Comments on: Obama: Which Way on Iran? http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:39:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Judy, NYC http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2473 Judy, NYC Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:16:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2473 america is already nuked. we've got a moslem president ;who never met an islamic fascist he doesn't love. and, ms. hillary follows this empty suit. where do yu think all that obama campaign money came from. remember that? and how no one followed the money. you can't make this stuff up. you can only throw it up. america is already nuked. we’ve got a moslem president ;who never met an islamic fascist he doesn’t love. and, ms. hillary follows this empty suit. where do yu think all that obama campaign money came from. remember that? and how no one followed the money. you can’t make this stuff up. you can only throw it up.

]]> By: Michael Lonie http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2462 Michael Lonie Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:16:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2462 #31 Abdullah, Good points. In the hopes of educating The IWON I sent him three books I found instructive (among others) in my studies after 9/11. They were "What Went Wrong" and "The Crisis in Islam" both by Bernard Lewis, and "The Closed Circle" by David Pryce-Jones. I challenged him to read them by mentioning that Bush managed to read more than one serious book a week for the duration of his presidency. I doubt he'll bother, he does not strike me as a man who seeks to expand his information horizons, but I did what I could. For some time I have thought that a major reason that so few seem to take the Iranian nuke threat seriously is because the Iranians, particularly the Presidential Whackjob, speak in Shi'a terms. Westerners discount the words because they are in an unfamiliar idiom. Let us translate Ahmediwhacko's rants into Christian terms and see what he is saying. "The Second Coming is imminent and it is my duty to set off the Battle of Armageddon in preparation for the arrival of Jesus Christ. The Anti-Christ has come and he's either in Amerrica, Britain, or Israel. We can't tell which so we'll take out all three. Iran will arise triumpahnt from the Great War at the upcopming End of Days when Jesus comes. He'll show up at that well in the suburbs there." I think a lot of the people complacent about Iranian nukes now would be demanding preemptive nuclear war against Iran if they heard it expressed in Christian Apocalyptic terms. They'd understand the true danger of it better. #31 Abdullah,
Good points. In the hopes of educating The IWON I sent him three books I found instructive (among others) in my studies after 9/11. They were “What Went Wrong” and “The Crisis in Islam” both by Bernard Lewis, and “The Closed Circle” by David Pryce-Jones. I challenged him to read them by mentioning that Bush managed to read more than one serious book a week for the duration of his presidency. I doubt he’ll bother, he does not strike me as a man who seeks to expand his information horizons, but I did what I could.

For some time I have thought that a major reason that so few seem to take the Iranian nuke threat seriously is because the Iranians, particularly the Presidential Whackjob, speak in Shi’a terms. Westerners discount the words because they are in an unfamiliar idiom. Let us translate Ahmediwhacko’s rants into Christian terms and see what he is saying.

“The Second Coming is imminent and it is my duty to set off the Battle of Armageddon in preparation for the arrival of Jesus Christ. The Anti-Christ has come and he’s either in Amerrica, Britain, or Israel. We can’t tell which so we’ll take out all three. Iran will arise triumpahnt from the Great War at the upcopming End of Days when Jesus comes. He’ll show up at that well in the suburbs there.”

I think a lot of the people complacent about Iranian nukes now would be demanding preemptive nuclear war against Iran if they heard it expressed in Christian Apocalyptic terms. They’d understand the true danger of it better.

]]> By: Nomad http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2454 Nomad Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:32:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2454 also #29 first MUSLIM Prez .of a 'Christian Nation'. where do we have to go before total resistance of our totalitarian gov.??? IT"S BUNKER MENTALITY NOW>>>> also #29 first MUSLIM Prez .of a ‘Christian Nation’. where do we have to go before total resistance of our totalitarian gov.??? IT”S BUNKER MENTALITY NOW>>>>

]]> By: Moogie http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2450 Moogie Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:49:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2450 Bob Campbell: First, I must take exception to your term "deceptive as a cat." Cats are actually very nice creatures, and it's a huge insult to felines of all breeds to compare them to The Annointed One. Secondly, you are right about our own under 30 population. Many of them have been so indoctrinated into the liberal mind-set through their school and college years, that they are unable to see the privlidges they enjoy in this country. Instead, they shout "Death to the Jews!" on college campuses and laud the shoe-thrower as a hero. As I said in an earlier post: the liberal is not capable of understanding reason. They are like the proverbial child, who, when told not to pet the dog because it's dangerous, simply MUST find out for themselves. Perhaps the person who told them the dog was dangerous was basing that opinion on their own fear of dogs. So the child walks up to the dog. The dog bares his teeth. Undaunted, the child starts to reach his hand out to the dog. The dog lowers its head and starts growling. The hair along its spine starts to stand up. The child takes a step closer, and BAM! The dog attacks, biting off the child's hand. The child will cry for a bit, but ultimately, as a liberal, he will come to the only conclusion he is capable of reaching: that the dog is not evil; no - this dog is actually a VICTIM because someone must have oppressed the dog. The child is incapable of reasoning that the dog just might be a bad dog because he is innately bad. Elevate evil + destroy good = equality (in the mind of a true liberal) Bob Campbell: First, I must take exception to your term “deceptive as a cat.” Cats are actually very nice creatures, and it’s a huge insult to felines of all breeds to compare them to The Annointed One.

