The Continuing Stalinist Delusions of Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick: A Final Assessment
Indeed, rather than try to challenge my account of this meeting, their own words indicate their awareness that what I wrote was accurate. But rather than comprehend how out of line such a meeting was — asking Stalin’s secret police chief in the U.S. for help fighting the administration — and how it was much more than simply indiscreet, they only argue that in essence Wallace was doing the right thing. Then they have the most laughable line of all: their claim that Stalin would have implemented “Soviet liberalization in Eastern Europe,” thereby taking away “the Soviet-bashers’ main issue,” had only the U.S. cooperated with Stalin.
That claim reveals more than anything else their abysmal failure to understand Stalin’s policy even before the Second World War had come to an end. Here, I refer them, and you, to the lengthy and essential review of Anne Applebaum’s book Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, 1944-1956 by historian Robert Service. It appears in the latest issue of The National Interest. Service notes:
The idea has gained ground that he might well have been open to a less repressive settlement for Eastern Europe if only the Western Allies had handled him with greater respect and understanding. Poor old Joe! Misunderstood and unappreciated, so the argument goes, he allowed the balance of governance to swing in the direction of outright communization. The chances for the USSR to dominate Eastern Europe without entirely suppressing its limited democracy and market economy evaporated in the heat of the Marshall Plan.
IRON CURTAIN will have none of this. The author contends that the communizing process began as soon as the Communist leaders who had lived as political refugees in Moscow since the 1930s returned to the lands of their birth with the Red Army… Applebaum starts her book with an exposition of the preparatory groundwork for later communization, a process that was well under way in the last year of the Second World War. The core of her argument is that Communist returners did not confine themselves to assuming power in ministries of internal affairs but immediately sought to impose their influence on the minutiae of everyday life. Communization was dreamed up not in 1947 or 1948 but in 1945 or still earlier.
His point is also reinforced in the forthcoming book by historian Robert Gellately, Stalin’s Curse:Battling for Communism in War and Cold War. Referring to the type of Cold War revisionism that Stone and Kuznick represent, Gellately writes: “The documentation show, quite to the contrary, that Moscow made all the first moves and that if anything the West was woefully complacent until 1947 or 1948, when the die was already cast.” As to granting Stalin the would-be “security zones” he wanted — which Wallace believed he should get — Gellately writes:
Given the dozens of states along the borders of the USSR, granting his demand for such a zone would have meant forcing many millions of people to submit to domination from Moscow. And as Stalin demonstrated time and time again, he did not care what the Americans theorized about his motives, so long as they did nothing to stop him from getting what he wanted.
Gellately points out that had the West not opposed Stalin, the Soviet dictator “might well have advanced the Red Empire to the shores of the English Channel.” The only reason Stalin failed to accomplish that was that the U.S. and Britain stood together and helped to rebuild Europe, with programs like the Marshall Plan, which Henry A. Wallace opposed. The truth is, Gellately writes, that “well before the shooting stopped in 1944-45, he set out to shore up his dictatorship and to straighten out the ideological wanderings that had crept into Communist theory.”
Indeed, the very reason that the American Communists persuaded Wallace to run for president was because Stalin’s Cominform had ordered the party to break with its social-democratic allies who favored programs like Marshall aid, and ready themselves for the coming war between the Soviet Union and the capitalist West, which he assumed would end with a world Communist revolution. Thus the elements of the CIO unions still under party control were told to break their alliance with the Democrats in the White House and back the new third party they had put together with Wallace as their willing dupe.
Stone and Kuznick quote an old statement about Wallace made by Franklin D. Roosevelt, for which they give no date. They do not quote the remark made by the late president’s wife, Eleanor, about Wallace’s Progressive Party campaign. Often called the “conscience of the New Deal” and the titular head of the left-wing of the president’s staff and supporters, Mrs. Roosevelt rebuked Wallace during his presidential campaign, correctly saying that “the American Communists will be the nucleus of Mr. Wallace’s third party.” Others of her associates, all bona fide liberals, joined her and issued a statement that Wallace had “lined up with the forces of Soviet totalitarianism.”
