Thoughts on Conservatism at Restoration Weekend
2. We need a truce on divisive social issues.
Let us take opposition to gay marriage as the major example. Last week, gay marriage initiatives were passed in states in which they were defeated in previous years. The voters, not the courts, made their judgement known. While we must protect the rights of those who are fiercely opposed to it on religious or other grounds, and respect and seek to understand their opposition to the measure, we must accept the fact that to young people today, including young Republicans, the measure is seen as a civil rights issue whose time has come.
How do we answer the young Republican woman who, in the Wall Street Journal a week ago, wrote that most of her friends view the Republicans as “social bigots” and complained that “the right has done nothing to welcome young people.” Sarah Westwood argues that “Republicans don’t have a future unless they break up with the religious right and the gay-bashing, Bible-thumping fringe that gives the party such a bad rap with every young voter.” She may be too harsh, and does not appreciate the need to build coalitions of people with different views on the issues she raises. But at the very least, I think, Mitch Daniels is correct that we need a “truce” on emphasizing the social issues.
3. Show in concrete detail how pro-growth and free market policies benefit all Americans, not just the wealthy few.
Mitt Romney’s 47% remark during his closed fundraiser, and his reiteration of it last week, shows that he was unable to grasp just how his depicting almost half the populace as takers who wanted handouts was extremely harmful. John Podhoretz writes:
He was displaying the same obtuseness about the wants and needs of ordinary people that did more to torpedo his campaign than any goodies Obama might have had to dole out.
Bobby Jindal, the brilliant and effective governor of Louisiana, raged against Romney in response. The former candidate was “absolutely wrong,” he said. Romney was “dividing the American voters.” Republicans, Jindal asserted, “need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream.”
As the Republican nominee, it was Romney’s job to find a way to speak to some of those groups of voters and offer practical solutions to their difficulties that both resonated with them and sounded plausible to them.
Podhoretz is correct when he says that we need to do more than just advocate pro-business policies that do not resonate with those who actually are working very hard and are falling behind each day. Free market policies cannot just benefit risk-takers and entrepreneurs, “at the expense of everything else.” In Wisconsin, the same people who voted in Scott Walker despite a huge nationwide campaign to defeat him by the Left voted this time to put Republicans in local offices. Yet they elected Tammy Baldwin as senator and Barack Obama for president.
Romney may have won the white working-class vote, but many of that group stayed home this time (he got fewer votes than McCain did four years ago from this part of the population). Emphasizing the power of entrepreneurs, as one friend e-mailed me, “only sails past the working-class anxiety about fraying safety nets and lack of job security.” It is not enough to call for small government. We need to support government measures that are effective in meeting the demands of those who are worried about their future, and who have been obeying the rules of the game, raising their families, and working hard all of their lives.
Scott Walker was able to win his fight because he showed regular citizens of his state that his policies helped them and that public sector workers were a privileged group that was living off the largesse of the state and was way ahead of private sector workers — including union members — whose taxes were paying for their great advantages and perks. Clearly, these same voters were scared by Romney’s message, in a way they were not by the message of Scott Walker a year ago.
These same points were made at The Corner last week by Yuval Levin, who is one of the intellectual luminaries of the conservative movement, and from whom I always gain much knowledge. Levin writes:
The story of this election is not massive turnout of the Democratic base but exceptionally depressed turnout of a portion of the electorate that, when it votes, tends to vote Republican. Those were after all the two parts of President Obama’s cynical and substance-free campaign strategy: to work the most intensely committed and reliable parts of his base into a frenzy while persuading the least committed and reliable part of the Republican base (white working-class voters) that Mitt Romney didn’t deserve their support so they should just sit it out. Much of the post-election analysis has focused on the sophistication of the former effort—finding every last tiny niche in the patchwork of clamoring interest groups that makes up the Democratic coalition and telling it exactly what it wanted to hear. But the election returns suggest the latter effort—using any low and mendacious tactic required to tell working-class voters (especially white, Midwestern ones) that Mitt Romney was an evil and uncaring plutocrat—was by far the more successful and important. Those voters were not going to support Obama, but they could be kept away from Romney, and evidently they were.
He adds: “It would seem that the commonly voiced concerns that Romney would have trouble connecting with working-class voters and that the attacks on him as a vulture capitalist might work were basically right.”






Ronnie: what makes me feel uncomfortable with Obamaa’s victory, is the tactic, which you seem to app[laud. It’s the same tactic, which paradoxically was first used by Republicans in their succesful iteration in N. Y. City, viz., the Republican City Fusion party, which exlected mayors such as La Guardia, and Lindsey. I’m speaking of the focusing on who one is, rather than what one believes or needs. Thus, the City Fusion party would always be careful to nominate a black, a latino, a Jew, a Protestant, a Catholic, for its slate for various elected positions.
Hank
In a word: tribalism. That is how the dems are operating right now. It isn’t in the least progressive.
It seems to me that capitalism itself is on the line. We often forget that populism and progressivism are the dominant ideologies now. In any case, women will never go back to the bad old days of back alley abortions. It would help if Republicans focused on economic growth and left social issues to the state. Here is the link to my blog on the subject: http://clarespark.com/2012/11/07/capitalism-is-on-the-line/. Also see http://clarespark.com/2010/01/02/jottings-on-the-culture-wars-both-sides-are-wrong/. The latter one is longer, but also will be of interest to academic readers.
And it would also help if they explained succinctly:why is it, leftist dogma is the same world over? And wherever leftism takes root, its populace becomes ever more enslaved, as opposed to free.
As such, ‘progressive/regressive’ leaders (in the public or private realm) target the deconstruction of the economy, ensuring a dependent class. This is their goal!
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/07/01/leftist-dogma-the-same-world-over-freedom-loving-people-beware-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki-32-2/
And attempting to be all things to all voters will backfire big time on Repubs – as it should!
Gerald Ford, remember him, the spouse of Betty Ford of the Clinic.
Known to the legacy bien pensants of tbe compassionate liberal tribe as the dumbo President (Republcan doncha know) said, “A government that can give you everything can take everything away from you”.
“It would help if Republicans focused on economic growth and left social issues to the state.”
If you add an s and make it “states” most social conservatives will agree with you wholeheartedly. A fair portion of the angst over Roe v Wade stems from its unconstitutional legislating from the federal bench.
I think the social issues should be out of politics but when I see Laura Ingraham and Santorem on the list of speakers I know that is a lost cause. For a party that criticizes the Liberals for trying to take over too many of what should be individual rights, the Republicans are right there under the bed. Add to that some of the ridiculous statements about abortion and creationism and you have a real loser. Unfortunately, any group advocating just politics, not social issues is soon overrun with far right people and they are not shy about pushing their agenda nor are they very accomodating: it’s their way or the highway. I got so disgusted that I became an independent.Even Barry Goldwater would not be conservative enough for the far right.
The Republicans need to update their office, their strategies, and most of their old, dependable pols.
Ron, (may I call you Ron?), your ideas and those of your fellow conservatives at the wingding are hopelessly naive. I am a conservative. I wish you and those other smart fellas (and Krauthammer is way smarter than me) at the wingding were even slightly on target. You ain’t. Forget immigration. It is not opposition to immigration that is the problem. If immigration were the issue, then black Americans would be howling the loudest about illegal immigrants as the illegals are the ones killing a large portion of their job market. The real problem is that the election was no longer about the country called the United States, but was decided by the Democrats turning the election into a spoils system. The appeal of Obama was simple and powerful. If you are a Latino, vote for me. If you are gay, poor, black, municipal union member, on public assistance, or a woman (more on that), vote for me. You can’t really believe that 30 something districts in Chicago and 50 something districts in Philadelphia would vote 100 percent for a candidate based on rational argument. College students and women were promised perks that conservatives in good conscience could not embrace as being a responsibility of good government. Obama may say we are not red states or blue states, but this election proves beyond doubt that that is exactly what we are. We are no longer the United States.
And women have been conned by the Dems and revolted by the Santorums. As long as there is a Santorum to frighten women, particularly young women, the Republicans/conservatives are done for. And Santorum will never shut up. His policies will win in some states, but will close out any chance for national success. He also knows he will get enough support to force moderate, good government guys like Romney into untenable positions.
So forget better immigration policy or being more moderate on social policy. Ditto the free market growth stuff, the special interest groups will never go for common sense. They want spoils. That last stuff about media or academia is also a non starter. Academia is where the government trough runs deepest. And the entertainment industry is a magnet for Prius drivers and feel-the-pain-of-little- people good hearts.
But I am by no means hopeless. Because this election has shown conservatives the path to victory. The victory is to win the Hose and hopefully the Senate. Let the big blue states like Cali, New York, and Illinois choke on bad government. Let the right to work states and the states that restrain themselves fiscally prosper. That way an Akin can lose one seat, as well as harm a national candidate, but not infect other states. It is only when the deep blue states are reduced to the begging bowl that conservative principles will triumph in national elections. So the Republicans/conservatives should for now put their effort into the Scott Walkers and Chris Christies (the big dope), and show on a local level the only way this country can work. The US Congress must starve the beast. And then we win, because beggars aren’t choosers
That’s what they said about Lincoln. We didn’t shut up about slavery, and we cannot be silent in the face of abortion, and if my generation can’t handle that, then Obama is what they deserve.
So you would sell out 300 million people for the sake of abortion, a right that might best be described as morally questionable.
And you wonder why so many of us are put off by social conservatives. You care more about abortion than you do the country.
The Restoration Weekend is exactly why we lost.
How many coal miners, fast food workers, Wal Mart cashiers, Moms and Dads working 3 jobs can affford to go to this weekend attended by conservative elites. The same elites whose many books, articles and appearances on radio and Fox did nothing to prevent us from getting another four years fail to understand how to relate to us–the fed up taxpayers in the trenches who love America.
Look where all of our best thinking got us–until the ‘old white males’cease to be a convenient target for the Lefties–then they win.
It surprises me that Horowitz who knows all about the strategy of the Marxists does not remove himself from the box that the RINOS nd self-aggrandizing elite conservatives have put themselves in. Yeah, you’re a great writer and intellectual David but what’s that gonna do up against government addicted toddlers?
Until I see the hundreds of West Virginia coal miners who stood next to me in 2010 at a DC rally protetsing Obamcare and the doctors who were also there in the crowd asked on all the panels on Fox instead of the Katie Pavliches, Kirsten Powers and Kerry Picketts, until we dismantle the old framework, we’re screwed. I can’t even watch Fox News anymore-knowing Murdoch is holding hands with the Left and Hannity, and the rest of them still trot out the same losers while the country burns and real people have no voice.
Until then do not talk about meaningless, ineffective Restoration weekends that serve only to enhance the egos of the participants–no wonder we have Obama in the WH.
Ron, I believe you have a phobia about social issues. I say that because your usual keen powers of observation and analysis seem to have deserted you in this area. Did you notice that the big emphasis on social issues came about because the Democrats and their media lackeys brought them up? George Stephanopoulous launched the first attack with his question to Romney on contraceptives? Romney was taken aback and wondered why that was an issue since nobody was trying to do anything about contraceptives. Then Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock were asked questions aimed at bringing out comments on abortion that would shock people. They complied, not having a clue what the left’s program was.
Then the administration released the ObamaCare regulations that required all employers, even religious ones, to pay for insurance that covers free contraception. They used the reaction of the Catholic Church and other religious institutions to further parlay the wholly left-created contraception matter into a major campaign issue. They succeeded so well that many normally rational people believed their access to contraceptives would be at risk if Romney won.
Now they have blindsided Marco Rubio with a question about the age of the earth. He responded not completely badly, but in a way that indicated he had not expected this kind of question. He seemed defensive.
The answer to this is not to cease talking about social issues. It is for every Republican to develop a strategy for this kind of thing, which is bound to go on and even escalate as a result of its success in the elections. For instance, Romney could have said, “I’m running for president, not the Supreme Court. Do you not know enough to realize the issue of contraception was decided 50 years ago? A journalist of your caliber should be more educated. Did you get a real college degree or just a journalism degree? And it is very odd that you bring up such a subject. Who suggested it to you and why?”
Likewise, any candidate asked peculiar questions about abortion can say that there is no reason to discuss the issue since it has been decided in the Supreme Court and as president, or senator, he would have no power to change that. He should add that the questioner should know that even if Roe v. Wade were somehow reversed, an extremely unlikely prospect, the issue would simply go back to the states and probably most states would keep it as it is. He could then ask whether the questioner knows this, if not why not, and whether the questioner has some agenda. He could even bring up the fact that Barack Obama has consistently voted against a policy of keeping alive infants who survive an abortion; he favors letting them lie around until they die.
Newt Gingrich would have been able to deal with these questions by going on offense rather than answering the question at face value or stumbling around. Pity he is such a terrible candidate and probably would make a less-than-ideal president. But he could give lessons to those who are in the hot seat.
It is not surprising that candidates answered as they did: they were blindsided. There is now no excuse for it. Republicans should be thinking of every possible question that Democrats might ask for their purpose of creating a narrative about anti-women, anti-science Republicans, and prep every candidate, even those for dogcatcher, with possible responses. They should also collect every horrendous policy that Democrat opponents have voted for and look for opportunities to bring them up.
You might note that Rick Santorum was the last man standing against Romney, though he had less money than many of his fallow candidates. I think you are unaware that huge numbers of people vote on social issues. When you recommend dropping these issues in a “truce,” you are not thinking in a cost-benefit way. How many votes from ordinary people would you lose in order to please the great and the good who hate social issues? I assure you it would be a number that would overwhelm the few you would attract. Most people who say “I’d vote for Republicans if they were pro-choice” are lying.
