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Ron Radosh

The Continuing Edward Snowden Saga: The Traitor in Limbo

June 25th, 2013 - 11:53 am

More than likely, Snowden is carefully considering his options, waiting to travel until his various grants for asylum come through, and for friendly left-wing nations like Cuba and Venezuela to agree to let him fly there en route to his preferred nation of asylum, Ecuador. Or, perhaps he is still hoping Iceland comes through for him. If not, those of us concerned with his well-being can hope, of course, that Kim Jong Un will seize the opportunity and offer him asylum in the paradise of North Korea. Judging from that recent photo of pretend students sitting in front of computer screens but actually doing nothing, little Kim could put Snowden’s talents to very good use modernizing their hacking expertise.

Snowden, we now understand, is not a whistle-blower, a protector of our civil liberties, or a hero. He is instead an opponent of our country, and a man who violated oaths he took and actively tried to harm our nation’s security. He should be brought back to the United States, tried in a court of law by a jury of his peers, and face the consequences of his own actions.

Sadly, he is more than likely to sit out the rest of his life in one of those nations whose governments would like nothing more than to spit in the face of the United States. It is not the time, it seems, when the United States has the respect it once had elsewhere in the world.

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Snowden is not the first American to point out the illegalities of the NSA and other agencies. In fact many have tried to sound the alarm within these agencies to no avail, being stonewalled, ignored, or worse. Many tried to work within the system of government to bring illegal acts to light and were rebuffed.
What is shocking is acceptance of Americans to have an encompassing gathering of private information, and recorded for later review. The government has no right to reach into your daily lives, record your effects and review them without a specific warrant to do so.
People were afraid of their gun registrations being recorded ?, this is far worse many times over. This is your life being registered and recorded for use by whomever has access to your files ; NSA, CIA, Rand Corporation, many groups and corporations not accountable to the American Citizen.
Lets be clear, what NSA and other agencies are doing is Illegal and unconstitutional.
If the Citizens do not insist on Government obeying the Constitution, then this is no longer a Representative Republic. We have become sheep and no longer deserve to be called land of the free and home of the Brave.
42 weeks ago
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'He should be brought back to the United States, tried in a court of law by a jury of his peers, and face the consequences of his own actions.'

The sort of 'Fair Trial' George Zimmerman is receiving ?
42 weeks ago
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A) The Constitution defines treason against the US. Maybe you should read it before you misrepresent it.

B) Like the other commenters here, if I were to go down the list of people on the US payroll who are enemies of the United States, it would take me a long time to get to Edward Snowden, and not because his name begins with S.
42 weeks ago
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Snowden has definitely damaged the United States- by showing that one of our own does not trust our government or our court system to get a fair trial. They have already GREATLY overcharged him with the Espionage Act.
42 weeks ago
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"Snowden, we now understand, is not a whistle-blower, a protector of our civil liberties, or a hero. He is instead an opponent of our country,"

Nicely written but analysis? WHY is Snowden not a whistle blower? Because he revealed information to the Chicoms? Like they don't already know we hack, they hack, everywhere a hack- and not just the government. MOST of the Chinese hacking is from PRIVATE Chinese companies hacking us. They are going to beat us because they are more business friendly. Imagine! He only revealed enough to verify the data mining program so where is the treason?
42 weeks ago
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Whistleblowers do not leak classified information to enemies such as the Chinese. Did the guys who did the Clinton Chronicles resort to leaking national security matters to the Cubans, the Iraqis, or even the Russians when making the Clinton Chronicles? Not that I know, and they risked their jobs, their lives, even their families lives just to expose Clinton's heinous actions.
40 weeks ago
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It's people like Mr. Radosh, who are the real traitors.
42 weeks ago
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Yeah, verily Ceteris Paribus - popcorn. Even a geeky 70 yo like me has learned little new from Mr. Snowdon. More like confirmation. And the difference between Bush's surveillance and Obama's is almost entirely a function of Moore's law. And the amount of snooping under the next president will be a function of Moore's law. Unless we elect a libertarian - Rand Paul might just put the mockers on the NSA. The technology and our dysfunctional bureaucracy will continue to betray the constitution. It is worth remembering that Hoover wouldn't give Einstein a security clearance to work on the A-Bomb project Einstein had helped initiate by writing to FDR advising him to pursue it. But Klaus Fuchs passed muster and sang like a canary to Stalin. Hoover couldn't tell the difference between a communist and a social democrat just as our current bureaucrats are ruled by a political correctness with a different stink and can't tell the difference between, say the commenters here and the Tsaranev brothers.
42 weeks ago
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I know not what Snowden's motives are, nor whether he is a patriot or traitor.

