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	<title>Comments on: My Final Words on Pete Seeger: Part II</title>
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		<title>By: RightWingBob.com &#187; Odds and Ends</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/05/09/my-final-words-on-pete-seeger-part-ii/#comment-3120</link>
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		<description>[...] who are guilty of nothing other than making records. And also read Ron Radosh&#8217;s post: My Final Words on Pete Seeger: Part II. ...................Share [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Wells</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/05/09/my-final-words-on-pete-seeger-part-ii/#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to sidestep the politics.  The &quot;folk music&quot; I was introduced to was on top-40, AM radio - Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell, etc, and I didn&#039;t get the excitement.    I couldn&#039;t understand how a song about a murder (Tom Dooley) could be so saccharin, and popular.  And I&#039;ve never figured out the Weavers - talk about M.O.R.  One day a friend played the Pete Seeger with Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee album for me, and I was hooked.  I&#039;ve been listening to folk, and roots ever since.  Not so much the singer-songwriters that took folk over, though.  And Queen Baez has never moved me.  Back to Pete:  the guy&#039;s recordings opened a whole world of music to me, and his live performances (the first time I saw him was in Chicago, &#039;69 or &#039;70, and I told my girlfriend he was so old I wanted to see him before he died - talk about a youthful perspective)were masterful, and moving.  He epitomized the best of American musicology, and yes, (sidestep shuffle) the best of the left.  For me, despite whatever musical or political faults, without him generations would have not tasted American folk music, and American music would be less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to sidestep the politics.  The &#8220;folk music&#8221; I was introduced to was on top-40, AM radio &#8211; Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell, etc, and I didn&#8217;t get the excitement.    I couldn&#8217;t understand how a song about a murder (Tom Dooley) could be so saccharin, and popular.  And I&#8217;ve never figured out the Weavers &#8211; talk about M.O.R.  One day a friend played the Pete Seeger with Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee album for me, and I was hooked.  I&#8217;ve been listening to folk, and roots ever since.  Not so much the singer-songwriters that took folk over, though.  And Queen Baez has never moved me.  Back to Pete:  the guy&#8217;s recordings opened a whole world of music to me, and his live performances (the first time I saw him was in Chicago, &#8217;69 or &#8217;70, and I told my girlfriend he was so old I wanted to see him before he died &#8211; talk about a youthful perspective)were masterful, and moving.  He epitomized the best of American musicology, and yes, (sidestep shuffle) the best of the left.  For me, despite whatever musical or political faults, without him generations would have not tasted American folk music, and American music would be less.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete Seeger richly deserves to be insulted for his lack of knowledge.  One does not have the right to be willfully ignorant.  The truth about monsters like Fidel Castro are not hidden away in the Himilayan mountains or the graves of the ancient pharaohs.  On the contrary, a modern day individual possessing a decent I.Q. can readily find it quickly and in relative ease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete Seeger richly deserves to be insulted for his lack of knowledge.  One does not have the right to be willfully ignorant.  The truth about monsters like Fidel Castro are not hidden away in the Himilayan mountains or the graves of the ancient pharaohs.  On the contrary, a modern day individual possessing a decent I.Q. can readily find it quickly and in relative ease.</p>
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		<title>By: gus3</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to you, Ron!

Some years ago, I attended a Russian Orthodox church with a priest who came out of the &quot;pre-hippie generation.&quot; I was amazed to hear him tell how his generation detested the Sixties-era &quot;folk music&quot; performers, who had watered down the Stalinist history that had provided so much influence. The new performers tried to put a positive spin on it, but their musical ancestors knew how oppressive the Communist Objects of Worship really were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to you, Ron!</p>
<p>Some years ago, I attended a Russian Orthodox church with a priest who came out of the &#8220;pre-hippie generation.&#8221; I was amazed to hear him tell how his generation detested the Sixties-era &#8220;folk music&#8221; performers, who had watered down the Stalinist history that had provided so much influence. The new performers tried to put a positive spin on it, but their musical ancestors knew how oppressive the Communist Objects of Worship really were.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanoi Paris Hilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanoi Paris Hilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago, when Seeger was doing a benefit for the Friends of the Earth in San Francisco, I found myself alone with him for a few minutes in an elevator. At that time, one of Seeger&#039;s babies was the &quot;Hudson River Sloop&quot; project, which had launched the Clearwater, a really impressive gaff rigged replica of the typical cargo vessels on the Hudson before steam power became dominant well before the Civil War.  The objective was to publicize the then-rampant chemical (and visual) pollution of the magnificent Hudson Valley. 

