President Obama’s Speech to the State Department Means New Dangers for Israel
Abbas means, as he wrote in his op-ed, that he wants to pursue claims against Israel at the U.N., before human rights groups bring Israel to the International Court of Justice — all a path for sanctions against the Jewish state. He favors not a peace treaty leading to statehood, but statehood first and then negotiations, including the acceptance of the so-called “right of return.” Of course, as Diehl writes about the Palestinians, their “return to Israel would mean its demise.” In other words, the very deligitimazation of Israel that our president said today must come to an end would be realized.
So when the president starts by announcing his support for the Palestinians’ favored borders in advance of negotiations, he is actually, as Diehl writes, saying that his policy is: “Now we really have to put the screws to Netanyahu.” And he also, in effect, tells American Jews that “Abbas is ready to make peace,” which of course he is not — and this leads to the false conclusion that “Netanyahu is the problem.”
As Diehl concludes:
The record of the past several years suggests something very different. In 2008, Abbas refused to accept a far-reaching peace offer from Netanyahu’s predecessor, Ehud Olmert, even as a basis for discussion; nor would he make a counteroffer. “The gaps were wide,” he later told me in an interview. For two years he has stoutly resisted peace talks with Netanyahu, even while conceding that the nominal reason for his intransigence — Israel’s refusal to freeze settlements — was forced on him by Obama.
Abbas’s goal, of trying to transform the Arab Spring into a new mass movement against Israel, is not what President Obama seems to think the outcome of the awakening in the Middle East will lead to. Only one side — that of Fatah and Hamas — is refusing to make the kind of concessions that will lead to peace. This is why the president’s outrageous endorsement of the ’67 borders only emboldens Abbas in his intransigence, and harms the ability of Netanyahu to make necessary concessions for peace.
In yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, Israeli journalist Yossi Klein Halevi wrote that in his speech to the Knesset last week, Netanyahu ended the ideological impasse in Israel about whether or not there should be a two-state solution, and thus positioned “his Likud Party within the centrist majority that seeks to end the occupation of the Palestinians but is wary of the security consequences. There is no longer any major Israeli party that rejects a West Bank withdrawal on ideological grounds. Instead, the debate is now focused where most Israelis want it to be: on how to ensure that a Palestinian state won’t pose an existential threat to their country.”
To obtain support for this far-reaching concession, “Israel, he said, would insist on retaining the large settlement blocs near the 1967 border — and not, therefore, the smaller, isolated settlements outside the blocs. Israel, he added, would also insist on a military presence in the Jordan Valley — and not, therefore, on retaining settlements there.” Obama’s insistence on the ’67 borders, of course, interferes with precisely this decision of Netanyahu. Halevi writes:
None of this is likely to happen anytime soon. Mr. Netanyahu’s concessions aren’t enough to meet minimal Palestinian demands — and for now at least that hardly matters. Conditions for a resumption of negotiations, let alone for an agreement, couldn’t be worse. With the genocidal Hamas now aligned with the Palestinian Authority, and with PA head Mahmoud Abbas insisting on some form of return of Palestinian refugees to Israel, not even Israel’s opposition party, Kadima, would be able to reach a deal.
True, and that is why President Obama’s speech, despite its florid vision of two peoples living in peace, is so dangerous. The president spoke as if it is Israel, and not Mahmoud Abbas and Hamas, who is the obstacle to his desired two-state solution. Hence, if the Arab-Israeli conflict is not to “cast a shadow over the region” anymore, that means there should be a U.S. policy that puts pressure where it should be put — on the Palestinian Authority and not on Benjamin Netanyahu.
Israel, as Halevi puts it, will cede the right of return of Jews to a greater Israel in return for Palestinians ceding the right of return of their refugees to greater Palestine. The pragmatic hawks in power in Israel today are willing to do this; the ideological extremists of Hamas and the PA are not. Netanyahu is indeed willing to cede land for peace; the Palestinians seem instead to be ready for all-out war against Israel in defense of gaining all of old Palestine for themselves.
As we prepare to listen to President Obama’s forthcoming speech to AIPAC this coming Sunday morning, do not expect a massive ovation and cheers for the president from what is likely to be a a most skeptical and demanding audience.
Fish or cut bait time for American Jews.
Fish or cut bait time for Islam…
Call them out, denounce Mohammed, tell them they must give up the destruction of Israel as their ultimate goal…Period.
You want a country?
Its yours.
Now BE a frigging country, and stop “I must KEEL the joooos” bullshit.
Someone needs to tell those pathetic camel turds whats what.
Barack aint that guy
camel turds… funny but no, redneck…
Yes, I never could understand that whole dynamic between Jewish people and Dems.
Pithily stated!! and exactly what my husband and I were wondering. Obama has now made the same serious anti Israel mistake twice. Will the Jews of the USA still support him? 2012 is the test, if the Jewish population of the USA STILL go against their own interests and continue their blind support of the democratic party, than I fear there is no hope for them politically.
“Will the Jews of the USA still support him?”
YES…but instead of Obama getting about 78% of the Jewish vote, it’ll probably fall sharply, all the way down to, hmmm…77%. Go figure.
Obama is an enemy of Israel. He says he is a friend but his arrogant one sided plan, which have a half million Jews leave their homes to a Hamas-Fatah enemy, with 9 mile wide border would put in Israel in mortal danger.
That’s right. Obama is also the enemy of Iranian people, a good friend of Islamic regime occupying Iran and holding Iranian people hostage for 32 years. Obama is a friend of Moslems and all terrorists. He has always been an enemy of Israel because his core belief is an Islamic one. To him Israel and US has been the cause of all world’s mayhem. To us Iranians just the opposite, it is Islam and the left of the world with the support of Britain, Russia mainly, and Germany, China, France by the way of commercial trade have been the cause of the all the mayhem in the world.
Down with Obama, the left, and Islamists all over the world!!!
