period to weed out those who can’t or won’t do the job. That is OK though a bit wasteful if you have adult supervision. Unfortunately, in the Blue places all it takes is a phone call from the union, a community organizer, or a Black preacher and you ain’t firing that employee, probationary or not. Supervisors know this so they don’t even bother to supervise. They just put their head down, draw their pay, and wait for a change of administration or that wonderful day when they’re eligible to retire.
But, but… Zeke says people like rogue cop Chris Dorner and the LAPD are “professionals” who deserve to have AR-15′s while common citizens do not. I mean, it’s not as if the LAPD will shoot 40+ bullets into the back of a truck that has two little hispanic ladies in it.
This is one of the things I don’t understand about conservatives – the constant love of the police.
Yes, this guy is a murderer and deserves to be caught. But frankly, the LAPD isn’t much better. At least this guy had a reason to kill the people he did. Not an entirely sane reason. But cops are shooting up trucks just for the heck of it. And they won’t face any sort of sanction. Cops are essentially above the law in this country, yet are no different than the criminals they supposedly protect us from.
Remember, too, the ruling party of the government right now (and for the forseeable future) considers conservatives and especially Tea Party members to be terrorists. And that includes Law Enforcement.
You do have a point, but not that much of one, IMO. “At least this guy had a reason to kill the people he did”? For the Love of Life Orchestra, EVERY mad-dog killer thinks he’s entirely justified, which doesn’t mean sane people have to entertain his bloodthirsty rationalizations. You also write, “cops are shooting up trucks just for the heck of it.” No, they’re not. What they are doing is panicking. True, this is a symptom of poor training, utter disregard for public safety, and plain damn foolishness on both the individual and institutional level, but it is NOT the LAPD having fun. Why do you buy the killer’s “reasons” but assume pure evil on the part of the cops? You might have heard this wise application of Occam’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
It’s not a question of loving the police as if it’s unconditionally and some starry-eyed affair. It’s a question of making up lies that police kill unarmed minority boy scouts for fun. It’s a question of believing things that simply are not true.
According to FBI statistics from the last several years, blacks kill whites at twice the rate. In 2010 is a typical year, 447 whites were murdered by blacks, 218 blacks murdered by whites.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls
Yet the liberal meme is completely the opposite. The Trayvon Martin case was an argument from the Left that it’s open season on blacks and whites do it all the time. In fact, that is a lie. The Left even transformed Zimmerman into a white and doubled down on their lying.
Such statistics are meaningless to the Left. They know what they know and that’s the end of it if they aren’t talking about more blacks living below the poverty line as if people kill for such reasons. At that point they’ll march out Emmett Till like a piece of the one, true cross and use him to banish reality and inconvenient truths, while at the same time saying again and again that white America can’t handle the truth. Well, America can handle the truth, just not liberal lies.
900,000 blacks are incarcerated in America, 800,000 whites, even though blacks are only 13% of the population and whites are 73%. You can’t wish that away by saying whites are racists, sentencing is unfair, mention non-violent drug offenses and walk away.
That’s all not cop-love, it’s reality-love. Liberals can’t deal with reality. Liberals despise context, statistics and accurate history because it almost inevitably conflicts with their world view, which is a fantasy that exists only in their own heads.
I’ve seen some interesting stats about how many of the black citizens shot by cops were short by black cops. It seems, as I recall, that black cops are less hesitant about pulling a gun on a threatening black citizen than white cops are — probably because they’re not so worried about setting off riots over “raaaacism.”
This is one of the things that distinguishes many conservatives from libertarians.
I am a right-winger who wants our society to have order and discipline. Social progress cannot occur without social order. (Ask the Iraqis how easy it is to run a country when suicide bombings are occurring every other Tuesday.)
The cops are the “thin blue line” keeping us from dissolving into anarchy.
Except that line has gotten very, very broad, indeed, and very few cops seek out real trouble, even when it is standing ten feet from them.
It’s way easier to arrest white guys for drunk driving than to take in a crack dealer. It’s even easier to roadblock those same white men for any and all “safety” violations, not to mention both practices are far more lucrative than arresting dangerous criminals. After all, white men must pay their bills; crack dealers, not so much.
If they have enough officers to run “safety checks” almost every week where I live, they have too damn many cops.
I won’t even get into why the EPA and the FDA and the Agricuture Department need their own SWAT teams.
“The cops are the “thin blue line” keeping us from dissolving into anarchy.”
Obviously wrong. They are just the civilians hired to do the job of detecting and arresting the people who actually hurt people and steal from them, those who break the public peace. There aren’t nearly enough of them to keep “us from dissolving into Anarchy” if that is what even a large minority are inclined to do.