One minor detail, however, was that the Clearwater, which had a diesel engine, and probably radar as well, had neglected to install holding tanks for its onboard toilets, and was illegally discharging the crew&#039;s turds directly into the river. Not such a big deal, actually, given that the Hudson is a big river; and no doubt, most of the cities on its banks were vastly deficient in their own wastewater processing. 

But this quintessential example of lefty enviro &quot;do as we say, not as we do, provided a golden opportunity to the NY Dep&#039;t of Environmental Conservation (DEC) to bust the Clearwater, engender a little publicity of their own, and embarrass  Seeger, the Clearwater&#039;s posturing righteous patron. Which indeed all occurred.  

So I snarkily mentioned the episode to Seeger in the elevator and the snarling rage which that elicited was something to behold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, when Seeger was doing a benefit for the Friends of the Earth in San Francisco, I found myself alone with him for a few minutes in an elevator. At that time, one of Seeger&#8217;s babies was the &#8220;Hudson River Sloop&#8221; project, which had launched the Clearwater, a really impressive gaff rigged replica of the typical cargo vessels on the Hudson before steam power became dominant well before the Civil War.  The objective was to publicize the then-rampant chemical (and visual) pollution of the magnificent Hudson Valley. </p>
<p>One minor detail, however, was that the Clearwater, which had a diesel engine, and probably radar as well, had neglected to install holding tanks for its onboard toilets, and was illegally discharging the crew&#8217;s turds directly into the river. Not such a big deal, actually, given that the Hudson is a big river; and no doubt, most of the cities on its banks were vastly deficient in their own wastewater processing. </p>
<p>But this quintessential example of lefty enviro &#8220;do as we say, not as we do, provided a golden opportunity to the NY Dep&#8217;t of Environmental Conservation (DEC) to bust the Clearwater, engender a little publicity of their own, and embarrass  Seeger, the Clearwater&#8217;s posturing righteous patron. Which indeed all occurred.  </p>
<p>So I snarkily mentioned the episode to Seeger in the elevator and the snarling rage which that elicited was something to behold!</p>
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		<title>By: Recruiting Animal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recruiting Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CBC Radio in Canada had a very impressive, 
one hour interview with Pete just a few weeks ago.

http://is.gd/y9WL

The thing that struck me about Pete is how lightly he deals with his own support for Stalin&#039;s regime.

It&#039;s painful to say you were wrong, especially in front of people you don&#039;t respect, but he likes to talk about heroes.

I might have agreed with your dismissal of ersatz folkies when I was 18. I see no reason to do so now. 

Few people are going to seek out music the purists love. So the people who mediate between the purists and the mass audience are the music&#039;s best propagandists.

Pat Boone is a great example of this kind of thing. Little Richard must have derived a lot of profit from Pat&#039;s version of Tutti Frutti. 

Was that a bad thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CBC Radio in Canada had a very impressive,<br />
one hour interview with Pete just a few weeks ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://is.gd/y9WL" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/y9WL</a></p>
<p>The thing that struck me about Pete is how lightly he deals with his own support for Stalin&#8217;s regime.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s painful to say you were wrong, especially in front of people you don&#8217;t respect, but he likes to talk about heroes.</p>
<p>I might have agreed with your dismissal of ersatz folkies when I was 18. I see no reason to do so now. </p>
<p>Few people are going to seek out music the purists love. So the people who mediate between the purists and the mass audience are the music&#8217;s best propagandists.</p>
<p>Pat Boone is a great example of this kind of thing. Little Richard must have derived a lot of profit from Pat&#8217;s version of Tutti Frutti. </p>
<p>Was that a bad thing?</p>
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