The President has just come out of the closet, as it were. He makes no attemtp any longer to hide which side he is on. His speak will further embolden terrorists and does not bode well for Israel or Jews around the world. If this speech doesn’t serve to wake up any Jews who supported him or even those who weren’t/aren’t sure, I don’t know what would. WAKE UP AMERICA! WAKE UP WORLD!
The president will never come out of the closet
Worst. President. Ever. Obama Hands Over Jerusalem To Hamas
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/worst-president-ever-obama-hands-over-jerusalem-to-hamas/
Worse than Carter?
I am furious, and I am not even Jewish. This is how we treat our friends? We can’t control our own borders, and won’t try, and our Muslime-in-Chief seems determined to create a worldwide Caliphate. His first step seems to be driving the Jews into the sea. What’s next – send the Palestinians Zyklon-B and gas ovens? If I were a Jew in Israel, I would take the old guns off of the walls, and keep my powder dry.
Me too Bob. I can’t think of much to say that won’t bring the FBI to my door!
Except:
I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!!
“What’s next – send the Palestinians Zyklon-B and gas ovens? ”
Bob,
Obama already has sent them that-Plenty of American weapons, military material, and a general to train them. Now Obama is setting up Israel so they are sitting ducks, allowing the Muslims to be situated close enough to massacre every man, woman, and child in Israel. And, they will.
Obama is giving our holy sites -including the Kotel (the Wailing Wall) to the Muslims. They will destroy many of them- as they have tried numerous times with the Tombs of Joseph, Rachel, Samson and others. They have been busy renaming many of them, and have had the UN pronounce them as “Mosques. This is a fact.
Rachel, one of the 4 biblical matriarchs of the Jewish people. She was the wife of Jacob, who bought the land to construct her tomb after she died giving birth to Benjamin. She is in no relation, what so ever, to the arabs. Some months ago, they went to the UN and had her tomb declared Muslim and a mosque. They now say that the Kotel was where Mohammad teathered his horse. That the Jewish Temple never existed.
This is all being done to disassociate and remove any connection of the Jews to the Land of Israel, and to further the process of destroying every trace of the Jewish people from the earth, in accordance with the Koran.
Let there be no misunderstanding of Obama’s intentions. They are clear enough.
We will all live to see another Holocaust of the Jewish people. Only this time, I do not think “I did not know” or “There was nothing I could do” is going to cut it with G-D, a second time around.
We do not have the luxury of keeping them on the wall. They are under the bed.
The United States will soon be gone (is already fading) but Israel will be here for aye.
All Americans need to cut the baiting. It needs to become more apparent that when Obama talks, no one listens to this parody of an emperor. He needs to be reminded that any authority he might claim requires respect for the sovereignty of real nations.
“The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.”
As usual Obama doesnt know his geography. If you went strictly on ’67 lines it would not be contiguous. Gaza would be isolated with no good way to get between.
Actually what he says is not different that what Israelis have been saying all along. All offers so far including Bibi’s are based on ’67 with swaps. Problem is people will stop after the first 11 words and forget about the rest.
He is making the same mistake as pefore. Arabs will agree that he is all talk. He should not make promises he is not sure of delivering on.
“The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”
I think you missed the line about “mutually agreed swaps.”
How is that different from the usual formulation that Israel has the right to demand some territory consistent with its security needs?
Obama also stated that a Palestinian state would be demilitarized.
There is no for Gaza and the West Bank to be linked contiguously and not have Israel carved in two, idiot
And who is going to demilitarize the Palestinian state, imbecile? Your boy Obama? Don’t make me laugh.
Those “mutually agreed swaps” don’t, in and of themselves, provide for secure and defensible borders. The major blocs, for example, are mostly suburbs of Jerusalem. But they don’t constitute the “high ground” Israel would need to control to prevent your garden variety terrorist from lobbing rockets at Ben Gurion Airport. Nor are they found in places needed to monitor and stem the flow of weapons across the Jordan.
“Obama also stated that a Palestinian state would be demilitarized.”
Oh, I see. Well, that changes everything.
Oh Yeah, I believe that. /sarc
I’m sorry, but why should the borders go nack to pre 67? Who attacked whom in 67? Better yet, who attacked whom on Yom Kippur in 73? Israel has already given back vast tracts of land, and this in no way has assured peace. Why is it that the Arabs have attacked Israel time and again, yet it seems that the President of the US can not think of any idea why they should suffer the consiquences of their actions.
You attack a country and lose expect the results.
Phrasing was changed somewhere to non-militarized, meaning ‘they get to keep what they have and what we trained for them.’ One of the members of this ‘security force’ organized and led the massacre of the Fogel family in Itamar.
The US has positioned itself as my enemy. I’m sorry for that. I will resist, personally.
“Obama also stated that a Palestinian state would be demilitarized”
Yep, I heard him say it: “Except for those weapons they keep sneakin’ in from Egypt & the ‘humanitarian aid’ flotillas loaded w/exploding ‘pomegranates’, I President Obama declare ‘Palestinians’ will be barred from thinking up new ways to kill Jews.” Sure, that oughta work.
The Presiident, as he has done so often during his term of office, has demeaned Israel which is, and has been since its foundation in 1948, a state where citizens, regardless of sex, have a franchise to choose their leaders. His grasp of foreign affairs is naive. He knows nothing about the history of the peoples of the Middle East; he is ignorant or uncaring of the consequences of what he has just said. Israel was attacked in 1967 by Egypt and Syria, masking themselves as the United Arab Republic. Israel defeated its opponents after bitter fighting. The President thinks he can reverse that by his “ipse dixit”. He is sadly mistaken. He has worsened the problem. He has emboldened Hamas and those advocating a violent solution. The sooner the President leaves office the better.
Obama and his administration know exactly what they are doing when they demand little Israel surrender half her highly cherished BIBLICAL and historical homeland and half of the eternal Jewish city of Jerusalem to global Islam. An illegitimate Muslim terror state implant would reduce Israel at mid-section to 9 miles wide INDEFENSIBLE, Auschwitz borders.
