Opponents dismiss comparisons between voting and the many other instances in modern life where you have to have a photo ID because they say you are not exercising a constitutional right when you are cashing a check, buying a beer, checking into a hotel, or boarding an airplane (although the civil rights movement was based on asserting a constitutional right to public accommodation such as hotels and public transportation).
In any event, you are exercising a constitutional right when you try to enter a government building such as the Department of Justice headquarters in Washington, D.C, to “petition the Government for a redress of grievances,” or try to enter a federal courthouse to access the judicial system authorized in Art. III of the Constitution.
Opponents of the Pennsylvania voter ID would likely agree with the Supreme Court’s holding in Loving v. Virginia (1967), which overturned the state’s law against interracial marriage because marriage is a basic civil right protected by the Constitution. Yet the ACLU has not sued Philadelphia over its requirement that anyone applying for a marriage license provide “a CURRENT, VALID PHOTO I.D.” In fact, Philadelphia requires a second form of ID that reflects an applicant’s Social Security number. So the ID requirements for a marriage license are stricter than Pennsylvania’s new voter ID requirement.
Much is also being made of Pennsylvania’s stipulation filed in the ACLU lawsuit that there have been “no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud.” As the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals said when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, “without requiring a photo ID, there is little if any chance of preventing” this type of voter fraud. The “absence of prosecutions is explained by the endemic underenforcement” of voter fraud cases and “the extreme difficulty of apprehending a voter impersonator.”
But opponents are also making the mistake of assuming that voter ID can only prevent impersonation fraud. It can also deter voting by individuals registered in more than one state, voting by illegal aliens, and voting under false registrations. We certainly have seen evidence of some of those types of fraud in Pennsylvania. Even before the numerous problems caused by the submission of fraudulent voter registration forms by ACORN, the Justice Department prosecuted a massive voter fraud conspiracy in the 1970s in Philadelphia involving false voter registrations that were used to cast bogus votes.
In U.S. v. Cianciulli, 482 F.Supp. 585 (E.D. PA. 1979), the Justice Department prosecuted criminal conduct committed by “25 defendants and approximately 15 unindicted actors through … falsely registering to become eligible to vote in federal elections” by giving “false addresses and false periods of residence” in the first ward in Philadelphia.
The defendant who benefited from the bogus votes cast (and who provided the name for the reported decision) was Matthew Cianciulli, the state representative for the 183rd district. Five of the six defendants were found guilty on 19 counts and the remaining 17 defendants awaiting trials pleaded guilty. Many of the defendants “had never lived in, and in many cases had never set foot in, the residences listed on the registration forms” but fraudulently voted in elections.
Typical of the fraud was one couple, the Middletons, who “voted twice, once here and once in New Jersey, same election, registered twice, no problem.” Having to produce a Pennsylvania driver’s license with the actual address could have prevented the voter fraud committed in this case by false registrations and registrations in more than one state.
If the ACLU, etc. were really concerned about the folks who can’t afford IDs, they’d slip those folks the cash to get their IDs instead of paying lawyers for these suits. It would be cheaper, and less likely to lead to the suspicion that their real concern is protecting vote fraud.
Protecting vote fraud?; don’t you mean ‘sanctioning’ it, countenancing it? Enabling it?
I think the word you’re groping for is “promoting.”
It blows my mind that the mayor of Philadelphia has the nerve to insist there is no voter fraud in PA. Doesn’t he know anything about the history of his own city? Talk about corruption, geez. Voter fraud may be the LEAST corrupt thing going on there.
It’s up to the courts to decide whether this lawsuit is “unfounded.” The judge, by the way, is a Republican. but his record is non-partisan and he’s hardly a “liberal activist.” The State Supreme Court is evenly divided 3-3, Democrat versus Republican. If they split along those lines, which I think is doubtful on an issue of this importance, the ruling of the lower court judge will stand. For those who don’t know, the basis of the case is the election provision of the Pennsylvania Constitution: “Elections shall be free and equal; and no power, civil or military, shall at any time interfere to prevent the free exercise of the right of suffrage.” Whether Indiana’s law is more restrictive than Pennsylvania’s is open to debate, but it’s not relevant. The Indiana case was brought under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, and the Pennsylvania case under the state constitution. As for fraud, neither Indiana nor Pennsylvania had any cases of in-person voter fraud to point to. Obviously, considering how involved all this is, it’s as ill-advised to second guess the courts as it is to declare the ACLU’s case “unfounded.”
I find it curious that those opposed to strict voter registration and ID laws always run in the same pack with the Democrats. They would have me believe their oppostion is grounded in high minded Constitutional ideals. Methinks they doth protest far too much.
