After an exchange about Columbine and Virginia Tech, LaPierre said, “I don’t understand why you can’t just for a minute imagine that when that horrible monster tried to shoot his way into Sandy Hook school, that if a good guy with a gun had been there, he might have been able to stop him.”

“I’m just trying to test your views here, Mr. LaPierre, about how it would actually work,” the host responded.

“…Here’s a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 bullets. Now, isn’t it possible that if we got rid of these, if we replaced them and said well, you can only have a magazine that carries five bullets or ten bullets, isn’t it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?” Gregory continued.

“I don’t believe that’s going to make one difference. There are so many different ways to evade that even if you had that. You had that for 10 years when Dianne Feinstein passed that ban in ’94. It was on the books. Columbine occurred right in the middle of it. It didn’t make any difference,” LaPierre said.  “…There are so many different ways [Adam Lanza] could done it and — there’s endless amount of ways a monster can do it.”

“We have a mental health system in this country that has completely and totally collapsed. We have no national database of these lunatics.”

The NRA leader remained firm against calls in Washington to close gun-show loopholes.

“What the anti-2nd Amendment movement wants to do is put every gun sale in the country under the thumb of the federal government. Congress debated this at length,” LaPierre said. “They said if you’re a hobbyist or collector, someone in West Virginia, a hunter, wants to sell the gun to another hunter, they ought to be able to do it without being under the thumb of the federal government.”

“And you know the biggest hole? I’ll tell you the biggest single hole in it right now,” he added. “If you’re a felon and you walk into a gun store and you try to buy a gun and they go, oh, you’re a felon and we’re going to turn you down, they let you walk out and they don’t prosecute you.”

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