Law enforcement reflects its management. In a Blue city in a Blue state like LA, CA, the Police Department’s management is union chattel and the mayor and all other elected officials are recipients of heavy union contributions. If you’re a cop in a place like that you know that only two things can get you in serious trouble: committing a crime that somebody important to the administration cares about and doing something to embarrass the administration. Supervisors know that in a union-backed Democrat administration that actually directing, correcting, or disciplining a misbehaving employee is far more likely to get the supervisor in trouble than the employee, so they simply stop supervising. Supervisors and managers who persist in foolish notions like hiring only qualified applicants and controlling employee conduct come in to find that their new office doesn’t have windows, their seat flushes, their phone isn’t connected, and their email account is going to take a long time to set up. When that happens you can just accept it and put your head down and wait for a change of administration or retirement or you can quit. This is why public employees, including cops, in Blue places are so arrogant and unproductive.
Some of you will recall Sarah Palin’s troubles over trying to get her State Trooper ex-brother in law, Tpr. Wooten, fired. The Wooten’s discipline was far too lax for the conduct the Palins complained about and for other things he’d done that never made the news. The reason the discipline was so lax was that we’d had eight years of a union-owned Democrat administration. Until the last couple of years, that administration’s labor relations policy was, “ask the union what it wants.” Unions, and especially the State Trooper union, didn’t need a grievance procedure, they just needed a phone number. State Trooper supervisors and managers knew that doing anything the union didn’t like would have them doing the carpet dance in their political appointee boss’ office. But, the union couldn’t grieve reprimands. Consequently, misconduct that should have gotten employees significant suspensions without pay got reprimands so that there’d be something on the record for later and that the union couldn’t grieve to have removed, though they could and did have things removed with a phone call, but it had to be someone or something they really cared about. In the successor administration we tried to ramp up the level of discipline but with only limited success; we’d pop a guy for ten days without pay and the union would trot out ten similar or worse incidents where the employee got only a reprimand and argue disparate treatment or discrimination and the arbitrator would reduce the discipline. When I heard that Wooten’s already paltry discipline had been reduced in a settlement with the union, I called one of my old subordinates and said, “please tell me my name isn’t on that grievance resolution.” Fortunately it wasn’t; they waited until after I retired to run that number on my successor. I’m sure the Trooper management was thinking that the Democrat was going to win the 2006 gubernatorial election so they were trying to curry favor with the Troopers’ union. Palin won, and one of the first things she did was take out the appointee-level people involved in it. What Palin didn’t understand was that her new head of the Department was a former Anchorage Police Chief and as such was a made-man of the cop unions and everything she and her aides were trying to do to Wooten was going straight to the Troopers’ union and the Democrats. Memo to file: No Republican should ever hire someone to an appointee-level position who has ever been a Democrat appointee. It’s a nasty business!
Got a couple felonies there Jer, so now you’re a cop hater? I’d love to see LA with 50000 gangbangers and no cops. Hope they head for Hollywood first.
As a retired member of the other big Dept. in Los Angeles County it makes me sick to read post and comments on all these internet sites that support this crazed man. With his limited time with LAPD and the fact that he was still on probation, he was far from being a experienced cop. He is the type of person that will always blame the system if things don’t go his way.
No surprise HuffPo readers support a killer. I finally visited that site last year for the first time and it was enough to make it the last. The filthy content and vile topics were enough to make me feel ill that such a disgusting site could have so much influence over public opinion.
No one with any moral compass would make a habit of visiting that rag for news or entertainment; it contains nothing decent or of value.
Not too far into his first term, Barack Obama advised a graduating college class to seek “balance” in their news, to read sites like the Huffington Post.
He went out of his way to name that specific site, to make that his advice to graduating seniors.
Obama began that first term advising Congress to not listen to Rush Limbaugh. About a month ago in an interview with the National Review (?), he again lamented critics on the right, blaming the stalemate in Congress on their very existence. (That particular stalemate is a function of the fact that Mr. I Won™ thinks getting something like 3.5% more votes than the other guy means that the other guys’ position should just disappear from the planet.)
Old Ben Franklin advised us that crushing freedom of speech is at the top of the agenda for Public Traytors. (Ben’s spelling)
Hmmm. You’re a braver man than I. I would no more visit HuffPo than I would a Tijuana ‘ho’ house. Or CNN. Or MSNBC. I do have standards and the idea that you should know your enemy doesn’t mean I have to ‘sleep’ with them. Their trolls like to come here and spew so I have an idea how they think. I remember Jon Stewart’s interview with leftists at the democratic convention and their replies concerning conservatives so I pretty much know their mantra.
…and they ALL voted for Øbama.
Bunch of hogwash in my opinion. There are millions of unique users
reading various Huff Po stories every day. So if this story generated
500 comments, and Mr. Wargas found that majority of them “sympathized” with
the killer, then that means majority of Huff Po readers support the
guy? No. That would be called junk statistics.
