Any Republicans entertaining ideas of going along with any Democrat ban should realize that they’re being played by the Democrats and the media, again. First, this administration perpetrated Fast and Furious and has never come clean about that. Obama asserted executive privilege to keep it covered up.
Rather than banning anything from law-abiding citizens, Republicans should first adopt the bipartisan Bill Clinton-NRA position and advocate for more security in schools. They should also take a look at how violent criminals get on the revolving door in and out of prison. One armed security officer could well have stopped the Newtown killer. If William Spangler, who had served 17 years for bludgeoning his grandmother to death with a hammer before getting released back onto an unsuspecting peaceful population, had been put away for life as he should have been, he would never have been free enough to obtain any firearms or kill anyone. Those firefighters would be alive today. Leftist lenience on crime has as much to do with Spangler’s crimes as anything else does. Leftist gun control policies govern America’s most violent cities. Do Democrats want all of America to become as violent as Chicago? Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but that’s where their policies tend to lead.
Republicans should realize that caving in to the Democrats’ ban demand amounts to party suicide. By that point they have have already caved on tax hikes and may have taken part in slashing our national defense. If they also cave on the Second Amendment, what’s left for them to stand on?
Here is my initial thought in response to the idea that there are Republicans in the party who either are in positions of power – or are in position to influence those in positions of power – who would chase after the democrats on new gun control laws.
That thought is this: What will be the name of the new political party that replaces the Republican party?
On the other hand, my SECOND thought is that this is a very deliberate leak intended to accomplish some purpose.
That purpose could be to get the rank and file in line – either to back or oppose new gun control laws.
Or it could be a trial balloon by some policy wonk to see what kind of reaction it gets. Is there a groundswell of opposition – or of support – for gun control among the leadership (the peons who do the heavy lifting during election times don’t matter, ya know…)?
Or is it a way of telegraphing that leadership in the party notes the key points (laws didn’t stop the killers from stealing or obtaining guns illegally), but that there are unnamed ‘others’ in the party who are shaky on the subject…..and is this leaked email a way to apply pressure in general on the entire party to hold the line against the democrats?
Inquiring minds want to know, and I can’t help feeling that something here is not what it seems….
HERE are the talking points to pass along to your congressman:
Larry Correia refutes the gun controllers once and for all!
You wondered what the name of the party that replaces the Republican Party will be? America’s Party.
Instead, they need to propose a national must-issue carry law and require that all gun-free zones have armed security present.
Exactly. If indeed “we’ve got to do something,” this is something that would actually be a change for the better.
If they had half the brains and/or half the balls of the Democrats they would’ve done this ten years ago. Look what the Democrats have done in a mere four years by ruthlessly pursuing their agenda, and two of those years they didn’t control the House.
Republicans had a unified government for six freaking years and what do we have to show for it? Where’s our national CCW law? Where’s entitlement reform? When did we disband the EPA and Department of Education? Where is one, single, meaningful change the Republicans enacted? Nowhere, that’s where.
I don’t really see any reason to support them anymore, especially if they give one inch on 2A rights.
After the fiscal insanity of the last 12 years and the way they essentially took dives in the last two presidential elections the ONLY remaining reason to support the Republicans at all was as a bulwark for 2A rights. If they cave on this, after everything else, then what’s the point of them existing as a party?
Will it take 20 years to get a new political party organized able to compete with the Democrats? Maybe. But that just means we’d better get started ASAP.
Will it take 20 years to get a new political party organized able to compete with the Democrats? Maybe. But that just means we’d better get started ASAP.
I agree. We can’t wait until 2016 to get started. How about now?
“Will it take 20 years to get a new political party organized able to compete with the Democrats? Maybe. But that just means we’d better get started ASAP.”
No, we keep adding to the Tea Party Caucus in the GOP until we own the party. The Right controls the nominating process. Continue the purge, put up better candidates, learn to sell Constitutional Government as the cure for what ails us. We have had successes but can do better.
The RINOs are still useful because they occupy seats that otherwise would be filled with Democrats. Replace them where we can and gain the majority in the GOP Caucus, which will put us in charge of the agenda and party advertising budget.
Right now we have to be letting our GOP representatives that caving on the 2nd is asking for a Tea Party primary challenge. Let them know we are paying attention to how they vote and won’t forget in 14, or 16, or 18 or how ever long it takes to replace them. A RINO who votes our way because he is afraid he will lose his seat is a useful idiot on our team. That’s way better than a Democrat idiot in that seat.