Republicans missed many opportunities to bring social issues to the fore to their benefit. The reason Akin and Mourdock were pushed to talk about abortion in the case of rape is that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against abortion without limits: they are against partial-birth abortion; they are for bans on taking minors across state lines for an abortion; they are horrified that schools in some places can arrange for abortions for teenagers without parental consent or even knowledge. These things would make potent campaign issues, but they will not be used as long as you, like almost all of the Republican establishment, have swallowed the left’s view of social-issue voters as embarrassing uneducated religious freaks.
The answer is not to abandon these people and these issues, which “solution” would make Republicans a permanent minority everywhere; it is to gather our courage, create powerful responses, and never again go on defense when the left tries its dirty tricks.
Did you notice that the big emphasis on social issues came about because the Democrats and their media lackeys brought them up?
Did *you* notice that the GOP had social issues (a.g. abortion) as an official platform position? How is that supposed to work, exactly?
GOP: we’re against abortion. we’re conservative.
MEDIA: ok, so… tell us about abortion
GOP: Waaaahhh! unfair! you’re asking about abortion!
MEDIA: well, yeah, like it’s your offical position?
CLUELESS SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE: see, the media brought it up!
I mean, seriously? You can’t get this?
Actually, it is the reaction of the GOP to their own candidates that is so offensive. Mourdock’s position actually is the position of the Roman Catholic Church. BTW, the question to Mourdock was to state his own personal beliefs and not what he would legislate. The question was in fact a trap, and the soundbite was captured; mission accomplished.
Funny, people like you would be totally offended if a reporter asked Obama about his voting record vis-a-vis abortion as a Illinois State Senator (his vote was a vote for infanticide). I’m sure you have no problem with that.
I believe her point is that there are positions that can be taken on social issues that will appeal to a majority of people. I agree completely.
The current GOP attempt at a non-position position on social issues makes it easy for the Dem controlled media to create a scary caricature of the GOP stance. If Republicans can clearly and unequivocally define their position on the social issues, it will be much harder for others to attempt to redefine them.
There are positions between “no abortions at all” and “no limits to abortion at all”, and I would hazard a guess that most people’s opinions on the topic lie in between those extremes. The GOP can change their platform to be against unlimited abortion, and specifically against partial birth abortion and allowing live birth “abortions” to die, and that would be in line with the majority of Americans; rather than pandering to the minority who think all abortions should be illegal.
Would they lose the die-hard anti-abortion crowd? Sure; but they will more than make it up by not driving away the people who may hate Obama’s stance on partial birth abortion, but are more horrified by the thought of a return to back-alley abortions.
If the GOP cannot present a united front on where they stand on the social issues, or decide to continue with their spineless attempt to avoid the issues, the Dems and their compliant media toadies will define them; and they will continue to hold up those in the GOP who are the most extreme and “scary” to young people and moderates, as the face of the Republican Party. The GOP will eventually cease to be an influence on the national level.
The GOP can change their platform to be against unlimited abortion, and specifically against partial birth abortion and allowing live birth “abortions” to die, and that would be in line with the majority of Americans; rather than pandering to the minority who think all abortions should be illegal.
The fraction of “partial birth” abortions is small enough that these are a rarity. As in less than 1%. They are also highly regulated. The anti-abortion crowd flogs this as if these are commonplace, and their propaganda is easily detected as such. To most voters this is seen as a wedge issue; railing against the rarest form of abortion as if it were everyday and agreeing with the far right allows the far right an excuse. “Hey, they’re OK with banning something that is under 1%, so they’ll be OK with more restrictions” and the next thing you know, the legal system is under assault. Again. And now worse.
If the GOP could guarantee that banning a prodedure that is already rare would be the end of it forever, most people (your claimed majority) would probably be OK with that, but we both know that this would be the START of a far more intense campaign, not the end of this one. People (this same majority) are correct to distrust the GOP and not vote for social issue candidates. Social issus are a guaranteed GOP loss.
Right! Nothing’s going to change. The SoCons are going to continue insisting that their religious beliefs be instituted into law!
Re the Restoration Weekend participants (meeting to uncover why we lost) notice that most are evangelical or Catholic:
Santorum, Bachmann, Michael Reagan, & Ann Coulter are all EVANGELICAL Christians (not to be confused with mainline Christians.)
Monica Crowley & Laura Ingraham are Catholic.
These 2 groups (evangelicals & Catholics) believe abortion is murder. Pure & simple…and they have been indoctrinated their whole lives…NOTHING will ever change their mind about abortion. On the other hand, Jews (such as Charles Krauthammer) & most mainline Protestants do NOT insist that abortion is MURDER. But they are outnumbered at Fox News and the Restoration Weekend.
It’s that simple. Many (if not most?) of our conservative pundits on Fox are evangelical or Catholic. It’s INCONCEIVABLE to them that smart, knowledgeable Christains & Jews could wholeheartedly support a woman’s right to choose.
Therefore Republicans will not abandon their election-losing “2-religious group’s” stands on social issues.
Our beloved party is doomed. We cannot sustain with this social vs fiscal conservative mix! It’s over. We all lose. The country will NEVER support these evangelical and Catholic religious beliefs as the law of the land!
“These 2 groups (evangelicals & Catholics) believe abortion is murder. Pure & simple”
If it isn’t murder than what is it? It’s a human life, like a child, teen, middle age, or elderly person, a fetus is just another stage of life. How is a child one thing in the womb and another thing a few inches outside of the womb? Or is it a case of out of sight out of mind? And, no, I’m not a Catholic or evangelical anything.
Correction: Santorum is a Catholic.
Whoops, you’re absolutely right, myth buster. My mistake. Santorum is a devout Catholic who brought up the Catholic “sin” of artificial contraception.
The average voter doesn’t study political issues such as progressive vs regressivce taxation. But you can be SURE that many voters who stupidly voted for Obama thought that Republicans want to take away everyone’s birth control!!!! Romney was not nearly strong enough on his rebuttal! The dems understood voter stupidy and ran with the contraception issue against Romney.
Ron, what you are proposing is just “Democrat lite”. If liberals want socialized medicine, etc., let them have it. Just hope that when they are rationed, their time comes too late for them. It will improve the gene pool.
Ahem! Ingraham, Santorem and Bachman ALWAYS find a way to insert abortion into the speech.
Judy K. Warner’s response at 4 is so exactly on target that it can’t be improved upon. We desperately need leadership in a man or a woman who knows what Judy is talking about and can smack down the damned press when it comes at them with this age-old claptrap about rape, abortion, and the age of the earth (or whatever else de jour is).
I suspect Bobby Jindal has the smarts and the will to be such a leader. Rubio hasn’t been in the national arena long enough to prove it one way or another. He surely should have been ready for such a stupid question, that’s for sure. In any event, time will tell–but we desperately need leadership.
And I am surprised and disheartened by Mr. Radosh. What IS it with people? Doesn’t the Republican leadership and don’t our pundits have a clue about how great leaders lead and change history?
An Préachán
Sorry, you cant beat the press. They will edit to produce the desired outcome.
Clare is right above that capitalism is at stake but people connect Industrial Policy/Cronyism/Corporatism with Capitalism now. Too many blame the 2008 crisis on Capitalism instead of the accurate Interventionism cause coupled with favorable Rescues of the Politically Connected.
It’s not enough to know history although that is a great start for framing a compelling story for the future grounded in reality. We need to be explaining why Freed Markets work. Why they foster cooperation and the Predator State cannot and does not. Why the world’s population went up 6-fold but the wealth per capita increased 16-fold. That contrary to what President Obama said, “free market capitalism has not been tried already and it failed. It succeeded beyond the wildest dreams of anyone. It is Intervensionism that sucks the dynamism and predictable rules of individual cooperation away.
When I tell the story of what is really going on in ed, I try to tell what the consequences have been in past and are thus likely to be in the future. History and economics. That’s the compelling story. Nobody of any race or ethnicity wants their children to be weaker economically as a matter of declared intention in advance. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/building-a-compelling-future-political-coalition-around-advocacy-for-keeping-the-axemaker-mind/
We have the winning ideas and there are many in that 47% who will lose in the Era of the Predator State. It is up to all of us to explain why.
It seems that every time I see an article about Restoration Weekend its after the Republicans have taken a brutal election loss. This has been going on for what seems like forever. But this last loss was the hum-dinger, though. The 230 year old Constitutional Republic was killed. The Republicans haven’t been able to get things right ever since Reagan. Why would anyone expect that they’ll get anything right now? The only thing left to do to truly restore the Constitutional Republic that was lost to us in the last election is the advance of the nullification and secession movement. If that’s not on the agenda, then the Restoration Weekend is a total waste of time.
Hello? And I thought 2010 was such a conservative resurgence, a historical wave, epochal. Now we have all the doomsayers tearing their hair, rending their garments. Sounds kind of BIPOLAR to me. Can’t have EVERY victory? One loss, and I WANT TO TAKE ALL MY MARBLES AND GO HOME? OK, Tenth Amendment, Secession!!! Question: how’d that work out for you back in 2009, say?
Let’s recap:
1) “Moderate” our stance on immigration, (meaning illegal immigration), because Obama, who boasts of having deported more illegal aliens than any other President received 7 out of 10 “Hispanic” votes…and deporting people is “Big Government”?
It’s only “Big” government because Big government allowed it to become such a Big Problem. Controlling immigration is also, BTW, one of the proper Constitutional functions of the Federal government.
2)Don’t talk about “Social Issues”. And allow the Gay Cult to proselytize their lifestyle without a peep of protest. Likewise, I suppose that we should vote “Present” when the ever-increasing subsidy to Planned Parenthood is…increased.
What is your view of those people in World War II that voted “Present” when the Shoah was happening?
Yeah…for many of us, abortion IS a Holocaust…and the numbers of the dead FAR outweigh those of the Shoah. And with Federal subsidies, WE are PAYING for this murder of victims who are far more helpless than the Jews ever were.
If you won’t stand for this, you won’t stand for anything…and you won’t peel any votes from the Democrats for it. You’re fooling yourself if you think you will.
3) Explain to people that making money at a job is better than making money from a government check.
A few more years of Obamanomics should do the convincing FOR us.
4)The Culture is against us.
No, the culture is NOT against us…just the caricature of the culture that is broadcast from the east and west coasts are.
Y’know, the Democrats don’t whine about “the culture”…they try and CHANGE it…and in many ways they are successful at it. We need to buy some more media outlets and fight back. We can change the culture too, y’know. And we are doing so, the problem is that the corporations that own news and media gainsay long term cultural health for short term profit.
Your four bullet points are a RINO handbook for becoming Democrat-Lite, and we have seen the results of trying to be “moderate” in the last tywo elections.
Obama got 9 out 10 Black votes, 7 out of 10 Hispanic votes, and 4 out of 10 White votes. Had Romney gotten 8 out of 10 White votes, he would have been inaugurated in January with a mandate.
Like it or not, the GOP must become the White people’s party.”Hispanic” citizens will have to decide where they fit in. I’m confident about the choice that they will make.
…allow the Gay Cult to proselytize their lifestyle…
Clueless bigotry much?
Did you even bother to read the article?
The Transgender Day of Remembrance [TDOR] will be commemorated in cities and countries around the world today, reflecting on those who have died as a result of fear, hate and transphobia,” Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said in a statement on Tuesday.
“I stand proudly today–and every day–as an ally to the transgender community and to every person and family impacted by anti-transgender bullying and violence,” she said. “Transgender people are part of the diversity that America celebrates today and they, like every American, deserve to live without fear of prejudice or violence.”
“I hope that this year’s commemoration will serve as an opportunity to shine a brighter light on both progress made and the challenges ahead,” Solis said.
Go back to your numbers, randomengineer. You are missing the forest because of the trees.
You are missing the forest because of the trees.
Nobody is telling you to get transgendered, that it’s cool, desireable, or that being one gets you fast-tracked into heaven. The only thing being said here is that there are transgenders out there and beating them to death for it is wrong. Making a statement that beating up gays isn’t cool is absolutely not the same thing as telling you that you need to be gay.
As Radosh said the younger generations are perfectly OK with GBLTs and it’s you reactionary types out of step with the mainstream. Liberty is being taught whether you like how it’s manifested or not.
If you prefer to think that acceptance that people have different orientations is a leftist plot, you’re going to die an unhappy conspiracy nut. America is not your playground where you get to push ‘different’ people around or have them ride in the back of the figurative bus just because *you* think liberty is applicable to what you find acceptable. Freedom in real life is messy, where people you don’t approve of have just as much say as you do. And as Radosh points out, it’s *you* that’s out of step. Deal.
Tell me more about forests.
Whoa there skippy.
I could care less about my neighbor’s private life untill it spills into my private life. What you failed to notice is; the president standing next to the secretary of labor talking about…..what?
It sure wasn’t about competition or labor. I get up and go out and pass on my fair share for what? The rest of what the government lives on is borrowed from some foreign entity for what? I also would like to think that my employer can pick and choose who will and who wont provide what to whom.
So that you know that I am on your side, beating someone for any reason is wrong. Do we need the leader of the free world to state the obvious? Maybe you do. Maybe if we all hold hands and agree that diversity is better than boredom, we will snatch a couple of votes from democrats. Wow, deep thoughts lead to republican victories. Yeah for our team!
The trees are standing 16 trillion tall and your name calling for 2 reasons. First you have been called out because you miss the obvious. 2nd, you can’t back up a single assertion on all your replys because you….. miss the obvious.
I could care less about my neighbor’s private life untill it spills into my private life. What you failed to notice is; the president standing next to the secretary of labor talking about…..what?