Obama KNOWS that the Muslims plot a Second Holocaust against Jews. Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ is a best seller in the Jew-hating Muslim Middle East and is a top-selling Eid present among Muslims in Bangladesh.
Jerusalem Mufti, Haj Amin, went to Berlin to help Hitler murder Jews.
The infamous Muslim saying: ‘First the Saturday people (Jews) and second the Sunday people (Christians). Jews are targeted first, Christians are targeted second.
Prevent the planned Second Holocaust! Not one inch of free world Jewish land to genocidal haters!
This idiot Obama is about to start a world war.
Sorry, it already started.
exactly,
so do we “invade” the entire middle east ala alexander the great? is it possible?
one unmistakable use of american force (with israeli support) to establish free speech in the entire region- give israel as much territory as they want; set up a strong presence with aircraft carrier groups in the med/black sea/persian gulf and red sea and strengthen our position in order to deal with china later on
do we even have the material to pull off something like this anymore?
do we get india in on the action; do we try to take out north korea? or do we need to go to the verge and see who blinks?
Take Back Your Plan
—apologies to “Take Back Your Mink” by Frank Loesser
We fought for the land more than four decades ago
And gave back some in our long quest for peace
The Sinai, and Gaza, and the Temple Mount
To the Arabs foolishly released
But if you imagine that bought us goodwill
Then you just don’t know the Middle East
And we’re sick and tired of being fleeced
Take back your plan
Your “peace process”
It’s an also-ran
And we are not impressed
Take your “accords”
And your “right of return”
They’re empty words
All of which are rightly spurned
You know we’d like to just live here peacefully
Though our neighbors are Islamists
But the concessions proposed so fatuously
Just subject us to terrorists
So take back your plan
There’s no use being vexed
You know you can’t have a “peace partner”
Who only rejects
Take back your plan
Your “peace process”
It’s an also-ran
And we are not impressed
Take your “accords”
And your “right of return”
They’re empty words
All of which are rightly spurned
You know we’d like to just live here peacefully
Though our neighbors are Islamists
But the concessions proposed so fatuously
Just subject us to terrorists
So take back your plan
With all of its text
And don’t you raise an eyebrow
When the land we’ve annexed
Well, wouldn’t you?
Face it. Obama wants Israel wiped off the map.
Actually, this seems to be another “kick the can down the road” speech. With Mitchell gone, who exactly is going to do the talking? Clinton? It’s election season now, and money talks, BS walks.
This is a President who not only leads from behind, he talks out of it as well.
Take out the hopey-changey flourish…which is the first order of business with Rashid Khalidi’s dear friend, and you are left with a clear cut wedge between peace and Israel’s security.
I don’t know what was on the tape that the LA Times is holding hostage, but it might clear up the “mystery” about where this administration and the top leaders within it, much of the marxist enclave in Europe …and ALL of the radical Islamists would like to see happen to Israel. The left despises Israel and it is making less and less of an effort to conceal that fact.
If Bibi felt alone that night in the White House at dinnertime, it is nothing in comparison to the back of the hand he is getting from The United States of Amarxica.
AIPAC will hear double talk on Sunday…and then it will have to fight off J Street’s distortions, Soros’ manipulations of facts, the lapdog media’s obfuscations, Abe Foxman’s limp-wristed and mealy-mouthed fence sitting and European piling on.
Bibi is alone. Very alone.
And, I …could not be more ashamed.
The CFR controlled US government has betrayed Israel. Israel must hold fast until the 2012 elections.
For the United States to support a terrorist state recognized by the global Marxist body called the UN will bring a much greater curse on us, and the world than the last few years of irregular weather, and earthquakes.
Obama is a typical Muslim, he hates Jews. The next presidential election can’t come soon enough.
“New dangers for Israel” For Israel?!? What about for America?
I’m a big fan of Israel, don’t get me wrong. I agree pretty much completely with Ron’s analysis. And so I say the above with tongue in cheek, because I want to explore a part of this that hasn’t been discussed yet.
Obama spent the first part of his term pushing his Wilsonian, multiculturalist view that each ethnicity has its own unique way of running things and who is big bad evil America to go pushing our values on others? This was the whole point of his “Apology Tour” and his Cairo speech: that dictatorships, militant theocracies, and torture and executions of gays, minorities and political dissidents was no longer a problem for America. In that context, selling out Israel was just business; a way to ingratiate himself with the far more numerous and wealthy muslim world.
So now that he’s suddenly a Bush-style democracy crusader again, how does he square his opposition to Israel? Well, it’s actually classic middle-eastern politics: side with whomever you think is winning! In this case, the student protestors. Without offending powerful Iran, mind you.
The problem is that this is terrible for America. The US has bases of power in every strategic region in the world– allies who we are so firmly married to that we can act in unison to project our power and influence events in our favor. The UK in Western Europe, Israel in the middle east, taiwan in east Asia, (and Georgia in the caucuses was shaping up to become such an ally). The Obama strategy has been to abandon and alienate each of these key allies– often with no discernable rationale. Israel is neither the first nor even the most important of these self-defeating betrayals, but in Israel we see the consequences.
Obama sees our hold over half-hearted allies like the Saudis to be obstructed by Israel, but the truth is that it’s the opposite. These are countries that, like Obama, want to follow the Strong Horse. With a weakened Israel, even if it somehow remains in our camp, who will restrain Iran? Who will counter Islamism? The saudis (and others) are survivors; with no credible threat against them from us, and no counterweight for them to use against Iranian influence, they will inevitably drift into Iran’s orbit.
I used to wonder if Obama’s litany of betrayals and mis-steps were the result of a plan to reign in America’s global influence, out of both a leftist hostility towards american exceptionalism and a chilly calculation that our superpower status costs us more than it returns. However, these latest moves are the worst of both worlds: we hitch our wagon to an open-ended commitment even as we abandon the moral and strategic high ground. Now I’m convinced it’s just amateurism at work.
Discriminately stated.