Secondly, you are right about our own under 30 population. Many of them have been so indoctrinated into the liberal mind-set through their school and college years, that they are unable to see the privlidges they enjoy in this country. Instead, they shout “Death to the Jews!” on college campuses and laud the shoe-thrower as a hero.

As I said in an earlier post: the liberal is not capable of understanding reason.

They are like the proverbial child, who, when told not to pet the dog because it’s dangerous, simply MUST find out for themselves. Perhaps the person who told them the dog was dangerous was basing that opinion on their own fear of dogs. So the child walks up to the dog. The dog bares his teeth. Undaunted, the child starts to reach his hand out to the dog. The dog lowers its head and starts growling. The hair along its spine starts to stand up. The child takes a step closer, and BAM! The dog attacks, biting off the child’s hand.

The child will cry for a bit, but ultimately, as a liberal, he will come to the only conclusion he is capable of reaching: that the dog is not evil; no – this dog is actually a VICTIM because someone must have oppressed the dog. The child is incapable of reasoning that the dog just might be a bad dog because he is innately bad.

Elevate evil + destroy good = equality (in the mind of a true liberal)

]]> By: Bob Campbell http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2439 Bob Campbell Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:19:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2439 Abdullah and Pat J. -- I enjoyed both of your comments. I think Obama is deceptive as a cat. As a socialist he will side with the "state" not the people in Iran. The real problem is I feel Obama is even more sympathetic to Islam than we think. That makes him very dangerous as the "so-called" leader of the Free World. Pat -- I think when young people live under oppression they are just waiting for the chance to someday overthrow the government (like in Iran).. but look at the under 30 crowd in the United States.. they have not lived under oppression; they have thrived under liberal indoctrination. I am not so optimistic about many of our young folks carrying the torch of freedom in years to come. Abdullah and Pat J. — I enjoyed both of your comments. I think Obama is deceptive as a cat. As a socialist he will side with the “state” not the people in Iran. The real problem is I feel Obama is even more sympathetic to Islam than we think. That makes him very dangerous as the “so-called” leader of the Free World.

Pat — I think when young people live under oppression they are just waiting for the chance to someday overthrow the government (like in Iran).. but look at the under 30 crowd in the United States.. they have not lived under oppression; they have thrived under liberal indoctrination. I am not so optimistic about many of our young folks carrying the torch of freedom in years to come.

]]> By: Pat J http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2437 Pat J Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:55:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2437 31. Abdullah: ------------- I must compliment you on your logic. The Islamic Republic of Iran is an oligarchy pure and simple. By "pure and simple" I mean they are so zeolous they cannot accept nor tolerate anyone outside of their rigid belief system. That could be their Achille's heel. The majority of their population is under the age of 30 and barely remembers the 1979 revolution. Most of their leaders are old men who remember the deposition of Mossadegh, hence their motivation for payback to United States. I think time is on Iran's side and our side. Eventually their leaders will die off and hopefully be replaced by younger more progressive leadership. And yes. I'm optimistic despite the fact almost every Iranian I've ever met has been a complete and total asshole. 31. Abdullah:
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I must compliment you on your logic. The Islamic Republic of Iran is an oligarchy pure and simple. By “pure and simple” I mean they are so zeolous they cannot accept nor tolerate anyone outside of their rigid belief system.

That could be their Achille’s heel. The majority of their population is under the age of 30 and barely remembers the 1979 revolution. Most of their leaders are old men who remember the deposition of Mossadegh, hence their motivation for payback to United States.

I think time is on Iran’s side and our side. Eventually their leaders will die off and hopefully be replaced by younger more progressive leadership.

And yes. I’m optimistic despite the fact almost every Iranian I’ve ever met has been a complete and total asshole.