Tomorrow the president will pardon a turkey. Big deal. How is it that your neighbour’s private life is spilling into yours, and how does GBLT make a difference?
If my GLBT neighbor sues my employer or better yet, my city sanitation department, that is what we call a spill of unneeded circumstances.
As for the turkey? Do we need to waste and trivialize every single moment in our national existence? For the love, 16 trillion in debt and we can’t cut a thing?
We need to buy some more media outlets and fight back. – Bilgeman
This should be priority one. Certainly, we can raise the capital necessary to purchase targeted media companies, movie studios, broadcast networks, cable networks, production companies, etc.
I think you had better modify that to say that the Republicans should be “the White MEN’s party”. I don’t think that a majority of White women are going to be content to be the housewife/breeders a la Leave it to Beaver, or Father knows Best, that the Evangelicals or the Catholic Bishops have in store for them.
Ron Radosh’s suggestions will lose my vote. I think we have ample evidence now what the radical social policies of the left have wrought and it’s time for a counter offensive.
This is the best that our great thinkers can come up with? We are doomed. Well, we are doomed anyway, so all this is inconsequential in the end.
Immigration? It is too late. Read VDH’s Mexifornia and his frequent current posts on what life is like under the shadows of immigration without assimilation. You think America will assimilate them? You are dreaming. Why should they assimilate? A Spanish speaker can now navigate this country as easily as an English speaker. Bilingual signs are nearly everywhere now. Assimilate them culturally? With what culture are we going to assimilate them into? The Left has successfully weakened our cultural icons, whether they are patriotic ( George Washington? SLAVE OWNER!! EVIL! BAD! Wipe his name off of every school in the country! Etc..) or religious (Christmas? EVIL! BAD! Ban and destroy religious displays wherever you find them!) By contrast, Mexicans have a strong cultural identity.
Abortion? I’ll set aside the fact that abortion is murder for now. However, abortion harms women! Why can’t these dopes get that simple point across? Most abortion mills have no oversight thanks to strong liberal opposition. Deaths and permanent injuries of women are not uncommon. Even giving women other options and a clear assessment of the risks is verboten.
Gay Marriage? Don’t let them frame the debate in this way. The real issue here is the undermining of natural families, and with the decline of the family, society is declining as well. Many social ills can be traced to a lack of two parent households.
Unfortunately, we need to make some difficult choices here. Do we do what is right for the society as a whole, and help keep families and our culture together, or do we focus only on the few who feel discriminated against, and turn our backs on our American heritage, our Judeo-Christian culture and our families?
You can continue to do what you believe is right–
–but you cannot win in the end.
Because young people are rejecting your message, especially about gays. They have lived all their lives in a Hollywood-inspired culture in which gays are regarded as normal citizens, usually even admirable citizens. From “Will and Grace” to “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” all the way to today’s offerings, young people see homosexuals as just like themselves. And if they can marry, why can’t their moral equals, gays, do the same?
By definition, today’s young people will be running the country tomorrow. They’re not going to have some magic epiphany in which they suddenly adopt the moral code of their grandparents.
The Dems are quietly confident that the young generation will be mostly Dem because the Dem message of social liberalism appeals to them. Our message has to be on economics and foreign policy. Christian conservatism is a non-starter with today’s younger generation.
Again, it isnt just social conservativism that has been defeated by Hollywood and the Leftist education systme. The proper role of government and socialist economics, environmentalism, the whole shebang.
You arent going to win any of those arguments, until the society fails on a grand scale….and it is failing on a grand scale, from broken families, single mothers to the macro level economics of Green Energy.
Scientism is the new religion. Of course Science has been polluted with Consensus Science and Environmental Doomsdayism, but that matters not.
Your problem is that you think it is just Social Conservatism and Christianity that has been destroyed, and as a Jew, who cares, heh? That’s progress, to you. That part of the Left’s agenda you can support, no doubt.
Scientism is the new religion.
Really? Describe this in detail. Show your work.
Usually claims like this are a sure sign that the claimant is a crank, but I’m always willing to have a listen.
When a person repeats a commonly expressed idea, like the idea that scientism is the real religion of our country, then, whatever else he may be, he’s not a “crank.” Crankiness is manifested in an ill-judged refusal to go with the herd.
But you didn’t think that warnings about scientism as the new religion were common? We must be reading different stuff.
But you didn’t think that warnings about scientism as the new religion were common? We must be reading different stuff.
Indeed. Other than a couple of bible beaters on this site, no, I’ve never heard of this before. Sounds to me (which is why I asked for detail) that it’s similar to much of the other anti-science babble from the fundie wingnuts where they have the absurd notion that if people ain’t religious with christian stuff it’s because they’re religious with science stuff. i.e. the operating notion being somehow that the natural human state is worship, hence if they don’t worship A then they must by definition worship B. (The idea that many people simply don’t worship anything seems to not be possible.) And on top of the galactic level vapidity of this idiotic assumption rides the even more absurd notion that somehow christianity and science are in some sort of competition.
“Scientism” being more of the same fundie wingnut crap is the answer I expect, so we’ll see what the claimants of this silly horseshit have to say about it.
“By definition, today’s young people will be running the country tomorrow. They’re not going to have some magic epiphany in which they suddenly adopt the moral code of their grandparents.”
I’m just a parent with a (actually THE) moral code. (Silly me?) You may be right, sinz54, but our young people’s MISTAKEN stance of being against the truth and the realities of life—open sex for all, no matter what—doesn’t end well. We’re already reaping the whirlwind of that: most children living in poverty are there because of the selfish decision of their biological parents—now, with the benediction of the state—to “enjoy” sex minus any of the consequences, except for the monumental miseries of too many of the mothers and their very disadvantaged—actually, cheated—progeny.
Has any of this ever occurred to you? You think you’re open minded: IMO, you’re actually narrow minded, dogmatic, and deluded. Hedonism leads to chaos and misery. Why would you consider giving a critical mass (sadly) of the younger, mistaken, hedonistic generation a free pass on this?
You write, “Our message has to be on economics and foreign policy.” So, you mean, economics and foreign policy on a cesspool foundation? You think that’s even possible? I’d say, think again.
Kyrie eleison. That means, “Lord, have mercy.”
What Christian social conservatives need to remember–in everything they say publicly–is that in Christianity, you’re supposed to hate the *sin*, not the *sinner*.
Social conservatives can continue to oppose same-sex marriage as breaking with successful tradition, without stigmatizing gay *people* as “homos,” “perverts,” “sick,” and even “dangerous to America.” Because I see that kind of hate on several supposedly mainstream conservative blogs.
One can be opposed to having his tax money going to pay for unmarried women’s birth control, without stigmatizing them personally as “sluts.”
One can continue to oppose illegal immigration, without stigmatizing the immigrants themselves as drunkards, inherently violent, lazy good-for-nothings just looking for a handout, or even the vanguard of some imagined Reconquista.
In short, you can be socially conservative without being bigoted or paranoid. It’s the bigotry and the paranoia–the idea that many in the GOP base actually hate gays, lesbians, unmarried sexually active women, and illegal immigrants–that is driving away millions of potentially new Republicans.
Everyone who agrees with the GOP message of small government, economic growth, and nationalism should be welcome into all ranks of the party. Gays and lesbians should be made to feel welcome in all ranks of the party. (Is Tammy Bruce a “pervert”?)
Please sinz, the opposition who controls the media is going to frame those issues like that. No matter if we could silence every inarticulate conservative.
Just look at Jewish reaction to Sarah Palin as the White European Christian Crypto-Nazi. That wasnt rational thought. That was an exhibition of Jewish hatred and bigotry. Sarah Palin could have spoken perfectly without any cause for misunderstanding, that would still be the end result.
You arent going to convince haters of European Christendom to like you. In essence you are saying that we should abandon European Christian order and embrace the nihilism and hedonism of libertarianism.
Well reasoned. Well said. Thanks!
sinz54 writes, “Social conservatives can continue to oppose same-sex marriage as breaking with successful tradition, without stigmatizing gay’*people* as ‘homos,’ ‘perverts,’ ‘sick,’ and even ‘dangerous to America.’ Because I see that kind of hate on several supposedly mainstream conservative blogs.” Do you? Which ones? Chapter and verse, please.
I’m an observant Christian and social conservative, I visit a number of “mainstream conservative blogs”, and am unaware of people there who speak of their homosexual political opponents in such terms. How about what homosexual political activists say about us? Now, THAT’S often altogether hateful: I can’t quote here because what they say is usually unprintable on anything other than a porn site.
sinz54, I think you speak with forked tongue.
Sinz54, do you really think it is all because Hollywood has normalized gays? I think that is laughable. Most people actually KNOW gay people and see very clearly that they are “normal citizens,” and some are, yes, even admirable. Can it really be that some here do NOT know such normal citizens who are gay? If so, I suggest getting out a bit. I am sure many of us also know people who do not approve of homosexuality who are also normal citizens and sometimes admirable. I am sure as well that most of us are easily able to accommodate BOTH groups in our lives. A political party that cannot also do that is a party most people will see as thoroughly disconnected from the practicalities of life. And no matter how heated and distorted our media driven discourses about politics get, the vast majority of voters in this great nation are practical first and ideological (or Biblical) a very distant second.
The majority of voters are practical first? The most recent election just prooved your assessment wrong!
This short reply from tommy_boy could stand in for most of what I see here. The same denial, the same inability to see that Americans might have made a practical decision to pass on them this time. Not because those voters are dumb, fooled by Hollywood or the MSM, easily bought off by Democratic bribery, or unhappy with the tepid RINO lukewarm politics of the Republican establishment — but because the conservative movement is itself flawed in its thinking. In fact, the election did not prove me wrong at all on this. Romney insulted half the population without ever offering a single clear explanation of why his approach would do one single thing for the American working class. Which reasonably and rationally deserted him. His 47 percent remark was a killer. It was totally wrong, and yet I see people on the right not only defending it still but using it to beat up on the voters who reasonably concluded he had written them off. In fact, it is not 47 percent who are dependent on government, is 100 percent. Including every holier than thou ranter here. Not a one of you is without that sin, so stop casting stones.
The voters made a practical decision? Based on what? Shall we examine, because you must have forgot or don’t know?
Did I not hear from Obama;
Romney-republicans wanted to prevent women form getting birth control?
Ronmeny-republicans wanted to eliminate planned parenthood?
Romney-republicans want to limit your reproductive rights?
Romney-republicans want to end Big Bird and PBS?
Romney-republicans wanted roll back regulations, let corporate raiders outsource jobs,cut funding for all the growing green energy jobs of the future?
Here are the facts
There is no way that Romney-republicans including the pathetic Aikin and Murdoch could alter federal protections on existing rights to;
Birth control, abortion, the existence of Planned Parenthood, and Big Bird at PBS.
In fact, when challenged in debate, Obama was forced to admit something positive he had accomplished. His reply was he passed Lilly Ledbetter.
Well he did sign it, but never mind the fact that equal pay for equal work has been federal law since 1963. Obama took credit for something he didn’t really do on the national stage and not one single person called him on it! Why? Was it a lack of literacy?
Big Bird generates enough revenue to fund PBS. Why don’t we take them off the federal nipple? Green jobs? Do you not know the failure rate that included crony tax payer dollars for these futuristic jobs?
Obama did not return to office as a matter of practicality. He was returned based on a emotion sold in a myriad of different ways.
In 1931 Albert Jay Nock wrote;
….”the idea that good government and a generally wholesome public order are conditioned upon having a literate citizenry”….further on he said;
“For evidence of this one has but to look at our large literate population, to remark its intellectual interests, the general furniture of its mind, as these are revealed by what it reads: by the colossal, the unconscionable volume of garbage annually shot upon the public from the presses of the country, largely in the form of newspapers and periodicals.”
Take comfort in how you view me and those who may think like me.
But know this; Aikin and Murdoch admitted truthfully what they believe deep in their heart on what is and what is not. They are no more dangerous to the republic than those that defeated them. But your fiscal clock is running out on what you hold dear and the majority voted on what did Obama say to vote on in the last days of the campaign?
I believe the choice was; Revenge vs. Hope for a better America.
And Now I can’t buy a Twinkie.
And because Republicans were incapable of answering all these charges in anything like a convincing fashion, they had traction. Take one. The Big Bird stuff. Who exactly was it that brought that up? Not Obama. Romney did. And he was talking about a tiny portion of a percent of the federal budget of no consequence at all. Why? Because he was incapable of explaining the practical matter Americans do worry about – how to reign in government spending when the entitlements on which they depend are such a huge part of it. Romney had no answer, so he gave Obama instead a perfect set-up of himself, as the grinch who hates Big Bird. An unbelievable irrelevancy fed to the Dems by the Republicans, who then proceeded to fall for the anti-PBS red meat they love and keep the idiotic issue alive, as you are doing even now. Americans were looking for practical solutions and saw none.
As for all the social issues, none of them would be problems for a party that saw them from the perspective of the vast majority of pragmatic voters. Take “lookout,” one entry down here, on the supposedly radical agenda of the activist gay community. To the degree you are concerned about the cheapening of the culture, fine, talk about that. Gays have no monopoly on it. Nor do Democrats. It is all around you, and in you, and most people are worried about it. They also worry about infringements on free speech and expression. They want those things balanced, and they see the hypocrisy and anti-liberty hatred hiding behind those who single out the fringes of a group as a way to condemn that whole group by implication. You need to ask yourself, if you are fair in making that distinction, why it is that so many who do know ordinary gay people in their families and among their friends find the Republicans utterly incapable of embracing such people as citizens with rights.
