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Egypt Falls Back on the Military

July 1st, 2013 - 2:09 pm

This leaves the Obama administration in a bind. Obama and his appointees backed the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt from the beginning, and as late as last week urged moderation and dialogue on the opposition, which means supporting the status quo. This was not only inimical to American interests but downright stupid. Even Islamists have to eat, and the Muslim Brotherhood had no hope forestalling economic collapse.

Obama is all talk and no money, though: the administration cannot squeeze meaningful sums out of Congress for Egyptian aid. The only prospective rescuer with deep enough pockets to keep Egypt from disintegrating is Saudi Arabia, and Saudis almost certainly would make the suppression of the Brotherhood a condition for aid. Whether the Saudis will do so remains a matter of pure speculation. Unlike Turkey, whose huge foreign trade deficit the Saudis have helped cover with tens of billions of dollars of short-term loans, Egypt is no help against Iran, the Saudis’ major strategic worry. But the math says that this is the only scenario that would avert a humanitarian catastrophe in the short term. If the Obama administration cared about the condition of the Egyptian people, it would throw the Muslim Brotherhood under the bus and try its best to broker such a deal.

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Arm the Kurds.
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For reasons known only to Obama and his band of merry idiots they seem enamored with the MB.

In any case Obama cares not one whit about the fate of the people as a whole and instead pushes for MB control in Egypt - and elsewhere. One of Mubarak's old buddies is likely to be in control of Egypt once again. Nothing like repeating history. Is anyone surprised that the citizens of Egypt have rejected the yoke of islamic rule?
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Barry's comity with the MB is deep and of long standing.

Khalidi tapes, anyone?

Islamism = Islam + Communism

It's not an even split, Islamism is 30% Islam; 70% Communism/ Maoism

The opfor agitprop is laden with Communist cant. Such content is totally screened by the MSM -- they regard such economic and political beliefs as being unremarkable. So, they don't remark upon them.

Fish don't write much about water, either.

'Islam -- classic' is dead. Mo' didn't leave ANY economic model suitable for our times. There are simply not enough caravans to raid.

Since the core economic scheme for Mo' was war, deception and theft... it runs out of gas when bullets don't work.

The MB started out as a fringe of a fringe -- oriented against Western ideas of the rights of (wo)man. Wailing about their women didn't gain the MB much traction.

Then the Nazis bankrolled the MB. Both had the goal of ejecting Britain from Egypt. We've all seen spy movies about Muslims helping Rommel to get to Cairo. Left unsaid, is that ALL such players were in the MB/ on the Nazi 'pad.'

When Qtb returned from Colorado, USA, he grabbed the editor's chair for the MB propaganda magazine. He morphed anti-British tirades into anti-American tirades. He dropped the Nazis and picked up the Soviets. (Even radicals have to eat.) ...Eventually he was hanged by Nasser -- for high treason -- before his end he wrote the Islamic 'rules for radicals' that STILL guides the fanatics. Yes, the Soviets dropped him and his ilk and moved their bets to Nasser, the moment Nasser split with Ike. (The MB had actually supported Nasser's gambit -- until the falling out.)

The who's who of Islamic fanaticism hatched from the MB. Big Z started out as a member -- and then moved into his own orbit.

It's the Maoism/Marxism embedded within Islamism that has such a hold on Barry. The Muslim rituals are just a nice ethnic touch.

You could call it Creole Communism.

It's appeal to a mulatto president is profound.

41 weeks ago
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If the Obama administration cared about the condition of the Egyptian people, it would throw the Muslim Brotherhood under the bus and try its best to broker such a deal.

There's the problem right there: "If Obama cared ..."
41 weeks ago
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See also The Diplomad over at thediplomad.blogspot.com. He has some good stuff on Egypt much in line with yours.
41 weeks ago
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How do the military feel about keeping the peace with us (Israel)?
41 weeks ago
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My friend Lee Smith thinks Egypt might go to war with Israel. I doubt it. The Egyptian military knows better.
41 weeks ago
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It ought to be common knowledge: Egypt has no night fighting capabilities to speak of -- particularly in their air force.

What had been a decision at dawn June 1967 will now become a decision at dusk -- and wholly lopsided.
41 weeks ago
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Its not just the Egyptians who are ruled by fools and scoundrels.

