Will American Jews Accept the Obama Administration’s “Charm” Offensive?
That morning, however, the newspapers had headlines noting that the administration was asking for a softening of proposed sanctions so that Russia and China, two nations that do not want to jeopardize their trade deals with Iran, could sign on.
Clinton stressed the importance of the so-called “proximity talks,” although shrewd observers have all noted that they are likely to lead nowhere. Both Richard Haas and Aaron David Miller recently wrote powerful essays about what Miller calls “the false religion of Mideast peace,” something that Clinton continually invoked, without addressing their concerns. Both men, formerly “realists” and believers in the peace process, now realize its chimerical value. Instead, she offered her audience what Marty Peretz correctly called big clichés “that are the mark of Obama’s foreign policy.”
At Commentary’s “Contentions” blog, Jennifer Rubin points out that at the recent White House Correspondents’ dinner, WH advisor Denis McDonough sat at Josh Marshall’s Talking Points Memo table with Brent Scowcroft and Zbig Brzezinski, who are feverishly trying to get Obama to accept their own peace plan with Israel. As Rubin puts it so well: “One of the administration’s key foreign-policy hands goes to the most highly publicized event in town to hob-nob with the advisor who Obama had sworn during the campaign not to be an advisor, who has suggested that we shoot down Israeli planes if they cross Iraqi air space on the way to Iran, and who wants to impose a peace deal on Israel. And, for good measure, he sits with the purveyors of a website infamous for puff pieces on terrorists and committed to a hard-left anti-Israel line.”
Rubin asks whether a few “carefully worded speeches” by Obama administration officials will in fact bamboozle the leadership of the American Jewish community. Or will they fall over themselves “to make up with the administration”? My answer: unfortunately, the latter seems to be the case.
We are living in an era during which American Jews (of whom I am one, although not of the type I am about to describe) have replaced the religion of their
ancestors with a worship of FDR and the Democratic Party. By their lights, the Democratic Party can do no evil, say no evil and hear no evil. During the current Democratic administration, this is tantamount to working actively against the interests of Jews at home and Israelis in Israel. I am deeply sorry that groups of intelligent Jews, such as the organizers of the American Jewish Committee’s recent Washington conference, the AJC whose work I have supported for more than four decades, would even think of wasting their guests’ valuable time with a speech by our current Secretary of State. The time would have been better spent with 45 minutes of silence in contemplation of those who have lost their lives to anti-Semitic violence worldwide. Listening to this Secretary of State or to the current National Security Adviser (as the trustees of The Washington Institute for Near East Policy did last week) is a serious waste of time, and believing their “reassurances” is like donning a large pair of blinkers and stuffing one’s ears with wax, as Odysseus did to avoid hearing the fatal song of the Sirens. When will American Jews ever learn that not every Democratic politician— the incumbent in the White House included at the top of the list—is concerned with the security—or indeed the continued existence—of the only democracy in the Middle East. This pernicious, slavish belief in the Democratic Party and the Obama Administration is dangerous business, and may well lead to the destruction of the State of Israel. If I had Ambassador Lauder’s money, I, too, would warn my fellow Jews and my fellow Israel-supporting Americans of all religions that this Administration’s deeds speak more loudly and more accurately than its officials at gatherings of all-too-trusting Jewish groups. Stop inviting these Administration speakers to drone on at your events! Do not believe their double talk. Wake up and read their actions, rather than listening to their speeches intended to lull you into soporific support. If you are not for yourselves, who will be? Not the current American administration, I can promise you that.
#1-Well said.Ive said it before across the net,actions speak much louder than words.I for one am taking note of the ACTIONS of terrorist proxy groups and the countries who support them,including support from some of our so called “allies”(yeah im looking at you Europe).I can see how Hitler duped all poltical parties in Germany in the 1930′s.Im independant of the influence of these jewish groups since i dont have anything to lose.Ive lived my life quite frugally and it has served me well.Stay on guard Israel,i got your back.
“If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?”
Hillel (הלל) (born Babylon traditionally c.110BCE-10CE[1]
I guess this doesn’t work for JINO’s.
“If I am not for myself, who will be for me?”
If we Jews don’t support Israel – why should non Jews?