@jburack, Per your last post;
Thank you for proving my point. What you forget or refuse to admit, the choice you were making was a choice on who is to lead the executive branch of the federal government.
Charges unaddressed? Politics should be more about competence than language or presentation. You apparently think we should pick or at least accept a empathetic incompetent to assauge the fears of certain individuals in a tribal subset because that is far more comfortable and important than actually putting someone in charge who can solve problems but can’t explain to you and your friends that it is ok if you are out of some self imposed social mainstream.
Complicated, I know. It all goes back to my quote by Nock. You are literate, you are intelligent, but that does not help you make good decisions. Good decisions require logic. The difference between chess and checkers.
And there is little logic in image if none at all. And “image” does not breed success. In fact, after you peel back the image, you are usually left with nothing but phony propaganda.
On a final note, conservatism, with the exception of Reagan who was restrained by a very liberal congress for his 8 years, has not been even attempted in the past 100 plus years.
At this point, Tommy_Boy, it is absolutely beyond me what you are saying here. So I will take a breather. Later.
Jburack writes, “Can it really be that some here do NOT know such normal citizens who are gay?”
That frames the question in the dishonest, MSM way.
I know and respect many “normal citizen” gays. We’re not talking that. We’re talking the truly radical agenda of many in the homosexual community. Check out NAMBLA and Kevin Jennings, Obama’s first term, discredited “Safe Schools” czar: “President Obama’s ‘safe schools czar’ is a former schoolteacher who has advocated promoting homosexuality in schools, written about his past drug abuse, expressed his contempt for religion and detailed an incident in which he did not report an underage student who told him he was having sex with older men.”
This is not “normal citizen gay”, nor are gay “pride” pornographic parades and the other outrageous “normalities” of the gay community, which are now encroaching, big time, on our young people in our public schools, including kindergarteners. “Defining deviancy down” was coined by Daniel Patrick Moynihan:
“The late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan caught the decline of the culture two decades ago, observing that we’re ‘defining deviancy down’ — lowering the bar for what was once considered deviant behavior, giving a pass to things society once scorned.
“Not much has changed over 20 years. The senator was talking mostly about criminal behavior, but it applies now to just about everything. Raunchy, obscene and scatological subjects, once taboo, are the stuff of prime time. . . .” (Suzanne Fields)
I don’t think defining deviancy down is healthy or laudable. As far as “Gay pride” is part and parcel of this trend, I’m not in favour.
I’m sorry, but I think Republicans have placed way, WAY, too little emphasis on the corrupt culture we have in this country. Conservatives are getting hit on all sides. There is a reason why Obama did not hold a news conference in eight months but he DID go on a ton of shows like The View, David Letterman, The Tonight Show, The Daily Show, and he gave interviews to Us magazine and Rolling Stone magazine, and he went on radio talk shows like (and this is for real) “The Pimp with a Limp” radio show in Florida. Can you imagine that, a US president going on a show called “The Pimp with a Limp?” But it was smart politics because Americans have become dumber and dumber as the years go by and, unfortunately, get most of their news from shows like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. This is the God’s honest truth, but I saw a video of a bunch of college kids voting and almost all of them said (and this is no joke) that they got most of their “news” from The Daily Show. Think about that. Young Americans are getting their “hard news” from a comedy show. How do you fight THAT?
I guess by coming up with your own, conservative, comedy shows. And don’t underestimate the power of having celebrities as politicians, too. Think that’s a stupid idea? Well, always remember that Ronald Reagan started off as an ACTOR, and that Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected TWICE as governor of California. Celebrities know how to manipulate the media, and in a culture that values celebrities over politicians, being a celebrity certainly can’t hurt in today’s politics. But we are still going to need our own TV shows, our own movies, and our own daily talk shows, like Oprah and The View. If you can’t win the culture today, you’re doomed. What do they call dumb citizens today? “Low Information” voters, or, basically, the people that get the bulk of their news from The View or The Daily Show. THAT is what we’re up against.
You can keep all that blather about “explaining” conservatism to people. As if the people who listen to “The Pimp with a Limp” radio show would understand the stark differences between a strict interpretation of the Constitution and progressivism. Give me a break. Most American voters today barely understand who’s running for office, let alone HOW government is run. They vote the way Oprah, Bruce Springsteen, and the women on The View tell them to vote. And you could be a brilliant conservative politician like Sarah Palin, but if Saturday Night Live mocks you on a weekly basis you are through, considered a political joke. THAT is our culture today. Unless you get some charismatic, handsome, articulate, conservative celebrity-type to run for president, you will lose. In short, you need a George Clooney in the Republican Party.
Keep your Marco Rubio or your Bobby Jindal. All they’re going to do is become Democrats light, promising to spend a lot of money on everybody (that “compassionate conservative” junk), just not as much as the Democrats. And then the Republican establishment wonders why the conservative base doesn’t come out to vote.
Give Conservatives A REASON to vote for you. If you had a Sarah Palin who was a Hollywood celebrity, too, then you’d have a powerful messanger as well as a strong message. Until then, all you’re doing with the new Republicans we have now is trying to become a second Democratic party. And if you keep that up, that’s how third parties are born. And I think that after RINO moderates like Dole, McCain, and Romney, patience is wearing very, very, thin with real conservatives. Either stand for something, like real conservative values, or give up and just become a light version of the Democratic party. I think it’s about time we made a choice here.
I guess by coming up with your own, conservative, comedy shows.
Yes, the hollywood types stayed up late nights working on comedy shows that were funny but only if you’re leftist. They had a couple of right wing pilots that were hilarious and took pot shots at leftist foibles but couldn’t get the green light from the brass. The brass at networks after all aren’t worried about making money of course, they’re aiming squarely at the leftist agenda, plotting against you. They turn your kids against you by making homosexuality FUNNY. Somehow there’s a payoff here, but at this point crawling around what you present as logic is scaring me enough that I need a breather.
Your lack of curiosity on this subject is simply stunning and just shows what a worm’s-eye view of the world you really do have. I’m sure far-left zealots like yourself never really bothered to question why every single comedy show on television has a left-leaning bent to it. It’s just a coincidence that every show is like the Daily Show, Letterman, The Tonight Show, The View, Oprah (which is now off the air, but was huge in terms of ratings), and Colbert, to name just a few. All just a coincidence that they never seem to have a kind word to say about any Republicans and that they never really show them in a positive light.
It’s hard to get a show on TV that puts conservatives in a positive light if nobody at any network will put it on, right? And are you telling me that if a network put all of its resources into producing a funny show for conservatives that it wouldn’t work? Hard to find out if you don’t even TRY. No, to leftists like yourself, you see no bias in the mainstream media. Perish the thought. But when the president can go an shows like The View and have several fawning women gushing over him, or if you have someone like Jon Stewart almost having an accident just sitting next to the president, then why bother even giving the other side a chance to have its say on network television?
Sure, there is no bias on television. And if you believe in that, then I’m sure you have a pet unicorn, too.
It’s just a coincidence that every show is like the Daily Show, Letterman, The Tonight Show, The View, Oprah (which is now off the air, but was huge in terms of ratings), and Colbert, to name just a few. All just a coincidence that they never seem to have a kind word to say about any Republicans and that they never really show them in a positive light.
Since I don’t watch these I can’t comment on them. You don’t seem to have a working definition of ‘positive image’ that one can speak to. Basic serial shows (law and order, NCIS, etc.) seem to portray conservative values in a manner you may like, i.e. clear cut bad guys, mossad agents who are good guys, etc. If by positive you mean a reaffirmation that what you think of as conservative notions of law and order work, that family is important, lots of shows seem to have that.
The rest of your diatribe seems to be ignorant of demographics; viewers all over the US watch NCIS episodes. No clear cut red/blue state divide on viewership. Sure, there’s age bracket divides; NCIS is favoured more by the 30+ crowd (older the better) whereas 30 and under is attracted elsewhere. This ought to not be mysterious.
Reality shows are similar; I’m pretty sure pawn stars and american restoration attract an age bracket that isn’t watching teen mom. The teen mom show is pretty good at showing kids the actual trials tribulations of having to be a mommy at a young age. Mainstream shows like big bang theory show young people with degrees who work, hell, wolowitz went into space. This is not glorification of redistribution or other commie nonsense. It’s also pretty funny.
Would you mind adding some precision to your contention and spell out what you are referring to re positive conservative values?
Not that you would really care, but if you want an object lesson on how the far left media not only manipulates the news, but also uses the popular culture to destroy Republican conservatives, just look at the public crucifiction that took place of Sarah Palin in 2008 to this present day.
In 2008, Sarah Palin actually had a better resume and list of accomplishments than Obama, the guy running for president. Obama accomplished little up to that time in his political career except to get elected to two offices, state Senator and US Senator from Illinois. That’s about it. By 2008, Palin actually was the mayor of a town and was the sitting governor of a large energy-producing state with an admirable budget record (Alaska actually gave rebates to its citizens because of its oil revenues). And Palin was governor longer than Obama was in Congress. So, on paper at least, this woman was more than qualified to run for at least VICE PRESIDENT. Remember, she was running for Vice President, not prsident, against Joe Biden, probably one of the most inept politicians out there.
Then we had the campaign. What do most people remember about 2008? Saturday Night Live making fun of Sarah Palin. Week after week, the popular culture destroyed Sarah Palin, making her look like an idiot. And, as the Nazis so famously said, “Repeat a lie long enough and people begin to believe it.” So you had people like Bill Maher calling Palin every name in the book on his show, you had Jon Stewart on the Daily Show ridiculing her on a daily basis, and an army of late-night celebrities carrying water for Obama and denigrating Palin. By the end of the campaign, McCain didn’t even matter anymore. It was all about detroying Palin and making her look like a fool.
And why? Because this woman had the temerity to be a conservative and was not ashamed of it. Think how different the election could have been IF the popular culture actually supported and said nice things about Palin. Here was a woman who decided to keep and give birth to a handicapped child rather than take the easy way out and have it aborted. Here was the mother of a single teenage girl who was pregnant and had her own kid, and here was a mother whose son was in the Army and going to war. She was doing all of this while running one of the largest states in the union. Sure, big laughs here, right?
And yet, think about how Palin would have done if she were portrayed in that more positive light I was talking about. Heck, if the popular culture just didn’t make fun of her on a daily basis, she probably would have done better. But think of what would have happened if they played up the fact that she was, at that time, a successful governor, wife, and mother.
Nope, but she was a conservative who actually believed in gun rights and was against abortion and so had to be destroyed by the popular culture. And she was. The liberals like Letterman, Jon Sterwart, Bill Maher, Colbert, and the people running Saturday Night Live were afraid that Palin would actually win and so she had to be destroyed.
So that is probably the biggest example of a conservative being executed in both the mainstream media and the popular culture and how a person who is NOT presented in a positive light can be destroyed. Hope you’re happy with it. And who did they end up carrying all the water for? A far-left liberal from Chicago. What a “surprise.”
Buddy, if you didn’t see any of this, then you have a lot of learning to do. But please, don’t insult the intelligence of people around here by bleating the Democratic Party line that there is no major bias in the mainstream media or in the popular culture. Because, if you really think that, you’re either not paying much attention or you’re lying. Take your pick.
…the far left media not only manipulates the news, but also uses the popular culture to destroy Republican conservatives, just look at the public crucifiction that took place of Sarah Palin in 2008 to this present day.
So you backed down from the claim that the MSM is engaged in a vast left wing conspiracy and am now nattering about Palin. Bad choice. Your perception — from the far right fringe — is that Palin is a typical republican, something that most republicans would vote for. She isn’t. She’s the patron saint to wingnuts, the goddess of the clueless far right. She feeds them (you) bumper sticker level platitudes and they (you) gobble it up. I don’t know if you do math much, but in a Venn diagram you would be in the subset of a subset category.
Re the contention that the media crucified her, did they? Or does the harsh spotlight of abject reality cause some to wither and keel over?
Then there’s the blowback of the spotlight to consider. Everyone knew Ted Kennedy killed a girl. They voted for him anyway. Conspiracy? Delusion? Or was it that voters concluded that despite (major) faults Kennedy would do as they wanted? In 2004 everyone knew what GW Bush was about and they re-elected him. And so on.
The claims of the media being that bad are overblown. To buy into your claim you also have to buy the notion that people are stupid and easily swayed. This is not the case.
Well, I do agree with you on one thing. If you can’t see the left-leaning media bias in the media and the popular cutlure today, then you are stupid and easily swayed by that same media.
You brought up a great point (go figure) about Ted Kennedy. Do you really, really, think that if a Republican senator had gotten drunk and killed a young girl that that Republican senator would still be in the Senate, let alone had a job for life? Give me a break. First of all, the media would have crucified him, especially outlets like The New York Times. Second, that same Republican senator would have had the decency to resign, not wanting to put either the country or his family through the shame of bringing publicity to the fact that what he did was reprehensible.
But liberal Democrats certainly don’t think that way, and you certainly can’t shame the shameless, as people like Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton (the first president to actually be impeached since Andrew Johnson) proved so often. They see absolutely nothing wrong in their actions and with a far left media carrying water for them on a 24/7 basis, the media falls all over themselves to change the subject in a hurry. Just look at the most recent example with Benghazi. If it wasn’t for FOX News and maybe one or two other reports on CBS, the bulk of the mainstream media just wanted to change the subject and ignore it. Even now that it’s turning into a major scandal, there were barely any questions about it at Obama’s last press conference (the first one he had in 8 months). Oh, but they did ask Obama about “important” subjects like global warming. Sure, that’s real “important,” especially when you have an American ambassador and three other Americans murdered by radical Islamists. But there’s no bias here. Oh no, nothing to see, just keep moving.