None of Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick’s gyrations change this fundamental truth.






To all of us who have done extensive archival research on any subject touching on the Cold War, the encounter between Ron Radosh and Stone-Kuznick is especially painful. We are lucky to have a determined historian ready to counter all the neocommunist propaganda. I have had a similar experience when I reviewed a deceptive book on Hemingway’s supposed spy mission to China in 1941, only to see the communist sympathies of Hemingway and Gellhorn mainstreamed by HBO in their recent film on Hemingway’s third marriage, where Chou En-lai is given a favorable slant, much as Peter Moreira did in his much admired book (admired by the Left). See http://clarespark.com/2011/06/30/links-to-review-essay-on-hemingway-spy-mission-to-china/.
I agree. God Bless Ron Radosh!
Highly recommended to all:
http://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Europe-Between-Hitler-Stalin/dp/0465031471/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358647556&sr=8-1&keywords=bloodlands+europe+between+hitler+and+stalin
Snyder’s book not only debunks the scurrilous nonsense Stone and Kuznick are trying to purvey, but makes it clear beyond the shadow of a doubt how bad Stalin was.
Great book about one of the drakest times in history and players involved. Stalin remains second to Hitler in terms of abject evil, but not by much. The starvation of the Ukraine was one of the most deadly acts in history. No amount of rehabilitation will change Stalin’s legacy, except to the deranged and the Stoned.
One has only to read “In the Court of the Red Czar” to understand the true evil of Stalin. By my count, if you divide the number he killed, by the number of words in the book [900+ pages] every “and”,”of”, and “the” equals a family of five. Of the two it is Stalin, not Hitler, who is the great destroyer. That Stone and company see him as sympathetic is evidence of a pathological willful ignorance; but we knew that, didn’t we.
The assertion that Stalin was hard on Eastern Europe only because the West “made him do it” is laughable in a schoolyard sense of responsibility. How Stone and others can make this claim with a straight face defies comprehension.
Concise summary – Stone and Kuznick are slimy anti-American Communist assholes.
I’d like to see the both of them time-transported back to Stalin’s USSR and open their cowardly little cakeholes in just one anti-Politburo diatribe. Nothing wakes up an idiot faster than personal exposure to reality.
Without a doubt the best distilation of liberal historical illiteracy is Will Hunting’s rant at his NSA interview in the film Good Will Hunting.
There’s a great take on this in,”Good Will Hunting’s Rant” at:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
COWBOYS & COMMUNISTS (under a cowgirl moon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKkSv6mcLc
Your first paragraph hits it on the head: Orwell’s novel at its heart is about perception. When it comes to liberals, it’s a diabolical syndrome, since I cannot read minds. Do they really believe the tripe they put forward or do they know they’re are lying. If they’re lying, to what purpose?
Mr. Radosh challenges perception with facts, therefore altering perception and overturns the documentary’s centerpiece. In order to do that effectively one needs access to a place one can affect pop culture narratives.
But liberals lie – a lot. The question is again how many really believed the GOP and Romney are racists, as the Dems put out again and again last year, simply because there’s not a lot of ethnic mix in their soup.
Is the NHL then racist? Isn’t it really a case of ethnic minorities not coming rather than being put off? Why should the GOP, or the NHL for that matter, pander racially. That’s what Dems do, even while they assert they are forced to in the name of justice. Expand other liberal memes out a hundredfold and you have the liberal universe – one that actually doesn’t exist and never has. It’s like the Fantastic Four fighting Dr. Doom but never seeing him except by shadows and the swirling currents of events. After awhile reasonable people would say “enough.”
Liberals are not reasonable people – they are mental cases. How many are straight up liars and how many have a pathological bent towards blame and self-pity combined with an exaggerated sense of evil in the world where they expect it rather than where it actually is, is unknown.
The oddest thing about liberals is their assertions of evil in today’s world and history are something they are so challenged to actually show they have to lie about it. That’s okay – they “know” it’s there, so why not lie?
Maybe the non-WASPs are racists because they refuse to join the Republican party. Don’t want to associate with a bunch of “old white men.”