If we don’t understand that indeed our fate as Americans is intrinsically linked to the fate of Israel, we are doomed.
“If I am only for myself, what am I?”
We also must stand with all peoples of goodwill to fight against TERROR [read Islam].
“And if not now, when?”
The time is short, I don’t know if we will survive Obumbler and his Kapos.
This is what it must have been like among Jews in Germany at the time of the Holocaust. Disbelief! Look, it’s just a work camp! It says “Arbeit Macht Frei.”
Jewish leaders? You mean ”misleaders” don’t you? We have lots of misleaders here in Israel as well & I include Netanyahu also. A combination of personal self-interest, self-deception, denial, grasping at straws, anything but face reality. #3 Jerry (above) sums it up pretty well but it wasn’t just the Jews of Germany, Jews all over Europe refused to face reality & particularly, our supposed ”leaders” – they just didn’t want to believe. Complacency, a false belief that tomorrow will resemble today, that ”this will pass” & everything will be OK, created a sort of ”inertia” against taking meaningful action. We all know the story about how to boil a frog (put the frog in a pot of cold water & gradually increase the fire).
”Never Again” has become ”Well, Maybe One More Time.”
“Will American Jews Accept the Obama Administration’s “Charm” Offensive?”
Wrong question. Let’s try again:
Will secularist left-wing American Jews Accept the Obama Administration’s “Charm” Offensive?
Few Orthodox Jews ever trusted Barack Obama. Culturally left-wing Jews and non-Jews are the ones who seem easily deceived. It is obvious that they are heavily invested in secularist values.
You try to describe this “secular left wing Jews” group as if its a minority inside the larger
Jewish community.
In truth “secular left wing Jews” are the vast majority of Jews and above all the Jews with vast amounts of money and influence. Sulzberger, Spielberg, Schumer, Soros, Geffen,..those in the Media, Politics, Academia, Hollywood.
Even religious Jews default automatically to MultiCulturalism at the slightest bit of pressure.
Everything and everyone is to be tolerated, even if it kills you, and it will.
You’re awfully uptight about Jews. Oops, I think your swastika is showing.
David, thanks for raising the secular vs. religious view of Jewish “identity.” Secularism is not the issue, but rather assimilation into the comfortable or moneyed-classes, which have never relinquished the antisemitism that characterized “gentility” from the time of the immigration of Eastern European Jews. For an example see http://clarespark.com/2009/10/15/the-christianization-of-ziva-david-ncis/. Successful Jews believe they can worm their way into the hearts of nativists in the old upper-classes by bonding with them against Israel and its most fervent supporters, Orthodox Jews, who remain an embarrassment to those who seek upward mobility. Of course they don’t think they are doing this, but trot out atrocity stories to display their bona fides. I have seen this myself for years. If the academic Left now dominates the humanities, it is because they, including their numerous professors of Jewish background, have learned how to play nicely by distancing themselves from the Jewish state.
Is that the reason why so many mothers tell their Christian daughters to marry a Jew? I’m sure that has something to do with Jewish social climbing. When I was single, I wondered why it was so easy to get a schikza into a bed. It wasn’t till some of them confessed to me what their mothers told them. I’m not making this up. Your generalizations about Jews wanting social acceptance is overstated. I don’t know how many people have told me that some of their best “friends” are Jews. I know its a lie as soon as I hear it. The reason they have Jewish friends is because it is for their own benefit. They are just looking for upward mobility socially and economically. As for the truly Liberal Jews, they are exactly what you say. Sadly it is a hold over of the days when our voices really made a difference in this country ie. the civil rights movement. You see how well that worked for us.
It shouldn’t be a mere ‘suspicion’ that something is amiss with the critical thinking skills of American Jewry. Of course something is awry, profoundly so.
They are in a vocal and financial position to call Obama and his minions on the carpet, but for the most part have decided to accept his Orwellian truths.This is so for many reasons, least of which is their grip on delusional thinking, best explained by Dr Kenneth Levin, in his gut wrenching book, ‘The Oslo Syndrome:Delusions of a People Under Siege’-a must read by all.
