President Obama’s Failed Response to the Attempted Terrorist Attack
President Obama did at least say the incident was “a serious reminder of the dangers that we face and the nature of those who threaten our homeland.” But he did not continue on to specify what the nature of the danger is, or describe those who subscribe to a violent interpretation of the Koran and who carry out their acts in the name of Allah.
Nor did he address the issue that the administration carefully seems to want to avoid: that Abdulmutallab did not act alone, and is a part of a conspiracy involving al-Qaeda directed out of Yemen. Indeed, reports tonight on the news networks played an interview with a passenger who was standing next to Abdulmutallab as he sought to let the airport team allow him to board the plane in Amsterdam, even though he did not hold a valid passport. According to the passenger whose statement was broadcast, Abdulmutallab was accompanied by an Indian man in his 50s, who spoke on his behalf. This unidentified man told the plane personnel that Sudanese regularly were allowed on international flights without a passport, and that hence Abdulmutallab too should be allowed to board. Given that al-Qaeda has already acknowledged that he was part of an operation they planned, everyone already knows that our culprit was part of an official al-Qaeda operation.
Yet later in his statement, President Obama, while pledging to “use every element of our national power to disrupt, to dismantle and defeat the violent extremists who threaten us,” continued to say that the quick action taken on the plane to disable the potentially dangerous bomb from detonating showed “that an alert and courageous citizenry are far more resilient than an isolated extremist.” (my emphasis)
This time we were lucky, and despite the bravery of the Dutch citizen who spontaneously and courageously rose to the occasion, his action showed nothing of the sort claimed by the President. Moreover, referring to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab as only an “isolated extremist” reveals that even as all the facts are being disclosed and we have clarity that this was anything but the action of a man acting alone, the president persists in pretending otherwise.
Clearly, President Obama’s failure to identify our enemies as part of a worldwide radical Islamist movement pledged to permanent jihad against us, and his argument that the “alleged” suspect was doing this on his own, is a throwback to his earlier speeches in the Middle East. In those speeches, Obama held out the hand of engagement to Iran and tried to bend over backwards to assure the Islamic world that the United States is not implicating it in any way in what the administration once called “man-made acts” of violence.
We have all learned that despite the administration’s best hopes, changing the words to describe jihad from a Bush era “war on terrorism” (already inadequate since it should have then been a war against radical Islam) to that of stopping “man-made acts” has not in fact slowed or stopped al-Qaeda from continuing on its chosen path. Indeed, they have the effrontery to argue that this failed action was a response to U.S. efforts taken a few days ago to break apart some of their networks. To al-Qaeda, anything we do to protect ourselves is another example of U.S. aggression.
It is good that the administration might now seek to close the loopholes that allowed an al-Qaeda terrorist to board Northwest 253 on Christmas day. But until it faces the reality of the war we have to wage, it is not sufficient.






Barack Obama must describe the terrorist as merely an alleged criminal. The defense attorney representing this Islamic extremist has the full right to say the president of the United States is prejudicing the jury by claiming his client is certainly guilty even before the trial begins. Of course, it is utterly ridiculous that this act is being treated as merely a criminal matter. Americans should be enraged at Obama’s foolish decision. Interrogators cannot even speak to the terrorist without his lawyer being present. The attorneys might even advise him to take the 5th and refuse to answer any questions whatsoever. The odds are that the 23-year-old terrorist is part of a larger conspiracy—but we are likely never to find out for sure. This leaves us vulnerable the next time they plan an attack.
I really don’t know how to react on this because I am really disappointed with what is happening. This is not supposed to be happening.
Mr. Radosh asks, “When will the president face the reality of the war we have to wage?”
The more appropriate question is, “When will the American people face the reality that this president is not about them, but an arrogant elitist impaled upon, for and of himself; one that doesn’t give a damn about whatever wars we have to wage or our terrible suffering thereof.”
For the sake of change or greed or hatred or lust or whatever it really doesn’t matter; Americans have chosen foolishly. Fools are soon separated from their gold; and hence as a nation their security.
The attempted Christmas Day terrorist attack on Northwest Flight 253 is just a preview of the destiny that waits for us in 2010 and beyond.
HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL
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A vital piece of information is missing in the Xmas Day incident.
How did this guy obtain a US VISA IN THE FIRST PLACE to enter the USA?
(I’m amazed no one has even mentioned this on ANY news outlet).
As a foreign national, he would have had to visit a US Consulate “somewhere”, supposedly been vetted by those responsible for issuing entry visas and then denied or been issued such a document.
Cherchez “le Visa” story and you’ll find the trail of incompetence continues to dominate our governments anit-terrorist efforts worldwide.
Mr. Radosh, you’d better hope and pray Barack Hussein Obama never decides that we’re at war. He’d enlist on the other side. That is, if he hasn’t already.
Americans have put a fox in charge of guarding their henhouse. And if it’s not altogether too obvious, the chickens have come home to roost.
He won’t! This so-called president is incapable of ‘change’ don’t expect Obama to evolve, to learn or to integrate new knowledge into his comprehension. He’s a miserable failure, a terrible leader, an insincere blotch on our national conscience.
For Obama to actually call this killer an “isolated extremist” shows just how out of touch this guy really is. And with a fool like Janet Napolitano at the helm of Homeland Security, I’m already stocking up on supplies in my survival bunker. Please, this woman is the very definition of a “Man Made Disaster.” Her actions up till now only reinforce the impression that she is way over her head when it comes to fighting terrorism. Ladies and Gentlemen, please note that, thanks to the Obama administration, we have come full circle and we are back to the pre-9/11 mindset that treats all acts of terrorism as civil crimes. Only this time around, when the next major attack occurs on US soil, they won’t be able to say that they never could have anticipated anything like this happening in the United States. Then they’ll probably do what they do best, which is blame Bush for everything. How pathetic they are.
To treat this incident as a criminal act rather than an act of war is ludicrous. The proto-bomber’s instant legal representation is an abomination. He should have been held incommunicado and ‘vigorously’ interrogated. Waterboard both him and his attorney. It’s a toss up whether Our Harvard Law Review fearless leader, and his band of feckless socialists will succeed in destroying this country economically before or after it allows it to be destroyed physically by members of the greatest and fastest growing religion of peace on the planet.
Ron – Elections have consequences. The majority wanted the non-Bush. Well, they got it. We can complain all we want on this issue. I strongly doubt anything will change until 2012. As Libertyship46 @ #5 points out: This POTUS called this terrorist an “isolated extremist.” Eventually, there will be many such “isolated extremists.” This POTUS will not connect the dots of the “isolated extremists.” I can only hope the American people will be able to see what’s happening, and when the time comes, put another POTUS in who will connect the dots.