]]> By: Abdullah http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2384 Abdullah Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:29:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2384 Obama should be praised for using the full official name "Islamic Republic of Iran" -- even though Obama did so for the wrong reasons and without any idea of the implications. Everyone in the West needs to be aware that "Iran" is really "The Islamic Republic of Iran." The implications of this are serious. It means that the rulers are guided less by nation-state interests and more by Islamic religious interests, including support for the worldwide jihad. The Koran, which guides the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran, clearly says, among other troublesome things: --The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101) -- Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29). -- It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. (4:92) -- Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51) -- Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40) -- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193) -- The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76) -- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151) -- I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12) Even if Obama is not aware of this, and even if he wouldn't take it seriously even if he were aware of it, you can be sure that the ayatollahs take it very seriously and guide their policies accordingly. They are not going to abandon their Koranic guidance just because Obama makes nice to them. Obama should be praised for using the full official name “Islamic Republic of Iran” — even though Obama did so for the wrong reasons and without any idea of the implications. Everyone in the West needs to be aware that “Iran” is really “The Islamic Republic of Iran.” The implications of this are serious. It means that the rulers are guided less by nation-state interests and more by Islamic religious interests, including support for the worldwide jihad. The Koran, which guides the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran, clearly says, among other troublesome things:

–The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101)
– Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29).
– It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. (4:92)
– Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51)
– Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
– Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
– The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76)
– We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
— I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)

Even if Obama is not aware of this, and even if he wouldn’t take it seriously even if he were aware of it, you can be sure that the ayatollahs take it very seriously and guide their policies accordingly. They are not going to abandon their Koranic guidance just because Obama makes nice to them.

]]> By: The Historian http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2377 The Historian Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:45:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2377 WILL THE OBAMA LED LEFT SHAME AMERICA? Abandoning our allies is not a valid option. http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/03/betraying-our-allies.html WILL THE OBAMA LED LEFT SHAME AMERICA?
Abandoning our allies is not a valid option.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/03/betraying-our-allies.html

]]> By: typos_R_us http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2365 typos_R_us Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:44:02 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2365 The Usurper should be scared. Technically, he is a Muslim, by Muslim standards. Unlike most religions, Islam is a one way street. As a born Muslim, the Usurper DOES NOT have a choice in the matter. By renouncing his religion, he switched from a Muslim to an apostate Muslim. To infidels, he isn't a Muslim, but to the guys with the suicide belts he is. The penalty for apostate Muslims is death. The Secrete Service is the best, but they will tell you that if a enough suicide bombers are sent after the Usurper, one will get thru. Or at least that is the theory. We will find out one day if that is true or not. In the the century weakness invited attack. The Mad Dog Mullahs are mentally still in the 7th century. All the Usurper's reaching out will accomplish is to get his hand bitten. You don't try to pet a rabid dog. You kill it. As quickly and surely as possible. The Usurper should be scared.
Technically, he is a Muslim, by Muslim standards. Unlike most religions, Islam is a one way street. As a born Muslim, the Usurper DOES NOT have a choice in the matter. By renouncing his religion, he switched from a Muslim to an apostate Muslim. To infidels, he isn’t a Muslim, but to the guys with the suicide belts he is.
The penalty for apostate Muslims is death. The Secrete Service is the best, but they will tell you that if a enough suicide bombers are sent after the Usurper, one will get thru. Or at least that is the theory. We will find out one day if that is true or not.
In the the century weakness invited attack. The Mad Dog Mullahs are mentally still in the 7th century. All the Usurper’s reaching out will accomplish is to get his hand bitten.
You don’t try to pet a rabid dog. You kill it. As quickly and surely as possible.

]]> By: Rotwang http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/25/obama-which-way-on-iran/#comment-2356 Rotwang Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:37:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=612#comment-2356 On the plus side, an Iranian nuke would give the US more leverage to rein-in the Israelis and curb their inclination to undermine our foreign policy objectives through unilateral military action and counterproductive covert ops like the crap they're pulling in Kurdistan. We need to keep Netanyahu on a short leash, and out of our hair...even if it means holding our money-and-weapons subsidies hostage. US strategic interests trump Israel's regional issues -- period. Sorry. In addition, a scary Iran will solidify Arab support (however grudging) for America, boost US weapons sales and give us a larger hand in influencing pricing and availability of a good chunk of OPEC oil output. For us, a nuclear Iran is pure win-win. On the plus side, an Iranian nuke would give the US more leverage to rein-in the Israelis and curb their inclination to undermine our foreign policy objectives through unilateral military action and counterproductive covert ops like the crap they’re pulling in Kurdistan. We need to keep Netanyahu on a short leash, and out of our hair…even if it means holding our money-and-weapons subsidies hostage. US strategic interests trump Israel’s regional issues — period. Sorry.

In addition, a scary Iran will solidify Arab support (however grudging) for America, boost US weapons sales and give us a larger hand in influencing pricing and availability of a good chunk of OPEC oil output.

For us, a nuclear Iran is pure win-win.

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