HOWEVER, this in no way obviates our own tragic reality in Israel. A little less than 10% of our Jewish population is also heavily deluded, ready, willing and able to smoke any ‘peace’ pipe coming down the hudna pike. The major difference is that thankfully a majority of the Jewish population ain’t smoking the ‘hope a dope’.
Israel’s leaders are for the most part of the appeasement oriented variety, and herein lies our dangerous fault line.
To be sure, US Jews who vote in droves for the Dems, thereby lending a kosher stamp of approval for all of Obama’s treachery, will go down in history, and in infamy, for ANY succor they give him now as he seeks to purposefully !
QUESTION FOR AMERICAN JEWS
Isnt it a bit late guys? Hmm? After decades of Liberal Jews depicting white conservative Americans as fat bigottted Archie Bunkers..with “closed minds” you got what you wanted.. The New America. Obamas Multicultural Paradise.
Tell me in this New America of Muslim Americans, Pakistanis, Chinese, illiterate Mexicans,
Egyptians, Senegalese etc what is the place for the concept of Israel? Wasnt the whole ideal of the modern state of “Israel” a Western concept? Didnt the billions of dollars in aid and weapons systems year after year come from a Bible reading white middle class America for whom the word “Israel”resonated? Well now after the Jewish inspired Hart Cellar Immigration Act of 1965 the assault on white America has been nonstop.The demographics have changed. The white Bible toting “bigots” with their Sunday Schools and memories of King David and all that are fading into the minority. You can now make your appeal for Aid for Israel to Mexican peasants and Somalis and Nigerians. Third World cultures who, if they think of Israel at all, think of Israel as “racist”. When Israel needs a anti ballistic missle system to defend against Syrian Scuds you can …go to the muslim community in Michigan or the 7million Mexicans with 4th grade educations in Los Angeles to make your case. Good luck with it. You sowed the wind…now reap the whirlwind
ehunter: You go right for the jugular.
A legitimate question with legitimate charges. Having said that, I still will not abandon the Jews.
Not because of my love towards those who have mocked me, assisted in my ridicule through entertainment, attempting to privatize and eliminate my faith through organizations like the ACLU and ADL, polluted our public schools with vicious lies about America’s real history. Who make mockery of my Israeli support as Evangelical Christian because I want to usher in the rapture, or some other bogus charge, as if somehow we Christians believe we have authority to dare God to invoke His wrath. Christians don’t carry that kind of clout.
No, I do it because I’m instructed to do it. Many have called me foolish, but I will not waver in my support. I don’t dare waver. I do it because I believe in that God that appeared at Mt. Sinai after he destroyed Pharaoh’s army, who created heavens and earth, who handed down the laws, who instructed Abraham, “I will bless those that bless you, and those that curse you I will curse.”
I have faith that someday, these secular Jews (a misnomer) will wake up and realize their claim as Jew an admission of faith shared with the One True God – not creed inherited by their mother. That these Jews will reflect on what their Patriarchs and Matriarchs instructed and believe again – that which preceded my faith and from which mine was derived.
How foolish this must sound to the secular. But there are still many Jews who understand what I say, and they should consider me an ally against their enemies.
I’m a secular Jew. And I consider you an ally and a friend. And I thank you.
Thank you Tex, from another traditional Jewess.
I very rarely reply to any blog I read but I was moved by your comment. I am a Jew who was born in Brooklyn in a Christian nation. I knew that early on in life. I have always been grateful for the tolerance and acceptance of Christians to the Jews in this great country that allowed us to thrive and prosper in the American dream. I am not such a good Jew but I honor my parents, love this country, love Israel, and above all love my one G-D. I don’t think G-d is too happy or pleased with one of his favorite nations, us the USA. I did my homework on obama and what I learned I could never vote for him and I didn’t. I tried to inform people including members of my own family but it was like whistling in the wind. I have been a lifelong democrat and first voted for Mcgovern in 1972. Right now I could not vote for any dem or repub that supports obama or his policies. The democratic party has left me. I do not blame the majority of Americans (Jews included 78% I’m told) that voted for obama. They were ill informed, duped, and ignorant in my opinion. Jews are supposed to be smarter than that but most Jews are like any other American. Who I blame as far as Jews are concerned are the ones who have great influence financial , political or otherwise. We all know who they are. They are the ones who aided, abetted and ushered in this catastrophic govt. that we have know. I fear that Jews are being set up by this govt to take the blame when the sh-t really hits the fan. I hope and pray that the majority of Great Christian Americans do not fall for this and turn on their American Jewish brothers and sisters. But who knows only G-d. Anyway Tex thank you for your support and I am sure G-d will bless you and yours.