Perhaps the very reverend Wright, Jackson and Sharpton will succor the perp. After all, he is African and we’ve exploited that continent mercilessly. Just another chicken coming home, eh?
Connect the dots? This isn’t an exercise in Braille. The reality is obvious to all but the terminally dense. Nothing particularly nuanced here. We’re not counting angels on the head of a pin. Obama and his seven dwarfs will still be contemplating their navels long after the first mushroom cloud billows up over NYC. Obama has all of the leadership qualities of a substitute teacher. What next? Have the radical mullahs over for a non-alcoholic beer in the rose garder?
By all rights this plane would either have had a large hole blown through its fusilage and gone down or have burned up in the sky. What aggravates me is that the administration appears to be acting not on that fact, but on the fantasy that a disaster was diverted (by sheer incompetence on everyone’s part?). This act of Islamic terrorism needs to be treated as if it was successful, because it was! The public has been terrorized. The system worked? The system was a total unadulterated failure. Now this administration is terrorizing us by DRONING on and on about “isolated incidents” so that we now have complete confidence in flying? This is one hell of a way to fight a war on terrorists.
#7 Jack: This POTUS will not connect the dots of the “isolated extremists.”
Maybe, someone should add numbers to the dots to make it easier for Obama to see the picture.
7. Jack in Silver Spring:
Ron – Elections have consequences. The majority wanted the non-Bush. Well, they got it. We can complain all we want on this issue. I strongly doubt anything will change until 2012.
You made a very important point and I fear that it will take several planes going down to get the public to see this. And what if these attempts are only feints to obscure the real target or targets of the terrorists??
When the Germans declared war, we fought the Germans. When the Japanese declared war, we fought the Japanese. When the Islamic jihad declared “war”, who do we fight?
Nobody knows where they are, you fight them when they show up. So the laws for war don’t apply here.
Giving wide publicity to these terrorist attacks just fuels the incentives of the jihadists. The media is guilty as charged.
We have all learned that despite the administration’s best hopes, changing the words to describe jihad from a Bush era “war on terrorism” (already inadequate since it should have then been a war against radical Islam) ….
It should have been called THE DEFENSE AGAINST ISLAMISM .
BTW Radosh, the adjective radical before Islamist is redundant.
11. vivo:
When the Germans declared war, we fought the Germans. When the Japanese declared war, we fought the Japanese. When the Islamic jihad declared “war”, who do we fight?
Nobody knows where they are, you fight them when they show up. So the laws for war don’t apply here.
Giving wide publicity to these terrorist attacks just fuels the incentives of the jihadists. The media is guilty as charged.
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Don’t know where who are? The muslim terrorists are know. They are in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, England, Philippines and many other places. This guy was even turned in by his father. Where was the government on that one? Given that bit of intellectual vacancy on your part I can see why you think bringing the truth to the masses is bad. Are you honestly suggesting we just pretend these things don’t happen and not report on the dangers because it might embolden some one who wants to kill for his imaginary god? The laws of war don’t apply but not for the reasons you think.
One year in Obama’s luminous presidency, and I am still deeply conflicted as to whether he is: (a) just a dolt, (b) the agent of some foreign power or interests who is relentlessly inflicting those interests upon this country, (c) a curious yet pernicious mixture thereof –
[...] a passenger ALLEGEDLY tried to ignite an explosive device on his body, setting off a fire.” (Radosh’s JUSTIFIED emphasis) [...]
So, we have:
1) “man-made disasters” -
2) “when it comes to race, we are a coward nation” -
3) moving the Gitmo terros trial to NYC –
4) “a passenger allegedly” -
The above three quotations are enough for highlighting Obama’s and his cohorts’ true views regarding the anti-American internationl terrorism situation, and to illustrate their desire to reduce the terrorist actions to the level of an aggrieved party’s legitimate response to some acts of… oppression -
And when we review Obama’s casualness displayed in this matter (as well in the Somali pirates crisis last spring) and we compare it with Obama’s obvious indignation in the “the police acted stupidly affair” we cannot but find again that in Obama’s mind the safety and well-being of this nation ranks well bellow under the promotion of an agenda full of racial animosity –
The luminous times of the intellectual, deliberate statemanship – my!
Obama bizzare response in 2008 to the Russia-Georgia conflict (yes, Muriel, murky as that affair was/ is, America HAD/HAS a very serious stake in the geopolitical game that occurs in the Black Sea/ Caucasus region) and to his equally subdued answer “we shall bear wittness” to the Iran crisis, when compared with the intensity projected in completely un-winnable (and even murkier) global deals like the Copenhagen climate treaty shows also that Obama’s priorities system is kinda… off kilter, and that it just doesn’t match the legitimate interests of this nation –
So, I hope that I am not alone when, one year in Obama’s luminous presidency, I am marveling whether Obama is: (a) just a dolt, (b) the agent of some foreign power or interests who is relentlessly inflicting those interests upon this country, (c) a curious yet pernicious mixture thereof –
Confused in California -
I recommend the book “Age of Tolerance From Al to Allah.” Early on, a group of Muslim terrorists successfully takes down a plane, and the response from Pres Al Gore seems incredulous, but after seeing Obama’s response to the near destruction of Flight 253, this book is starting to look less like an alternate reality fiction than a depiction of our current reality.
For all intents and purposes, Flight 253 is as good as destroyed. Only a faulty detonation saved it. The jihadis learn from their mistakes, and the next attack WILL succeed. But the Americans NEVER learn. Not only will TSA not profile, they will subject babies and old white women to extensive pat-downs, while a terrorist like the crotch bomber, who SHOULD have set off alarm bells in the screening process, was allowed to waltz onto the plane. Even the crotch bomber’s father could prevent his being allowed on the plane. Do you really think the TSA will prevent the next attack?
From their response to the Fort Hood shooting, when the next attack succeeds, expect the Obama administration to be more concerned with rushing to judgment and anti-Muslim backlash than with dead civilians. In the meantime, flight travel will be made unbearable, passengers will be treated like crminal cattle, and of course, we American sheep will gladly go along with it.
13. Phranc:
“Are you honestly suggesting we just pretend these things don’t happen and not report on the dangers because it might embolden some one who wants to kill for his imaginary god? The laws of war don’t apply but not for the reasons you think.”
No, I don’t say we pretend they don’t happen. They should be reported, but they should be equaled to a traffic accident or a local murder. People are smart enough to know what’s dangerous without being sensationalistic. The publicity can also hamper investigations. Security forces can deal with them, including their elimination without trials.
Poor vivo and poor Barack! They can’t find the enemy! Fools of a feather.
If they are going to blame Bush, then Bush should be back in the White House where he belongs.
Clearly, Obama doesn’t belong there.