In addition, the identification of his race as the reason they are
sympathizing with him is even more ridiculous. Before Wargas mentioned
that, I never even thought of it. I thought these idiots were
sympathizing with him b/c they felt he got screwed by the police. And
It’s pretty obvious to me that people who are from the extreme left
don’t care much for the police (See Occupy movement supporters).
To bring race into the argument is rather sad, and a perfect pathetic
parallel to these idiots who are trying to find some justification in
what this lunatic is doing in LA. I don’t know this writer, but seems
like he might suffer from the White man’s burden.
“So if this story generated
500 comments, and Mr. Wargas found that majority of them “sympathized” with
the killer, then that means majority of Huff Po readers support the
guy? No. That would be called junk statistics.”
Except he didn’t say that. The article mentions “users” in the title and then talks about Huf Po commenters. In any case it should be shocking to you, it is to me, that ANY comments support this murderer and the huge number of comments indicate that it is not at all just a few loonies.
” To bring race into the argument is rather sad, and a perfect pathetic
parallel to these idiots who are trying to find some justification in
what this lunatic is doing in LA.”
So, you didn’t actually read the manifesto then? Dorner brought race into it. It is a major theme in his rant.
I read his manifesto. He is one seriously deranged racist “human being”. But after listening to years and years of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright, and other noted “peace loving orators”, how else could he think?
To be a ‘Libtard’ means being capable of holding such diametrically opposite and self contradictory thoughts in your brain at the same time such as
‘It is evil and unAmerican to drip water on REAL Terrorists faces”
and
“Taking out people, even American CITIZENS, from 30,000 feet with a missile regardless of collateral damage is perfectly OK – Oh and the USURPER is qualified to act as Judge Jury and Executioner too no need for due process of Law”
You are a true Libtard if you cannot see the stinking HYPOCRISY in that.
Oh and we may as well start saying ‘Heil Meine Führer” to the USURPER as that is the path he is taking America down. Just like that other SOCIALIST ‘gun control’ death panel monster Hitler did in Germany.
Remember the movie “Network” ???…………..”I’M MAD AS HELL AND AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE”
This is how a murderer is chosen over the innocent. As long as his ideology, goals and intentions are the same murder is a minor inconvenience or issue to the main cause. Never mind Christopher Dorner is wrong about his motivations and justification for homicide. I guess the civil war, civil rights movement and fight for equality never happened in mr. Dorner’s mind.
His grievances trump reality and the value of human lives he deems less important to his cause which matches many people at HuffPo. Death, murder and forced submission to their view of the world is the goal. The faster we submit the better.
The world will experience peace the faster we agree with people like Christopher Dorner. Right?
bwahaha. so this is where the less intelligent righties hang out.
a lie, a faulty assumption if you will, underlies this whole premise.
LOTS OF RIGHTWING BATSHIT CRAZY TROLLS COMMENT ON HUFF POST.
TO ASSUME A PERSON IS A LIBERAL BECAUSE THEY COMMENT THERE IS LUDICROUS.
BWAHAHA.
really, thanks for the giggles.
So the true premise then is that all of the hundreds of comments supporting the murderer are actually written by rightwing batshit trolls hanging out at a website with well known liberal leanings who are pretending to be liberals in order to discredit them.
Don’t forget all of the folks that hit the fan and fave buttons for those comments. Those are right wingers faking it too.
Sounds like a super secret right wing cabal is really messing things up for the “true” liberals who would never write such things.
WCITSOYP?
We know, cuz none of us are conservatives.
Or alive.
Or have fingernails.
What a demented comment by Lily
Guys, take a breath. Lily Longflower is a troll. I mean, seriously, nobody could be that stupid as to actually say something like that and believe it. Don’t waste your time replying.
Nothing more need be said but, this is your reality, Lib. Suck on it.
At least one of the people quoted above was a “super user”, presumably entailing a long presence and history of posting. An established account.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/02/09/huffpo-users-overwhelmingly-support-spree-killer/#comment-473319
I’m there a lot because of AOL’s folly. We don’t ASSUME they’re liberal, the unreasoned garbage that they post leaves no doubt in our minds.
And Lily, you got that right, any conservative on HuffPo is considered a troll, no matter what they say.
I see where the LAPD is going to reopen the murderer’s firing case. Oh gee…. the guy had every right to murder 3 people. There is only one word for the LAPD and those that support this vicious murderer. Losers.
It is instances such as this that will drive many people away from The Anointed One and his party. No one has ever done a statistical analysis of Obama supporters and the Democrat Party since 2006, but I’ve always thought their support is rather shallow. Gun ownership transcends party affiliation; as does such ideas as citizenship and normal decency. For this reason, the MSM and the entire Democratic Borg of spin, reporting, and MSM narrative must keep stories like this off the normal media channels (TV, Cable, Newspapers, and the “evening news”).