ehunter, explain something to me. Those sweet white men you so foundly remember, are they the same that had the signs “No Jews or Dogs allowed”? If so, you can go f**k yourself. I saw those signs and experienced their hate. They were one step short of being Nazis. The civil rights movement was a just movement. The only problem was it was hijacked by black racist. If your good old boys hadn’t been such bastards to begin with, this whole situation today would never have happened.
Blaming the immigration policies of the US on American Jews is absurd. Hart Celler was supported by most Democrats, of whom Jews represent only a small portion.
Even today, the Catholic Church and liberal Protestant denominations who actively support multiculturalism outnumber Jews by many tens of millions. Most Jews have been as unaware of what US immigration policy actually is as have been most average Americans. Presidents Reagan and both Presidents Bush had the opportunity to do something about it, and they failed to. It’s too easy and there’s something rather fishy about trying to pin this one on the Jews, sorry bubby.
There is no “Jewish Vote” – hasn’t been for a while.
The vast majority of Americans of Jewish descent are largely ignorant of Judaism and unaffiliated with any Jewish community. Most have never visited Israel.
This pattern is already a generation old.
Philanthropy and political involvement by these people of Jewish descent follows their class and political affiliations.
The official communal organizations represent a dwindling number of actual people.
If Tel Aviv does not get bombed in the next few years then the majority of Jews will still vote democratic. Severe damage to Tel Aviv might alter the outcome.
The charm offensive will work fine if Israel is physically mostly intact.
Like an abused spouse, the liberal Jews of America will go crawling back to Obama. All they needed was an excuse, lunch with a nobel prize winner and some pretty flowers at seder. Sadly the issues that are important to mainstream American Jewry is the continuation of their myth of liberal/leftist persepctives rather than the desire to ensure the survival of half of the world’s other Jews. But hey, before Obama kicks them in the ass again maybe he’ll plan a nice dinner this time. Unfortunatley like an abused spouse they will learn too late, that nice words,apologies and mea culpas usually lead to the death of the abused spouse.
Of course American liberal jews will by charmed…they WANT to be charmed. As an American Jew myself, living in blue/blue Pikesville, MD (‘burb of Balt) I can see my neighbors accepting another round of Kool-Aid even as I write this. A couple of weeks ago, many were up in arms…yet now, after a few reassuring words (despite the adminstrations rhetoric/actions in the opposite direction) they are back on the Obama band wagon “he didn’t really mean it, it’s only a negotiating ploy” is what they say…
Obama doesn’t like Jews, his entire background is anti-Isreal. The church he attended for 20 years regularly railed against Jews and Israel. His earliest and biggest supporters are anti-Israel…but because American Jews want to be deluded…they’ll buy anything this guys gives out.
You hit it on the head. Obama does not like Jews and the left wing Jewish community better wake up.
Just as Obama doesn’t like Jews, the left wing Jewish community doesn’t like Jews either.
You can fool some of the people all of the time and for Obama those are pretty good odds…
Real eye opener all the B Madoff Jews and Obama Jews…sucker born every day…rich and/or arrogant is no immunization…
You can fool some of the people all of the time and for Obama those are pretty good odds…
Ehunter and David Thomson both went “yard” with their comments. With American Jews it is ideology above all else.
SAF: Hate to disagree with you but Israel’s safety is barely on American Jew’s radar screen. Gay rights yes, a “mostly intact” Israel-not so much.
And the con-man said, “don’t believe your eyes, believe my words”. And the weak-minded believed his words and ignored what they saw. Obama is the puppet of those who are doing harm to freedom, and many American Jews, including some of my in-laws, buy the big lie. I fear they will not realize their error until it is too late.
Among the Orthodox Jews in America, the sector that is increasing steadily in numbers, there is generally a basic understanding of Obama’s enmity towards Israel. That’s because the Orthodox have a sense of Jewish history and know that nations who follow a certain type of leader can turn on the Jews in short order.
