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		<title>By: misanthropicus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5891</link>
		<dc:creator>misanthropicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosenbaum, check Gillray&#039;s cartoon depicting the Congress of Vienna activities after the Waterloo battle - after that you can try a re-write of your solutionism thing - 

Pretty descriptions for ugly realities -yeah, &quot;solutionism&quot; what would the UN do without showing up to vote for resolutions, politicking, then again voting non-binding resolutions and plans, then promoting Somalia and Lybia in the Human Rights Watch, etc., etc -

Yet, photo-ops &amp; grins aside, promises and arrangements leaked to the press, the ugly reality is still, untameable there - the planet is too small for so many people, the resources are not enough for so many nations, and we have entered in the age of unsovable conflicts.
The djinn in out from the bottle - there is no way to stop Iran, because Ahmadinejad himself cannot control the local political strife caused by the cultural and social dynamics at work in Iran.

As another facet of this situation, is Obama who acted like a fool in giving the Russians what is not theirs in exchange for a hypothetical manifestation of an influence that they simply don&#039;t have over Iran - and here we are.

Again, Gillray&#039;s drawing illustrates well the today&#039;s UN activities -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosenbaum, check Gillray&#8217;s cartoon depicting the Congress of Vienna activities after the Waterloo battle &#8211; after that you can try a re-write of your solutionism thing &#8211; </p>
<p>Pretty descriptions for ugly realities -yeah, &#8220;solutionism&#8221; what would the UN do without showing up to vote for resolutions, politicking, then again voting non-binding resolutions and plans, then promoting Somalia and Lybia in the Human Rights Watch, etc., etc -</p>
<p>Yet, photo-ops &amp; grins aside, promises and arrangements leaked to the press, the ugly reality is still, untameable there &#8211; the planet is too small for so many people, the resources are not enough for so many nations, and we have entered in the age of unsovable conflicts.<br />
The djinn in out from the bottle &#8211; there is no way to stop Iran, because Ahmadinejad himself cannot control the local political strife caused by the cultural and social dynamics at work in Iran.</p>
<p>As another facet of this situation, is Obama who acted like a fool in giving the Russians what is not theirs in exchange for a hypothetical manifestation of an influence that they simply don&#8217;t have over Iran &#8211; and here we are.</p>
<p>Again, Gillray&#8217;s drawing illustrates well the today&#8217;s UN activities -</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5880</link>
		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poster at #15 pretending to be a Republican needs to go back to acting school and work on his character some more. 

Sorry, pal, but that was a pretty transparent effort.  All the snarky little DailyKos talking points are showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster at #15 pretending to be a Republican needs to go back to acting school and work on his character some more. </p>
<p>Sorry, pal, but that was a pretty transparent effort.  All the snarky little DailyKos talking points are showing.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5879</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re from New York, just keep saying to yourself Barack Obama=David Dinkins and Israel=Crown Heights and you&#039;ll get the idea where this is going over the next 3 1/2 years.

Obama, like Dinkins isn&#039;t bad as much as he&#039;s detached and fearful of challenging the more vocal parts of his base when it comes to their pet issues. And when it comes to foreign policy and the Middle East, there&#039;s a large part of his base that sees Israel as a bigger problem than the Palestinians in the Middle East. They&#039;re the ones who made the president&#039;s U.N. speech sound the way it does, and as long as most of the people who felt affronted by it vote Republican -- i.e. are not part of Obama&#039;s voting coalition -- he&#039;s not going to see the need to challenge his side on their anti-Israeli views.

