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	<title>Comments on: For Change We Can Believe in- and David Brooks, Roger Cohen and The New York Times</title>
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		<title>By: beat a dui girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>beat a dui girl</dc:creator>
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		<description>Not sure why, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/03/for-change-we-can-believe-in-and-david-brooks-roger-cohen-and-the-new-york-times/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/03/for-change-we-can-believe-in-and-david-brooks-roger-cohen-and-the-new-york-times/&lt;/a&gt; reminds me of that old joke - from which I will spare you.  Might just be my warped sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why, but <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/03/for-change-we-can-believe-in-and-david-brooks-roger-cohen-and-the-new-york-times/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/03/03/for-change-we-can-believe-in-and-david-brooks-roger-cohen-and-the-new-york-times/</a> reminds me of that old joke &#8211; from which I will spare you.  Might just be my warped sense</p>
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		<title>By: John Mastrelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mastrelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon me, but when did President Obama slander Rush Limbaugh?  When did he &quot;dare(s) go after the famous radio talk show host&quot;?  I seriously doubt that the President is sitting around thinking about Rush.

&quot;Who does he think he is ? The president is a shallow and poorly read man who’s not ready for prime time. Limbaugh can intellectually kick the butts of both Obama and Brooks with one hand tied behind his back.&quot;

Rush Limbaugh is no more an intellectual than is Sean Hannity.  The President is extremely well read and deeply thoughtful.  Rush Limbaugh dropped out of college: &quot;His father and mother wanted him to attend college, so he enrolled at Southeast Missouri State University. He dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, &quot;he flunked everything&quot;, even a modern ballroom dancing class.&quot;  ---wikipedia

Limbaugh not only could not kick Obama&#039;s butt (though it would be fun to see him try), he could never get his hand behind his very ample back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me, but when did President Obama slander Rush Limbaugh?  When did he &#8220;dare(s) go after the famous radio talk show host&#8221;?  I seriously doubt that the President is sitting around thinking about Rush.</p>
<p>&#8220;Who does he think he is ? The president is a shallow and poorly read man who’s not ready for prime time. Limbaugh can intellectually kick the butts of both Obama and Brooks with one hand tied behind his back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh is no more an intellectual than is Sean Hannity.  The President is extremely well read and deeply thoughtful.  Rush Limbaugh dropped out of college: &#8220;His father and mother wanted him to attend college, so he enrolled at Southeast Missouri State University. He dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, &#8220;he flunked everything&#8221;, even a modern ballroom dancing class.&#8221;  &#8212;wikipedia</p>
<p>Limbaugh not only could not kick Obama&#8217;s butt (though it would be fun to see him try), he could never get his hand behind his very ample back.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How about “Barack the Magic Negro” for a start?&quot;

That is not even a slightly bigoted remark.  But the heck with what I&#039;ve got say.  Listen to Rush Limbaugh&#039;s own words: 
            
 http://tinyurl.com/4wgxyg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How about “Barack the Magic Negro” for a start?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not even a slightly bigoted remark.  But the heck with what I&#8217;ve got say.  Listen to Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s own words: </p>
<p> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4wgxyg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4wgxyg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carlton Van Nostrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton Van Nostrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What crazy comments? I have long listened to Rush Limbaugh—and have never heard him utter a bigoted remark.&quot;  How about &quot;Barack the Magic Negro&quot; for a start?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What crazy comments? I have long listened to Rush Limbaugh—and have never heard him utter a bigoted remark.&#8221;  How about &#8220;Barack the Magic Negro&#8221; for a start?</p>
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		<title>By: irvshirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>irvshirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My critics, I would add, have no sense of humor.&quot;

Not a Schachtmanite sense of humor, anyway.

Here are some facts:

Bush took a budget surplus and turned it into a huge deficit. He waged war without providing the means to pay for it -- thanks to him, the U.S. no longer has the teeth to back up game-changing military threats. He eviscerated our civil liberties on specious grounds. He was defended by a television network that functioned as a propaganda machine, barely allowing a dissenting voice to go on the air, or, when they were allowed, subjected them to harangues from demagogic buffoons. 

Now the Republicans in Congress are acting like lockstep Stalinists, but without the brains (oops, that&#039;s a joke...), listening to a wannabe Mussolini, just like the C.P. did when they did a volte-face on Hitler in 1939. Let&#039;s call them Moonies. They nominated a Vice President whose husband is part of a separatist movement, for God&#039;s sake -- Kristol was her biggest defender, and you talk about balance? Since Kristol is not an idiot -- well maybe a useful one -- one can only assume that he did this for reasons of the most opportunistic, venal, cynical variety. 

It&#039;s like a mirror image of the McGovern days in the Democratic Party, but without any of the humanistic impulses, however twisted or misguided that initially impelled that misguided movement which cost the Democrats their blue-collar base, and for which the Democrats paid dearly for two decades, and which allowed the dismantling of the safety net.

How can a scholar of your caliber and intelligence, who was once a Social Democrat, be taken in by these swine, this amoral, lying gang of rogues? You&#039;re consorting with the worst sort of nativist elements, who are adopting a Leninist strategy of split-split-split towards the goal of ideological purity, throwing out racial slurs and saying they didn&#039;t mean it, and using the most vulgar hip-hop discourse -- probably because that&#039;s all their lumpen base can deal with intellectually. What a shame.