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW. HE’S A TRAITOR.
America Betrayed: Jihadists are winning because of pro-Islam Western leaders. U.S. Airport Security Deliberately and Shockingly Destroyed for Islam:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com
Controversial Muslim group
gets VIP airport security tour
Feds show CAIR latest screening steps,
sensitive counterterrorism procedures
August 18, 2006
The Department of Homeland Security
took a Muslim group with known past ties to terror organizations on a VIP tour of security operations at the nation’s busiest airport at the same time British authorities were working to break up a plot to blow up U.S. airlines.
On June 21, a senior DHS official from Washington personally guided Muslim officials from the Council on American-Islamic Relations on a behind-the-scenes tour of Customs screening operations at O’Hare International Airport in response to CAIR complaints that Muslim travelers were being unfairly delayed as they entered the U.S. from abroad.
CAIR is a spin-off of the Islamic Association for Palestine, identified by two former FBI counterterrorism chiefs as a “front group” for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
Several CAIR leaders have been convicted on terror-related charges.
During the airport tour, CAIR was taken on a walk through the point-of-entry, Customs stations, secondary screening and interview rooms. In addition, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agents were asked to describe for CAIR representatives various features of the high-risk passenger lookout system.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51573
Council on American-Islamic Relations: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” – Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder).
Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine’s annual convention in Chicago, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who “kill themselves for Islam,”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184
16. Thomas_L:
The point is we know where they generally are, but you can’t just bomb all their innocent neighbors. They are just a few thousands spread around the world, including your own neighborhood. Maybe we should send a cluster bomb to that suspect living next door to you . . . .
Our inept president is so out of touch with reality here, I would not say he is “bending over backwards” to appease, appeal to, soft-pedal, or at the least, not offend the Muslim radical element in this world. I’d say he is just bending over, for their benefit. How much they must enjoy his American presidency.
Well, VIVO finally had a good idea. I’m not convinced that there are any ‘innocents. I haven’t seen a mass outpouring from the Muslim world expressing their outrage and shame over these events. Many tacitly support the jihadists both spiritually and financially. Maybe spreading a bit of terror in the oppposite direction would send the proper message. Kissing their ass sure hasn’t had an effect.
Why was the humanity-hater not placed on a U.S. No Fly List? That’s not hard to figure out. Washington do not regard Muslim terrorists as the enemy. Patriotic, peaceful Americans – pro-lifers, tea party attendees, returning war veterans who risked their lives for America have been listed as the ones to watch out for.
Muslim terrorist training camps that teach murder of non-Muslims and violent Islamic conquest of America are allowed. God help America.
worldnetdaily.com
‘Chilling’ new video: How to slit throats
Jihad maneuvers taught at New York compound
December 15, 2009
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A new video released by the Christian Action Network shows Muslim women at a compound in New York state practicing throat-slitting techniques and assault weapons attacks.
The video was distributed by the makers of the movie “Homegrown Jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S.,” which documents how a jihadist group has developed dozens of training camps across the nation.
WND reported at the time how Jamaat ul-Fuqra has built 35 compounds – mostly in the northeastern corridor of the U.S.
…The U.S. State Department’s 1998 “Patterns of Global Terrorism” report notes the organization “seeks to purify Islam through violence.”
The report continued, “Members have purchased isolated rural compounds in North America to live communally, practice their faith and insulate themselves from Western culture. Fuqra members have attacked a variety of targets that they view as enemies of Islam.”
CAN, led by Martin Mawyer, has researched Muslims of America for years and has provided its video to the FBI, State Department and Homeland Security. To date, there has been no response from the government, the group said.
…”Gilani has stated he is preparing his members to the Soldiers of Allah, and he’s set up the most advanced guerrilla warfare training camps,” he said.
The organization’s “Homegrown Jihad” video includes a chilling scene of Jamaat ul-Fuqra’s leader Sheikh Mubarak Gilani telling followers to “act like you’re his friend. Then kill him.”
According to the Religion of Peace website, there have been more than 250 jihad attacks by Muslims around the globe – including two inside the U.S. – in just the last two months.The death toll from the attacks has surpassed 1,400, the report says.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119087
New MOA Terror Training Video Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebg6AFylios&feature=player_embedded
“but they should be equaled to a traffic accident or a local murder.”
Vivo has blurted out the truth. This is how the leftist establishment and the Obama administration essential perceive the matter of Islamic terrorism. By all rights, their attitude should horrify you. You and your loved ones are in serious danger.
“I am marveling whether Obama is: (a) just a dolt, (b) the agent of some foreign power or interests who is relentlessly inflicting those interests upon this country”
Obama is something of a poorly educated dolt —but he is not a member of an overt conspiracy against the United States. This sort of John Bircher nonsense must be resoundly rejected. We don’t have time to fight phantoms and other imaginary enemies. Obama is your typical Ivy League postmodernist. The Western world is allegedly racist and has consistently crapped on the dark skinned inhabitants of the Third World. Nothing presumably can be done effectively against terrorism until we beg for forgiveness from our victims. They have the full right to be enraged at America and the other Western nations. Mea culpa, mea culpa, we are so disgusting.
19. carla:
You are right. If the Muslims were sincerely against their own terrorist acts, they should not only feel sorry about them, but PROACTIVELY persecute the jihadists. The ball is in their court.
That’s why I strongly support removing our troops out of the Middle East and make those governments responsible for eliminating the terrorists. If they don’t do it, THEN we can declare a war on them as accomplices.
20. David Thomson:
I guess you love REALLY LARGE headlines and TV blabbering. Better switch to telenovelas . . . They will really entertain you.
15. vivo:
13. Phranc:
“Are you honestly suggesting we just pretend these things don’t happen and not report on the dangers because it might embolden some one who wants to kill for his imaginary god? The laws of war don’t apply but not for the reasons you think.”
No, I don’t say we pretend they don’t happen. They should be reported, but they should be equaled to a traffic accident or a local murder. People are smart enough to know what’s dangerous without being sensationalistic. The publicity can also hamper investigations. Security forces can deal with them, including their elimination without trials.
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OK so acts of war should be treated like traffic accidents. Yeah I can see that. Trying to kill 300 people should be treated just like a fender bender on the beltway.
18. vivo:
16. Thomas_L:
The point is we know where they generally are, but you can’t just bomb all their innocent neighbors. They are just a few thousands spread around the world, including your own neighborhood. Maybe we should send a cluster bomb to that suspect living next door to you . . . .
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A few thousand? There are more then a few thousand in Gaza alone. I can see why you want acts of war treated like a traffic accident you can’t even be honest enough to admit to the real number of enemies.