Better just to let them have their say, even if they&#039;re having it through your mouth, and just kick the can down the road and hope nothing really bad happens between now and 2012 that suddenly forces you to choose between your pro-Palestinian supporters and Jewish voters who provided Obama with both their votes and major financial support last year, which is what happened with Dinkins after Crown Heights and was one of the reasons why he lost his mayoral rematch with Rudy Giuliani in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re from New York, just keep saying to yourself Barack Obama=David Dinkins and Israel=Crown Heights and you&#8217;ll get the idea where this is going over the next 3 1/2 years.</p>
<p>Obama, like Dinkins isn&#8217;t bad as much as he&#8217;s detached and fearful of challenging the more vocal parts of his base when it comes to their pet issues. And when it comes to foreign policy and the Middle East, there&#8217;s a large part of his base that sees Israel as a bigger problem than the Palestinians in the Middle East. They&#8217;re the ones who made the president&#8217;s U.N. speech sound the way it does, and as long as most of the people who felt affronted by it vote Republican &#8212; i.e. are not part of Obama&#8217;s voting coalition &#8212; he&#8217;s not going to see the need to challenge his side on their anti-Israeli views.</p>
<p>Better just to let them have their say, even if they&#8217;re having it through your mouth, and just kick the can down the road and hope nothing really bad happens between now and 2012 that suddenly forces you to choose between your pro-Palestinian supporters and Jewish voters who provided Obama with both their votes and major financial support last year, which is what happened with Dinkins after Crown Heights and was one of the reasons why he lost his mayoral rematch with Rudy Giuliani in 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: nobozons</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5877</link>
		<dc:creator>nobozons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only conclude that obama is insane.  When the government forces you to pay for something, it is a tax.  When the united states is at fault for freeing the Italians, Germans, French. English, Japanese, Filipinos, Panamanians and many smaller nations then how can it be guilty of the stupid chargers that obama accused it of. He must be insane!  How do we handle an insane president?  He has offended all of our allies and sucked up to all of our enemies. His insanity is ruinning our country. We need to have him committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only conclude that obama is insane.  When the government forces you to pay for something, it is a tax.  When the united states is at fault for freeing the Italians, Germans, French. English, Japanese, Filipinos, Panamanians and many smaller nations then how can it be guilty of the stupid chargers that obama accused it of. He must be insane!  How do we handle an insane president?  He has offended all of our allies and sucked up to all of our enemies. His insanity is ruinning our country. We need to have him committed.</p>
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		<title>By: *Obama at the UN, a collection of responses: &#171; The Quantum Conservative</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>*Obama at the UN, a collection of responses: &#171; The Quantum Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: charlie finch</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5875</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama was really a &quot;solutionist&quot; (awkward word, he&#039;s really a &quot;resolutionist&quot;, because he is always spouting rhetorical resolutions that he knows will go nowhere) he would grab Amedinajad by the mutty scruff of his dirty neck and toss him out of the room, rather than allow Susan Rice to issue a tepid scolding of Holocaust denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama was really a &#8220;solutionist&#8221; (awkward word, he&#8217;s really a &#8220;resolutionist&#8221;, because he is always spouting rhetorical resolutions that he knows will go nowhere) he would grab Amedinajad by the mutty scruff of his dirty neck and toss him out of the room, rather than allow Susan Rice to issue a tepid scolding of Holocaust denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael T</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5874</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama soldiers on in his naive efforts to make nice with the islamists. Did he walk out on Aminajiahad and the other clown from Libya as did Canada? I don&#039;t think so. This guy is going to beat even Jimmy the peanut as the worst ever US president</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama soldiers on in his naive efforts to make nice with the islamists. Did he walk out on Aminajiahad and the other clown from Libya as did Canada? I don&#8217;t think so. This guy is going to beat even Jimmy the peanut as the worst ever US president</p>
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		<title>By: One very embarrassed registered Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>One very embarrassed registered Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, my . . . sure are a lot of ranting yahoos on the comments section.

Actually Obama is an intelligent, reasonable, educated man pursing a rather centrist course.  (No single-payer for health care, no quick retreat from Iraq, etc.)

This after the great buffoon Bush managed to botch two wars, alienate the U.S. from the world and fail to catch Bin Laden.  This, yes, on top of having to nationalize the banks. (Have someone explain to you what socialism really is, yahoos.)

One can support Israel while having some real doubts about Netanyahu&#039;s course.  I certainly know many Israelis who think catering to the settlers is a disaster.

I keep it simple: your rage at Obama is not simply misplaced and out of line, it&#039;s telling. It says something about you.

The last seven years have been a debacle, an awful time for America.  The G.O.P. then nominated a man in his seventies and the least qualified, most risible vice-presidential candidate in our history.  