I keep saying it, but people keep acting surprised. Whether he’s some sort of “secret Muslim” or not (I seriously doubt it…the only person he seems capable of worshiping is Barack H. Obama), the current President of the United States is objectively pro-Islamist and doesn’t much care for Jews. Whether they be Israeli Jews or in other locations. He proves this over and over again, and people still gasp as if this is some new terrible thing he’s done. No. This is who this guy is. Period.
And apparently brain-damaged American Jews keep giving him money and votes. (I’ve no idea if they are actually brain-damaged or not, but some sort of mental disfunction would seem to be required for this sort of self-hating behavior.) Sometimes I’m not sure who hates Israel more – Palestinians or leftwing American Jews. It’s a close run thing either way.
“Brain-damaged” is close enough. Also “gripped in a fantasy-based liberal interpretation of Jewish needs” would work – except if you tell them they should have some Jewish self-interest they immediately start cringing and tell you to ‘get past your hatred.’
I’d like to be a fly on the wall during Bibi’s meeting with Oblama.
Me, too
……… and I hope Bibi tells Obama something that is clearly, and universally understood, without any misinterpretation, with a single, raised finger.
Obama does not understand the whole middle east conflict. Time and time again it has been documented it is the so called Palestinians(not really since there was never a country called Palestine) who have no desires to make peace with Israel. This whole thing is not about the 1967 borders. It is more about the creation of the state of ISrael in 1948. When you understand this then you know there can never be peace in this region. Obama and the rest of his croonies refuse to recognize this. Obama has not asked anything from the Abbass and whatever his stupid name is. Its all about blaming us JEWS for everything that is wrong in this region. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
Obama to Israeli Jews: Drop Dead!
Obama to American Jews: give me your vote in 2012, then drop dead!
Obama is a very evil and dangerous man. I sincerely hope that the marxist muslim pile of excrement currently stinking up the white house will be voted out in 2012, or both America and Israel will be finished.
Exactly!!! Obama is a very dangerous person to both Israel, America and to the other western countries. His dream of a free and democratic ME means a world under a Caliphate rule. Obama is not naive. His friends the Muslim brotherhood disguising as lovers of democracy are for a Sharia government, an Islamic world. He has shown his feelings during his Cairo speech against Israel and acted rudely during the first visit of Netanhayu and the second time now. This is no accident, this is intentional. Obama carries an ancient spirit of old in him that despises God by blaspheming the scriptures of the Holy Bible during one of his speeches and highly regarding the Koran. Make no mistake, Obama is the anti-Christ.
ASDF raises some good points.
Israel is a side issue here anyway. It has nothing at all to do with the revolutions and from what I hear from Arabs in interviews is not really on their minds right now.
He planted his stance firmly in quicksand by even bringing it up.
Then again what has he really offered here. Not much. Vauge offers of aid did not require a global speech to present. The rest is lofty rhetoric and people are tired of that.
He should have gone directly for the Syria – Iran – Hezbolla axis. But no just a bunch of flowery crap and a diversion about Israel which will go the same place every single offer of peace to the Palestinians goes.
He should have played golf today. The world would have been better for it.
During the Cold War the following question was often quietly asked: Have you ever seen a Russian out think a Jew?
Today, the President of The United States told the people of Israel to commit suicide.
I look forward to the tribes response.
HooRah!
obama is the worst president ever. I hope those who voted for the guy are ruing the day.
I think the 77% of Jewish voters who chose him on their ballot might now be in that group.
On second thought I must say I kind of doubt it. The Jewish vote has been solidly Democrat for some time now. No reason to suspect a change of stripe, I think it’s too deeply embedded.
Glad you went for the “second thought” Ken C…thinking a very high percentage of Jews won’t vote for the Dem would be like saying 96% of blacks won’t vote for Obama AGAIN. Is there ANYTHING Obama could do (or NOT do) that would keep those 96% from voting for him? Nah, NOTHING!
If the Palestinian Arabs rejected the U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan in 1947 in favor of civil war, then how can Abbas pursue claims in the U.N. against Israel?
He can and will. He has enough momentum now that they can pursue the policy of unilateral declaration of state with contested borders. They can rightly point out that Israel itself is not different in principle.
This is very savvy move as is the paper thin reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas. Current Israeli government has done well in defensive moves but cannot stop what is on the horizon.
There is no good reason for whatever passes for Palestinian leadership to negotiate now. They cannot really given what they are committed to.
Battle lines are being drawn. Obama made a huge mistake in this speech. This should not be the focus at this time. Too many ships wrecked on those rocky shores.
Reaffirm your commitment to negotiated peace and you have said your one line then move on to what matters in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran that is where it matters now.
Media here focusing on what they have known. Israel Palestinian blah blah … They don’t get it at all.
What’s Yiddish for “Rube”?
That would be “schmuck”….
Technically “Schlemiel”, “Nar”, or “Shnook”, but I think I agree most with Shmuck or even “Momser” (Bastard).
Regime-change in Tehran would go a long way in moderating the intractability of the Palestinians towards the existence of an Israel.
It’s too bad that State and the White House are so blinded by their preconceived notions of what needs to be done in the ME.
You would think that Mitchell’s embarrassed resignation would have let a little reality into those closed corridors?
But, that would be expecting too much.
Are any of you really surprised that Obama would choose to stand with his Muslim brothers? And, will any of you be surprised to see that NY and Hollywood Jews will continue to support Obama and stand with their communist brothers?
Will American Jews, with their relentless, ingrained, pathological leftyism, be satisfied with anything short of delivering up Israel’s head on a platter to Hamas? (Anyone want to bet against Ezra Klein’s and Peter Beinart’s calling the speech “A major step forward”?) Will they continue to support the Empty Emperor who will grinningly take their dumb money and votes as he stabs their fellow Jews in the back? Says O: “Herd the six million into a smaller concentration camp, where it will be easier to finish them off.” But it’s all worth it for “social justice” and the destruction of evil capitalism, right? Soros must be popping champagne corks right about now.