"When I aided the foreign relations of presidential candidate and president-elect Vicente Fox back in 1999 and 2000, I met with almost 80 U.S. congressmen and senators during numerous trips and at several events. With just over 50 of them, my colleagues and I spoke about immigration in some depth, as it is one of the important bilateral topics. My findings were reported in a Backgrounder published by the Center for Immigration Studies called "Politics by Other Means."1 It is a dense and academic paper, but the basic finding was: Indeed, American politicians are overwhelmingly pro-immigration, for a variety of reasons, and they do not always admit this to their constituents. Of those 50 legislators, 45 were unambiguously pro-immigration, even asking us at times to "send more." This was true of both Democrats and Republicans."

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back706.html
41 weeks ago
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What's wrong with being pro-immigration?

Pro-lawbreaking, that's another story.
41 weeks ago
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So, let's play out the scenarios:

1) The military takes over and fails as badly as the MB. Or the MB stays and charge and keeps failing. Somalia on the Nile.
2) The military takes over and succeeds, but only at the cost of harsh controls. North Korea on the Nile.
3) The military takes over and is gently supported by Saudi Arabia. Bahrain on the Nile.
4) The military takes over and and launches a war against a neighbor as a distraction. Libya, Ethiopia, or Syria come to mind. Think WWII Germany on the Nile.

Bahrain onthe nile mioght be the best outcome, but none of these are good options, and the result would depend on the level of outside support and control. Unfortunately, by backing the MB, Obama has painted us in a corner, where we cannot easily switch support the military, and therefore have little say in the outcome.

You know, the Russians might always try and buy a client state....maybe pay Egypt to prevent the saudis from using them as a pawn against Syria and Iran? Or perhaps China looking to get into the big leagues? They love Africa.

The Saudis aren't the only player with a few chips left to bet.
41 weeks ago
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"North Korea on the Nile." Heh. As if.

With the Med to the north, Libya to the west, Sudan and the Indian Ocean to the south, and Israel, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia to the east, oh, and a shambolic Islamic dictatorship, does this really look like a proto-North Korea?
41 weeks ago
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With respect to the Russians, I am 99% certain that any 'aid' sent to Egypt would either be of the purely arms sort or symbolic. If the Russians wouldn't bail out their Orthodox brothers in Cyprus who enthusiastically held signs in Russian (for a relative pittance compared to the amount it would take to rescue Egypt) why throw good money after bad along the Nile?

A quasi democratic military coup with the support of all non-MBO parties is the only short term way out. With the emphasis on short term. Desalinization from the sea is the only alternative to depopulation or mass emigration (or a takeover of Libya to sell enough oil to feed the Egyptians) are the only alternatives. I happen to think if the Egyptians invaded Ethiopia they would find themselves humiliated just like the Italian invaders before. Particularly since their would be at least covert support from Russia (their Orthodox Christian brothers, remember, maybe not a lot of money but plenty of Dragunovs and anti-tank missiles, the same reason the Turks haven't dared invade Syria).

No, if Egypt goes on the march taking over the eastern Libyan oil fields seems to be the only desperate throw of the dice left.

41 weeks ago
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I think Libya is a likely target, but Ethiopia might go over better with the public. Remember, winning the fight is just a bonus, disposing of an excess population of angry, frustrated young men is the real goal.
40 weeks ago
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"I remember a movie. Which one? Planet of the Apes. The old version, not the new one. I still remember, this is the conclusion: When the big monkey, he was head of the supreme court, I think — in the movie! — and there was a big scientist working for him, cleaning things, has been chained there. And it was the planet of the apes after the destructive act of a big war, and atomic bombs and whatever in the movie. And the scientist was asking him to do something - this was 30 years ago: 'Don’t forget you are a monkey,' and 'Don’t ask me about this dirty work.' What did the big ape, (the monkey) say? He said, 'You’re human, you did it [to] yourself.' That’s the conclusion. Can we do something better for ourselves?" - President Morsi

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/152/74506/Egypt/Morsi,-one-year-on/In-his-own-words-President-Morsis-first-year-of-ke.aspx
41 weeks ago
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Thanks. Interesting article. Actually, his quotes don't seem bad at all. Social justice through private charity? Where did I hear that before?

All I care is , as a resident of the country bordering his on the north- will he attack us?
41 weeks ago
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Here we go again. Another military coup against a democratically elected government.
41 weeks ago
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f the Obama administration cared about the condition of the Egyptian people, it would throw the Muslim Brotherhood under the bus and try its best to broker such a deal."
Ha, that's a good one.

I think there are forces, in the shadows, working to undo the crap sandwich the imposter-in-chief has created in the Arab world.
Let us hope those forces do the same for this country. There are many wealthy anti- Soros's out there. Git er done.
41 weeks ago
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Did you hear the one that Morsi was behind the attack on Benghazi -- and
tried to kidnap Amb Stevens so that he could trade him for the blind sheik.
41 weeks ago
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