Ronsenbaum may be right that there are no clear cut &quot;solutions&quot;.  But Obama is clearly a huge improvement, this despite the sputtering venom he inspires in so many morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, my . . . sure are a lot of ranting yahoos on the comments section.</p>
<p>Actually Obama is an intelligent, reasonable, educated man pursing a rather centrist course.  (No single-payer for health care, no quick retreat from Iraq, etc.)</p>
<p>This after the great buffoon Bush managed to botch two wars, alienate the U.S. from the world and fail to catch Bin Laden.  This, yes, on top of having to nationalize the banks. (Have someone explain to you what socialism really is, yahoos.)</p>
<p>One can support Israel while having some real doubts about Netanyahu&#8217;s course.  I certainly know many Israelis who think catering to the settlers is a disaster.</p>
<p>I keep it simple: your rage at Obama is not simply misplaced and out of line, it&#8217;s telling. It says something about you.</p>
<p>The last seven years have been a debacle, an awful time for America.  The G.O.P. then nominated a man in his seventies and the least qualified, most risible vice-presidential candidate in our history.  </p>
<p>Ronsenbaum may be right that there are no clear cut &#8220;solutions&#8221;.  But Obama is clearly a huge improvement, this despite the sputtering venom he inspires in so many morons.</p>
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		<title>By: caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opting out of the Senate where she had a stage to promote her self-interest was a big mistakes. But the lady has made many big mistakes. Ignoring her choice of soulmate, she stumbled repeatedly while First Lady (Hillarycare, Great Right Wing Conspiracy in a pink outfit no less,etc)and throughout her Presidential campaign which was inept. Her penchant for dumb utterances (i.e. visiting war torn Eastern Europe under fire, namesake Edmund Hillary,etc). And she is devious and manipulative, but, then again, they all are. She&#039;s certainly a cut above Joe Biden, and probably would have made a decent centrist President. It was her misfortune to run against Obama, and ours too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opting out of the Senate where she had a stage to promote her self-interest was a big mistakes. But the lady has made many big mistakes. Ignoring her choice of soulmate, she stumbled repeatedly while First Lady (Hillarycare, Great Right Wing Conspiracy in a pink outfit no less,etc)and throughout her Presidential campaign which was inept. Her penchant for dumb utterances (i.e. visiting war torn Eastern Europe under fire, namesake Edmund Hillary,etc). And she is devious and manipulative, but, then again, they all are. She&#8217;s certainly a cut above Joe Biden, and probably would have made a decent centrist President. It was her misfortune to run against Obama, and ours too.</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/09/23/obama-and-solutionism-at-the-un/#comment-5867</link>
		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t get me wrong: it’s better to have a solutionist as president that a bitter misanthropic anti-solutionist like myself. But solutionists are optimists about human nature, despite the evidence in front of their eyes. I know every last shred of optimism about human nature I ever had was shredded ever further by my observation of commenter culture where the twisted face of hatred hides behind the cowardly mask of a screen name.&quot;

As a matter of fact, solutionists, as you call them, don&#039;t believe in human nature, they believe in social determinism. Anyone who accepts the Thucydidean idea of a human nature that transcends time and place is, like it or not, a conservative.

Perhaps your resistance to the idea you might be one of us at heart explains why you see bitterness and misanthropy as the only viable alternatives to our current President&#039;s increasingly feckless performance in foreign affairs. 

I humbly offer these observations for your consideration as evidence of my inherent hatred, racism, cowardice etc.

Regards -
Mary McLaughlin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t get me wrong: it’s better to have a solutionist as president that a bitter misanthropic anti-solutionist like myself. But solutionists are optimists about human nature, despite the evidence in front of their eyes. I know every last shred of optimism about human nature I ever had was shredded ever further by my observation of commenter culture where the twisted face of hatred hides behind the cowardly mask of a screen name.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, solutionists, as you call them, don&#8217;t believe in human nature, they believe in social determinism. Anyone who accepts the Thucydidean idea of a human nature that transcends time and place is, like it or not, a conservative.</p>
<p>Perhaps your resistance to the idea you might be one of us at heart explains why you see bitterness and misanthropy as the only viable alternatives to our current President&#8217;s increasingly feckless performance in foreign affairs. </p>
<p>I humbly offer these observations for your consideration as evidence of my inherent hatred, racism, cowardice etc.</p>
<p>Regards -<br />
Mary McLaughlin</p>
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