You’re right on schedule. In the Daily Beast. I won’t give a link– they don’t deserve the traffic– but I will give you a helpful summary: Beinart basically tries to claim that Bush was never for democracy in the middle east, that Obama has always been for it, and did you see what Israel was wearing? They were totally asking for it.
To the State of israel: You have friends, and frankly we need you to play your part so that the page can be turned from what we are saddled with, to a stance where Amalekites are on the receiving end of more than a warning.
Expecting the current chief deformed soul inside the Beltway (the one with the only desk in the Oval Office) to change his ways of trying to have it both ways – well, there is a Yiddish word for it. The word is meshugah.
the west has been prolonging the peace since Israel’s inception.
IMAGINE IF THE USA TOLD THE ARABS AND THOSE THAT CALL THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS THAT ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO IT’S LAND AND ANY LAND TAKE AS A RESULT OF ARAB ATTACKS ON ISRAEL.
IMAGINE THAT!!! THE JOKE IS THAT THE WEST KEEPS PUSHING ISRAEL TO MAKE CONCESSIONS WHEN THERE IS NO RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR THOSE CONCESSIONS.
NEGOTIATE WHAT? THERE IS NOTHING.
It appears that all is going as God planned. The last thing left is the Army of the North to join the combined forces of Satan. After that takes place we can begin the countdown of the last days.
Let’s tell it like it is: Obama is more dangerous to both Israel and the US than Osama ever was.
Jesus Christ, can’t we be honest and start calling Palestinian’s by their rightful name…Displaced Jordanians. Even that fat assed gay boy from Egypt, Arafat knew that when he tried to take over Jordan and kick out their phony king.
Though Jordan today is majority Palestinian, it’s hardly evident that most Palestinians are Jordanian in origin. (Trans)Jordan, of course, didn’t exist until 1922, at which point the small number of Jews then resident in what was briefly the eastern Mandate for Palestine were kicked out and their settlements seized. (It’s been Judenrein ever since.) So yes, in a way Jordan *is* Palestine.
Speaking historically, in the early 19th century the area was mostly wasteland with scattered villages, and a few larger towns like Jerusalem (already majority Jewish by 1860). By the turn of the last century, as Jews started returning and resettling, that became a magnet for scattered in-migration from the North African Maghreb as well as points east. Bedouins of course continued to traverse the territory from the Sinai and what are today Jordan and Saudi Arabia. By the end of World War I, most of the Palestinian Arabs considered themselves Southern Syrians or even as Ottomans, though the Empire was no more. During the 1930s and 1940s, with the implementation of the British White Papers restricting Jewish immigration, further Arab in-migration was not just tolerated but *encouraged* by the British. Today, the names of many self-described “Palestinians” exposes their origins in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and even Saudi Arabia.
As it happens, one Jordanian writer argued recently that if the Hashemites (whose origin is Arabia) were overthrown or even if the Palestinians in Jordan were simply given full and equal rights as citizens, not only *could* Jordan become Palestine, but it *should*!
Flipside, it is unfair, ahistoric and inaccurate to say that the Palestinians are simply misplaced Jordanians. Some are misplaced Lebanese. Or Syrians. And the Gazans are displaced Egyptians.
Actually, there is nothing new or radical in the president’s plan:
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2009/06/creating-palestine.html
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2010/01/creating-palestine-part-2.html
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2010/06/putting-israel-in-perspective.html
What needs to be clear is a simple principle: whatever agreement is reached regarding a permanent settlement for Palestinians, any subsequent attack on Israel will be met as an act of war and responded to as such. That means no more so-called anonymous “terrorists” or “protest marchers” invading Israel. Once borders are illegally breached, that is an act of war.
What thinking person believes the Palestinians want peace? This is and always has been the most absurd issue. Seems every American president since Carter wants to or thinks he can pull off the big peace plan. Every single time, the Palestinian side renegs and f*cks it all up. It’s astonishing, really. Obama is a big enough idiot already without stepping into this pile of dung with both feet. Jeez.
… and then there is the pathology behind all of this:
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2010/08/stopping-bullies.html
He said, “The United States believes that . . .”
The United States does not believe that.
let’s look at this in context.
99.99% of that part of the world belongs to arabs, muslims.
the tenuous strip remaining is held by Israel.
so, the solution to the problem of the arabs wanting the rest, and wanting
to kill all the inhabitants, and a solution
that will cause peace to erupt, is to give muslims so much of the rest
as to make Israel’s situation untenable, militarily.
yeah, you gotta give it to odumbo. he is consistent. always wrong and
always against America and her allies.
Ronnie: To respond to your blog (rather than engage your intemporate responders).
1) I’m of the impression that the two state solution always implies an adjustment to the 1967 borders. I think, then, you’re over interpreting the call. As for the rest I’m totally confused. I always thought that Bush was for the quartet 2 state solution. You say that Obama conitnues that policy, but somehow it betrays Israel.
I’m sure Obama’s announcement was music to the State Dept. staff’s ears!
Do you suppose Mossad has considered the benefits of regime change in the US?
Is that Israeli “Hope and Change”?
Count me in!
Hey – let’s not get all that excited. Obama is working with Netanyahu. Hamas – Fattah Union gets encouragement from Obama’s pre-1967 border pull back. Netanyahu’s game plan – no pullback. Hamas-Fattah retaliates on Obama’s call for the border pull back and starts the rocket barage with talk of the third intifada that 70% of the Palestinians expect. Now Israel gets a chance to get a 2 for 1 wipeout (Hamas/Fattah) which takes not only the border issue off the table but the mad dog regimes of Syria and Iran walk away with their tails between their legs. This also is a warning for Egypt as well. Great job Obama – 2 for 1. Nobel peace prize #2??
This all but guarantees nuclear war in the not too distant future. No way can Israel fight wars on all fronts, without them, and survive.
Never underestimate the ability of Arab armies to “Suck” and fold like a cheap suitcase. Why do you think the Arab world has adopted terrorism as their chief means of fighting?