The leftist view that Islamist terrorism is a result of ‘US imperialism’ is completely wrong and actually INCITES terrorism. his is Obama’s view and his method of dealing with terrorism is to deny that such an agenda, of attacking the US exists. Obama incites terrorism. Why?
Islamic fascism, which began in the 1800′s is not a reaction to the West but to the lack of power in their own affairs by an expanding Middle East population. Rather than enabling a middle class to emerge with economic and political power in this class, the Old Way of hereditary tribal leadership was retained, often by military force and then by theological force. This led to fascism which is a fight for Power.
To claim that a people do ‘powerful things’ such as terrorist actions ONLY because another people, the USA, has incited them to react (by US imperialism)…is a clear statement that left on their own, these Muslim people are without power.
The ‘US is the cause of terrorism’ is actually a statement that ‘They never do a thing unless acted upon by the US’.
This is Obama’s view, and his denial that terrorism exists, his rejection of their Power, his demotion of their acts to ‘isolate criminal acts’ is inciting Al Qaeda to PROVE their cohesive power…by carrying out more attacks against the US.
VIVO
It is difficult for me to accept that you are as dim as you seem to be.
All of the saboteurs weren’t executed. Dasch and Burger cooperated with authorities to expose the plot and were only imprisoned until the end of the war; they were then repatriated to Germany.
RE #15/vivo RE #13/Phranc:
[...] No, I don’t say we pretend they don’t happen. They should be reported, but they should be equaled to a traffic accident or a local murder. [...]
Oh, lordy, vast is your garden, but sometimes I simply cannot understand the ways of some creatures like Vivo you cared to design for populating it!
Find them? Obama and this twit Neapolitano can’t even seem to admit they exist. It’s a politically correct suicide pact, apparently. Better to die than offend.
This President’s remarks show administration still hasn’t figured whether to treat terrorists as criminals or combatants. This is a fundamental question that Bush tried to grapple with, but this administration hasn’t clarified where we stand
http://foreignobjectdamage.blogspot.com/2009/12/are-terrorist-criminals-or-combatants.html
Now the true story of yesterday’s Obama press conference can finally be told:
GOLFOCALYPSE NOW!
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/golfocalypse-now/
RE #14/ misanthropicus:
[...] So, I hope that I am not alone when, one year in Obama’s luminous presidency, I am marveling whether Obama is: (a) just a dolt, (b) the agent of some foreign power or interests who is relentlessly inflicting those interests upon this country, (c) a curious yet pernicious mixture thereof [...]
Charlie Krauthammer once describe Obama’s presidency as “all what he will be remembered for will be… being elected” – marciful description of a presidency whose actual & only performance is a pendulum-like bounce between idiocy and sedition.
Krauthammer hits again: “Obama’s Flaccid, Meaningless Words On…” (Was that Hertzberg who described again Obama as intellectual, deliberate, penetrating?)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/12/29/krauthammer_rips_obamas_flaccid_meaningless_words_on_iranian_revolutionl
“Islamic fascism, which began in the 1800’s is not a reaction to the West but to the lack of power in their own affairs”
The impotence and rage of much of the Islamic world towards the West is misdirected. The cause of their backwardness and sense of powerlessness is self-inflicted. They have nobody to really blame but their own forefathers. Those long dead males opted to mostly condemn rational thought and the scientific method. In other words, the Muslims are second rate because of their hesitation to embrace the values of the West. The only ones who have their act halfway together are those who have essentially abandoned their ancient anti-intellectual traditions. This is probably the reason so many of the terrorists are hard science graduates. They feel guilty for “insulting” God.
What the hell do we need his DNA for?
You guys are being a little dense when it comes to Vivo’s comments. The willful misreading is a little tiresome, since you’re all essentially in agreement on the key point of killing the bad actors here.
Vivo’s pretty plainly talking about a “guilty as charged” MEDIA treating these things with the attention they’d give a traffic accident or local (read: unsensational) murder so that the MIL/LAW-ENFORCEMENT/NATSEC can take the necessary action, including killing the perps, away from the glaring sensational attention of the cameras.
He/she’s basically asking that the media allow the government to do its job defending the country, like the way FDR was allowed to handle the German sabateurs that landed on our shores — without sensationalistic and sympathetic-to-the-enemy media coverage. Can you guys imagine if every Nazi or Imperial Japanese had been treated to the media red carpet that required all our government officials including the president to refer to them as “alleged” criminals?
Relax, put your shirts back on, and re-read what the guy said before you crucify him, else risk looking like exactly the war-mongering, “un-nuanced” numbskull caricature the MSM and lefty blogs love to paint PJM commenters and the rest of us right-of-center folk as. Stop giving the other side of the debate ammo, and learn to recognize who’s on your side before going off half-cocked.
It’ll improve the discourse here, which is generally very good but made tiresome by stuff like this. David and Phranc, I’m referring specifically to your comments above, which were responding to phantom points raised by your imagination, not Vivo’s comment.
best,
vincenzo
I think the Pres is still hoping the phone does not ring at 3:00 a.m.
This is the sort of thing that gets Republicans elected. Washington then turns Republicans into Democrats.
We are doomed.
Incidentally, Vivo,
has it occurred to you that rather than withdraw our troops from Iraq/Afghanistan to wait until they screw the pooch on prosecuting their jihadi’s before sending ‘em all back in again to enforce order, that we went in in the first place because (a) Afghan’s government wasn’t prosecuting their jihadi’s, and (b) neither was the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq?
Before getting too high-minded in your evenhandedness, perhaps a re-read of contemporary events from the time we went in, including the unedited/unfiltered words of the then-leaders like GW Bush & co. would preempt your making an easy target of yourself on comment threads like this one.
Unless you think the idea of multi-billion dollar logistics exercises for no particular reason are a good idea for our military to be occupying itself with while the war rages on, that is.
vivo’s in a hard place: trying to defend the undefendable position of Obama, who, like Kerry before him, believes this is not war but mere criminal actions.
Obama and Kerry both believe (wrongly) these are criminal matters, not acts of war.
War has been declared upon us by a brilliantly diffused enemy spanning multiple nations with the tacit support of those nations that gives them plausible deniable. Very slick.
Vivo knows these acts are beyond mere criminality — the enemy’s plan is public knowledge and they’re proud of it.
“There are many more like me.”
This is all consistent with O.’s modus operandi. He’s not by nature a fighter, nor any sort of leader. He’s a “billable hours” kind of guy. He earns his living by voting “present.” The only solution is to replace him with someone who has some innate leadership abilities. Unfortunately, we can’t even dream about doing that for another three years.