The Democrat Party is in fact a continuous battleground between committed activists, single issue advocates, intellectuals, political operatives, unionists, and Far Left Celebs, and Progressives.
Actually, I am surprised that anyone is surprised about the support for Dorner. It is the natural inevitable reaction to the heavy-handed tactics of today’s militarized police departments.
Case to point: Jose Guerena was sleeping in his bed after working the night shift at a copper mine. The PInal County Sharif;s office SWAT team served a search warrant at his house. One of the nervous deputies had an accidental discharge of his firearm into a doorjamb causing the rest of the team to open up and fire 71 rounds at Mr Guerena. In the attempts to cover up their bungling, the PCSO claimed that the subsequent search of Guerena’s house turned up a ‘portion of a Border Patrol uniform’ – which turned out to be a Border Patrol ball cap that can be purchased at numerous places including Amazon.
Case to point: The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office sent their SWAT team – Complete with a TANK – to serve a search warrant on an unarmed man accused of no more than raising roosters for cockfighting.
When Dorner went rogue and started killing cops, where do you think the sympathies of Guerena’s family lie?
“When Dorner went rogue and started killing cops, where do you think the sympathies of Guerena’s family lie?”
I know I have no reason to expect professionalism or competence, or even goodwill, from any officer–look at the laws they volunteer to support in trade for a paycheck–but I know killing their family members is not justified by any crime they’ve done to date. Dorner’s so far over the line he can’t get vector for it with a GPS.
And really, his whole beef with the LAPD is they wouldn’t let him in on their corrupt gravy train. To the left, this is valiant revolution?
Anecdote is not society. Exception is not rule.
“When Dorner went rogue and started killing cops…”
Except that never happened.
He started by killing 20-something women and their fiances. Who neither had ever been cops.
It’s not “terrorism” when left/liberals do it, apparently (but just let Rush call Sandra Fluke a slut).
If you are a regular reader of the Huffington Post, in order to see what the left is thinking, you will notice the vitriol, bile, and hatred dripping from the comments posted after each article, by the Post’s predominantly leftist readership. So I am not surprised that they would be supportive of Dorner.
If you think that’s bad, read this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/10/1186146/-LAPD-Dorner-is-domestic-terrorist. Nothing but constant justifications for Dorner.
The left wing blogs are sickening to me, on this and many other issues.
But the thing is that I have no doubt that if his ideology were different, say for instance that he was instead targeting abortion providers and their families, the roles would simply be reversed and many right wingers here would be supporting this evil psycho while the left wing blogs would be condemning him as a terrorist. That is why I can’t stand either of the extremes.
Actually, no.
The conservative attitude towards someone who murders an innocent is that they should, at minimum, be locked away for life. Many prefer that the murderer just be put down.
Nice try at moral equivalency, though.
Dorner is a murderer, plain and simple he is no hero to the left nor right he is just a man who decided his point of view is good enough to be a reason to kill people he believes have wronged him. Even if what he says is true that’s no excuse to kill and maim people. What person would think this clown is justified in killing the daughter of the guy who he considers is to blame? The sandy hook school killer is considered a horrible baby killer yet the hero of the left has killed someone Else’s child for revenge and is celebrated by the liberals who condemned the school murders. Adam Lanza bad, Dorner good both are nuts and both are murderers.
Dorner, Bat shit crazy and bug house insane he is just a common killer and should be captured and tried then put down like a rabid animal. Any resistance and he should die on the spot.
Try not to kill or injure any innocent bystanders in the process.
i’ve never seen a more vile and disgusting group of losers than in this comment section, it makes me want to puke.
Go ahead and worship the nazis you claim you can defeat should they “get out of hand” with your AR-15 from Cabbelas, gun nuzzlers.
A battalion of cops to take out one of their own who crossed the thin blue line.
He spoke out, and sought justice he knew would never come from the system…he had more ballz than any of the milquetoast whiners on this propaganda site.
None of you deserve to be called Americans.
Dano, the only people he shot who weren’t police trying to arrest him for the murder he committed were a 20-something couple who had never been police. The officers he shot weren’t even part of the Demon LAPD.
If 53% of the country supports Dorner (which couldn’t be further from the truth), that means that we hate the government and authority just as much as you guys.
I just went over to HP and did not see support of love for Dorner. This article is made up cr@p just like they do at Fox. The comments over there do question some police tactics and policies, but no love for Dorner. There were a few that thought he had a good case for what he claimed happened to him, but condemns what he did. You’re going to always have a few nuts out there who hate the cops, but don’t try to turn this into a left/right thing. I know, you just can’t help it, when you see a black face you go berzerk.
Racist, much?