I think you have it nailed down! 2010 the tea party won several seats in congress and even more across the states. 2012 they lost congressional seats. 2014 will lose even more across the states and in congress. 2016 will lose still more across the states and in congress. Actually, and far more seriously, I think Felix and Miller above have the right solution. Get started now forming an official tea party to run candidates from and abandoned the GOP as quickly as possible!
@Zeke:
“I think you have it nailed down! 2010 the tea party won several seats in congress and even more across the states.”
Tea Party candidates won over 50 seats in 10 and held all but 3 in 12. We got rid of a lot of RINOS and replaced them with believers in the US Constitution. A good start. We only need to get to about 120 and we control the GOP. We also won a lot of seats in lower levels of government where much of the real power is.
We need to learn from the New Left. They were a minority of Democrats, but by sticking together they took over the party during the crisis of the 60s. That gave them the power to start changing America in to their Stalinist utopia. We need to take over the GOP, it is the short route to gaining the same type of power, so we can change it back.
“Get started now forming an official tea party to run candidates from and abandoned the GOP as quickly as possible!”
I call agitprop.
A third party simply divides the non-Democrat vote and insures their permanent majority.
Much better to take over the GOP and turn it into the party of the people pulling the wagon.
Where have the Republicans been on Fast and Furious? Grassley and Issa have had zero results in putting a stop to the dumping of illegal guns by our Attorney General’s organization, that has lead to hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens being slaughtered.
Every single Republican should tell their Democratic colleagues and the media that if we really want to do something about illegal assault weapons, let’s put Eric Holder in prison. Start by cleaning our own house. Until then, you’re not serious about stopping the problem. Please get back to us when you decide to care about the brown babies as much as the white ones that have been killed.
Until we punish those who break the gun laws on the books (including journalists brandishing extremely dangerous high capacity magazines), you have no right to demand more laws be passed. President Obama and the DoJ refuses to enforce the ones on the books.
And yes, any Republican that strays the path and embraces more laws that ultimately are meaningless in stopping the lawless, may you be reminded: the Tea Party will ensure you are defeated in your primary, regardless of what that means in the general election. We can and will ensure you will no longer be in politics. Stand with us and our Constitution’s principles of limited government and we will prevail.
Let’s not forget Benghazi ahd Obama’s murder of Ambassdor Stevens. Benghazi was (and still is) a gun running operation for the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. Just as Obama and Holder are supplying assault weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico and Chicago, Obama and Panetta are running assault weapons to al Qaeda our declared enemy.
This, of course, ignores the other 44 impeachable offenses of Obama. Nobody is going to do anything about them because it would be R-A-C-I-S-T to defend our Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic – an oath Obama broke years before becoming President.
Thanks to voter fraud on an industrial scale, and a GOP who look and act more like Democrats, Obama stole the 2012 election by a margin of 333,000 well-placed votes.
What do you do about an executive branch run like the Mafia? With a judicial system like that of the Roaring Twenties when it was cheaper to buy a judge than to hire a lawyer. And, then there is Congress filled with 535 people who mostly sit on their asses thinking about their next election.
I’m done with the GOP. I want to be a part of a new conservative party that actually respects its military who, in turn, respect and obey the Constitution.
If their are military personnel whose loyalty is to a person who thinks he is above the law and the Constitution, then they have forsaken their oath. Hopefully, they are far and few between.
When the person above the law ordrs the military to start killing fellow Americans, will they obey him or their sacred oath to America?
Remember Nuremburg? “I was just following orders” does not work any more. Our rights were given to us by God, not the government, and it is the job of the military to help us protect those rights, and not help a despot destroy them.
The political winds have taken the ugliest turn possible and we know were the “Leader of the Not-So-Free world” stands.
If I were a betting man, I’d put my money on the military standing with the American flag and the American people against tyranny.
Let’s hope I’m right
If they do this, the Republican Party will not survive, nor should it.
If do this there will be resistance; armed resistance.
Molon Labe.
As is said, they aren’t called the “stupid party” for no reason.
No, the way back is through the States. The Republicans at the federal level look too much like Democrats. They have absolutely no credibility and no backbone. How much longer are we going to take the lying, the duplicity, the promises, and the pledges to Grover Norquist? Anytime a conservate gets any where near power, they throw them off their committee assignments and marginalize them. Why? Because the Republicans aren’t interested in conservatism or the Constitution, as written. GWB nominated the vile John Roberts to the Court. Why? probably to cement liberal polcies into place. It has to be so, because in spite of 8 years of Republican rule, we have no conservative policies to show for it. No cutting down the bureaucracy, no unfunding of ACORN, FEMA, Fannie, or Freddie. Nothing, nada, nil, no where, no how.