I want to know how and who bullied a boarding agent into allowing this terrorist onto an America bound flight without a passport. I want to know when the president knew about this incident and the process for shaping and producing his response. Personally I am tired of what appears to be some sort of group deliberation on every single bill, every single incident and every single event. If this president isn’t confident enough in his own abilities to at the very least offer an opinion within 24 hours, then why is he in this office anyway? I notice that he wasn’t at all demur in offering his opinions on the Prof vs the Cop incident, so we know he has opinions. Why is he oh so careful and hesitant to produce them, unless his personal views are so far out of the norm that they would alienate those who supported him and who still love this nation?
The brilliant right-wingers have spoken. They KNOW how to deal with terrorism. But in EIGHT years they just managed to increase the danger. Oh, so magnificent minds. Saviors of the world.
I’m done here today.
What is the issue here? The terrorists are merely carrying out the dictates of the Koran. The Koran is the word of god to Muhammad and is not subject to interpretation or revision. It clearly states to make war on the infidels until Islam is supreme. There are no ‘innocents’ in this war, only active participants and supporters. The lack of any protests of any kind decrying these acts in any muslin nation is a sure sign. The only question here is: How many of our people will be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness and world opinion before action is taken? The argument that we will become like our killers falls on deaf ears when we are being blown out of the sky or bombed in our cities. Will it take the detonation of a nuclear device on US soil to bury political correctness on the ash heap of history where it belongs? How many of our young people in the service will need to be sacrificed with ridiculous ROE’s in order to bow to the sensitivities of the Moslem mob? For far too long we have heard the elites and liberals tell us that this war is our fault and if we only understood all would be well. This is the thought process of idiots. You cannot appease a religion whose sole purpose is the subjugation of others. You can only fight it with everything at your disposal.
The most frightening part of Obama’s speech for me was his insincerity. It was as if he was annoyed to be there, and the way he presented the speech, reading it quickly and without passion, makes me wonder if he cares at all. I feel like this administration just thinks the American public is stupid so they can say whatever they want, however they want, and we will fall for it.
Obama will, in all likelihood, lose the next election. However, nothing will improve until control of security is taken away from the unions and returned to the government. We must transform the agency from Homeland Jobs Security to just plain Homeland Security.
Hey Vivo, #46, I thought all of this “Hope and Change” was going to make the world LOVE us? All of this bowing, grovelling, and apologizing was going to make all this nasty terrorism go away, right? Mr. Big Ears in the White House was going to go to the United Nations and kiss so much muslim ass that no one would try to bomb us ever again, right? So what happened, sonny? Did the big bad jihadists prove that Obama was wrong in trying to reach out to them? And I’m still waiting for all of that “good will” from Iran, North Korea, and Syria to come pouring in. Yes, we’ve been at this for a year now and aren’t you amazed at the positive results we’ve been getting? Any more good years like this and we’ll probably see New York City disappear in a nuclear fireball.
46. vivo:
The brilliant right-wingers have spoken. They KNOW how to deal with terrorism. But in EIGHT years they just managed to increase the danger. Oh, so magnificent minds. Saviors of the world.
I’m done here today.
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When you arguments are failure use false arguments. Can you prove that over the last 8 years ( one of witch is under the marxists)that “right wingers” increased the danger?
You are done because you can’t even begin to be intellectually honest and instead of admitting that you run away when you liberal pipe dreams go up in smoke in light of reality.
29. David Thomson: “This sort of John Bircher nonsense must be resoundly rejected. We don’t have time to fight phantoms and other imaginary enemies.”
Is it really relevant whether or not BO might be some sort of a foreign ‘agent?’ John Bircher or no John Bircher nonsense, this man’s attitude is utterly inappropriate and downright dangerous. As you pointed out above, “This is how the leftist establishment and the Obama administration essential perceive the matter of Islamic terrorism. By all rights, their attitude should horrify you. You and your loved ones are in serious danger.” Some way should be found (legally, of course) to remove this man from office.
As a self-proclaimed Muslim sympathizer, episodically professed, BHO evidently has no interest whatever either in confronting Iran’s murderous mullah-dullahs or in safeguarding his despised White America from jihadis’ mass assault. A vile anti-Semite, racist to the core, this Farrakhanist street-thug would do nip-ups to see Tel Aviv vanish beneath Ahmadinejad’s sacerdotal mushroom cloud. Meantime, el Maximo thrives on escalating crises– New York as a prime target for his terrorist confreres suits BHO just fine.
Given this illegitimate poseur’s extraordinarily destructive initiatives on every front, we assert that civil collapse excusing tyranny by act of martial law is his true aim. Maoist in fact if not in name, retrogressive anarcho-syndicalism is Reid/Pelosi-crats’ atavistic, reactionary stock-in-trade. Insular, irresponsible, corruptly unaccountable, sixty U.S. Senators goose-step as one towards legislation representing the antithesis of every Founders’ tenet, as indeed they know.
When civil disintegration literally threatens individual survival (recall Comrade Ayers’ fond advocacy of death-camps for fifty million anti-Statist recusants), there will be blood. How ironic that as spoiled-brat Baby Boomers turn sixty-five in 2010 they will discover that their self-awarded benefits are uniformly worthless, their delusive self-esteem a death-trap enabling predators to sink them all in suppurating socialist cesspools. Perishing in anonymity, their legacy of impoverishment and serfdom will live on, for they have fed like locusts on the Enlightened West’s seed-corn.
“Is it really relevant whether or not BO might be some sort of a foreign ‘agent?’”
The John Bircher madness has long encouraged people to fight imaginary enemies. This allowed the real threat to the West to get much worse! George W. Bush and John Kerry, for instance, are not colluding together to take over the world. There are no secret phone calls during the early morning hours discussing how they will split up the power and wealth of America. No, they simply attended Ivy League institutions where the advocacy of big government policies is taken for granted. The intellectual virus of political correctness pervades the corridors of these major universities. This is the beginning and end of the matter. It’s all about cultural values, a shared way of looking at the world.
Vivo#46 – we were kept safe over the past 8 years by Bush, who acknowledged that Islamic fascism was a POWER, and defined it as evil and engaged in acts of war against the West. Now that Obama is denying that they are a power and reducing them to ‘isolate criminal acts’ Al Qaeda has refocused on the US, to prove that they exist as a cohesive power.
Bush’s policy was to push the misdirected Al Qaeda attacks against the West back into the Islamic countries. As I and David Thomson have pointed out, the root cause of Islamic fascism is within the Islamic nations themselves.
It has nothing to do with the West but is due to the refusal to hand over hereditary economic and political tribal power to a middle class. The Islamic rejection of the use of reason, science and the rejection of individualism, put the ME nations into a deep freeze, unable to adapt to and interact with the modern world.
Trying to retain power, the Islamic tribalists set up The West as the source of all problems, refusing to acknowledge the internal reality. We see this happening right now in Iran, with people fighting for democratic power and the elite rejecting this demand..and blaming the US for their problems.