To paraphrase a former Secy of State, I am sure Hillary Clinton tells Obama: “F— ‘em, they’ll vote for us anyway!”
Unfortunately, the Jews in power in politics, entertainment and the media treat their less elite brethren the same way the capos did in Nazi ghettos. No one can sell a Jew down the river better than another Jew. These Jews have turned their backs on the G-d of Israel to worship the false gods of liberalism and multiculturalism. To burnish their left wing credentials, they will allow Israel to be destroyed and look the other way while protected victimized racial-ethnic groups declare open season on Jews (see: Jews at the hands of Arabs in Malmo, Sweden, or Jews left to be attacked and murdered by blacks in Crown Heights, 1991 when NYC had its 1st black mayor).
If Goebbels came back as a liberal democrat and mouthed platitudes about social justice, Jews would vote for him too.
What you are positing is not new. When my Grandfather arrived in New York in 1904 from Minsk, he was treated with utter disdain by the German Jewish community, who were affluent and educated. In fact the German Jews referred to those pour souls from Eastern Europe as “OstJuden”. The German secular community in the United States looked down on those Eastern Europeans as primitive and embarrassing.
Many of those German Jews were rabidly anti-Zionist as they feared that their own social standing and affluence were threatened by the creation of a Jewish State. The Sulzberger family who’s ownership of the NY Times dates back 150 years, were never thrilled with the creation of a Jewish State, and this continues today with the current editor.
Unfortuntaely, the ‘Trinity’ of abortion, gay marriage and gun control seem to be higher up on the agenda than the survival of the State of Israel. As a traditional Jew, I find the ignorance of Jewish history and lack of even the most rudimentary Jewish religous concepts astounding. Whatever their faults may be, Israelis are still light years ahead of their US cousins when it comes to existential survival. The Americans will never know what hit ‘em.
Axelrod is to Obama what Goebbels was to Hitler
Rebbe Schneerson insisted that secular Jews, Jews with the thinnest connection to their heritage, can make teshuvah (return) at any time.
Obama’s outreach to Jewish voters should be welcomed since it distances the administration from the far left and veteran anti-Israel forces which are part of or intimately connected to the President’s inner circle.
At the same time, those who are committed to Israel’s survival must not relent in attacking the policies of this Administration.
The recent Quinipiac poll showed that the attachment to Israel
among American Jews,despite their general levels of acculturation and assimilation, remain rather intense.
In traditional terms, this is “Der pintele Yid” or the soul-core connection between Jews.
It is imperative that the Israelis and their friends in America, continue to call out the Obama administration and their surrogates on every aspect of their continued policy of marginalizing Israel.
The Pintele Yid is known to cause the hands to pull the right levers in the anonymous setting of the polling booth.
Jews both Orthodox and Secular have reason to worry. I don’t believe I have ever seen the kind of hatred I now see for the Jews coming from the left.
However, I don’t think Obama or his admin should be equated with Nazi’s. Today’s left are the people who ruin great nations through bad policy allowing the rise of those who blame others for their problems. So instead of Hitler I would compare Obama to someone more like Bismark.
All you need to know about American Jews is this: the majority of them would vote for Hitler if he presented himself as a liberal Democrat.
Being—as is said of such—about “a C student” in Harvard, B. Obama must often attempt to “finesse” his way through the challenges to presidential leadership with just too much of the mere yick-yack and double-talk which he assumed in his college experiences.
Trouble is, other world leaders come from nations in which that weak slick talk and even weaker double-talk is more prevalent, and is developed to a greater degree of refinement—which, of natural course, has much to do with why those nations are poor—in a word, the leaders and advisors of those other nations can “see right though him”, . . .
to all the american jews-if you continue to follow and support the democrats there is only one end, obama will give israel to the muslims. you are being led straight to the ovens again. do not sit around and wait for the democratic party nazis to come and get you, vote them out of office in november
Pay attention to their words. But more important, pay attention to the administration’s actions. Of course this really is all a useless excercise because we know Obama’s attitude. Caroline Glick has a good Tribal Update. Check the 1:45 mark if you want to cut to the chase.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBRwU3y5ZD4&feature=player_embedded
My view is this: Israel will be left to clean up the mess posed by Ahmadinezhad. When this is finished, so too will
be the influence the US had in the Middle East.
