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B’rer Putin in the Briar, er, Bamboo Patch

April 30th, 2014 - 8:57 am

If I were playing Vladimir Putin’s side of the board, I would keep the Ukraine on a low boil rather than take overt military action. Russia’s influence in Ukraine’s military is enormous (every officer above the rank of major came up through the ranks of the Red Army), and Kiev now concedes that its security forces are “helpless” against a handful of pro-Russian gunmen occupying public buildings, because elements of the military and police are collaborating with “the Russians.” That is because they are Russians.

America policy towards Ukraine, as I wrote in the cited March 26 post, isn’t even wrong. It’s irrelevant.

Our Republican mainstream leaders are like blind men in a labyrinth clutching a thread. The thread is their ideology: they believe it will lead them to a glorious era of liberal democracy, which in their Natural Law/Natural Rights belief structure is the inevitable shape of the future. The thread has taken them over broken glass, dragon’s teeth and pitfalls; after the disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and the collapse of the Arab Spring, they are bruised and bleeding. But they clutch the thread all the tighter, because it is all they have to guide them. Without ideology they would be utterly lost in the welter of foreign tongues, customs and prejudices.

There is a crisis in Ukraine because the country imploded after twenty years of post-Communist kleptocracy. Everybody turned up at Maidan last year, from neo-fascist crazies to democratic idealists and threw out the democratically-elected president (who was not Moscow’s first choice in 2010; the Kremlin then preferred Yulia Timoshenko). Putin had offered to bail out Ukraine with nearly $20 billion of fresh money and forbearance on perhaps $20 billion of arrears for natural gas delivery. The Ukrainians didn’t want to affiliate with Moscow, and they also didn’t want to accept IMF aid if it meant the end of the subsidies that keep most Ukrainians warm and fed. Now the economy has shut down,  and the country owns $35 billion to Russia and will need yet another $15 billion this year to cover its current account deficit. That’s what the West bought into after Maidan.

Ukraine is not headed towards a glorious future of Western-style democracy. The best of its young people have emigrated. In Europe’s race towards demographic extinction Ukraine leads by six lengths. It now has per capital income of $3,300, barely above Egypt.  The West is not faced with another Hitler and another Sudetenland. Putin wants what Russia always has had, namely Crimea, and wants Ukraine as a buffer against NATO. If the West attempts to bring Ukraine into NATO, Russia will use force and split the country.  Why the West would want this basket case in NATO is a good question: as we just saw, the Kiev government can’t trust its own military and police. Why should we?

We should have proposed a federal solution to Ukraine before the Russians did. That’s what we will get, like it or not. Ukraine is not the issue; any discussion that begins with Ukraine is not even wrong, just irrelevant.

If we play our cards wrong, we could — as Francesco Sisci warns — undo everything that Nixon and Kissinger accomplished and help bring an unfriendly Eurasian bloc into being. I can’t think of a foreign policy more self-defeating since Napoleon III declared war on Prussia.

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I am not on the GWB blew it band wagon. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was geo-politically sound. That DoS and Dems were willing to sacrifice a good international position for internal grievance politics was not his fault, though I wish he would have fought harder and more publically.

The idea of introducing democracy and capitalism into the Mideast is not a bad idea in and of itself. Nowhere did I ever see (or hear, since I live in DC) anyone think it was the over riding concept or that it could be done in less than 2 or 3 generations, say the length of time we are in Germany. Mostly the Democracy for the ME idea was the cover, saleable to Wilsonian Libs, to allow the establishment of a strong geo-political base in the heart of the region. The idea ALWASYS required the next administration to be American first, and non-partisan. Obviously that ship sailed.

Any democracy that leaked into Iraq or the rest of the ME was icing on the cake.

Had BHO had even the most modest idea of the world and minimal loyalty to the United States, he could have forged a proper status of forces agreement that envisioned more strength in Iraq and less in Europe, with the net deployed US forces remaining constant. The SOF 'agreement' could (should) have been publically negotiated and privately dictated, as it has always been.

Finally, the idea of fighting wars and then coming home was dead and buried by 1922. Germany, Japan, Korea.

One armored division, one mechanized infantry division, one Marine BLT, a Naval station and an air base or two.

With that in place, let's revisit Syria.

Sorry, got to rambling there.
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29 weeks ago
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Cheap, plentiful energy makes for a robust economy and a foundation for growing a military. So we shut down electric plants and increase regulations on other energy to make it scarce and expensive. I need to learn to speak Mandarin.
29 weeks ago
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Under the Obama/Biden regime Canadian oil will now flow to China and Russian gas and oil will now flow to China. How brilliant these Ivy League boys are or how much money has been put into their bank accounts by the Chinese?
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An excellent and cogent link. Mirrors Kaplan's "The Revenge of Geography."
28 weeks ago
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If you read George Friedman's Next 100 Years, US is supposed to back Poland in a proxy war against Russia.
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My how the world turns. In the thirties it was the Hitler Stalin Mussolini and Tojo pact with the squeeze on China and Britain, etc. Japan got nuked and Germany was carpet bombed. Now it may be the German Russian Sino pact with the squeeze on Japan the US, Britain and India. Given the current American regime, those who don't have nukes will now nuke up.
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Actually, contrary to Goldman, the West IS "faced with another Hitler and another Sudetenland."