Obama’s profound ignorance of history and of societal structures and his leftist laziness that accepts the White Guilt/American Guilt envelope of causality…has incited Al Qaeda to again, prove that it is a cohesive power. We’ll see more attacks – and these are due and only to, Obama.
My concern/fear is that Obama will overreact to a future unforseen incident, which will set off a chain reaction of horrendous consequences; i.e. he will attempt to prove that he is “macho-man”.
VIVO
fyi: you were done years before you showed up here.
I am beginning to think that Obama is simply a cretin.
A marxist and subversive cretin, but a cretin.
Which makes his whole administration doubly dangerous.
They can get easily scared and they can do something really stupid.
If only we had a Congress made of serious people !
ken67
Some serious overreaction is exactly what is called for. And before you reply that such a course will only stir up more hatred…….so be it. It would be a pleasure to accomodate all the wannabe martyrs out there and hasten there ascent to heaven and the 72 virgins. One mans death is a tragedy, a million or two is just a statistic. And there passing would help stave off global warming. Added bonus.
David Thomson @ #43: Islam was not always the way it is today. In its younger days, there was a tremendous amount of intellectual ferment and inquiry within the Muslim world Indeed, much of what we have from the Greeks was a consequence of Moslems (and Jews) having delved into Greek philosophy. (I might add that for Jews some of the most interesting expansions into non-Jewish intellectual thought, i.e., Greek philosophy, occurred in Moslem lands. Think Maimonides, ibn Gabriol, ibn Ezra, etc. Regretfully such endeavors ended shortly after the expulsion from Spain in 1492.) For Islam, what seemed to have brought all of its intellectual endeavors to a screeching halt were the Mongol invasions of the 12 (or 13th century), at least according to Bernard Lewis. To give an idea of how devastating those invasions were, the city of Baghdad went from a population of 800,000 to 60,000 within a very short period.
Moslem culture apparently never recovered from the Mongol invasions. So today we are “blessed” with an Islam that is a backward, murderous, political ideology that is at war with us.
Vivo at 16,
Congratulations! I try to avoid calling people stupid on this site when I post or reply, but your comment above can’t be explained away in any other terms. You just aren’t making much sense when you say that we fight them when they show up.
Al queda declared war on the US in the 1990′s, attacked the World Trade Center in 1994, our embasy in Kenya in 1998, and the USS Cole in 2000. In 2001 they killed 3000 of us in a few hours.
They are an irregular force that doesn’t wear uniforms who safe harbor secretly in lawless lands like Somalia or in areas of weak central authority like western Pakistan or Yemen.
A responsible campaign against this scum means that you fight them where they hole up, you don’t wait for them to pop up and strike us. This is why we have Special Forces capability, the CIA, and remote controlled drone arial forces. These elements are to be deployed and employed by the Commander in Chief and his military subordinates to ferret out and kill the enemy who declared war on us.
The media is guilty of alot of things, ignorance and Marxist sympathy being high on the list. The media is not responsible for Al queda’s war on us, Al Queda is.
Your comment listed at 16 above reveals your misunderstanding of the enemy, it’s declaration of war on us, it’s area of refuge and of effective tactics that the west can employ to cause the destruction of the opposing force. Your silly statement implies that you are looking at the declaration of war as a legal problem, not as a military challenge. You reveal your ignorance of the situation when you respond as you did above.
This is not a public relations problem that can be solved by adopting a less combative “face” towards the enemy. It is a military challenge that requires actionable intelligence and direct action against the enemy and those who harbor them. I trust that some day you will extract your head from your Marxist A%& long enough to learn a little bit about the real world in which our enemies seek to kill innocent people.
By the way, if you disagree remember that your friends are exclusively in charge now and it is your responsibility to win in the face of enemy agression. What is your solution?
Don’t be so hard on the president. He was on vacation and he might have been doing a little blow. We gave him permission to do that. Recall that he wrote about using drugs and doing a little dealing in his famous book. There are published pictures of him, taken during his youth, showing him smoking marijuana. Those pictures were available and shown during the campaigns.
We gave him permission. So, why now do we begrudge him a little vacation?
Truth is, it’s hard to get all fired up about anything when you’re smoking an ounce of Maui-Wowie every day during your vacation . . . . .
Jack in Silver Spring#55 – I’m not a fan of Bernard Lewis and I think that a claim that a set of 13th century battles ended Islamic intellectual thought – suggests that the ideology in itself is inherently flawed and unable to regenerate itself.
And, as you read the Qu’ran and Hadiths, you’ll see the rejection of individual freedom of thought and action, the rejection of the use of reason and empirical observation, which obviously means the rejection of science…and the rejection, indeed, of life, and a focus on passive acceptance and life viewed as merely ‘waiting for death’.
There was never any intellectual inquiry in the Islamic world, though there was a great deal of preservation of the texts of other people’s thoughts and a few key analysts of these philosophies.
Yet later in his statement, President Obama, while pledging to “use every element of our national power to disrupt, to dismantle and defeat the violent extremists who threaten us”
You misconstrued this statement by our alleged President. He wasn’t referring to Muslims, he was referring to Republicans and other loyal Americans. And by “us” he wasn’t referring to the U.S., but rather to the hard-left cabal at the apex of the government.
See? Now it all makes a lot more sense, doesn’t it?
Vivo at 46,
“Im done here today.”
Your a complete chicken in addition to making your stupid comment at 16 above. You don’t possess the testicular fortitude to back your intellectual position regarding Al Queda so you run away. You evade responsibility, just like President Obama. What a childlike reaction. How predictable.
Another thing about the Nazi saboteurs captured in WW2 – they were found guilty, sentenced and executed on the same day, in fact, literally within hours.
Their tribunal trial took more than one day, but the verdict was delivered and the sentence adjudged and carried out within less than six hours.
Because there was no appeal allowed, there was no point in delaying execution. They were hanged inside an elevator shaft with a hastily-rigged gallows across it (from the third floor, IIRC).
Jack in Silver Spring #55, Islam may have had its times of cultural advancement throughout the years, but for the last several hundred it has had a violent and intolerant history, from India to the Mediterranean. Its allegedly peaceful and tolerant majorities are entirely too silent about the murderous misogyny being perpetrated in the name of their religion, so one wonders how many of them really object. If there were a murderous Christian (or Jewish) movement spreading the globe and butchering untold thousands, I am confident the great majority of Christians around the globe, together with their most prominent leaders, would be speaking out en masse, holding marches and vigils and services to denounce the violence and disassociate from its perpetrators. One hears little if any of that from the global precincts of the religion of peace. Many Muslims are afraid to speak out for fear of isolation or retribution? Tough. Anyone think that would be excused of Christians or Jews?