But, the reprobates, scoundrels, scalawags, deformed souls
and similar ilk within the Beltway will continue to enjoy
the support of those who call themselves Jews, because of some nicely chosen words.
I’ll believe anything Obama will tell me. Yes sir! Oh, I also believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Rabbit, the Great Pumpkin….. and on and on.
I don’t get it. The Jews are not at all served by the Liberal Progressives, who hate them along with Israel, but they keep ponying up campaign donations and voting them back into power every November.
In the year 2010, most Jews both in Israel and outside, realize that Israel’s purpose for world Jewry was to provide a sense of national pride and security as well a reduction of anti-semitism. Well it certainly provided Jewish self esteem but in the area of security it has failed in spades. In the past Jews suffered immensely from mainly European antisemitism and now that poison has metastisised to Asia, Africa and just about everywhere else on the globe. The existence of Israel didn’t make life safer for Jews. If anything, it made life riskier. It didn’t decrease anti-Semitism; it probably increased it. The lifeboat, a safe haven, has turned out to be mirage. In 1947 when Israel was created there were 30 milion Arabs and some 600,000 Jews in the Midlle East. Now there are barely 6 million Jews and some 360 Milion Arabs. And supporting the Arabs are 1.6 billion Muslims. The demographic time bomb is ticking. If in the improbable chance that every Jew in the world immigrated to Israel, it would hardly make a dent in the lobsided imbalance. Israel needs peace through reconciliation like an infant needs its mother’s milk. Israel has been successful in wars against Nation states. It has lost both encounters with a non conventional foe, namely Hizbollah. Israel has not decades to spare, that is not a luxury that is available to it. Israel must start the peace making engagement as soon as possible. That is a vital imperative.
There are few people indeed that believe that the Palestinians are the devils incarnate and Israel is wholly on the side of Angels. That perception makes for great propoganda but it has no factual basis. The best informed Israelis do not accept this view.
The last time pressure was applied on Israel in a concerted manner, those efforts led to the Egyptian-Israel peace treaty. Obama now must emulate this model to save both Israel and the Palestinians from an endless cycle of war and violence . Most Jews instinctively
realize that Obama is no enemy of Israel. He remains Israel’s last real hope for peace.
Will American Jews Accept the Obama Administration’s “Charm” Offensive?
If they do, they’re nuts.
Obama amply demonstrated during the campaign that he is capable of saying diffent things, even diametrically opposed things, depending on which audience he is in front of and who he is attempting to flatter, cajole and/or otherwise exhort.
(Do you think Obama wanted western Pennsylvanians to know he thought of them as “bitter clingers” ? Did you see his rapidly shifting positions on second amendment rights ?)
If there’s one thing that has been reinforced since he has been in office, it is that the man has no particular compunctions about turning on a dime. (Numerous times during recent years, he had said, words to the effect that “the reconciliation process is completely wrong” for a large piece of social legislation like “healthcare”).
Axelrod, Rahm, Hillary…many of the major players, the same.
Expediency trumps consistency and morality.
Remember when Obama, speaking before a large Jewish AIPAC gathering, told the audience that Jerusalem was Israel’s undivided capital city, and then, took back this remark the very next day?
That wasn’t just one more simple example of him just saying what people wanted to hear, and then turning on a dime, but rather a spiteful act of quiet mockery and exquisite torture. He’s a nasty little sh-t.
we’ll see. don’t underestimate the jewish dna.
The point everyone seems to be missing is that Obama is anti-everyone who is non-black and has a work and saving ethic. He even sold his white grandmother down the political river of expediency. His primary goal is wealth redistribution to the blacks. He ran on that principal and was rewarded with 99% of the black vote. What makes anyone think Obama will step up to the plate to defend any not-black American? Blacks and Hispanics will always vote with one voice, pols know this and depend on splitting the white independent voters to win elections. When are we going to wake up and smell the coffee?