Old School: I find it curious that of the 30 or so laws of this nature only one was passed by a Democratic-controlled legislature (Rhode Island). It’s equally curious that conservatives, especially those on the far right, cry the Constitution is being trampled on at every turn, but turn a blind eye whenever an action suits their objectives. Even more curious is that when the courts rule against a conservative position, either the judges are declared activists or a constitutional amendment is proposed as a remedy. To be fair, all of this is part of human nature. But then again, only a liberal would make a concession to fairness and point that out.
I refer you to a new book by John Fund and Hans Von Spakovsky, “Who’s Counting: How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk”.
I don’t have to look east to know where the sun comes up and I know for a fact the Democrat political machines in big cities like Chicago and Cleveland are crooked as the proverbial dog’s hind leg. They are far from unique – in the rural South where I was raised the good ol’ boy Democrats had ways of making Cook County look tame. Vote buying before the election, ballot box stuffing during, and celebrate by donning sheets and burning a few crosses after.
I can’t attest to what goes on in Philadelphia, nor what happened in Harrisburg or my own community pre-1950. But what you describe in the South or Cook County has not been the practice in most parts of Pennsylvania. In fact, voter identification fraud hasn’t even been alleged. If there was some solid evidence here or elsewhere, for certain legislators would have presented “poster children” in pushing their bills through.
What is true is that the the voter ID law was promulgated nationwide not out of concern for the integrity of the ballot but for political advantage. The people funding these efforts are among those who support publications like The American Spectator, similar propaganda machines like the Heritage Foundation and “populist” movements like the tea party. I don’t need the liberal equivalent of any of these or a Rush Limbaugh to tell me that’s so. A lifetime of study and concern as well as some critical intelligence should suffice.
By the way, “old school” conservatives like Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater would be sickened by what’s happened to their party, and the movement they helped found.
Your contentions are completely untrue. The only reason (the ONLY reason) to oppose voter photo ID laws is to foster vote fraud. As to voter identification fraud not even being alleged, do you live under a rock? OF COURSE it’s been alleged, over and over, for years. It just hasn’t been investigated in the Democrat-controlled cities where it’s rampant. But even if we accept your specious claim that there hasn’t been any vote fraud, that’s absolutely no reason to preclude reasonable laws to keep future elections secure from fraud.
The current law is not reasonable, and that’s my primary reason for opposing it. The fact that these laws sprang from the minds and money of Republican strategists intent on defeating President Obama adds to that opposition. However, I would most certainly favor a law that requires everyone to have the same photo ID card and provides a system for obtaining one that doesn’t give a particular set of people a significant advantage over others. For example, the Pennsylvania law automatically sanctions people with driver’s licenses and thereby disadvantages everyone who doesn’t drive. Similarly, I also appreciate the state’s concern about wanting to prevent fraud, but condemn its disregard for people’s right to vote, as reflected in the horrendous job it has done in informing those whose rights are in jeopardy about what they need to do to vote this year. Visit the PA Voter and PennDOT websites, and for just one example, try to figure out what you need to do to obtain an absentee ballot if you don’t have a sanctioned photo ID. Then get back to me in an hour or two and try to tell me the Republican administration in our state gives a hoot.
As for in-person voter ID, I have not read nor heard of one case alleged or otherwise in my community during my 40 years as a voter. Both my father (Republican) and friends (both parties) have held offices here, and I’ve worked on campaigns ranging from city council and county commissioner to mayor and district attorney. The word “fraud” came up not once during that time. That’s exactly the number of cases Pennsylvania has evidence of. But if you gave me a choice between 10 cases of fraud and one voter being disenfranchised, I’d take the fraud. Our criminal justice system works the same way; that is, it holds that it’s better to let 10 criminals go free than to convict one innocent man. By contrast, under Pennsylvania’s law, one million or more people – both Democrats and Republicans, by the way – are automatically presumed guilty and must now prove they’re not, even though that’s exactly what they did when they originally registered.
John Herald is just trollin’. Claims like the idea that voter ID is somehow just to stop President Obama (despite the drive for voter ID having been around long before President O attained his first national office (which granted, wasn’t that long ago)) and that there have been no allegations of fraud, despite there being as much documentation of fraud as is possible when it is illegal to film people at the polls and when Democrats are protecting the franchise of the fictional and the dead are boilerplate for the “vote early, vote often” crowd.
Coming from Europe, I guess this is not really my fight (but when has that ever stopped me?).
None-the-less, voting for a president is a very serious thing. It requires thought, some political acumen and responsibility.
Throughout democracy, there have been restrictions on who voted: Household owners only (white men), not in prison etc.
Now any American adult can vote. Surely, producing an ID to show that you are an America adult is not asking too much?
Georgina, it is your fight for two reaons:
1. The person who leads the US has a major effect on all countries around the world; the US has a lot of weight to throw around when they want ot.
2. Under the current, non-ID rules, you could vote if you wanted to…