As for you silly and misguided diatribe against Sarah Palin, you simply prove my point by parroting all of the far-left talking points you hear probably by either surfing the far-left sites like The Daily Kos or, worse, are getting paid by MoveOn.org to spam conservative sites with your far-left drivel. She had way more experience than Obama had in 2008 and you still can’t get your feeble mind around that. Or, at the very least, you don’t want to confront or answer that. No, America bought into a candidate that didn’t accomplish much in his life simply because he was packaged by a clever campaign committee as the savior of the world. So, if you want to believe in someone like that, knock yourself out. But evidently it’s starting to wear thin even with the American public because Obama only won by about 2% of the vote, hardly a mandate. But, if you have a compliant and overly supportive mainstream media, a popular culture filled with far-left celebrities gushing over you, lots of money to promote yourself with, and make enough promises to just about every special-interest group there is, I’m sure even YOU could get elected president today.
Palin didn’t fit the far-left media’s template (hopefully, you know what a template is) of what an acceptable candidate is. And to the mainstream media, the only acceptable candidate has a “D” after their name. And you know it.
So spare me your infantile arguments on there being no media bias. As your pal Teddy Kennedy, who was the poster boy for left-wing media bias, proved so often, if you’re a liberal Democrat you can get away with just about anything, even killing a young woman, and not have to worry about the mainstream media giving you any problems. If you’re OK with that, then there’s no point in continuing this conversation. It would just show that you’re one of those senseless drones who laps up anything that is spoon-fed to you by a corrupt and biased mainstream media.
So spare me your infantile arguments on there being no media bias.
You, like all far right wingnuts, have severe reading comprehension issues. I said you haven’t demonstrated a media bias, not that one doesn’t exist. Not the same thing. Suggest you read some of the articles on the subject by Orson Scott Card. He demonstrates a media bias. Do you understand the difference? You make a lot of wild asinine claims and anyone not buying into them primae facie must be a leftist. Card makes no claims, just demonstrates what he talks about.
I asked for data. You spewed paragraphs of opinions and invective. You are exhibit #1 as to how and why republicans lose; you can’t think your way out of a paper bag. If only you and those like you would kindly sod off and go form some sort of suicidal white moron far right wingnut party and leave the GOP alone, maybe we (the GOP majority) can get back to winning.
“I asked for data.”
It really isn’t my job to do research papers for you. If you are that interested in data, look it up. I gave you several clear and detailed examples of media bias, from Sarah Palin to Teddy Kennedy. If you don’t want to accept or even acknowledge that, then you’re just one of those far-left trolls that spam conservative web sites to annoy people. I really do wish they would block morons like you, simply because you don’t add to any discussion and you only succeed in taking up space on people’s blog posts.
Why did I answer an ignorant jerk like yourself? Simply because I want other people to understand that the only way conservatives will win in the future will be to stand up to lowlifes like you. And if you’re a Republican like you claim to be, then I’m Bill Clinton. Give me a break, you’re about as conservative as Teddy Kennedy. So save that junk and try it out on the Daily Kos. Lots of you MoveOn types come to blogs like this and claim to be Republicans when that’s the last thing you are. And if by a long shot you really ARE a Republican, then you really do need to find another party, like the liberal Democrats, which is what you really are.
So go off and pound salt somewhere else you shabby little troll. Maybe if you look up your butt you’ll find that “data” you’re looking for. Seems like that is the only place people like you will find it.
And, by the way, just saying “no” isn’t much of a defense of anything. You haven’t shown one shred of evidence or even given a coherent example to defend any of your assertions. It’s a common tactic of trolls. Just keep denying what the other person is saying and always ask the other person to given examples, date, etc., while never providing any of your own. It is so very boring and transparent too. So until you’re serious and honest about who you are and give concrete examples of what you believe in, then all you’re is yammering away. So do it someplace else.
“All we need are individuals and candidates who can explain carefully and logically why the Left’s policies are harmful and wrong for the nation. Hopefully, by 2016 someone who can do that job will be the presidential candidate of the Republican Party.”
That’s it? That is “all” that we need? That will happen the same day that local school administrators across the nation start seeking job applicants who can instill the spirit and meaning of the Founding Principles in their students. Like never. Or that the mainstream media reports accurately on the visions and views of conservative luminaries. It ain’t gonna happen. Okay, so let’s produce documentaries that accurately portray the failings of the left. Who’s on “Dancing With the Stars” tonight?
Just like so many other instances of addictive recovery America isn’t going to recover its true greatness until she hits rock bottom. Get ready for the ride downward!
C’mon Ron! Think big. You’re fiddling around with the round-off error of a few million Mexicans when there are a BILLION potential Chinese voters. Do the small-thinking Republicans plan to support annexing China only after the Democrats do? Get ahead of the curve, go Chinese or stay home! Or is it all just a sick racist ploy designed to win votes for useless politicians who are intent on destroying the country? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
The Democrats are vulnerable on social issues as well as economic freedom.
Democrats and some Republicans are trying to hush Rand Paul right now – he has proposed an amendment to the Defense bill that would guarantee Americans accused of terrorism a trial-by-jury and the right to confront their accusers.
Yes – trial-by-jury and the Sixth Amendment no longer exists.
First we need a candidate who will play to win v. playing not to lose.
We need candidate who can articulate conservatism, sorry Romney (think Romneycare) was not able to do that because at his core, he doesn’t believe it, he is and always has been a moderate. If he wanted to play a winning hand he would have said RomneyCare was an experiment in MA and it failed, the only way it has been able to survive was due to Federal funding to prop it up and he should have explained all of the nasties in ObamaCare, real estate tax, pathway to unionize all healthcare employees, the whole life system, etc.
Did he ever inform voters of the massive stimulus spending embedded in the baseline? Why did the GOP drop the plan to go back to ’08 spending? Not a word, the GOP has no real plan to cut spending, all I see is weakness. I want candidates to go after corruption, (political, corporate, etc.) I want candidates to support property rights and take on the EPA, Federal Land grab, protect our liberties and take on the TSA, DHS expansion, reel in the Federal power grab of education, etc. I want a candidate to call out the POTUS and the Congress for being silent on abuses of the Constitution such as , military involvement in Libya, Northern Africa with no authorization from Congress. Why are we arming our enemies? (Lybia, Syria)
Conservatives have to battle the establishment and the Left. I have had it with GOP “leadership” http://thehill.com/homenews/house/268815-boehner-tightens-grip-on-gop-rank-and-file
It looks like the youth in France are awakening, wonder if this will gain traction across the pond.
http://www.therightscoop.com/awakening-french-youth-declare-war-on-multiculturalism-social-debt-and-racism/
What will it take for more Americans to wake up?
Ron has a point about the way you folks concentrate on social issues. You see it as a matter of morality while the rest of us see it as a matter of freedom and liberty. Plus, you aren’t very nice about it when you state your positions. No, the left isn’t very nice about what they say, but we’re talking about you. Mostly, the left doesn’t have to be mean about it. All they have to do is to point out what you actually say about most of American and about most Americans…
What happened to Reagan’s message? Belief in the American dream? Belief that all Americans can achieve that dream? Belief that American is still a place of opportunity…for every American citizen. Then, Reagan communicated that dream, that possiblity, directly to American citizens. He didn’t viciously attack Americans or America. He didn’t viciously attack others within his own party. But what did Reagan know, eh? It’s not like he ever won a presidential election by a landslide or won a second one quite handily, or nuthin’. What a fool he was, eh?
Remember, in conversations about this topic, we’re not talking about your opponents. We’re talking about what you’re doing wrong. You keep losing the big elections, especially the close elections and you kep losing on the big policy decisions. But you kep doing the same things over and over again.
Mostly, the left doesn’t have to be mean about it. All they have to do is to point out what you actually say about most of American (sic) and about most Americans…
Such BS
As is your preachy diatribe in general.
What Bonesteel said — “All they have to do is to point out what you actually say about most of America and about most Americans…”
Here you are one post later
YOU — “If republicans have to become as dumb (as pandering, as big of liars) as democrats in order to prevail, the nation is pretty much finished anyway.”
That would be game, set, and match. Bonesteel FTW.
Sweet pea, you don’t think that your putative leaders are pandering liars ?
You think that every modern democrat who comes down the pike and kisses your cheek or puts his/her arm around you or offers you stuff actually “cares” about you ?
You guys are the pawns in the power scheme, the useful idiots your rulers have to occasionally pander to in order to gain another 4 years to cement their rule and the decimation of liberty.
You guys are the pawns in the power scheme…
I can’t speak for Bonesteel but I’m a republican. The problem for you far right idealogues is that you can no longer distinguish between rational moderation and raging marxism. Sad. There are also those on the far left who can’t distinguish moderate democrats from fire breathing bible beating republicans. You and they have more in common than you and I.
This business of you and others rejecting criticsm as being automatically from leftist operatives is simply ridiculous. Republicans can discuss and criticise the messaging of their own party. You are not the archetypical republicans nor the keeper of the republican flame. You are not the gatekeepers. Try dialing back the paranoia or check your meds, whichever applies. But do try to get a clue.
This business of you and others rejecting criticsm as being automatically from leftist operatives is simply ridiculous
Obama is surrounded by lying sycophants, Jarrett, Holder, Axelrod who orchestrated the useful idiots through constant lies, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Stephanie Cutter.
Individuals of no moral fiber to whom winning is everything. A lot of the semi-reputable people who joined him in the first term have beat feet.
You either want that kind of country or you go on lamely attacking PJM posters by projecting your own personal version of bull-crap onto them.
Your business.
You labeling me a far right idealogue(sic) and making those stupid claims about who I am is typical (not archetypical, a word that doesn’t exist) of the reasoning skills of useful idiots.
Part of not realizing you’re brainwashed is that you’ve been, well, brainwashed.
Before you jump in my corn flakes, I found archetypical as an alternate spelling of archetypal
Pray tell WHO is doing the “attacking”?
The Democrats act like rabid monkeys flinging their feces at anyone that doesn’t look like them.
All my life I thought the stench of urine in D.C. was from the vagrants, but I now know it is the Democrats trying to mark their territory.
The psychological community could publish a completely new desk reference of pathologies unique to the Democrat/Liberal/Progressive class in the United States.
Along with flinging poo, monkeys often indulge in group masturbation (saw this happening at the San Diego Zoo).
Most current entertainment events and Democrat political gatherings are variations on the public group masturbation theme.
“You keep losing the big elections, especially the close elections and you kep (sic) losing on the big policy decisions. But you kep (sic) doing the same things over and over again.”
What “big policy decisions” were at issue this election? Romney offered to maintain the status quo but his “compassionate conservatism” was rejected by the Republican base. They showed up in fewer numbers to vote for him than they did for the RINO squish John McCain. “We won’t get fooled again,” sez they.
OTOH, you are correct that the Republican Party keeps “doing the same things over and over again” by promoting itself as a Democrat-lite alternative.
Ask Ron Radosh why this happens and he will argue that it’s because Republicans are not enough like Democrats. So yes, it appears the Republican leadership will continue to offer the electorate a discredited political creed that has been firmly rejected by its base.
Ok, lemme put it in simpe terms, then…
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”
…and so that the SoCons can understand what I’m trying to say, here:
“Remind the Christians to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing meekness to all men.”
And the muslim choir boys sing “aaaaaaamen”.
What we need is a nation not filled with “low information voters”, millions of individuals who don’t give a rip about “carefully and logically”.
(Recommendation #3 might work, if anybody were listening.)
I get tired of conservative juxtaposed to liberal, as if they were equally valid premises in the marketplace of ideas.
Conservatism=Americanism
If republicans have to become as dumb (as pandering, as big of liars) as democrats in order to prevail, the nation is pretty much finished anyway.
Hear, hear!
I think Glenn Reynolds is on the right track. The GOP needs to give the upper class Obama supporters what they’ve been begging for good and hard. A tax on the movie industry would be a good place to start. Then start relaxing IP laws. And they want a tax on the rich? Give it to them, in the form of an assets excise tax.
If the GOP gives them enough class warfare in their faces, the donkey coalition will shatter.
A salesman that is not that enthusiastic about the product he’s selling, can’t be expected to be a good salesman for that product. (Read Melville’s “The Lightening Rod Man” for the Democrat version of an effective salesman).
And the Republican candidates that applied for the top salesman position were not that knowledgeable or enthusiastic about the Conservative product. That was evident.
They even displayed confusion about the product they were touting.
The Democrats not only knew the product they were hawking, they made it look like it was “cool” to be in their “club” and buy it.
The Democrats are effectively confusing the Republican salesmen, and effectively criticizing the product.
Until there are Conservatives that are knowledgeable, comfortable, and confident with the Conservative product, and can make it’s appeal attractive enough to a significant mass of customers, who will buy this empty pitch?
It was Conservatives and their values that MADE this country, and enabled the
Ron, this sounds like social appeasement, particularly for item 2.
What form of “truce” do you propose? I don’t endorse vicious or toxic discourse either, but for gay marriage, I will not back down in saying that it’s wrong, and that I have the right to say so without being called a “homophobe” or social bigot. Rather than a wimpy “truce” as you propose, why don’t we start by redefining the narrative – various forces and ideologies (all of them hostile to some degree) have been at war with our civilization and Judeo-Christian heritage for at least 50 years, both covert and overt, successfully destroying moral paradigms and social mores that were in place for thousands of years, now seeking to control and govern thought and language to our detriment. Looks like they influenced you also. Please gird up your loins and be a man.