Obama’s agenda is actually quite simple, his own political ascendancy to greater power and the subjugation by onerous taxation of anyone with a white skin. Doesn’t anybody remember Reverend Wright and the church of Black Liberation Theology? That, simply put means; blacks first and foremost, nobody else matters. They continue to push “White Guilt” and racism as a political tool. Well,,, nobody in my family history ever owned a black slave, so I’m completely immune to that scheme.
The man hates Israel. He wants to disarm Israel and does not even recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Even though supposedly East Jerusalem is the disputed part. So why does he not build a embassy in West Jerusalem?
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http://israelprotect.blogspot.com
Jonathan Belman;You say that Israel’s establishment did not make life “safer” for Jews. This is a leftist cliche without any factual underpinning.
Jews have been unsafe for 2,000 plus years. More Jews died in Auschwitz on a “productive” day than all of the Israelis in all of its wars.
The Jewish people, through Israel, with the help of G-d, have the capacity to unleash terrible retribution, on the enemies of the Jewish people worldwide.That was not he case prior to 1948. In a dangerous and violent world, the capacity for effective retaliation is the best guarantor of peace.
You claim that Israel “lost” its wars with the terrorist organizations.How did you determine this?If there was a loss, it was only to the extant that pacifists like you and international public opinion restrained Israel from finishing the campaign as most “normal” countries such as Russia, China and Myanmar did in their skirmishes with non-conventional forces.
We Jews have tried peace through surrender for 2,000 years;it has not worked. Now is the time for a robust military option and effective and strong diplomacy.
Finally, if you feel that Jews are “unsafe” now, how safe will they be with an emasculated or worse, a vanquished Israel, with millions of Jihadis being taught that their religion demands be-headings like that of Pearl and Berg.
Chazak Israel- stay strong.
Imagine if Republicans ran a candidate whose:
father was a Nazi,
mother was a nazi,
stepfather was a Nazi,
adult male role model was a Nazi,
college friends and favorite professors were nazis and Nazis,
wife was sympathetic to Nazism
church – which he joined as an adult and stayed at for 20 years – was informed by Nazism
political benefactors and allies were nazis and Nazis
political mentor was a Nazi who got his ideas and mission from his mentor, the guy who wrote the book on spreading Nazism in America.
NOBODY would touch that guy and rightfully so. If the Republicans ran anyone like that, they would deserve to be crushed, their offices flattened and their memories erased from the books.
But if you pull out all of the Nazi and replace it with Marxism, you get 78% of the Jewish vote.
That is an act of hypocrisy hard even to grasp. I wish Israel well. I really do. I used to support AIPAC, and still, in private conversations, I make Israel’s case not just against Muslims, but the ugly world (including us and Europe) that made Israel necessary.
But why should I continue to stand side-by-side with Israelis and American Jews, why should I turn with them to defend them against a TRUE right-wing worldview (that is, a theocratic or monarchic one) when I’m just asking to get stuck in the back from the left for doing it? 78% of American Jews betrayed me. They betrayed my country by gleefully yanking America hard to the left. Why should I care? Why not just let the scorpions in the bottle nick one another?
I’ll believe all this talk about Jews moving away from Obama when I see it. In the meantime, I truly want to know why it’s the best thing – all the Hope and Change in the world – to support someone soaked to his bones in Marxism, but unspeakably horrible to even mention one positive thing that might have come out of Nazi Germany. (If there was anything.) And don’t try to feed me this “well, Communism is idealistic” nonsense. No, it’s not. And not any more than Nazism. The Germans did not wake up every day saying, “How can we destroy the world?” They woke up saying that the best thing for the world – the ideal thing – was for great people like themselves to take control, by force if necessary. That is absolutely no different from the Marxist idea that the vanguard of the proletariat should take control, by force if necessary.
With people like you posting here, I’m sure all the Jews I know will just be thrilled to join the Republican party. Its the crap that flows out of you that reminds them of the pre 1960s. I tried to become a Reagan republican when he was up against Jerry Ford and it was exactly this sh*t that drove me back to the Democratic party until post-Clinton. Its so nice to see that scum like you are still around to welcome my people. Believe me about one thing, they’ll make better Republicans than you. That aside, what you are not capable of measuring is the group that is leaving the Democrats and they feel that they have nowhere to go. They are in fact becoming independents.