I for one have zero interest in the putatively enlightened Muslims of yore, whose contributions to civilization are greatly exaggerated in any event. I care far more that the Saudi-funded aggressive spread of its most virulent toxic death cult aspects seem to be gaining support all over the world. The notion spread by the failed Marxists of Obama’s ilk, namely that it is a “peoples’” reaction to oppression by the evil West, is preposterous in the face of facts such as that most of its international terrorists are educated and affluent and that their own primitive “nations” are little more than tribal cults empowered by vast amounts of unearned wealth and technology gullibly handed to them by more evolved cultures. They need to be exposed for what they are and held accountable. What has happened is precisely the opposite, as the West hands over its wealth, its power and its freedom to barbarians. A science fiction novel presenting the same scenario on a fictional planet would seem too farfetched to be plausible.
by Ron Radosh
When will the president face the reality of the war we have to wage?
¿ when will you realize he is on the other side of the war ?
Victor Erimita @ #61: I don’t think we disagree, although I do think the Moslem contribution is more important than you might think it is. (I just wanted to point out that the present does not reflect the past.) Be that as it may, my last paragraph is fully concords with the current problem you point to, which is the murderous Islam of the present. Indeed, what is important for us today is not the past, but the problems we face today.
President Obama had his second news conference about the Christmas terrorist attack since the story would not go away; however, he refuses to call the terrorist a terrorist. He’s an “extremist” This is the problem with President Obama & most of the other Democrats: We are the enemy & America is bad. We the people don’t want to hear it! The clueless Obama is still living high in ObamaLand. Reality is breaking in & causing everything to stir. Obama is more prepared this time since he has a telepromnter speech all ready & waiting to parrot. When is Obama going to buy a clue to discover his so-called magic is gone? He never had it & the emperor has no clothes.
And this P.O.S. president Obama won’t even say thanks to the hero of the flight for saving all those people. This hero would be given the thanks and accolades he deserves if Bush were in office.
I can’t say one sentence without using swear words to describe the P.O.S. occupying the White House right now. He makes me so angry that he thinks he represents the People of the United States.
I’ve seen worse appointments to government positions, but he comes extremely close to being the worst. The way he’s going, he’ll make number one very soon.
When Bush wasn’t heard from for a few hours after the 9/11 plane crashes, he was crucified by the liberal elitists and mainstream media. Contrast this with Obama who isn’t heard from for 3 days and even had the audacity and arrogance to play golf after hearing of the failed terrorist attack, and the MSM and his uber-idealogue peacenik supporters gave him a pass…AGAIN.
In less than a year in office with Obama, we’ve already had a terrorist attack right in our own backyard with the senseless killing of 14 military men and women (including the unborn baby) and almost 300 killed on the Christmas Day terrorist attack. This in comparison to Bush’s administration which vigorously took the fight to the terrorists in their lands and kept us safe back home from 9/12/2001 until 14 Jan 2009.
America, are you safer today under Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress who cannot even publicly acknowledge that Hassan is a terrorist and naively believe that terrorists should be treated as criminals rather than battlefield warriors intent on bringing the West down using any means possible? This should be your guiding question when you vote in 2010 and in 2012.
Vivo -
“The brilliant right-wingers have spoken. They KNOW how to deal with terrorism. But in EIGHT years they just managed to increase the danger.”
I’ve heard some left-wing pundits opine that the current TSA policies, which (apparently) were lax enough to enable the Christmas terrorist attacks, were simply carry-overs from the TSA policies enacted under the Bush administration.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that is correct. Let’s assume, for a moment, that NO ‘relaxation’ occurred in the TSA and/or the DHS under the Obama administration.
Now, given the above assumption, wouldn’t it be a valid question to ask: why was this underwear-bomb attack NOT MADE while Bush was in office?
Given the left-wingers logic, we were MORE at risk under the Bush administration……AND YET…..this attack occurred under the current administration. Somehow, I can’t see the planning for this underwear bomb fiasco lasting more than a couple of months. Meaning, this thing was developed from idea to (botched) implementation entirely during the current administration.
So Vivo, you’ve got your choice. Either:
a) terrorists wanted to make this attempt while Bush was in office but the security was too strict and they dared not try until now (meaning security measures were relaxed) OR…
b) terrorists DIDN’T want to make this attempt while Bush was in office but decided, for whatever reason, to make the attempt, or…
c) Actually, there is no third choice.
Which is it Vivo? Are we REALLY ‘safer’ now?
Obama will never respond to attacks on the U.S. He believes the U.S. is a bad place, made bad by whites. He is a neo-communist as are nearly all of his appointees. The great shame is that we no longer have an honest working media to expose this fraudulent evil man.
It is Obama’s sincere belief that jihad can be controlled by treating these attackers as common criminals. He believes that we can bring them to justice and convict them of their crimes and convince the remainder that they cannot get away with these crimes. The failure of the premise is that law enforcement rarely ever prevents crimes before they are committed. These Muslim fanatics train like an army to commit these crimes and the goal is mass murder, even if that means self sacrifice. This army has no real fire power, so they fight their enemy the only way they can, with acts of terrorism. This makes them somewhat different from common criminals. But everyone knew Obama’s convictions before we elected him, and now we have the result, no safety. Obama thinks his pacifism got him elected, he won’t change until he sees that the same pacifist approach will get him unelected, and only then will he change. This man is an empty suit who has no real morals. Finally, I will submit only three words about Janet. What an idiot!
If they can’t call them terrorists then atleast call them saboteurs. This is this administrations argument that W sensationalized the terror threat so he could take take away our rights and freedom and start wars for no good reason. Meanwhile there have been more terror incidents in the US during ’09 than there was from 9/11 until he took his thrown.
obama wants us to bow, just facing the other way
Extremist vs. Terrorist
Dictionary.com lists leading ‘categorical’ Synonyms:
EXTREMIST:
zealot
revolutionary
die-hard
rabid
revolutionist
fanatical
fanatic
TERRORIST:
incendiary
guerrilla
thug
subversive
alarmist
rebel
goon
We have a not only a “change” in the language from one administration to the next, we’ve witnessed a “change” in perception.
These are no longer ‘incendiary’ acts carried out by ‘subversive’ ‘thugs’ and ‘goons.’ Rather, they’ve evolved into ‘fanatic’ actions carried out by ‘die-hard’ ‘revolutionary’ ‘zealots’
You might might be thinking it all sounds the same same but does it? The way we perceive words like revolutionary and die-hard usually garner sympathy, because of the way it’s used and presented most commonly in our language. The words thug & goon, often enjoy cooler receptions as do words like incendiary or subversive.
16. vivo:
When the Germans declared war, we fought the Germans.
your history book must have been written by Saul Alinsky or some revisionist.
until the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour the Americans were divided on the European war.