Simply shocking that these loons bury the lede, that a sitting Vice President was on his own and without any authorization form FDR meeting with a KGB operative. As always though leftists conflate the failings of McCarthyism with the insane idea that the Soviets and communists were a benevolent foroe for good. Like mom told you 2 wrongs don’t make a right. And comparatively Mccarthy was far and away the lesser wrong.
The little I saw of this nonsense was Bizzaro Cold War; if only America was nice(for lack of a better adjective) the USSR wouldn’t have enslaved Eastern Europe nor killed 30 million in the gulags.
Stone’s son has converted to Islam recently. No doubt his dad’s hatred of America played a role.If America sucks so bad, mr. Stone, leave. No one iss topping you.
Im reminded of CNN’s The Cold War series in the late 90′s where Jeremy Issacs made false equivalence of the US with McCarthyism and Stalin’s post WW2 purges, show trials, and gulags.
But besides that, one must always remember that in the Communists on terminology the US was reactionary to their Revolutionary movement. The Soviet Communist Imperialists were driving the Cold War, and the US and it’s allies were reacting to it/them.
It was with a frisson of pleasure that I saw Ron Radosh in the WSJ 1/11/13, one of “my people”. I also saw the rejoinder letter by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick. At that point my response was, “meh”, but this post got me thinking. Which side is trying to get at the truth?
In 1945 looking back on the horror of war and the atomic bomb it is somewhat natural to think to put that much power as far away from you as possible as did Henry Wallace. But only if you ignore human nature.
In the modern era to put your faith in an institution so feckless as to put Zimbabwe on the human rights council is foolish indeed. Oliver Stone is not a foolish man, so something else must be at work.
In WWII the U.S.S.R. was perfectly happy to align with the Nazis, right up until they attacked. That shift changed the war and the U.S. did the supplying while the U.S.S.R. did the dying in that war between totalitarian states.
To pretend to Cold War could have been avoided if only Joseph Stalin was unopposed is as foolish as thinking that Islam can be appeased into letting us live and let live. It requires that one ignore history, human nature and what your enemy says about their own intentions.
It is quite clear which side is trying to get at the truth.
I didn’t watch Stone and Kuznick’s historical hallucination, but from the description offered you have to wonder why it was even aired on Showtime. Why hasn’t their crockumentary been slammed by their little buddies in the MSM? And why this perpetual mega-disconnect by the left for the twenty million that Stalin killed?
Maybe Stone and Kuznick will someday make a crockumentary about why evil forces in Congress falsely claimed they had to dismantle a lot of what Obama did in order to save the country. I would watch that crockumentary.
“And why this perpetual mega-disconnect by the left for the twenty million that Stalin killed?”
The left? Maybe the crazy left of which Radosh was a part, but liberals like myself knew of Stalin’s evil long before RR swung to the crazy right.
Transparent deployment of the True Scotsman fallacy. Obviously, no “true leftist” ever approved of Stalin – only the crazy, deluded, fake leftists.
Bullshit. If conservatives have to own our evil, racist past, then liberals have to own their naive, idiotic, anti-American flirtations with the CPSU.
Own it, Hillel…
Conservatives don’t HAVE a racist past. Democrats and the left have always been the party of racism. It is a tool to divide the voluntary associations of men and replace them with forced statist constructs in which all are ‘equal’. It is used when class envy doesn’t come easily–racial envy is easily incited as the ‘facts’ are visible from the skin.
If ‘liberals’ like yourself knew all about Stalin, it is a pity that the ‘liberals’ of the time were so busy making excuses for Stalin.
If they really did know, then that makes them willing tools of evil.
Clare Spark is right, we owe Ron Radosh a huge debt of thanks for combating the Stone nonsense. I expect Stone will be mainstreamed in the university ala Foner and Fast. It is important that the true record be asserted.
Stalin was such a nice guy. His deal with Hitler to divide up Poland and grind it into dust shows his great humanitarian spirit.
In fact he and Hitler admired each other despite the fact that they were at heart enemies. So, if Hitler admired Stalin……….
and Stone admires Stalin, I’d say Stone and Hitler seem to have something in common. Maybe that’s not the only thing?