Its time to stop playing their game of let’s pretend we’re conservative. They’re not.
Let’s elect republicans in the light red and purple states to governorships and state legislatures. The places where people are fed up with the federal government are the States as they have to live under its rules and regulations.
The Republicans in Washington are part of the “ruling class” and its duopoly. Its time to write them off and work around them.
+1
Bryan, it gives me hope that you realize that the GOP is in major trouble because of their current and recent political positions. I think that it is time for conservatives to declare their independence from the GOP.
I did just that on Nov. 7, 2012. We tried, but this GOP simply won’t be the vehicle to counter big-state progressivism and the “fundamental transformation” of a free country into a system that was discarded by Russia and China years ago.
In fact, the principle obstacle to shrinking government, growing the private sector and civil society, lower taxes, and renewed adherence to the Constitution is the GOP, not the Democrats. We know where the Democrats are coming from. Now, it’s clear where the GOP is coming from. Their basic function the past four years has been to keep conservatism at bay, not to embrace it. Republican conservatives have been hopeful enough to work with the GOP, but not after an election the Republicans had no business losing.
Our system still works. Really. Working toward limited government and greater liberty is possible by working within the electoral process, and putting up a fight at the ballot box. As for a third party, it will have to advance with a cold, ruthless eye trained on the media, and every action designed in accordance with that reality.
“Our system still works. Really. ”
You are delusional. This is a one way trip downhill fast. You are out of time.
Obama will show you the error of your thoughts in the next week, when he proposes enough trash to start a civil war. He will kick your ideas to the shreds YOU should already see.
I have one bit of advice for those unprepared, buy rice & beans in 50 pound bags. buy large bags of sodium salt and potasuim salt.
Buy a hiking ceramic water filter with a hand pump. MOVE OUT OF THE CITY.
If you stay in the cities, you stand a big chance of not surviving the next two years.
What’s left for them to stand on?
A chair.
You certainly should be able to find a loftier branch… especially for the taller Republicans.
Member of the House, or Senator, is a sweet gig, and going along with gun control would be career suicide for many, so I’m not buying it just yet.
Of course, I acknowledge that Republican voters ought to be used to the feeling of knives entering their backs by now.
Senators get paid for life, unless impeached. Fail.
Glenn Reynolds asked if the GOP caves on gun-control, after doing so on spending and taxes, what is left for them to stand on?
Here is my response:
“…If they also cave on the Second Amendment, what’s left for them to stand on?”
Probably an orange crate, just before it’s kicked out from underneath them.
Treason does call for Capital Punishment!
The Big Government party has two faces: the Republican party and the Democratic party. America desperately needs a second party.
Exactly my point. And don’t forget the cream in the middle of that Oreo: the mainstream media.
I agree! Start with the tea party taking over as many states governments as possible. Then and only then can effecting a smaller federal government begin to take place. The tea party states can then refuse ALL federal funding of any kinds. Imagine if every state did this, how much smaller the fed house would become and how fast federal spending would be cut. Of course, taxes would still have to be payed to the feds to pay down that gross national debt incurred by todays generations.
“to pay down that debt”…
WHY?
The mass media has two effects on politics. 1) They misinform the pubic giving liberals an advantage in elections. 2) They intimidate conservative officials (in the house and senate and even on the supreme in particular, but also everywhere else too) and make them afraid to stand up for the principles they were elected on.
The republicans need to solve both these problems if they want to succeed.
If the Republicans go along with this, it is pure suicide. They are being set-up and seem to be too stupid to not take the bait.
They are being set up, all right. And yes, it is suicide. But the problem is that before we can gather ’round a new party, they will pick us off one by one in the chaos that will follow the Republican demise. This country is about to become a one-party state. And all this tripe about America desperately needing a second party is nothing but the Paul People blowing hot air.
The U.S. already is a one-party state in all but name, and has been quite some while. I don’t doubt pleny of Ron Paul supporters would support a second, principled main party; by far the largest number of members, however, would be conservatives and former middle of the road Republicans who’ve been abandoned by their party much as Reagan was by the Democratic party.
The terms “tripe” and “hot air,” incidentally, aren’t the most persuasive.
The republican party is already wounded, and limping.
If they turn their backs on us, gun owners will finish them off. We will vote third party is we aren’t dead or in jail post-ban ANYTHING.
Color me skeptical on that “correspondence”. It’s practically 2013 and if it weren’t for the colored text, that copy looks went through a xerox machine several times in the late 70s.
I’m sure there are some squishy Republicans considering more gun control measures and consequently praise from the media, so even if the correspondence were verifiably true it’s not really shocking.