Why does it take an eternity to moderate this comment?
I submitted it several hours ago, and see many other comments being approved within the last few hours.
Do you only want agreeable opinions like the MSM?
I thought this was the website for a “Free America”, or is that only when it is convenient or nobody says anything that makes you uncomfortable?
There is no political solution to an economic problem.
There may be time before the world economic collapse to lay
the foundations of economic recovery, political reform, and
cultural integration, but that progression cannot begin until
after the Progressive destruction of our system is complete,
and their brand is discredited – Unless of course, they win
out in their attempt to use the crisis to impose dictatorship
in which case – Never Mind !
But seriously folks (serious as death) support politicians
who support business, particularly High-Tech manufacturing;
It is the only possible path to the sort of future we want.
That’s why they supported Barrack Obama…who government subsidizes science R&D especially in the NIH grants, and the future Green Energy industry.
There is Science, and then there is Engineering;
Science finds out things, Engineering builds things.
There are multiple scientific projects researching fusion power, as NASA
did space flight, with great fanfare and expense and no practical result.
there is one underfunded US Navy project which is completing tests of a practical device as I write. If Obama finds out about it he will cancel,
or at least classify the project should it succeed. He will kill our future.
No, they’re not there to “support” business, tech or otherwise. They just need to get the frak out of the way. And the “high tech” businesses are particularly insidious, because they’re the ones wanting special favors from government. Tell the tech industry to get in line behind the oil industry. We need the latter more than we need the former. Go ask those Sandy victims how much their iThingys are worth when they’re cold and in the dark.
Yes. Precisely. We do not need more consumer toys, we need fusion power
and affordable Ground-To-Orbit launch capability and a thousand other
things which comprise a 21st century High Tech manufacturing capability
**None of which the current political classes will allow to occur**.
It will require the legal protection and funding of a forward-looking
State, such as Texas, to bring any of these things on line; Once the
first few successes start turning a profit, things will get easier.
But for the next 100 years, we need fracked oil and gas. Nobody alive now is going to see commercial fusion.
mreport — you might be interested to hear the chinese via a Dr Yang seems to have made a functional reactionless drive a la Shawyer. Paper came out Nov 6th in the chinese version of physics A. If true this changes everything. Mankind has the engine that can go to the stars. All that’s required now is cheaper access to orbit. Re Yang for readers herein who don’t get the science thing, a reactionless drive requires no fuel, just power. Google “shawyer” for details. Now if only the Bussard wiffleball you allude to turns out to be engineerable reality, the future seems pretty secure. Re wiffleball for readers herein who don’t get the science thing, google “Bussard.”
One imagines from reading the commentary here that most readers will need to google.
The nasty thing is that due to the revulsion most in the US have towards the social conservatives, these twits have not only handed the last election to the bad guys, they have made great strides into assuring that when man reaches the stars he will speak chinese…
There is hope for you. Just think how far we could expand science if we could just figure out how to reduce or stop funding the failures of inner space and transfer that wealth to something productive.
Yet I know that elections have consequences and this one was just one more based on fear when what was called for was courage.
You’re delusional. You no longer have an electorate that is interested in, or could even comprehend, what’s good for the nation. So your remedy is, let’s import more of the same and explain to them why they should vote to give up the freebies. Brilliant strategy.
I think these four would be better!
1) Nominate Candidates who Beleive what they say!
2) Nominate Candidates who Beleive something different than the Democrats
3) Nominate Candidates who will dance with who brung ‘em.
4) Nominate Candidates who understand the Danger represented by the Mainstream Medai.
Dennis Miller and PJ O’Rourke on the conservative side and we can’t figure out a way to compete with Comedy Central? I’d say that we aren’t trying hard enough. How about a little discussion about the debt slavery that young people now have as a result of student loan debt? Coming up with a resolution for that would bring more young people over to the Repub side.
If we are going to appeal to ethnic groups, then I’d suggest that Asians are a good fit for the party. We should have made a better outreach to Libertarians this time. And it would be nice to have support for the Tea Party as well. It’s bad enough that the Dems get away with demonizing the Tea Party. The Repubs should embrace people in favor of limited government and it was clear this election that they do not.
Reagan famously commented that he did not leave the democrat party; it left him. Similarly, the democrat party left me in 1994, and I reregistered as a republican. These days, I have not left the republican party; it has left me. I am reregistering as an independent. The author has made the case for why the republican party can no longer be trusted with power: it cares more about winning than it does about principle.
I have no problem with hispanics……or canadians or arabs or anyone else for that matter. What I have a problem with are those hispanics, canadians, arabs, or anyone else WHO IS IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY! In the name of all that’s holy, why doesn’t the author just admit it! WE DON’T CARE ABOUT OUR BORDERS ANY LONGER. Jesus! Patrick Buchanan was absolutely correct when he said: “America is disintegrating. The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization….Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.”
Times may change, but standards must remain. I understand that most of the nation’s youth, in their collective wisdom built upon all their vast years of experience (yes, that is irony) have decided to sell the nation down the river, but that doesn’t make it right. They are lemmings, and now Ron Radosh is saying we should join them in the pell-mell dash over the cliff’s edge. Radosh is obviously not comfortable with conservatism. He should join the party which best represents his views. By becoming democrat-lite, the republican party is guaranteeing its ultimate demise because that particular ground is already occupied by a well-entrenched opponent—the democrat party.
This nation is toast.
Radosh repeats a long-refuted myth that Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. In fact, he got only 40%, a figure even the Pew Hispanic Center now accepts and uses in all its research reports.The higher number was based on early exit polls and not final results. For confirmation, se Pew reports or the most widely accepted exit polls publshed by the Edison group. a more important error, however, is Radosh’s acceptance of the rush to amensty as the panacea for the Republicans loss of Hispanic support. In joining that parade Radosh ignores the 50-year history of Hispanic identification with the Democrat party. Carter got 82% of the Hispanic vote in 1976, and Clinton 72% n 1996 against Dole– and in neither election was immigration an issue. After Reagan signed the biggest amnesty in history in 1986,the Republican presidential candidate in 1988, George H.W. Bush,could get only 28% of the Hispanic vote. There is nothing new in this picture and caving on amnesty will not fix that problem. Thinking so is the most absurd of political self-delusions.
Overt racism doesn’t help. Lots of Dem voters read PJM and other conservative sites, and while the articles themselves are almost always free of hate and racism, the comments are not. Many of the commenters are blatant in their dislike/hatred of minorities. I’ve seen posts since the election hoping the US will implode completely, which seems a bit demented, like the gal in Arizona who ran over her husband because he didn’t vote against Obama.
Good luck trying to recruit non-fanatic Dems to your cause.
Don’t worry about me, I’m a hopeless case. Obama’s Agenda 21 mind control has taken over my brain, and I no longer have my own opinions.
5. You need talent where it matters.
But you don’t have it and it’s now too little, too late. Example, jumping off the page:
Sarah Westwood argues that “Republicans don’t have a future unless they break up with the religious right and the gay-bashing, Bible-thumping fringe that gives the party such a bad rap with every young voter.” She may be too harsh…
…There again, she may not. She may, heaven forfend, be understating the problem, since many would say the revulsion — and that is the best word — extends far beyond any ‘bad rap with any young voter’ and reaches instead to a majority of all ages and most backgrounds from coast to coast.
The rest of the country has moved on already. Those now holed up in Mrs Olsen’s kitchen in the flyover will, no doubt, see us all as the spawn of Satan. Oh well.
What you dont seem to understand is that they moved on from laisezz faire economics as well.
Fascism is the new normal. Look to Europe for the Post Christian Socialism that is the new American norm. Enjoy.
And what you don’t seem to understand is that those fascist tactics are also employed — at random and with equal vehemence (though often incompetently, so rarely with equal effect) — by the loud and not-so-smart moralists of the loony right. The pieties vary but the intolerance and sloganeering on each side are equivalent in every way, only the details differ. YOU’RE A BABY MURDERER!!! I WILL PRAY FOR YOU!!
The separation of church and state remains paramount: as it was to the Founders and under our constitution, so it remains today. That does not mean we cease to be a determined Christian society leavened by Jewish subtlety. It does mean that people should be allowed to decide their own ‘lifestyles’ and to live with the consequences. The extremes on either side aren’t interested. Neither, it seems, are you.
I now spend over half my time in Europe, in three countries, and do not support their debilitating social models in any way. It’s possible you know more about it than I do, but your instinct to violate Godwin’s law suggests otherwise. I do agree with you about laissez-faire economics — live-and-let-live applies to many other aspects of life too.
Dude, I will correct to the end my days, your ignorance regarding the Establishment Clause, which was not a general principle of Separation of Religion and Governance. It really isnt a Separation of Church and State, except as Federalist restriction on the US government. The original Union was a confederation of explicitly Christian states. The Separation of Church and State is about the separation of ORGANIZATIONS. It isnt a restriction on the Christian citizenry expressing their religious beliefs within the institutinos of government…including informing legislation. That is tyranny.
You embrace the Marxist Leftwing assault on the Christian religion in this country and therefore we are split in opposition to them. It is your fault for abandoning the Constitution, not mine. The Leftwing courts implemented the Jeffersonian formula of Wall of Separation in the mid 20th century, which gave us things like the banning of school prayer and the war on Christmas in the public square.
This idea that only morality and ideas derived not from a religious tradition are allowed to inform governance is insanity. As if the Communists and Fascists are A-OK, but Protestant Christianity is beyond the pale!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Read the State Constitutions that were produced before the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution. Only Virginia adopted the Jeffersonian model. The Marxist-Left imposed their will upon the States via imposing the restrictions on the Federal Government on the states and localities via tyrannical overreach (Doctrine of Incorporation).
Read the deliberations on the ratification of the Establishment Clause in the Bill of Rights in the state legislatures and amongst the men of leadership in the states. It is clearly a Federalist provision as is the no-religious tests in the . Read the pre-eminent Constitutional scholar Supreme Court Justice Joseph Stories magnum opus and his speeches and commentary on the Establishment Clause.
Inform yourself.
It really isnt a Separation of Church and State, except as Federalist restriction on the US government.
Really isn’t, huh? You may — in your clumsy, arrant way — be making an argument in favor of interpreting the 10th Amendment the way you want it to be interpreted. If that works in the diner in South Shitpile, go for it — and good luck with all that messy Constitutional Convention inconvenience. As it is, you prefer to trivialize the 1st Amendment instead: there are four parts to the amendment and they reach into every aspect of your life, all day in every way, whether you like it or not. Meanwhile, the rest of us will blanch at claims to superior constitutional insight; by your own words it is plain you are nothing of the kind.
As for the rest, well, oh dear. Can’t help but note you’ve run away from that earlier bleating about fascists and your profound knowledge of life in Europe. Moving right along and fluttering like a gadfly, you now have no problem deciding I’m part of a ‘Marxist Leftwing assault on the Christian religion,’ even though you know nothing about me. Well, rarely relevant though it is, my background is High Anglican (how high? — as a child, liturgy in Latin and early adult life as lay factotum to a very conservative bishop). I regard the modern Episcopalian church in the US as weenieville, a broken reed at best, and am now a reasonably devout Catholic. I tend to use the phrase ‘Holy Mother Church’ more than many find palatable. No one who knows me would ever confuse me for leftist, let alone Marxist or some kind of dupe. My wife is a sabra, which may trouble you. Tough.
So, good luck in your American Gothic demi-monde of dinosaurs and Elmer Gantry ranters, balled fists massed against the sky. The rest of the world moved on and you and your creepy kind are SOL. You’re down to pouring buckets of mud.
One additional mistake in the Radosh piece is citing of the 2012 Texas GOP platform as a model for GOP “moderation” on the immigration issue. Yes, the Texas GOP delegates changed the party platform on immigration, but their only change of substance was the call for a new guest worker program– they did NOT endorse the “DREAM ACT,” did NOT call for a general amnesty, and did NOT criticize the 75-mile border fence at El Paso, which is very popular. Now, if anyone thinks the call for a new guest worker program will satisfy the critics of the GOP outreah to Hispanic voters, they are in dreamland. Perhaps Radosh is not aware that despite all of his earnest outreach, in two races for governor, George Bush never got a majotity of Hispanic votes in Texas.
Conservatives are up against a culture that is entrenched in our popular media.
Just imagine if 60 Minutes had done a piece called “Who Are Axlerod and Jarret?,” that probed their background of being mentored by members of the Communist Party. Those members were associated with Obama’s own mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, himself a member of the Communist Party.
The piece digs into their college years and activities. A “refused our request for an interview” would’ve been as valuable as an interview. It wouldn’t have been a hit piece, just facts.
But make no mistake, CBS never did such a thing because they themselves realize it WOULD have been a hit piece. The program of liberals “you didn’t build that” and “fair share” take on a terribly different meaning given context.
The liberal press realizes America is not ready for such stark portrayals to sandbag their agenda. Conservative outlets can’t do this, they’re preaching to the choir. CBS has enough mainstream credibility that such a piece may have cost Obama the election. That’s just CBS. The media controlled this election as much as any other single factor because what you don’t do is often as important as what you DO do.
How about a 60 Minutes piece on Obama’s Cairo speech and Benghazi where it’s pointed out Obama gave a historical affirmative action slant to Islam and has worn a ring with a quote from the Koran since college? The piece also points out the White House is giving over no sensitive documents to filmmakers for a Benghazi movie. The Press. They made us eat four years and talk about ludicrous nonsense like giving a de facto amnesty to anyone who can sneak into the U.S.