”and asked for unspecified Soviet assistance in supporting the progressive faction in the Truman administration against the anti-Soviet hard-liners.”
Asking for KGB assistance in subverting the American political system and that is argued away. What more obvious evidence is needed to show that this creature was a deliberate traitor and that Stone is a dishonest, anti-American tool?
You are right, traitor is appropriate to define Wallace.
As an old Cold Warrior I can’t believe we’re still having to defend this nonsense. Can you imagine Showtime doing a program defending the Nazis? It reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a Euroweenie Lefty during the Jörg Haider nonsense. I asked why Haiders comments and associations were any worse then any of the commies in the various Euroweenie governments. To his credit his honest answer was “Because we are lefties”.
What does that say about the management of Showtime?
Good grief Charlie Brown…
Last year I took a military history class in which the teacher took the standard academia line that the Soviets were a paper tiger, and never a threat to our way of life or on a conventional warfare footing. We went back and forth a little during the semester. Then during our study of Vietnam, I made the comment, “So, you acknowledge that following WWII and up into the 80′s, you had leaders like Kruschev constantly making threats that the West would fall (including in his book Conquest Without War, which I read when I was 12 years old). You had the absorption of satellite nations all over Eastern and Western Europe. You had intelligence reports constantly asserting Soviet nuclear stockpile and military buildups. And you had the Soviets actively fomenting Communist revolution in Southeast Asia and all over Latin America. You admit they had nuclear stockpiles and the will to use them. You admit all of this, and you STILL think the Soviets were a paper tiger? You STILL think that they weren’t a danger to our national existence? You STILL think they weren’t a danger to us in a conventional warfare sense?”
To her credit, she looked at me, thought about it for a minute, and said, “Wow, I never thought of it like that. I guess they actually WERE a threat to us.”
“…you are likely to believe today that those who say our nation has very real enemies who have to be recognized are arguing on behalf of a myth, and that what the United States should do is unilaterally disarm….”
Radosh distorts leftist positions in an article attacking historical distortions. So what else is new?
“A small man, with little or no imagination, pushing small ideas and trying to pass them off as transformational changes.”
Nope, but thanks for asking.
In february 1965, former French President, General DE GAULLE, predicted, during a press conference, the monetary crisis, the USA have brought the world in today. He then, asked for the return to a gold standard…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-g2iGskFPE&feature=player_embedded
W76: How prescient was de Gaulle to ask for a return to the gold standard in 1965 … when the gold standard was STILL IN EFFECT? Amazing. Get back to the topic.
It isn’t just totalitarians who try to control the future by controlling the past.
During the Jim Crow era, pro-Southern historians aggressively promoted the “Tragic Era” version of Reconstruction: monstrously corrupt carpetbaggers put in power by the votes of ignorant half-witted blacks. By the early 1900s, they had everyone believing this account, including white non-Southerners. Even most Republicans came to believe that white supremacy and disfranchisement of blacks was a practical necessity in the South, and there was no constituency for Federal intervention to overturn it. (Yes, there was corruption in the Reconstruction South – but not much worse than afterwards, or elsewhere.)
In that case, the rewriters had a very powerful material interest at stake. At other times, they don’t. Pro-Communist revisionism is an emotional drive; the Left wants to redeem its past and tear down the Right’s past.
It’s pathetic, really. It’s a fact that many conservatives were on the wrong side of the civil rights issue much of the time: William F. Buckley in the early days of National Review, for instance, and that it was liberals who did the heavy lifting in that struggle. But Buckley himself admitted he’d been wrong, and modern conservatives don’t defend the Klan or Jim Crow, or the old conservatives who did. (On the other hand, modern liberals still cry “Racism!” at the drop of a hat, and continually level accusations of racism at conservatives. It’s as though they are unwilling to give up a weapon…)
It’s also a fact that many liberals were foolishly sympathetic to Communism, and that conservatives did the heavy lifting in that struggle. Today’s liberals should follow the Buckley example, instead of the Stone-Kuznick. Instead they want to discredit anti-Communism. It’s as though they want to take away a weapon…