So the myth of “Palestinian” as a distinct Arab tribe or whatever you wish to call these camel turds continues. I find it amazing that they can call themselves Palestinian and get away with it. I’ve yet to find an equivalent to the P sound in the Arabic language.
So tell me – how can that be?
The ‘Palestinian’ is a rag-tag collection of Egyptian Syrian and other Arabic gypsies who found themselves camping out in someone else’s lands (The Israelites) for nearly 1500 years – until the rightful heirs of that land finally came home to claim what was theirs from time immemorial. And what did these squatters do with the land they were squatting on? Not much by all accounts – scraping out a living in the dust and sand. Not until the true owners of the land came to reclaim it did it begin to once again bloom and show promise. This is what irks the Arabs as much as anything. Prosperity pisses them off. How is it the Arabs can’t be so prosperous? Must have something to do with their religion me-thinks.
From Palestinefacts.org:
““The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
This is provable history. The myth of the Arabic ‘Palestinian’ is just that – a myth. Lets stop this bullshitting around about history and tell it like it is.
Well the line is drawn in the sand. I am not a Jew but I choose to stand with them, and against what the President of the United States stands for.
Let’s be honest here;
Obama hates the jews because they are a legitimate minority that has lifted themselves up by their bootstraps, become a successful diaspora, haven’t had to become an “ethnic minority industry” to flourish, limit their personal participation in government handouts, are successful at holding out against parasites, and make the American black clique look bad.
In this respect, he is totally hard line; a la Jesse Jackson and Rev. Wright and their “Black Theology”. (WTF is that anyway?)
There’s a world war knocking on the door and Obama is telling his maid to let them in, because he thinks he can step up to tele-prompter and impress them with his “intelligence”.
I sincerely hope that a significant proportion of Obama’s sycophants are aware of what’s coming out of
Obama’s “Black Liberation Mouth”.
1945-48 Jews come out of concentration camps and 1,000 years of on again, off again pogroms, bigotry. Make Israel, no help, no psychic hangover, tremendous odds, no welfare, no post-traumatic slave syndrome, no affirmative action.
Total: 3 years. Result: nation.
1965-2011 Black Americans emerge from Jim Crow, 300 years slavery/2nd class status, with welfare, affirmative action, post-traumatic slave syndrome, generational hangover, special programs, loads of targeted Federal money.
Total: 46 years. Result: hip-hop/squat – angry as ever.
Conclusion: There is no replacement for actual, real and deadly oppression in a harsh environment combined with a value system that punishes failure rather than rewards it to achieve success.
Projection: continued success for Israel, continued failure for race and blame obsessed black Americans.
I concur.
And if the Arabs need any more land to squat on for prayer? Look what they’ve done with the land and countries they already inhabit.
If it weren’t for the Greeks and Romans, the Arabs would still be covering their excrement like cats.
Oboma cares as much 4 the Americans as he does the Jews. The Bible predicts such times as these in the last days . Just maybe oboma is the fore runner before the anti-christ comes on the scene!!!!!! If this is the case then we as a whole need to make sure we are ready for what the bible predicts as the rapture of the Church !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
–haven’t read the thread yet, so may be repeating this FoxNew’s Brett Baier just-now shocker: that Israeli diplos had specifically requested they be notified of any late additions to the upcoming talks, and that the US diplos had agreed. Then of course, that promise broken –no, vaporized –no doubt part of the admin’s continuous staging of the ”paranoid Israel” parable.
“Sure,” Obama is saying to Israel, “…I may enjoy setting you up for jokes, like making your PM on cue hop on one leg doing double-takes for the cameras –but on the big things, you can trust me! Yassirree, you can count on ole Obama, your friend to the end.”
Unfortunately, many Jews will still vote for Obama.
Why you ask? Liberals run on fear. Jews think if they vote for the popular guy they will be less hated. End of story.
It’s a form of reaction formation. That’s why they blather on about Tikkun Olam, as if the cornerstone of Judaism is helping the poor!
It’s about Torah and faith.
I don’t think Obama is necessarily motivated by anti-Semitism; he thinks like current Europeans are who believe bringing peace to the Middle East is the “right thing to do.” Whether the land “belongs” to the Jews is just mumbo-jumbo, ancient stuff that makes people irrational.
Peace with the Palestinians; that’s rational.
Peace with the terrorists Hamas, and the PLO is rational? I’ll take the mumbo-jumbo over moon god worshiping POS terrorists.
Have a good day,
The idea that peace with Muslims is possible is irrational.
Agree completely.
Poor Barry, he thinks an ally is a weight loss pill. Surely his 15 minutes are up already.
I don’t think Obama is necessarily motivated by anti-Semitism; he thinks like current Europeans are who believe bringing peace to the Middle East is the “right thing to do.”
Nice try…but phony “peace-lovers” aside, Obama & those “current Europeans” are just plain anti-Semites.
if I were AIPAC, I’d rescind the invitation to Obama to speak this weekend. since they’re unlikely to do that, the next best thing would be for the attendees at the speech to simply turn their backs to him while he blathers on about how much he loves Israel.
and if I were Bibi, I’d fly home early and cancel the meet and greet at the White House. according to Charles Krauthammer, the WH basically promised the Israelis there would be no new policy announcements, and then this today. what a slap in the face.
remember, this is the guy who said at a PASSOVER SEDER that the Exodus story is really kinda about the “Arab Spring”! the only thing Obama knows about Judaism is what he learned from Rev. Wright.
we get it, Barry: you don’t like Jews. why don’t you just throw a shoe at someone and get it over with?
“…so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”
For BOTH states? He must be joking, as if the Palestinians would need the same guarantees that borders would be respected as Israel does. Enough of this moral equivalence.
I think Israel should pick a border it can defend, strip mine the boundary down to bedrock, put up a wall, and add two layers of lethal electric fencing with land mines in between. Once boundaries of Israel are set with an exclamation point, Israel should never let Arabs work in Israel, using relatively benign non-muslim Asians to replace their labor. There is no point in negotiating with the Arabs.