The only reason the Restoration Weekend and this article are not a complete waste of time is; debate is good
Will somebody, such as VD Hanson, please explain to the republican elite, Marco Rubio, Texas republicans and Ron Radosh the long term benefits of Simpson/Mazzoli. Please!
This is war and Pericles was correct. A more recent path for victory was general Sam Houston and his steady retreat to a point where the Mexican enemy became too strung out too far and divided without abundant provisions. While the under fed and tired Mexicans were sleeping, Houston then bum rushed the Mexican army that wasn’t fighting for any other reason than conscription and the Mexican army lost the entire war in about 15 minutes.
The rest is western US history of expansion which will eventually be lost to the massive debt of entitlement in our life time over the political power spoils of modern day politics. Not because of the great new ideas being offered but due to our loudest voices are just slightly less corrupt than the opposing loud voices on the other side.
Well, the most important thing is to scrap the party that has nominated consecutive elitists since 1988. The only winners were Bush I on RR’s coattails, and Bush II because he sounds like regular person rather than an East Coast liberal.
Beyond that, Radosh’s advice that we need people who can explain why conservatism works and marxism doesn’t is correct. Romney never tried; he only talked about jobs. He hid from conservatism. It’s a miracle he got close. Other than being twice as smart as the other losers and having a better jaw line, he was bushdolemccain. Obviously, twice as smart wasn’t enough. We aren’t going to find anybody smarter, nicer, more charitable or better looking. Romney maxed out those attributes, so they don’t count for American elections (assuming that there will ever again be an American election).
And yes, immigration reform is necessary. Seems to me the winning compromise is to LOWER the requirements temporarilly for the normal proces (i.e., 5 years) and allow many of the current illegals into that process, provided they pay some restitution if they haven’t been paying taxes or obtained illegal social security numbers. That doesn’t jump them to the head of the line, but provides a relatively quick path to citizenship for those who demonstrate a desire. Anyone who doesn’t get in the process would be considered guest worker’s and not be elibible for US benefits, other than the most basic medical care. All that a rigid position that any illegal has broken the law and must be punished by deportation does is to drive them (and millions of sympathizers) into the arms of the marxists. Special consideration should be given to people born in this country as well. Of course, the fence should be built as well. Open borders are crazy.
Letting Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz lead an effort for realistic immigration reform would mean that the country might have a 2% chance of survival instead of 0% as it now stands.
It might also help if a conservative candidate would take the time to develop a coherant foreign policy. How hard can it be. 1) anybody that attacks us or our allies, and the attackers’ allies, will be destroyed. 2) we will support and be allies with nations that follow the priniples of freedom. 3) no nukes for nations or entities that have sworn to destroy us or our allies. 4) otherwise, we won’t interfere with nations that enjoy killing each other. 5) free trade with nation that have free trade; respond in kind to nations that don’t
Wrong. There should be no pathway to citizenship ie voting rights for illegals. Normalization via legal documentation perhaps….via Guest Worker program that can be rolled back, and perhaps Permanent Resident status.
Seems to me that some of the Founding Fathers must have found the slavery compromise in the Constitution to be somewhat less than an optimal solution. The result of their ability to see a greater good was a framework that revoltionized the world and under which the slaves were freed within 80 years.
You should give another thought to whether there is something short of deportating millions of people, most of whom simply came into the country to make some money to support their families, that you could live with.
Of course, I think it’s over anyway, but on the slight chance that four years won’t completely destroy the country, finding another few million votes could well be the difference between a free country and a dictatorship. I would support a LOT more than what I proposed if I thought it was a lock to do so.
Digging the hole deeper isnt the answer. The Marxist Left is importing new voters.
Tribal America
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333583/tribal-america-mark-steyn#
enjoy your serfdom.
What you are going to get for you inflexibility is total amnesty for 20 million illegals, and maybe worse…true open borders.
Those who fail to learn from history (see multiple amnesties since Reagan’s 1986)….are doomed to repeat it.
The border will remain open and mostly immigration unenforced, as it has been and shall continue to be.
Maybe we can hire those former illegal aliens now US citizens to guard the border with Mexico, heh?
These are your options, not mutually exclusive.
White Identity Politics
Male Identity Politics
Creating Parrallel Institutions
Seccession
Tax Revolt
Non-Violent Protest
Armed Revolt
Cloward Piven Strategy to bring down the Welfare State
You are on the road to serfdom….continuing down that road with Amnesty Colonization is neither wise nor prudent.
Radosh is totally wrong about social issues. Illegal aliens are called illegal aliens because that is what they are. That is what U.S. statutes refer to foreign nationals who cross the border illegally. If he doesn’t like that word he should get the law changed. Refusing to enforce the laws will only create a nation of scofflaws.
And the only reason homosexual “marriage” referendums pass is because homosexual “marriage” fanatics keep bringing them up over…and over…and over again and when one finally passes they suddenly turn around and say it’s the will of the people and we have to accept it. They never do when they are out-voted.
Radosh’s strategy is a good one – if you want to ensure continual defeats.
In other words… Surrender is not a winning strategy.
Ron, this sounds like social appeasement, particularly for item 2.
What form of “truce” do you propose? I don’t endorse vicious or toxic discourse either, but for gay marriage, I will not back down in saying that it’s wrong, and that I have the right to say so without being called a “homophobe” or social bigot. Rather than a wimpy “truce” as you propose, why don’t we start by redefining the narrative – various forces and ideologies (all of them hostile to some degree) have been at war with our civilization and Judeo-Christian heritage for at least 50 years, both covert and overt, successfully destroying moral paradigms and social mores that were in place for thousands of years, now seeking to control and govern thought and language to our detriment. If being hated is the price for speaking the truth (about anything) then so be it.
Ron, this sounds like social appeasement, particularly for item 2.
What form of “truce” do you propose? I don’t endorse vicious or toxic discourse either, but for gay marriage, I will not back down in saying that it’s wrong, and that I have the right to say so without being called a “homophobe” or social bigot. Rather than a wimpy “truce” as you propose, why don’t we start by redefining the narrative – various forces and ideologies (all of them hostile to some degree) have been at war with our civilization and Judeo-Christian heritage for at least 50 years, both covert and overt, successfully destroying moral paradigms and social mores that were in place for thousands of years, now seeking to control and govern thought and language to our detriment. If being hated and hissed at is the price for speaking obvious truths about anything, then so be it.
I’m with Judy Warner.
You can’t have a truce on social issues if the other side doesn’t want a truce.
Re It’s the Culture, Stupid: What culture are you talking about, stupid?
Re Immigration: The concept sounds fine…but isn;t. There are hundreds if not thousands of programs designed to push the Liberal = Good/Conservative = Bad mindset onto immigrants.
And as has been evidenced to a point they are working wonderfully. The libs plan is working too. They could not sell their services to the demographic of the past so they are making a new one.
And a lot of Conservatives wanna help it seems.
Re Social Issues. I am capable of blinders to a point but if the Conservative party is looking to be Democrats in all but the economy they will have trouble.
The culture as we know it is changing. We need to realize that.
If we accept a “truce” on social issues, we disarm ourselves morally and are dealing with the culture on its terms.
Indeed.
And Hedonism, Nihilism, Moral and Cultural Relativism is their game.
Ron,
Your piece could have been written in 2008. As a matter of fact, Mitt did most of what you advised, and he still lost. And you act as if “social issues” are something that can be negociated. Were the abolitionists wrong not to negociate away thier demands to end slavery? How can you ask Roman Catholics to ignore something something that they not only see as Mortal Sin (abortion), but also as a moral travesty? Ditto for homosexuality. There are many who still believe that homosexual acts are not only repugnant but highly offensive to God.
Surrendering on “social issues” and immigration is a sure path to oblivion. I’m a conservative libertarian and I’ve already got one foot out of the GOP door. Using your formuala the GOP will nominate another vanilla fiscal conservative/moral agnostic – ie a Romney. That is exactly what the Dems are hoping for.What I find interesting is that the Dems never shy away from their radicalism. Obama has governed as one of the most radically liberal/progressive Presidents in our history – and he’s proud of it. Republicans cannot say the same.
“Sarah Westwood argues that “Republicans don’t have a future unless they break up with the religious right and the gay-bashing, Bible-thumping fringe that gives the party such a bad rap with every young voter.” ”
What I find astonishing is how easy it is for people not only to play to but to fall for carcitures. I live in one of the most conservative states in the nation (Indiana), and I haven’t seen a religious bigot who actually ran for office in my 35 years of adulthood. What is even more astonishing is the fact that JFK not only won in 1960, but he won despite the religious “intolerance” of the Church he and his family belong(ed) to. The Roman Catholic Church hasn’t changed its dogma 1 iota in 53 years. Yet, today it is considered “fringe” to belief its teachings.
Perhaps it is time for Conservatives to leave the GOP. In that case the Party Lincoln built will go the way of the Whigs.
I think a return to federalism – moving the decision making from DC to the many states is a winning argument and one we ought to spend more time making. It plays well on the social side, on the small government side, and in budget cuts. And you can do it without pandering to anyone.
Here in AK, Republican registration of new voters from 18 – 32 years old averages above 2:1 that of democrats. No reason that can’t be done in other states.
Additionally, according to GWU, this time around, there were 219 voting eligible people in the US. Around 60 million voted for Obama, around another 60 million voted for Romney, leaving 99 million people who sat home. Our job as conservatives is to figure out how to get a reasonable percentage of those people to turn out and vote for conservative candidates. GWU US Elections Project link follows:
http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html
Cheers -
The Republican party has the last four years given the American people the candidates whose “turn” it was. Neither McCain nor Romney are true conservatives and neither can concisely articulate conservative principles. We keep getting candidates who are trying to placate everyone, um, like Democrats.
One thing I think would help is to get the social issues out the federal government and give them to the states. These are highly charged emotional issues and one solution will never satisfy 300M people. Give them to the states; if you don’t like the policies of a particular state, move to another — hint, hint: we can move around freely in the U.S.
Perry might have actually been the best choice. Not the greatest debater, but I think he was passionate about his views. And, while not being the quickest on his feet (Gingrich gets the award on that), he did know how to vocalize consrvatism. Romney never did. He did good the 1st debate and the last couple days, but the best candidate he was not.
Point 2 comes to the conclusion that “… we need a “truce” on emphasizing the social issues.”
In my ear, this strikes a dissonant note in what is otherwise a thoughtful list of concerns. It underscores the (exploitable) disconnect between many fiscal and social conservatives – it does seem that the former don’t have a firm grasp on what these social issues mean to the latter.
The young college Republican’s advice on this matter (referred to in the article), is that the GOP needs to:
“… break up with the religious right and the gay-bashing, Bible-thumping fringe…”.
So, if such a “truce” is ever enforced, then I suspect that many of us in this “fringe” will finally accept the conclusion that politically, we’re homeless.
On a more optimistic note, an excellent reply to the WSJ article referred to above is contained here:
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/15/a-letter-to-sarah-westwood”
In a nutshell, the young among us need to be taught how to think. Their breathtaking naivete is leading them into a very difficult future.
Eh, wonderful, why didn’t I think of that? Stop calling illegal aliens illegal aliens, and then everything will be fine. Similarly – jihadists are violent extremists, terrorism is workplace violence, etc. No. I won’t stop telling the truth.
Too many have commented about the “culture”, when what is actually keeping the Obama Regime chugging along is a CULT.
I give you the MSM as a prime example.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, everybody.
The talk about leaveing the Union is all wrong. First for it to be peaceful people needed to vote on it in each state in than general election. Quebra in Canada vote three time on leaveing Canada the voter reject it three time. What about people in each states that collect Social Security checks. What about our national hightway system than other interstuction built by our Federal Government. 85% of the muslum vote for our current president than change from when they vote 85% GOP in the past.
Mr. Radosh:
You write a lot of great columns. Unfortunately, this isn’t one of them.
Not only are your observations hackneyed, tired and expected, but worse, they’re the opposite of insightful. They’re wrong.
The Republicans Party is this.
It’s like a huge corral.
The electorate is like cattle with few running toward the safe, sane, sensible Republican corral. I say, “safe” because it’s a circle of beliefs that will save the nation.
What must we do to get all those cattle running to our open gate?
Just wait.
The Obama forthcoming years are going to ravage the nation, economically, militarily, culturally, spiritually. You get the picture.
When there is no more money to feed the electorate cows, they’ll come running back to us. When there is no more military to defend them, they’ll come running back to us. When they’re sick with not enough doctors to treat them; when they’re cold and hungry, they’ll come running back to us.
Obama has lit the fuse of a time bomb in the United States. Which will go off within the next three years. If we can hold out during that fourth year, the Democratic Party won’t be able to steal enough votes to come close to winning.
I see this future as clear as I see the rapid demise of the United States. Obama is dealing what he considers to be death blows to our nation, but he underestimates its love of freedom. We will survive. That is to say, unless we listen to harebrained, foolish, knee jerk solutions to deal with our party’s inability to get 270 electoral votes. Don’t panic.
Ron Radosh knows not of what he speaks.
Our task is to choose leaders that, once the worm turns, will actively undo the foundations of the culture that the DemocRats have made, rather than accommodate themselves to the new, shortened field of play.
The Republicans are all too often like a football team with absolutely no offense, only a defense…and that is why they are losing the struggle.
Federal subsidies to education, especially college education in useless subjects, as well as Federal meddling in K-12 schools should be first on the list.
Yeah, we’ve heard “abolish the Department of Education” since Reagan, but none have actually DONE it.
And THAT kind of failure of vision and lack of action needs to STOP.
Bingo!
Slash and burn the DOJ Civil Rights Division, too.
That nest of vipers needs to be cleared out.