The administration, which finally went in the right direction on it’s Afghan policy, is blowing it regarding the 253 incident. Here’s how:
1) The 23 year old piece of human debris who attempted to kill the innocents on the NW flight was “mirandized” and treated like a pick pocket. A valuable chance at enhanced interogation was missed. This excuse for a human should have been diverted to a military facility for interogation then trial. His act was an act of war, not a crime. Obama is confused about this. Roosevelt would not have been.
2)Napolitano’s Home Security apparatus broke down completely, as did Hillary’s State Dept. The fact that their computers didn’t flag this scum is negligent.
3) The administration has followed Bush’s negligent policy of no profiling. El Al doesn’t screw up like this. They profile and have a near perfect record of avoiding terror incidents in the air.
4) The Administration has yet to fully take the gloves off and employ it’s assets in the field to put Islamic terrorist scum on the run. Yemen and Somalia are safe havens. The POTUS has not done his job in doing what is necessary to find these murderers and send them to find their virgins. It takes little imagination and relatively little money to put the killers on defense, especially when the Saudis would no doubt help.
Eventually, President Obama is going to begin to understand that his first job is to protect us from enemies,foreign and domestic. He needs to get his Harvard/Columbia head around his oath of office and show some understanding of it. To date he has demonstrated that he knows where the 1st tee is, but knows relatively little about his first responsibility; I suppose his prior friends didn’t give him much reason to learn what those responsibilities might be.
Wake up, rookie!
He is a MOSLEM! His cultural sympathies lie with those who practice his religion and who experienced his upbringing. Isn’t it OBVIOUS by now????
I’m wondering if a mushroom cloud appeared over what was once NYC, would Obamao and his lefty supporters treat this as just another criminal case to be tried in a court of law? Or would they blame FOX news for fearmongering and spreading vicious rumors?
To Vivo:
Your name will end up on a list.
The weak Obama administration may not act, but these lists can last forever.
You are crossing the line between being an impartial commentator and a defendant for this terrorist.
Why, oh why does anybody think that this president wants to do ANYTHING about terrorism ?!?!?!?
Has he provided us with the smallest bit of evidence to suggest that he has the slightest concern with the subject?
I think not.
Accept what your eyes tell you. Accept the obvious. Get comfortable with the plain facts.
And get busy!
The only question worth asking or answering at this point is what we are going to DO about it.
Vivo:
“they should be equaled to a traffic accident”
Oops, sorry officer, I was late for work and my underwear caught on fire!
45. cenzo:
“You guys are being a little dense when it comes to Vivo’s comments. The willful misreading is a little tiresome, since you’re all essentially in agreement on the key point of killing the bad actors here.”
Thank you cenzo. You CAN read. These guys run after me because they read my posts and think I’m a rabid extremist. The problem is that they don’t compare notes, they just shoot and then see what trascends. Then they complain about not having a conversation and classify different opinions as “trolls”. No wonder the Democrats are eating them up wholesale.
47. cenzo:
“Incidentally, Vivo,
has it occurred to you that rather than withdraw our troops from Iraq/Afghanistan to wait until they screw the pooch on prosecuting their jihadi’s before sending ‘em all back in again to enforce order”
After years and years of fighting jihadists and having very few results, doesn’t anyone think that the approach is WRONG? Someone should draw a different strategy. Obama has made some efforts, but they don’t work instantly. Meanwhile, i think the troops are mostly a waste of resources and money. Much more can be accomplished with much less. And the foreign governments should take way more responsibility, IF THEY MEAN IT. Like Carla said, no Muslims have apologized for any terrorist attacks (or the media has obscured this)
48. Koblog:
“Vivo knows these acts are beyond mere criminality — the enemy’s plan is public knowledge and they’re proud of it.”
Exactly.
58. ETAB:
“ivo#46 – we were kept safe over the past 8 years by Bush, who acknowledged that Islamic fascism was a POWER, and defined it as evil and engaged in acts of war against the West. Now that Obama is denying that they are a power and reducing them to ‘isolate criminal acts’ ”
They ARE a power, but mostly because we make them look bigger than what they are. The press is at fault here. You fight them silently and ignore them publicly. And demand their apologies and reparations. Make them look bad within their own peaceful Islamists.
64. Samizdat:
“A responsible campaign against this scum means that you fight them where they hole up, you don’t wait for them to pop up and strike us.”
If we had been doing this, why aren’t they eliminated? This proves the locals are supporting their jihadists. Can’t win wars without local support.
77. Curtis M:
“Which is it Vivo? Are we REALLY ’safer’ now?”
We are never ‘safer’ with any type of terrorism.
And i think it’s idiotic to politicize American security. It has nothing to do with republicans and democrats. It’s NATIONAL security.
82. cabeza de vaca:
Getting into technicalities is a waste ot time.
Vivo -
“And i think it’s idiotic to politicize American security.”
Well. Doesn’t THAT sound nice. Problem is Vivo, conservatives and liberals have COMPLETELY different ideas of just what constitutes “American security” and the best means to accomplish this.
Since American foreign policy is directly tied to American security, you might as well say that it would be idiotic to politicize our foreign policy, and yet we’ve been suffering through the politicization (is that even a word?) of our foreign policy ever since the leftist protests over Viet Nam.
Yet, now that we have a leftist in office, suddenly NOW it is ‘idiotic’ to politicize American security? BS
89. Curtis M:
“Problem is Vivo, conservatives and liberals have COMPLETELY different ideas of just what constitutes “American security” and the best means to accomplish this.”
I disagree. Security is a TECHNICAL endeavor. Just like the Armed Forces. You plan and execute. Politicians are just playing games and following lobbyists ‘advice’.
It’s part of Obama’s adgenda my friend’s. What would be a better way to destroy America ?
There is no crisis unless the Obama soldiers make it one. And the media marches to the same tune.
Both sources have burned their bridges on credibility.
Margaret Thatcher said it most profoundly:
“Security is not taught at universities because when you have one mistake, you have complete failure.”
His adgenda is right on course !
Ron: excellent article!! it was a total failure!! i think we should call former president Bush and Veep Cheney and have them run the homeland security. this was the terrorists can only kill 3000 of us at a time!!!
what do you think?
Cybergeezer:
“Security is not taught at universities because when you have one mistake, you have complete failure.”
Then it’s a good thing that nobody ever put margaret thatcher in charge of designing a secure system. If one mistake can cause a breach, you’re basically screwed. Pay some attention, and you’ll notice that real-world breaches are caused by multiple screw-ups.
Look up “defense in depth” sometime.
“…Obama has all of the leadership qualities of a substitute teacher….”
That’s a HUGE insult to substitute teachers everywhere!