Maybe the US could play a constructive role in getting the surrounding Arab countries to grant citizenship to the “Palestinian Refugees” who have lived all their lives in those surrounding countries.
“I Dream of Jeannie/Harum Scarum” Disney theme park in West Bank.
Palestinian Arabs dress like Ali Baba and Aladdin and Sinbad and sell magic lamps and flying carpets.
Palestinian Arabs become rich and dissolute – Phillipinos, Indians and Indonesians flock to West Bank for jobs. Palestinian Arabs disappear.
What’s the problem?
Obama is just participating in one of those annual Arabic rites of spring.
http://thegopnet.com/pages/afb/cart_61.php
I saw Obama’s first draft of this speech where he said they should go back to their 1940 German borders.
This news is a death threat to America, we must not be found screwing the Jews. God will take us out like He did the British, it has already begun… look at the freedoms that are now flushing down the toilet.
Instead, I DEMAND that our Jug Eared leader give Louisianna back to the French. It’s flooded anyway.
Only a muslim sympathizer like 0bama would insist Israel roll back to the 1967 borders.
Hey Israel- with friends like the US, who needs enemies, eh?
What did you expect from a president named Hussein?
Abba Eban described the fragility of Israel’s 1949-1967 map as Israel’s “Auschwitz” lines.
http://www.mefacts.com/outgoing.asp?x_id=10191
Therefore The New York Times headline
Obama Endorses 1967 Borders for Israel
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middleeast/20speech.html?_r=1&hp
should have read
Obama Endorses “Auschwitz” Borders for Israel
Why can’t the media say the truth?
I believe the new policy was the cause of George Mitchell to resign. Perhaps he was the was the last sensible man, with honor in the administration.
Once again it is Obama’s knee jerk reaction to side with the radicals. Yes, those poor palestinians had to watch Israel create something from the wasteland taken back from them. Those poor folks got nothing, of course they are angry.
I hope and pray that all Netanyahu has to do is stall until the elections when Obama can be returned to the hood….
No, Sir. It is YOU, who does not “UNDERSTAND”.
To all of my USEFUL IDIOT, Jewish “Older Cousins”, I say: What did you THINK he was gonna do?
Born to a Muslim/Marxist Father and an Atheist/Communist Mother. Raised in Muslim Indonesia, til the age of 11. Attended MUSLIM SCHOOLS. At Muslim Schools they ;teach’: “Look out! There’s a JEW behind that rock! KILL HIM! He attended MOSQUE. “Death to America! Death to Israel! He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and prayed to a Muslim God of MURDER, RAPE, MUTILATION and CRUELTY, 5 times a day.
He sat in the Pews of a Vicious RACIST, ANTI-SEMITE, for 20 Years. Had him perform his Marriage. Had him Baptize his children in to his Church of HATE. He attended the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s Rallies. His wife is FRIENDS with the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s wife. He started his Political Career, in the living room of Domestic Terrorists, and well known JEW HATERS – Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They have already tried to get one “Aid Boat” past the Israeli Blockade, and are readying another. Skip Gates. The Black Panthers. PLO Recruiter Khalid Rashidi. The L.A. Times is still REFUSING to release the VIDOE, that they have, of Barack Hussein Obama, at his good friend, Khalid the Jew Killer’s Going Away Party. I wonder why they won’t release it? Don’t you?
And, of course, who can forget, the Piasse de Resistance?
If you’d like, you can go to the Official Web Site of HAMAS, and purchase for yourself, a Drinking Mug, emblazoned with the face of ABU HUSSAIN. aka Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro.
HAMAS believes that Obama has been sent by Allah to DESTROY THE JEWS. They have given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN. His picture on the Mugs, has him in an ARAB Hat, with the Traditional Checkered Dish Rag around his neck.
THEY BELIEVE that he is the DELIVORER!
And with his SPEECH, yesterday, they just might be on to something.To all of my USEFUL IDIOT, Jewish “Older Cousins”, I say: What did you THINK he was gonna do?
Born to a Muslim/Marxist Father and an Atheist/Communist Mother. Raised in Muslim Indonesia, til the age of 11. Attended MUSLIM SCHOOLS. At Muslim Schools they ;teach’: “Look out! There’s a JEW behind that rock! KILL HIM! He attended MOSQUE. “Death to America! Death to Israel! He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and prayed to a Muslim God of MURDER, RAPE, MUTILATION and CRUELTY, 5 times a day.
He sat in the Pews of a Vicious RACIST, ANTI-SEMITE, for 20 Years. Had him perform his Marriage. Had him Baptize his children in to his Church of HATE. He attended the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s Rallies. His wife is FRIENDS with the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s wife. He started his Political Career, in the living room of Domestic Terrorists, and well known JEW HATERS – Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They have already tried to get one “Aid Boat” past the Israeli Blockade, and are readying another. Skip Gates. The Black Panthers. PLO Recruiter Khalid Rashidi. The L.A. Times is still REFUSING to release the VIDOE, that they have, of Barack Hussein Obama, at his good friend, Khalid the Jew Killer’s Going Away Party. I wonder why they won’t release it? Don’t you?
And, of course, who can forget, the Piasse de Resistance?
If you’d like, you can go to the Official Web Site of HAMAS, and purchase for yourself, a Drinking Mug, emblazoned with the face of ABU HUSSAIN. aka Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro.
HAMAS believes that Obama has been sent by Allah to DESTROY THE JEWS. They have given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN. His picture on the Mugs, has him in an ARAB Hat, with the Traditional Checkered Dish Rag around his neck.
THEY BELIEVE that he is the DELIVORER!
And with his SPEECH, yesterday, they just might be on to something.
To all of my USEFUL IDIOT, Jewish “Older Cousins”, I say: What did you THINK he was gonna do?
Born to a Muslim/Marxist Father and an Atheist/Communist Mother. Raised in Muslim Indonesia, til the age of 11. Attended MUSLIM SCHOOLS. At Muslim Schools they ;teach’: “Look out! There’s a JEW behind that rock! KILL HIM! He attended MOSQUE. “Death to America! Death to Israel! He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and prayed to a Muslim God of MURDER, RAPE, MUTILATION and CRUELTY, 5 times a day.