In the year 2010, most Jews both in Israel and outside, realize that Israel’s purpose for world Jewry was to provide a sense of national pride and security as well a reduction of anti-semitism. Well it certainly heightened Jewish self esteem but in the area of security it has failed in spades. In the past Jews suffered immensely from mainly European antisemitism and now that poison has metastisised to Asia, Africa and just about everywhere else on the globe. The existence of Israel didn’t make life safer for Jews in the world. If anything, it made life riskier. It didn’t decrease anti-Semitism; it probably increased it. Israel as the lifeboat, a safe haven, has turned out to be mirage.
In 1947 when Israel was created there were 30 milion Arabs and some 600,000 Jews in the Midlle East. Now there are barely 6 million Jews and some 360 Milion Arabs. And supporting the Arabs are 1.6 billion Muslims. The demographic time bomb is ticking. If in the improbable likelihood that every Jew in the world immigrated to Israel, it would hardly make a dent in the imbalance. Israel needs peace through reconciliation like an infant needs its mother’s milk. Israel has been successful in wars against Nation states. It has lost both encounters with a non conventional foe, namely Hizbollah.
Israel has not decades to spare, that is not a luxury that is available to it. Israel must restart the peace making engagement as soon as possible. That is a vital imperative.
There are few people indeed that believe that the Palestinians are the devils incarnate and Israel is wholly on the side of Angels. Least of all anyone well informed in current history. The last time pressure was applied on Israel in a concerted manner, the efforts led to the Egyptian-Israel treaty. Obama now must emulate this model to save both Israel and the Palestinians from an endless cycle of war and violence . Most Jews instinctively realize that Obama is no enemy of Israel. He remains Israel’s last real hope for peace. The demonizing of Obama as anti-Israel and antisemitic is wholly fallacious. Every American President since Eisenhower had in its mid-east policy the hope for a peaceful resolution to the Arab-israel conflict . Obama has been acting in line with this policy.
Wake up you fool, Obama is the devil incarnate. You won’t convince me of anything else, go back to Huffington Post.
To ALL,
If YOU have not Learned The Love of G-d ;
YOU will Learn The Fear of G-d!!!
I for one have stopped my donations to the AJC and urge others to do so as well. Only then will they begin to get the message that we don’t agree with the Obama administrations’ assaults on Israel and begin to speak out.
Belman, you’ve drunk more kool-aid than a thousand Jonestowns. Plus your knowledge of history is less than zero, to put it mildly. Israel was not “pressured” to make peace with Egypt. And if Israel had ever “lost” to Hezbollah – a gang of savage barbarians whose goal is the annihilation not only of Israel but of all Jews – it would no longer exist.
Wait a minute! “Israp”‘s post is almost word-for-word identical to “Jonathan Belman”‘s. I smell Axelrod astroturfing – and that’s quite a stench.
What can be more hostile than the U.S. demand for the freezing of Jewish communites for the sole reason Jews are not Muslim?
What can be more cruel and frightening than the demand that hundreds of thousands of Jews are rendered homeless-ethnically cleansed from the Biblical homeland of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem for the sole reason they are Jews and not Muslim?
It was also unacceptable to Hitler that Jews lived in Europe.
What’s in it for those jews who back, have backed and are strident cheerleaders for this man of unknown provenance and unknown political / personal agenda?
Has America, as haven, the soft life, integration into the “mainstream” damaged their traditional caution of looking beyond the schmooze to the meaning of words and behaviours — the message ?
What can they think Obama is and has been telling them since his ascent to the center stage of American politics? Interestingly after the same style of media frenzy as the old Nuremburg rallies, and with photographic essays styled on the ace Leni Riefenstahl
Trust everyone but cut the cards? (There was a television documentary on Discovery a while back that Adolf Hitler had a deliberate policy of betraying only the most minimal information about his personal and political provenance.)
One thing we do know is that if America goes down the same roads as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. there’ll be no haven anywhere in the world.
Don’t forget American Jewish Heritage month recently proclaimed by the President. More flowers on the seder table. Read Rubin Reports for excellent critique of Obama’s policies in Middle East.
They will lap it up eagerly.