Right. Check out the line that says “Sent from my late ’70s iPhone.”
Well either I wasn’t very clear or you’re an idiot. I’ll assume both.
What makes it so preposterous is that it looks like it came from the 70s when it obviously couldn’t have. As if people can’t copy/paste, forward, or take screenshots in 2012. Nope; print it out, throw it in a color copier slightly askew, then make copies of the copy. Now just put it back in electronic form and we’re cookin.
Quislings… any cooperation w/ Democrats on this is a loss and kiss-up behavior, keep the magazines out of this (there ban wouldn’t have affected the Newtown shooting, as the e-mail admits).
The Republicans had their 6 years of controlling Congress to perfect that art. They spent all 6 of those years licking Ted Kennedy’s feet until the day he died. Just look back over those years and see how often the Republicans let him write legislation or, if they actually wrote it, they ran to him like kindergarteners rushing to show teacher their latest finger painting job. It was disgusting.
It’s been said for generations that there was very little difference between the Republicans and Democrats. That was true back in the day when it was said and more true now. Both parties are heading for the same goal of massive and intrusive government, the difference is speed and method. The Democrats want to get there fast by screaming equality and handouts. The Republicans are going more slowly and under the rubric of security.
With the 2nd, the Democrats are simply howling up an emotional frenzy, something that works because the public schools they control haven’t taught generations of people how to think while their media teaches emotion and drama above all. The Republicans will play up the safety angle, even though all the statistics show that more guns equal less crime.
But then I think both sides realize this. They know that taking away guns will mean more crime. Rather than giving guns back when crime explodes they will do like England and other nations and tighten the police state even more with cameras everywhere and tracking everyone all the time. It won’t do a think to stop crime but it certainly will give them lots of power.
Already caving? You kidding? They just passed tax increases in the Senate without cutting spending. When your taxes increase this year and next, what are you going to have left to buy ammunition? Let your kids starve instead? And the GOP prostiticians can protest all the way to the bank that they support the Second Amendment, while destroying your economic freedom and saying “that’s different.” And they make about $170k plus annually for selling us out. Plus an expense account. Plus a team of assistants who can make over $150k themselves. We’re already in a one party system: the Politboro Party.
Agitprop. Psyops warfare, intended to sow doubt and fear in the ranks of Second Amendment acolytes.
Before going off the “deep end” over Gun Control….Let’s review the facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQqX-JfsEoA&feature=player_embedded
Enough said!!!Amen.Pray.
That the GOP would just roll over and agree to concessions leaves me with a vile taste in my mouth. The gun control side wants something from us, and doesn’t have to power to get it. It would be foolish not to demand a ton of concessions. Things that would remove hassle. So let me give you some ideas on what i want.
1. Deregulate suppressors.
2. Online sales of firearms in and across state lines. Background checks occur at point of sale. Item shipped to my doorstep just like Civilian Marksmanship Program.
3. CCW nationwide. No federal standard. Set by home state.
4. All firearm training to be considered tax free and tax deductible.
5. All ammunition and firearm purchases to be tax free and tax deductible.
6. All DROS, background checks will be done on the NCIS system. whatever subsequent background checks, and other requirements by states will be dropped.
7. Gun stores and FFL’s will receive tax exempt status just like churches.
8. The machine-gun registry will be opened. The Hughes amendment wasn’t passed properly anyway.
9. Liability protection – Any citizen who stops an active shooter is protected from being sued from the nut job’s family/spouse.
10. Sensitive places as defined by the Heller decision will only include places secured by metal detectors. If its not secure, I get to carry inside. If its not secure, a teacher can carry if they want to.
11. Remove gun free zones.
Really the list is endless. Even if some of the ideas above are ludicrous, the GOP should not be giving items even as small as magazine capacity away for free.
Unlike the fiscall cliff, where the results of doing nothing (a huge tax hike) was as bad or worse for repubs than any likely deal (a somewhat smaller tax hike), there is no bad result here for doing nothing on gun control, other than dems complaining about nothing being done. Any repubs that gives away our gun rights under those circumstances, deserves to be repudiated by all conservatives. When the alternative to doing nothing is bad, compromise may be necesary, but when the status quo is fine (as it is for gun rights now) any repub willing to compromise away our freedoms is a complete fool. Mind you, I think the repubs shouold allow a vote on this, just make sure they all vote no, and see how many dems vote yes, so we can use the issue against them. Unlike tax hikes on the rich, gun control is not something the general public likes and is clammoring for, it is a leftist overeach, and we should punish them for it.