He sat in the Pews of a Vicious RACIST, ANTI-SEMITE, for 20 Years. Had him perform his Marriage. Had him Baptize his children in to his Church of HATE. He attended the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s Rallies. His wife is FRIENDS with the JEW HATING, Louis Farrakhan’s wife. He started his Political Career, in the living room of Domestic Terrorists, and well known JEW HATERS – Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. They have already tried to get one “Aid Boat” past the Israeli Blockade, and are readying another. Skip Gates. The Black Panthers. PLO Recruiter Khalid Rashidi. The L.A. Times is still REFUSING to release the VIDOE, that they have, of Barack Hussein Obama, at his good friend, Khalid the Jew Killer’s Going Away Party. I wonder why they won’t release it? Don’t you?
And, of course, who can forget, the Piasse de Resistance?
If you’d like, you can go to the Official Web Site of HAMAS, and purchase for yourself, a Drinking Mug, emblazoned with the face of ABU HUSSAIN. aka Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro.
HAMAS believes that Obama has been sent by Allah to DESTROY THE JEWS. They have given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN. His picture on the Mugs, has him in an ARAB Hat, with the Traditional Checkered Dish Rag around his neck.
THEY BELIEVE that he is the DELIVORER!
And with his SPEECH, yesterday, they just might be on to something.
Netanyahu is complaining because when Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 they were promised in writing that the US would not make the pre-67 ceasefire lines the basis of the peace plan.
The Israelis agreed to expel thousands of Jews from their homes, and leave military bases that prevented terror attacks, which led to terrorists launching missiles into Israel. In exchange we promised them they would not be forced to do the same again in the west bank.
Obama ripped up that promise. Obama just proved that US allies cannot trust promises from the US government.
So why should they withdraw again now in exchange for more empty promises?
There must be a final settlement going back to the 1967 border issue. Israel’s fear is that if it is returned – will that be a permanent solution? What happens if the skirmishes breaks out again?. Do they (Israel) have to capture the strategic borders for their survival.
Obama is on the right tract. Israel is surroundered by the Muslim world and now that the revolution is going one in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and in other areas, how is Israel going to face the new sistuation by keeping the captured lands?
There must be some give and take. Can start with gradual cessation of captured terrorities with a broad dateline.
Hope the future generation of Palestinians will live in peace.
America has become the most racist, bigoted country in the world thanks to Obama! Racist Americans (conservatives, republicans, tea party) hate having a black man as president, they’re willing to support a leeching country like Isreal! If Obama loses in 2012, Racism will win! Only bigots stand with Isreal!
Netanyahu is a bigot scumbag, Stateman my ass!
Obama said NOTHING NEW in his Middle East policy speech. IN FACT, the policy of every US administration since 1949 has been that Israel’s borders are those borders established by the Armistice of 1949.
For example, here is the text of a 2004 Congressional Resolution authored by Tom Delay (R,TX) passed in support of comments by President Bush in which he stated that Israel’s borders are the 1947 and 1967 borders.
In 2004, U.S. House Approved A Return To Borders That Reflect “Mutually Agreed Changes” To “The Armistice Lines Of 1949.” House Concurrent Resolution 460, sponsored by then-Majority Leader Tom Delay (R-TX) and approved by the U.S. House in 2004, stated:
Whereas the United States is hopeful that a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be achieved;
Whereas the United States is strongly committed to the security of Israel and its well-being as a Jewish state;
Whereas Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has proposed an initiative intended to enhance the security of Israel and further the cause of peace in the Middle East;
Whereas President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Sharon have subsequently engaged in a dialogue with respect to this initiative;
Whereas President Bush, as part of that dialogue, expressed the support of the United States for Prime Minister Sharon’s initiative in a letter dated April 14, 2004;
Whereas in the April 14, 2004, letter the President stated that in light of new realities on the ground in Israel, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949, but realistic to expect that any final status agreement will only be achieved on the basis of mutually agreed changes that reflect these realities. [H. Con. Res. 460, 6/23/04]
Want some more: Okay — here you go:
In 2005, Bush Stated: “Any Final Status Agreement Must Be Reached Between The Two Parties, And Changes To The 1949 Armistice Lines Must Be Mutually Agreed To.” From Bush’s statement during a May 26, 2005, press conference with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
How about this:
In 2008, Then-Israeli Prime Minister Edud Olmert Stated That Israelis Must “Return To The Core Of The Territory That Is The State of Israel Prior To 1967.” On the anniversary of the death of Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by an Orthodox Jew opposing the Oslo Accords, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert stated: “We must give up Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem and return to the core of the territory that is the State of Israel prior to 1967, with minor corrections dictated by the reality created since then.”
Perhaps you people who are attacking Obama’s 1967 borders comments would do better to spend some time learning your Middle Eastern history before displaying your ignorance.
“New dangers for Israel”? First, if you believe the Hebrew Scriptures, it is written that the name “Israel” was given to the house of Joseph(Gen. 48:16), but they lost such knowledge because they broke the Sabbaths Covenant made with them when they were given the name Israel! Second, Judah was only promised the Messiah according to Scriptures. Isn’t it interesting that Jews, Islam, and Marxist’s are Anti-Christs? The Bible clearly identifies a coming caliphate of Islamic countries as being the “Beast” in Revelation! However, it also notes that the actual “Anti-Christ” rides the “white horse” of war against Israel by the seed of Joseph, but to include Judah too! Isn’t it even more interesting that the UN functions under the Marxist Manifesto, just like China, and has a white horse emblem and NOT a dove? The next significant event looks as if the Two-Witnesses of Revelation, Chapter 11 are not very far away? We will not know the exact year that the 3 1/2 years of tribulation starts until the correct fall Feast of Trumpets(War)occurs and these Two-Witnesses discussed in Revelation appear, which even could be in the fall of this year, but I expect it rather to begin in the fall of 2012? Watch!