What I find most fascinating here is how language like this absolutely mirrors the way the New Left Ron knows so well used to talk about the American people, politics, the possibilities of change, etc. Wonderful phrase, for instance, that “electorate cows.” Yes, that view is likely to win a lot of those “cows” over, don’t you think? And all that about the next four Obama years being the country’s “last days” that will finally show ‘em and bring ‘em around (or round ‘em up, I guess). Yes, as the New Left used to say, you’ve got to heighten the contradictions and once things are at their worst, we will start to win. It is a ludicrous combination of contempt for the very people you claim to be championing and deluded paranoia about your enemies. The next four years may not be all sweetness and light, but you are all fools if you count on your adversaries to be fools. They will probably fool you and leave you holding the bag once more.
It actually bodes well for the determined march through the institutions in reverse.
I think the country is still more evenly divided on social issues than you think. I don’t know of any older Asians who voted for Obama whose priority was gay marriage or drug legalization.
If the economy continues to sour and pessimism continues to deepen, the nation may turn more to spiritual guidance or comfort of a church. It’s human nature.
The author mentions a lot of good points. But I’m convinced that the nation as whole reach a point where the people must collectively (across all ethnic and religious lines) yearn for lower taxes, less regulation, and more emphasis on accountable spending. This won’t happen if certain industries continue to rake in money creating adult toys and the government prints out money on a whim.
Some of the suggestions in this article sound like social appeasement, particularly for item 2.
What form of “truce” do you propose? I will not back down in saying that gay “marriage” is wrong, and that I have the right to say so without being called a “homophobe” or social bigot. Rather than a “truce as you propose, why don’t we start by redefining the narrative – various forces and ideologies (all of them hostile to some degree) have been at war with our civilization and Judeo-Christian heritage for at least 50 years, both covert and overt, successfully destroying moral paradigms and social mores that were in place for thousands of years, now seeking to control and govern thought and language to our detriment. If being hated and hissed at is the price for speaking obvious truths about anything, then so be it. Suppression of free speech is and has been well underway for decades now. And whoever the moderator is, please don’t take forever to moderate my comments so that I’m effectively barred from the discussion, especially when there is nothing inappropriate therein, except that I state my views directly.
Well said!
“resoluteconservative,” you have every right to be a resolute conservative in whatever terms you like. But if you are fighting for change via the democratic process as it is structured in this particular society, you will have to deal with the realities it offers. Which means you are going to either get down on the ground and deal with people as they are, or you are going to self marginalize. If you like a holier than thou stand and want to convince yourself you are manning the ramparts alone against the enemies of civilization, fine. Enjoy your solitude. But don’t be surprised or annoyed by it. Playing the political game in a more realistic way, via a system designed never to be purely what any faction wants it to be, is not only exactly what the Founders intended, it is itself a key part of the best of our “civilization and Judeo-Christian heritage.” In fact, that heritage has never been uncontested, the past fifty years only being the latest phase of that. Being contested is itself, in fact, a fundamental part of that heritage. How gay marriage has come to seem the bedrock element of this heritage (often both to its proponents and opponents) is a mystery to me – as it would be to Socrates no doubt, who might also be considered a part of our civilizational inheritance.
As for this site taking time to moderate the discourse, what’s your big hurry? In my view, judging from the comments I see, this moderation is very light indeed. Be patient.
Senior, What you want to do is wave the big white flag, gives up on those things that matter for America. You want us to stop the thinking that gay marriage is wrong, You want that we be for abortion. Seems to me that you are wrong. We can’t win election by being more like liberals and socialists. We will be victors if we stand for conservatsive ideals.
Color me shocked. Is that racist?
The best minds of the GOP get together and decide that WHAT THE DEMOCRATS said was wrong about us is the correct analysis from which to proceed into the future.
I wish to cuss elaborately. Fill in the blanks.
Then get out of our way. You led. We lost. Now you want is to heed the advise of a group who would just as soon see our principles become extinct on this land.
More elaborate cussing.
To the GOP in the States. Muscle up federalism. This is one initiative in the article I can agree with: federalism, rough and tumble. Put the federal government and the Supremes on notice that State sovereignty will be exercised in all the areas it is allowed. To the national conservative movement. Divorce the Republican party. Oh, I’m not suggesting we abandon the good, be that ideas or candidates. But the party is financed by a wing of the party that has more in common with the Democrats. Hence, we got Restoration Weekend. We got McCain and Romney. Let the GOP paddle its own boat.
Pick four small states and elect a Libertarian to the U.S. Senate from each of them. They will control the government. Conservatives in the GOP won’t have problems working with them. The statist in both parties will shape shift into the monsters they are to stop them. That’s what needs to be done. It is the quickest, surest, least expensive way.
I have to agree with the idea that the cultural issues are vital, and not peripheral. I can’t see how a society or a civilization can be held together without a common culture. And after 40 years of cultural ‘revolution’ (or – Gerry Ford’s unhappy stab at optimism in 1976 – “many revolutions all at the same time” – there is no common culture, since assorted vital foundational elements had to be ripped out in order to create ‘social space’ for this that and the other newly-embraced demographic, under the auspices of multiculturalist relativism and a Gramscian methodology precisely designed in the 1920s to undermine the working democracies of the West in order to clear space for Leninism.
The Democratic plan in ’68 was to replace the then-shattered New Deal coalition (the Jim Crow South and urban industrial workers) with some new coalition. In the event they chose Blacks (represented not by MLK’s unitive ethos but by the late-60s Black Power separatism that kicked MLK to the curb), Women (represented by Radical Feminism – which kicked moderate Feminism out of the nest early on)), Immigrants, and the Young (the Boomers).
The first two Identities were soused with ‘revolutionary’ thought in the historically specific sense of Marxism in Content and Method; the third, under the influence of ever-mutating Multicultural relativism would trend toward ‘immigration without assimilation’, and the fouth simply didn’t know much history nor thought it important (because – to use Mary Hopkin’s marvelous lyrics from “Those Were the Days”: “we’d live the life we choose, we’d fight and never lose, for we were young and sure to have our way”).
In all respects, the overall plan trended strongly toward an increasingly totalizing federal government that overrode the more locally-involved State governments to impose whatever agendas would please its newly-erected Identity demographics, thereby creating a reasonable facsimile of Roman Imperial domestic politics of clients beholden to their patron.
At this point the common American culture has been under assault for 40 years or more; conceptually, the importation of corrosive Gramscian method as channeled through ‘humanist marxism’ (small ‘m’) and small-c communism as opposed to the Soviet captial-C Communism (can such a distinction really be valid?), has undermined any theoretical basis – let alone value – for having a common culture at all.
The core criterion underlying all the various ‘liberal’ Identity valorization is: so long as it’s not white, male, patriarchal, industrial, hegemonic and oppressive then it’s Good and Must Be Accepted Without Doubt Or Hesitation.
The Presidential election this time around gave me a sinking sensation that this Plan is finally working: there was no positive overarching common Democratic (or ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’) vision for the country. Rather, there was simply a hydra-headed appeal to each Identity’s imagined special-interests and the overall negative sense that whatever the country is becoming, it is not white, male, patriarchal, industrial, hegemonic and oppressive like it was before 1968. Generations of young and untold numbers of unassimilated immigrants have now been raised to chronological adulthood under the impression that a country can do just fine without a positive common culture (thus, simply pecking away at itself to remove putative ‘oppressions’).
Which stunning dampdream fantasy has been matched by the witless economic ‘theory’ that you can kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs and still live large on an unending supply of Golden Eggs. Or that a ‘knowledge and service society’ based on paper-shuffling and ‘creativity’ can sufficiently support a polity of 300 million or more, and that a client-politics increasingly divided into the few wealthy ‘creative’ elites and their burbling, gibbering bureaucratic and academic factotums on the one hand, and a vast enserfed underclass of leaf-blowers, barristas and nannies on the other … isn’t going to pose a lethal threat to the competences necessary to sustain a genuine working democracy.
In the service of becoming ‘tolerant’ and ‘sensitive’, too many have now believed so many impossible things before breakfast that they cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, and thus our politics have become based as much if not more on fantasy (aka ‘dreams’ and ‘visions’) than on realities. As has the Dollar, which is increasingly a thing of the mind and the imagination and the childish confidence in free-floating desire and wish.
How many engine rooms have to flood before ‘Titanic’s sinking ceases to be a dangerous possibility and becomes a mathematical certainty?
Publion,
So right on so many particulars, so wrong in general. When you say we are a people who “cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, and thus our politics have become based as much if not more on fantasy,” I suggest you include yourself in that, pronto. This election had little to do with all these bad tendencies. Most voters are every bit as unhappy with them as you. But they simply concluded Superman was more real than Mighty Mouse this time, and decided to grin and bear him one more time. Unlike you, to them four years is just another four years. You (and most of the others here) are condemning yourself to a lot of unnecessary anguish (and a failure to correct the problem in the end anyway) if you refuse to see this.
I agree that the choice between Obama and Romney confronted voters with Tweedledum and Tweedledee. By choosing to run a candidate who would play politics-as-usual (as politics has devolved in recent decades) the Republicans (as they have devolved in recent decades) allowed the inertia of incumbency to weigh heavily against them. Certainly, Obama has no ‘mandate’; one might hope that Obama, free from concerns about re-election now, will suddenly reveal himself to be the astute and competent Chief Executive of the Nation (or rather the federal government), but I think that would itself be a fantastical consolation, since he has always been steeped in a totalizing (to use Jonah Goldberg’s thought in “Liberal Fascism”) progressivism throughout his life. (Although, agreeing with Goldberg further here, I don’t think the Republicans (as they have devolved) would at this point offer too much better. )
Thus, many votes were lost to a ho-hum-and-alas consolation that we might as well stick with the devil we know and put in yet another ‘four more years’ and hope for better results next time, as you say. But I cannot accept the assertion that most voters – or a sufficient quantum of them – are at this point in our history able to distinguish fantasy from reality (although I would feel very much better by embracing that consoling possibility).
If we prescind from Goldberg’s sobering thesis that Progressivism has had us on the road to a form of federalized and governmental ‘totalitarianism’ since 1900 or so, we are still left with the fact that the 44 years since 1968 (or the almost half century since LBJ’s ascent to the Presidency) have seen numerous chronological cohorts of American young – supplemented by so many immigrants brought or allowed in by hook or by crook, often seduced by the federal ‘patron’s’ largesse and indulgence and partiality – who were raised to see ‘liberalism’ (as it has mutated and devolved in those years) as Good and – even worse – as ‘normal’.
The cumulative effect of that grossly fantastical assessment by such voters (who really were never taught much American history since it was all tainted by hegemony and oppression anyway and were never taught to think since Correctness had done all that for them and were never taught to think critically since such thinking would merely be ‘insensitive’, ‘intolerant’, ‘discriminatory’ and ‘backlashing’) resembles – using my final image in my original comment above – nothing so much as the weight of water eliminating Titanic’s reserve buoyancy as it poured aboard.
Thus I would say that the stance of ‘four more years’ is itself chimerical and fantastical; we do not have an unlimited amount of time before some sort of tipping-point is reached and passed and American culture and civilization as it was limned and structured in the full and genuine vision of the Framers mutates irretrievably into something else.
This can happen in the matter of Cultural Integrity the same way as it can happen (and perhaps has happened) in terms of fiscal integrity and the capacity to function as any sort of deliberative democratic polity at all. It is 41 years now since Nixon – 5 July 1971, in Kansas City – said in a speech to media execs that the previous 25 years (since 1945) had been a great run but it was over and we would have to get ourselves used to a multi-polar world of five (by his count) nations (he counted Western Europe as one) that resembles nothing so much as a return to the classical image of Great Power politics in the world. And a month later he unilaterally abrogated Bretton Woods and – really – the economy hasn’t done well since then, and indeed has progressively gotten worse – even as the voters were chimerically reassured by a steady flow of ‘wealth’ created by borrowing (Reagan – who turned us into a debtor nation from a creditor nation for the first time), and the various treacherous whackeries of outsourcing and then off-shoring of jobs and productive capacity (Clinton), and the expansion of easy ‘credit’ (as if it were actual and achieved ‘wealth’), and the series of intensifying Bubbles that culminated – aided by feckless government deregulation of banking and finance – in 2008. (The status of the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency and the very fiscal integrity of the government itself are the last two Bubbles, yet to burst.)
Continuing with that thought, I may have gone beyond your point in this response here; if I understand you correctly in your comment on my comment, you are simply seeking to state a fact about voters, without necessarily approving of the situation that fact would create. But I do think that even if the majority of voters were to have simply resigned themselves to four-more-years in the clear awareness that they wouldn’t be a good thing, then the underlying presumption that the country and the voters and The People still have an unlimited amount of four-year chips to play is itself an indication of the fall into phantasmagoria. And in that sense clearly repeats in a chronological way the fiscal fantasy that you can kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs and still live large on an unending supply of Golden Eggs.
Which of course has led – and who can be surprised? – to the corollary fantasy that we can go out and liberate and grab the rest of the world in order to keep ourselves going. Which, I would say, creates the death-spiral of Imperial Spain in the 17th-century: having blown through the treasure taken from the New World, that empire had to send out the troops to go and grab stuff just to make ends meet, but before long the cost of the (not always successful) military operations ate up whatever profits were gleaned. For that matter, such was the death-spiral of Imperial Rome, where towards the end (the 3rd through 5th centuries A.D., not often seen in movies or discussed in history classes) the producing small-farmers and the entire civil economy devolved into simply a life-support system for the legions, who were increasingly incapable of doing the job even of protecting the borders, let alone protecting and contributing to growth in any way whatsoever.