In the grander scheme of things that question, and his fate, is of small importance.

What IS important is what he has revealed, and the foolish complacency of many who call themselves "conservative" and "patriot" and who yet support this illegal and extremely dangerous spying on American citizens.

All in the name of promised safety!
42 weeks ago
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It is amusing that pjm readers are more sophisticated than pjm authors. Note to Radosh: A spawn of the Frankfort School is President of the US. What Snowden has done is of no significance.

Shame upon the right-wing that one of theirs did not bust the NSA. Perhaps there are none there.
42 weeks ago
42 weeks ago Link To Comment
The whirlwind of media speculation, necessarily uninformed media speculation, the later hilariously pointed out by all of those reporters seated on board that Havana-bound Aeroflot aircraft after the doors thumped shut looking around vainly for their prey, Snowden, should caution all of us about jumping to any conclusions at all.

In the 1960's, Snowden would've been a hippie in sandals with beads around his neck.

The Snowden we are watching is a 2013 hippie-in-decent-clothes who had an excellent, well paying job involving secret material available via his tool of his trade, Computers. ....who then at some point had his Road To Damascus moment and in a colossal leap of self importance decided that he himself was the best judge of what America should not do in the watching for Muslim terrorism suspects.

Snowden then gallops off to Chinese Hong Kong astride his white steed in search of a platform to preach "justice for all information to be revealed to all".

What a crock.

America is not "humiliated" by Snowden's adolescent rebellion. Repeat out loud: "America is not humiliated by Snowden's adolescent rebellion."

Granted he no doubt knows some pretty hot computer programs which the Chinese and the Russians will no doubt pay him handsomely in due course for their access to those, once he gets settled in his exile in a left-leaning country where he's going to have to learn a new spoken language.

All of this drama reminds me of the Cold War. [forget Obama, he's unfortunately got a prestigious title, but he's clueless. Our main problem is getting around his inexperienced bulls****ing, no easy task. ]

So, America, send out for noodles and and a samovar, and watch this high stakes chess game; but long run Fear Nought.



42 weeks ago
42 weeks ago Link To Comment

Snowden is not the first American to point out the illegalities of the NSA and other agencies. In fact many have tried to sound the alarm within these agencies to no avail, being stonewalled, ignored, or worse. Many tried to work within the system of government to bring illegal acts to light and were rebuffed.
What is shocking is acceptance of Americans to have an encompassing gathering of private information, and recorded for later review. The government has no right to reach into your daily lives, record your effects and review them without a specific warrant to do so.
People were afraid of their gun registrations being recorded ?, this is far worse many times over. This is your life being registered and recorded for use by whomever has access to your files ; NSA, CIA, Rand Corporation, many groups and corporations not accountable to the American Citizen.
Lets be clear, what NSA and other agencies are doing is Illegal and unconstitutional.
If the Citizens do not insist on Government obeying the Constitution, then this is no longer a Representative Republic. We have become sheep and no longer deserve to be called land of the free and home of the Brave.
42 weeks ago
42 weeks ago Link To Comment
Get out my file and add this. Putin is kicking the President's butt. Soundly. Not enough people care about climate change to stop watching the KGB guy open up another six pack of international whoop a$$ and derision on the Prompter Reader. Perhaps they could strike a bargain, if BO says where he was during the Benghazi terrorist attack, Putin will tell him where Snowden is. Wait, Putin probably knows where Obama was. Forget the reset button, we need an on switch at The White House. Fine if it's powered by a solar panel. Just get one.
42 weeks ago
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I agree. Snowden isn't a hero. He's a spy. He stole government secrets and now he's pedaling them to other countries or putting himself in a position to be seduced or coerced or manipulated into giving up those secrets to foreign governments. In addition to the ones he's already barfed out publicly. There is nothing honorable about his behavior. It's fascinating to see the extent to which people in this country willing to sacrifice our foreign intelligence capabilities as an acceptable price to pay solely for the knowledge that our government has domestic surveillance programs. Wow, just...wow.
42 weeks ago
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One more time, Sally, just for you:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
42 weeks ago
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Thank you, Mr. Olivaw.
42 weeks ago
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