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		<title>By: Mike2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>63. charlie finch:

Seems you missed my whole point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>63. charlie finch:</p>
<p>Seems you missed my whole point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64 Huxley:
&quot;We recently passed the fifth anniversary of the 2003 heat wave that killed about 15,000 French people, most of them elderly:

he French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly&quot;

 Huh.

 Maybe if they weren&#039;t taxed so highly to afford the &quot;insufficient level&quot; of care they receive, they could have been able to buy air-conditioners...

 But this report is a harbinger of what socialized medicine will be like.

 The impoverishment of people so that they must forego such mundane and basic necessities to continued health like hot and cold running water,(necessary for kitchen sanitation and food hygiene, to say nothing of personal cleanliness), along with air-conditioning and heating, will be cast as a &quot;fault&quot; of &quot;insufficient medical care&quot; due, (naturally), to &quot;insufficient funding&quot;, which will cause taxational theft of even greater amounts of money from the people who least can afford it...leading to further astounding preventable mass deaths like the one in France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64 Huxley:<br />
&#8220;We recently passed the fifth anniversary of the 2003 heat wave that killed about 15,000 French people, most of them elderly:</p>
<p>he French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly&#8221;</p>
<p> Huh.</p>
<p> Maybe if they weren&#8217;t taxed so highly to afford the &#8220;insufficient level&#8221; of care they receive, they could have been able to buy air-conditioners&#8230;</p>
<p> But this report is a harbinger of what socialized medicine will be like.</p>
<p> The impoverishment of people so that they must forego such mundane and basic necessities to continued health like hot and cold running water,(necessary for kitchen sanitation and food hygiene, to say nothing of personal cleanliness), along with air-conditioning and heating, will be cast as a &#8220;fault&#8221; of &#8220;insufficient medical care&#8221; due, (naturally), to &#8220;insufficient funding&#8221;, which will cause taxational theft of even greater amounts of money from the people who least can afford it&#8230;leading to further astounding preventable mass deaths like the one in France.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64 Huxley:
&quot;charlie finch: More sputtering and ranting&quot;

 Y&#039;know, I thought the exact same thing when i read his latest.

 Amazing, when you consider the medium we&#039;re communicating in, how the indignant outrage of a denied pan-handler with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement came through so clearly, isn&#039;t it?

 No (more) money for you, charlie, hit the bricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64 Huxley:<br />
&#8220;charlie finch: More sputtering and ranting&#8221;</p>
<p> Y&#8217;know, I thought the exact same thing when i read his latest.</p>
<p> Amazing, when you consider the medium we&#8217;re communicating in, how the indignant outrage of a denied pan-handler with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement came through so clearly, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p> No (more) money for you, charlie, hit the bricks.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cannot take anyone seriously who whines that we need FREE anything. We should be FREE to buy whatever healthcare we want and can afford. We should be FREE to keep the vast majority of our private property (our wages from our labors). This free healthcare line is only spouted by the terminally stupid. You want 80% tax rates? That&#039;s what idiocy like this spread through the populace will get you. THIS is why we are throwing fits in town halls and at tea parties and will continue to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cannot take anyone seriously who whines that we need FREE anything. We should be FREE to buy whatever healthcare we want and can afford. We should be FREE to keep the vast majority of our private property (our wages from our labors). This free healthcare line is only spouted by the terminally stupid. You want 80% tax rates? That&#8217;s what idiocy like this spread through the populace will get you. THIS is why we are throwing fits in town halls and at tea parties and will continue to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charlie finch: More sputtering and ranting.

Modern medicine is enormously complex, hard work. I don&#039;t get your idea about how removing profits makes mistakes go away.

We recently passed the fifth anniversary of the 2003 heat wave that killed about 15,000 French people, most of them elderly:

&lt;i&gt;he French Parliament released a harshly worded &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charlie finch: More sputtering and ranting.</p>
<p>Modern medicine is enormously complex, hard work. I don&#8217;t get your idea about how removing profits makes mistakes go away.</p>
<p>We recently passed the fifth anniversary of the 2003 heat wave that killed about 15,000 French people, most of them elderly:</p>
<p><i>he French Parliament released a harshly worded <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm" rel="nofollow">report</a> blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.</i></p>
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		<title>By: charlie finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patient managed health care...how about criminal managed crime? or fan managed sports? or blogger managed journalism? or passenger managed planes? or animal managed zoos? or clown managed circuses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patient managed health care&#8230;how about criminal managed crime? or fan managed sports? or blogger managed journalism? or passenger managed planes? or animal managed zoos? or clown managed circuses?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49. charlie finch:

I don&#039;t agree with your premise that health care is a human right that should not be profit orientated but at least you made your points without ad hominem attacks and snide remarks this time. And yes, in my experience you are right about the fact that the patient and/or their family has to keep an eye out when they are in the hospital, even in the best of them. We are living in the day of patient managed health care much of which has been foisted on us by the legal profession, judges and mindless juries all using the system as a giant lottery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49. charlie finch:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your premise that health care is a human right that should not be profit orientated but at least you made your points without ad hominem attacks and snide remarks this time. And yes, in my experience you are right about the fact that the patient and/or their family has to keep an eye out when they are in the hospital, even in the best of them. We are living in the day of patient managed health care much of which has been foisted on us by the legal profession, judges and mindless juries all using the system as a giant lottery.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, in Canada and the UK, where they already &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; &quot;FREE national health care paid for by taxes&quot;, the results are just the opposite of what you infer.  Ted Kennedy, with his terminal glioma, would be given steroids and told to settle his affairs; your mom wouldn&#039;t get the repeated pallative treatments at all, and at least in the UK, if you paid for them the NHS would then bill you for all her other treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, in Canada and the UK, where they already <i>have</i> &#8220;FREE national health care paid for by taxes&#8221;, the results are just the opposite of what you infer.  Ted Kennedy, with his terminal glioma, would be given steroids and told to settle his affairs; your mom wouldn&#8217;t get the repeated pallative treatments at all, and at least in the UK, if you paid for them the NHS would then bill you for all her other treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;47. huxley: &quot;What is almost never mentioned in the current discussion of health care is how much astonishing progress medical science has made and how many more conditions can be treated.

Catch: All these wonderful medical treatments cost money. Sometimes lots and lots of money.

If the government were only trying to provide 1950-level health care: aspirin, penicillin, the occasional X-ray, splint and appendectomy (I exaggerate but you get the point), we wouldn’t be having this conversation.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I agree 100%. I wanted to make this point as well but decided my rambling went on far enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>47. huxley: &#8220;What is almost never mentioned in the current discussion of health care is how much astonishing progress medical science has made and how many more conditions can be treated.</p>
<p>Catch: All these wonderful medical treatments cost money. Sometimes lots and lots of money.</p>
<p>If the government were only trying to provide 1950-level health care: aspirin, penicillin, the occasional X-ray, splint and appendectomy (I exaggerate but you get the point), we wouldn’t be having this conversation.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I agree 100%. I wanted to make this point as well but decided my rambling went on far enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Rashputin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashputin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;HEALTH CARE IS A HUMAN RIGHT THAT SHOULD NOT BE PROFIT ORIENTED&quot;

 No, it is not.  If you will not shoot yourself to make available the funds it takes to care for you so that other humans can avoid starvation, don&#039;t claim it is a human right.  Their right to the bare minimum is greater than your right to elaborate care so you make make yourself out to be a liar or a nitwit by claimng something is a human right when it is not.  You may think it is your birthright as an American citizen, or that you think it is your right by virtue of your great value to society, but it is not a human right.  Freedom from ensavement would be a &quot;human right&quot; as well, wouldn&#039;t it?  Then give up the money your care costs so that Muslim slave traders who to this very day enslave Africans and sell them in the Near East can have their &quot;human right&quot; to not be enslaved.  I&#039;m sure that a fair and just panel of people would think that your problems are minor compared to starvation and enslavement, so, when can we expect you to give up your care as your service to humanity?

  If you really want only your, &quot;human rights&quot;, I suggest you leave the country at once and go to Bangkok.  Your organs may be worthwile to a human or two over there, otherwise you&#039;ll just slowly starve unless you find some way to make a living.  Those folks are human, and those folks are a hell of a lot more civil than many another places I could have recommended to you.  So, if you want to incorporate some right into our Constitution and claim it as your Civil Right under our Constitution, just get an amendment added to that Constitution and you&#039;re all set.  Otherwise, stop with the lie about it being a &quot;human&quot; right, history and reality both prove that to be pure bull.

  have a day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;HEALTH CARE IS A HUMAN RIGHT THAT SHOULD NOT BE PROFIT ORIENTED&#8221;</p>
<p> No, it is not.  If you will not shoot yourself to make available the funds it takes to care for you so that other humans can avoid starvation, don&#8217;t claim it is a human right.  Their right to the bare minimum is greater than your right to elaborate care so you make make yourself out to be a liar or a nitwit by claimng something is a human right when it is not.  You may think it is your birthright as an American citizen, or that you think it is your right by virtue of your great value to society, but it is not a human right.  Freedom from ensavement would be a &#8220;human right&#8221; as well, wouldn&#8217;t it?  Then give up the money your care costs so that Muslim slave traders who to this very day enslave Africans and sell them in the Near East can have their &#8220;human right&#8221; to not be enslaved.  I&#8217;m sure that a fair and just panel of people would think that your problems are minor compared to starvation and enslavement, so, when can we expect you to give up your care as your service to humanity?</p>
<p>  If you really want only your, &#8220;human rights&#8221;, I suggest you leave the country at once and go to Bangkok.  Your organs may be worthwile to a human or two over there, otherwise you&#8217;ll just slowly starve unless you find some way to make a living.  Those folks are human, and those folks are a hell of a lot more civil than many another places I could have recommended to you.  So, if you want to incorporate some right into our Constitution and claim it as your Civil Right under our Constitution, just get an amendment added to that Constitution and you&#8217;re all set.  Otherwise, stop with the lie about it being a &#8220;human&#8221; right, history and reality both prove that to be pure bull.</p>
<p>  have a day</p>
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