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America’s Problems in the Middle East Are Just Beginning

August 15th, 2013 - 7:45 am

America forgets that it corrected the flaw in its founding by killing 30 percent of Southern men of military age during its own Civil War, so many that the Confederate Army collapsed for lack of manpower. There are numerous wars which do not end until all the young men who want to fight to the death have had the opportunity to do so. And of all of history’s conflicts, none was so likely to end with this sort of demographic attrition as the present war in the Middle East. Compared to the young Arabs, Persians and Pakistanis of today, American Southerners of 1861 were models of middle-class rectitude, with the world’s highest living standards and bright prospects for the future. The Europeans of 1914 stood at the cusp of modernity; one only can imagine what they might have accomplished had they not committed mutual suicide in two World Wars.

Today’s Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims have grim future prospects. The world economy has left them behind, and they cannot catch up. Egypt was at the threshold of starvation and economic collapse when the military intervened, bringing in subsidies from the Gulf monarchies. The young men of the Middle East have less to lose, perhaps, than any generation in any country in modern times. As we observe in Syria, large numbers of them will fight to the death.

America cannot bear to think about its own Civil War because the wounds are too painful; in order to reunite the country after 1865, we concocted a myth of tragic fratricide. Wilsonian idealism was born of the South’s attempt to suppress its guilt for the war, I have argued in the past. That is an academic consideration now. America’s credibility in the Middle East, thanks to the delusions of both parties, is broken, and it cannot be repaired within the time frame required to forestall the next stage of violence. Egypt’s military and its Saudi backers are aghast at American stupidity. Israel is frustrated by America’s inability to understand that Egypt’s military is committed to upholding the peace treaty with Israel while the Muslim Brotherhood wants war. Both Israel and the Gulf States observe the utter fecklessness of Washington’s efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

The events of the past week have demonstrated that America’s allies in the Middle East from Israel to the Persian Gulf can trust no one in Washington — neither Barack Obama nor John McCain. Those of us in America who try to analyze events in the region will be the last to hear the news, and the value of our work will diminish over time.

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The insanity is on display everywhere in the world, including on both sides of the ideological divide in America.

When you go to war against anyone, especially against extreme cultures and nations...you must bomb Dresden into smoking ruins, or you cannot win the war. You must drop The Bomb on Hiroshima, or the price will be a Phyrrhic victory, at best. Just as in a personnal fight against an armed mugger, you must fight for your life and when your opponent goes down, makes sure he stays down, by whatever means are necessary...or you will simply die.

In the struggle against Muslim extremism and against extremist cultures overseas, we have, instead, as Republicans, conservatives, Democrats and liberals, abandoned most of The Constitution and denied most of our own right and freedoms, in the name of 'security.'

When you go to war, there are some enemies who must be utterly destroyed.

Americans no longer have the stomach to destroy their enemies. hell, they no longer have the stomach to fight for their own freedom. Both sides of the ideological divide in America keep electing and re-electing the people who take their freedoms from them. Then, you all pay those same politicians to take your freedoms from you, after you elect them to office. You're paying them to steal from you and to kill and imprison your family members, friends and neighbors. You're paying for their corruption, cronyism and nepotism.

None of this will change, until you, as American citizens, are willing to change.
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I apologize for annoying all the Readers and Authors with my never-changing comment:

the plans of this administration of internationalist subversives (in marxist lingo: "anti-imperialists") against America's might are going well.
That's all that is happening.
This administration does not make "mistakes": it has a plan against America's power and it carries it on without doubts, faults, or mistakes.
When we will understand this we will be able to build up an opposition to the subversives' plan.