The nature of the threat is explained is the article linked below. Everyone should read it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372353/eurasianist-threat-robert-zubrin
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Please read some of the material at openrevolt.info to find out what Dugin actually believes, and tone down the propaganda. I can understand that with a name like Zubrin, you might have an old tribal grudge against Russians, but at least be honest about the roots of your Russia hatred. This goes for all the other neocons and Russia-haters who seem to have acquired vast influence over the American government.

Yes, this is a rather pointed comment, but promoting conflict with Russia is a deadly serious business, and in a democracy it's best if we bring people's real motives out into the open and let Americans decide whether they support yours, wouldn't you agree?
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And please note that Dugin is a strong supporter of conservative Judaism and the existence of Israel, which he views as a link to Traditional civilization and a ray of hope for mankind going forward. Calling him another Hitler is utterly ridiculous. Supporting Eurasianism and thinking that Karl Haushofer had some interesting ideas has nothing to do with Hitler. David Goldman likes Oswald Spengler, a far rightist, racist German with Nazi sympathies -- does that make Goldman a Nazi?
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What most people don't seem to get is that in order to have a successful planet wide 21st century--the price of energy has to go down by an order of magnitude and its ubiquity and availability have to go up by an order of magnitude. That is just as oil and electricity in the 20th century came on top of coal and steam in the19th century (and coal and steam in the 19th century came on top of wood and water wheels in the 18th century) so also does another cheaper/better/smarter energy source in the 21st century have to come on top of oil and electricity which are products of 20 century technology.

My favorite and the one most like to break out into a very public worldwide competition in the next couple years is lftr portable thorium reactors. But make no mistake. There are a half dozen - to a dozen other potential candidates in the running in various stages of development.
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In any case solar power is pretty much guaranteed to be below the price of cheapest natural gas/oil 10-15 years from now. Even the Saudis get that much. They also get that oil prices are cyclical--unlike the Russians. So in the future--they want use their oil for exports and not for internal consumption. They have committed to spending 110 billion dollars over the next 15 years on solar power..
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-22/saudi-arabia-plans-109-billion-boost-for-solar-power.html
Saudi Arabia, which is tapping renewable energy as a way to free more crude oil for export, is planning for $109 billion in investment to create a solar industry that generates a third of the nation’s electricity by 2032.

The world’s largest crude oil exporter targets 41,000 megawatts of solar capacity within two decades, according to the plan that was announced in May. Al-Suliman said 16,000 megawatt of that will be generated from photovoltaic panels. The rest comes from solar-thermal technology, which use mirrors to focus the sun’s rays on heating fluids that turns a power turbine.

Al-Suliman said that they want renewables and nuclear reactors to supply half of the Kingdom’s electricity in the coming two decades. Solar would supply a fifth of that energy.
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Cheap, plentiful energy makes for a robust economy and a foundation for growing a military.

That's coming but its ten years away. In 1980 oil was equivalent to about 106@ barrel in current dollars. Reagan took off price controls and eliiminate the excise profits tax in 1981. That knocked the price of oil down to $60@barrel in today's dollars. In 1985 he talked the saudis into increasing their production. That knocked the price of oil down to roughly $30@ barrel in 1989. That falling oil price bankrupted the soviet union and gave the USA a strong eonomy during the 1980's and 90's.

The same thing is going to happen ten years from now as fracking increases supply of oil and rising sales of natural gas trains trucks and buses and electric cars curb the demand for oiil
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" I can’t think of a foreign policy more self-defeating since Napoleon III declared war on Prussia."

ahahah

can't you make a post without referring to France?

I would rather say, since the Tanger German putch of 1905

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" ...since Napoleon III declared war on Prussia." Worked out pretty well for the Prussians even though they didn't put a Hohenzollern prince on the throne of Spain. And the crushing of the Paris Commune was the icing on that particular cake that the French would like to see erased from history.
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yet, the Prussians already showed their ability at forging fake telegrams to induce countries at declaring war the first so that they dddon't appear as the aggressors

the Zimmerman telegram anyone? that induced the US to come over Europe in WW1

oh and the hidden Bismarck goal then was to grab Alsace Lorraine, with the excuse of volkish revendication, but in reality he wanted to take the french iron mines that his new born industry needed badly, Germany had mainly coal then. And the Potash fields of alsace for his new agricultural program.

And the golden franc billions for initiating german banks that would concurrence the british ones, problem, these Germans were poor bankers soon, their mismanagement initiated a world depression, the 1873, and no more money was available then, even in France if he had wanted to remake a war
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Obviously it is funny to him
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In international relations, when a debtor nation was unable to pay, the creditor nation would land troops at a port and collect the tariffs to pay for the debt.

Ukraine owes lots to Russia. Ukraine should say Russia's seizure of Crimea pays for the Ukraine's debt to Russia and for free gas for 25 years.

Western leaders should on the same day urge Putin to retire and enjoy traveling among the world capitals while managing his personal fortune of 700 billion dollars.
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It is interesting that the anti-neo-cons make everything about the neocons. I never believed in Muslim nation-building, and wrote posts and articles to that effect. However. the fact that some Congressmen speak of Ukraine in simplistic terms does not really justify ignoring Russia and Putin's ambitions. I don't have to like Ukrainian nationalism to worry about those. I think David's articles on this topic are too glib.
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Neo-cons are Dems in Conservative clothing. They and the debate between them and their estranged cousins in the Dem movement are not all that.

This whole neo-con, anti neo-con discussion has little to do with anything other than to distract the public.

sigh
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