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Our apartment is filled with the sounds of grandchildren chattering in Hebrew as my beautiful wife fills the house with the wonderful aromas of her pre-Shabbat cooking. In a few hours I will join the rest of my family in Beit Knesset as we welcome the Sabbath.
Obama, Netanyahu, The Iranian Mullahs and the European Union are all pawns in the Hands of The Almighty. We have survived worse and will continue to thrive.
Every day is a gift and, despite the worst intentions of many , we will continue to celebrate life.
We live in an age of miracles and only the willfully blind cannot see.
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A good thinning of the herd is certainly on the cards, and probably the only long-term solution. We blanch at anyone saying 'caedite eos' but forget that the Cathars stopped making a nuisance of themselves a long time back.
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Fill in the blank: Any nation stupid enough to pay Egypt 1.5 billion per year ________. Exactly what about our behavior could be a surprise after that?
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Everybody is saying how horrible it is that the Egyptian military is killing muslim brotherhood supporters, but as this article states some people need killing. My standard on evaluating a government is not whether they are killing or not, but whether they are killing the right people. Right now the Egyptian military is killing the right people, and I am happy to let them. Far cheaper to let them do it, than for us to eventually have to.
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Even though I consider the idea that "Wilsonian idealism was born of the South’s attempt to suppress its guilt" is utter nonsense, the second part of that paragraph hit the nail square on the head. We are watching US policy in the Middle East collapse to dust. America is being rejected by all parties in the region. This is consistent with the mega trend shift of world power from West to East. Far worse is to come as the West thrashes out in desperation.
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My first point is these problems are largely made by the west including America.
Rising food prices is one of the main drivers of unrest in the Middle East and this is directly as a result of the ethanol industry. Green madness has led to rising food and power prices worldwide.

My second point is that Obama never seems to have outgrown university politics. He refers to a "new way" of politics! Putin must be beside himself with rage that he is dealing with a child in one of the most powerful positions in the world.

Thirdly America's problems have not really begun because Islam is no real threat to America. Is it really possible that even if all the Middle East rose as one to defeat America that it would? Of course not, they do not have the weapons to worry America. The worse that could happen is tighter border controls.

Fourthly, the real threat to America is Russia or China. Only these superpowers could organise a land invasion of America, and could threaten America with existential defeat. And Obama is at the moment provoking Putin mightily by supporting Islamic radicals.

Fifthly, it appears increasingly unlikely that any country in the west could defend itself against an existential threat. Forget Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, they are chicken feed, offshore incidents. Could America or England or Europe defend itself from a truly existential threat to its existence? Probably not, these countries can't even stop illegal immigration. It is difficult to see the gay femi sex obsessed fatherless single mum generation rising to defend itself against anything..
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Your conceptions are way off base.

Islam has over taken powerful societies time and again in the past. It did so by targeting the control mechanisms: political assassinations. (Hence the term, it came from their gambit.)

They are also corrupting the political systems of the West -- particularly the Green movement.

Russia is done. She doesn't have the manpower to play it large. Just hanging on to Russia will fully occupy the talents of all Russians.

Red China's natural flow is to the the west, northwest and southwest; Asia at every turn.

A land invasion of America is to laugh.

BTW, the Mexicans beat them to it.

Muslim attacks do NOT take the form of Hitlerite tank divisions. Get over it.
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Blert makes some sense as usual, but is a little off:

As Abe Lincoln said in the 1830s, there will be no land invasion of the U.S. ever. We'll have to destroy ourselves and allow treasonous usurpers to invite in the Chinese or Mexican armies first. And the Chinese and Russians are too smart to have troops 4,000 miles from their supply lines.

China is not going to invade the icebox of Siberia, especially now that global cooling has started with a vengeance precluding sealift without icebreakers through the Arctic Ocean route. China sees a far more lucrative model of copying the U.S. rather than Japanese model of Empire where the empire is an archipelago of military bases backing economic control, rather than straight up conquest from Africa to South America.

But Blert is correct that Russia will never invade anyone again, unless grossly provoked as on 08/08/08. No manpower to occupy hostile territory over a protracted period, Afghanistan was their last imperial war. The slogan is 'Russia has no allies but her army and navy'. Russia can only opportunistically profit from Washington and Brussels blunders, like Cyprus where the 'Western' elites genuinely alienate large populations with their lawlessness. Thus the Russian 'sphere' will expand into places like Israel or Greece looking for a new great power patron after America implodes. China will do likewise in Asia, even to the point of Finlandizing Australia, so that the GCHQ/other Anglosphere networks were all in vain.
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Blert said "Muslim attacks do NOT take the form of Hitlerite tank divisions. Get over it."

Are you sure about that?

CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/?iref=obinsite
"Burning of books

A Bible Society of Egypt statement posted online Wednesday reported the "complete burning and destruction" of its bookshops in the cities of Assiut and Minia, in southern Egypt.

"Fortunately we were closed today, fearing such an attack, so none of our staff were injured," wrote Ramez Atallah, the society's general director. "The attackers demolished the metal doors protecting the bookshops, broke the store windows behind them and set the bookshops on fire.""

The Australian:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/egypts-copts-under-attack/story-e6frg71x-1226699508372

"In the past few days, about 50 Christian churches, monasteries and orphanages have been firebombed or looted by Muslim Brotherhood mobs. Dozens of homes and shops owned by Copts have been attacked or branded with a black "X". Amid such a discourse of hatred, al-Qa'ida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian, has stirred up passions, demanding retribution against the Copts for openly supporting the June 3 removal from power of Muslim Brotherhood president Mohammed Morsi."
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Egypt’s military and its Saudi backers are aghast at American stupidity.

Neither Obama nor Valerie Jarret are what you'd normally call "Americans", so let's not credit their stupidity for yours or mine.
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I think we need to look at what the great powers, particularly Britain, Did during the American Civil War.

During the 1860s Britain had a series of Land Wars in NZ, issues in South Africa, and various revolts and negotiations in India, where it had been forced to nationalize the British East India company and their regiments. They were stretched. Interfering in the USA would have been over reach.

The parallels with the current situation are obvious.

Egypt is going through a demographic endgame. Our energies should be around rescuing fellow believers from that.
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>> American Southerners of 1861 were models of middle-class rectitude, with the world’s highest living standards and bright prospects for the future.

Spengler, Spengler, Spengler. No, no, no. Look, they might not have been as bad as Yankee caricature, but surely this statement is pretty extreme nonetheless. The backwardness of Southern culture by any reasonable standard has been documented ad nauseum. For those who swallowed this nonsense

"Gouge and Bite, Pull Hair and Scratch: The Social Significance of Fighting in the Southern Backcountry" by Elliott J. Gorn

"Southern Honor: Ethicss and Behavior in the Old South" by Bertram Wyatt-Brown

The very worst thing that could have happened to the South would have been for the "peace faction" to win. Oh, right. You think that the war destroyed the South, rather than the decision to fight a war it couldn't win for reasons it would later deny. The South impoverished the South except for a few, and then the war destroyed the South. But make no mistake, the South was impoverished by the South.
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Mark, you are way off the mark. The truth lies between you and Spengler. Southerners just as Northerners were a range of peoples from white trash to virtuous men of honor. George Washington was a Virginian, Thomas Jefferson on and on...
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The author forgot to mention the day the Russian fleet is welcomed into it's new facilities in Egypt. The day Egypt buys huge amounts of Russian made weapons. Tourism is all but dead in Egypt. Just watch these fanatic Muslim Brotherhood crowds will attack, loot and destroy all of Egypt's ancient treasures.
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I've been reminding Spengler Putin's biggest strategic prize for his successor in the Middle East has always been Israel for some time. Israel is being wooed into the Eurasian Economic sphere already. On the day the dollar dies D.C.'s response will be 'et tu, Berlin and Jerusalem?' and the neocons, especially the Qatari funded ones, will be the last to know.
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By Israel as the prize, I mean above all the Russians want Israeli brains and technology, especially with energy, agriculture and military applications. The recently concluded Israeli contract with Gazprom for a bloc in Leviathian is a bonus.
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Hi Denver Bob Long time no see. I agree with you here. The only winning hand is to wake away from the table. Let them fight it out and let the Jihadis and the would be Basiji get it out of their system or die. No matter what we do there will be more blood flowing than than oil before it is over. Look for oil prices to dive as the national players pump more to pay for it all. Hat tip to David Goldman. Not exactly the quote I was looking for but close enough:
http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?p=140298#p140298
"Man does not live by bread alone, but man needs bread, and gets his bread through the exercise of reason. That may not occur to a country that lives as it were by miracle, that is, by allowing foreign engineers to pump oil out of the ground, such that none of its citizens actually work for a living."

As for Israel -- Just be cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqJmYJ2ol4
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