Your distinguished historian &quot;of the left&quot; has a lot of nerve to attack Obama as a tool of &quot;sectarian proto-fascist group&quot; for attempting to clean up Bush&#039;s mess. Who precisely in Obama&#039;s inner circle is a sectarian proto-fascist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My critics, I would add, have no sense of humor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a Schachtmanite sense of humor, anyway.</p>
<p>Here are some facts:</p>
<p>Bush took a budget surplus and turned it into a huge deficit. He waged war without providing the means to pay for it &#8212; thanks to him, the U.S. no longer has the teeth to back up game-changing military threats. He eviscerated our civil liberties on specious grounds. He was defended by a television network that functioned as a propaganda machine, barely allowing a dissenting voice to go on the air, or, when they were allowed, subjected them to harangues from demagogic buffoons. </p>
<p>Now the Republicans in Congress are acting like lockstep Stalinists, but without the brains (oops, that&#8217;s a joke&#8230;), listening to a wannabe Mussolini, just like the C.P. did when they did a volte-face on Hitler in 1939. Let&#8217;s call them Moonies. They nominated a Vice President whose husband is part of a separatist movement, for God&#8217;s sake &#8212; Kristol was her biggest defender, and you talk about balance? Since Kristol is not an idiot &#8212; well maybe a useful one &#8212; one can only assume that he did this for reasons of the most opportunistic, venal, cynical variety. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a mirror image of the McGovern days in the Democratic Party, but without any of the humanistic impulses, however twisted or misguided that initially impelled that misguided movement which cost the Democrats their blue-collar base, and for which the Democrats paid dearly for two decades, and which allowed the dismantling of the safety net.</p>
<p>How can a scholar of your caliber and intelligence, who was once a Social Democrat, be taken in by these swine, this amoral, lying gang of rogues? You&#8217;re consorting with the worst sort of nativist elements, who are adopting a Leninist strategy of split-split-split towards the goal of ideological purity, throwing out racial slurs and saying they didn&#8217;t mean it, and using the most vulgar hip-hop discourse &#8212; probably because that&#8217;s all their lumpen base can deal with intellectually. What a shame.</p>
<p>Your distinguished historian &#8220;of the left&#8221; has a lot of nerve to attack Obama as a tool of &#8220;sectarian proto-fascist group&#8221; for attempting to clean up Bush&#8217;s mess. Who precisely in Obama&#8217;s inner circle is a sectarian proto-fascist?</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...and a penchant for making crazy comments about minorities and the disabled.&quot;

Be precise.  What crazy comments?  I have long listened to Rush Limbaugh---and have never heard him utter a bigoted remark.  He does, however, take to task the politically correct establishment on a never ending basis.  And he most certainly does wish for &quot;national failure.&quot;  He merely opposes the destructive policies of Barack Obama.  You need to learn how to make a logical distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and a penchant for making crazy comments about minorities and the disabled.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be precise.  What crazy comments?  I have long listened to Rush Limbaugh&#8212;and have never heard him utter a bigoted remark.  He does, however, take to task the politically correct establishment on a never ending basis.  And he most certainly does wish for &#8220;national failure.&#8221;  He merely opposes the destructive policies of Barack Obama.  You need to learn how to make a logical distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Limbaugh affaire is now heading into it&#039;s fifth news cycle. And posters here think that&#039;s great news. Why would anyone want to have as the major image tied to it&#039;s brand a grotesque, fat, red faced loudmouth with a history of marital and drug abuse problems, and a penchant for making crazy comments about minorities and the disabled. His latest offering that he wants national failure went the country is in the worst economic crisis since the depression defies belief and it&#039;s over the TV every night. It&#039;s totally insane. If anyone is in any doubt about what&#039;s going on they should look at this latest WSJ poll it&#039;s appalling for the GOP...absolutely appalling....oh yes I know it&#039;s a rigged poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Limbaugh affaire is now heading into it&#8217;s fifth news cycle. And posters here think that&#8217;s great news. Why would anyone want to have as the major image tied to it&#8217;s brand a grotesque, fat, red faced loudmouth with a history of marital and drug abuse problems, and a penchant for making crazy comments about minorities and the disabled. His latest offering that he wants national failure went the country is in the worst economic crisis since the depression defies belief and it&#8217;s over the TV every night. It&#8217;s totally insane. If anyone is in any doubt about what&#8217;s going on they should look at this latest WSJ poll it&#8217;s appalling for the GOP&#8230;absolutely appalling&#8230;.oh yes I know it&#8217;s a rigged poll.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Limbaugh is a wretched joke, which is sad, because before he guzzled the Bushie Kool-aid for 8 years, he wasn&#039;t.

2) Krystol is just another purveyor of said Kool-aid.

3) Sad, how few are willing to admit that there is just as much fanaticism amongst Talmudic and Orthodox Jews as there is amongst the Muslim jihadis. Personally, I refuse to support either side any longer. No, I&#039;m not interested in hearing how one side is superior to the other; while Israel is still better than the Arab regimes, the Israeli news services have long chronicled the two-tier system in Israel, where Jews have American-style freedoms and non-Jews have nothing of the sort. The Jews have flushed a noble legacy of decades of being at the forefront of human rights advocacy down the toilet, because they allowed themselves to become like the worst of those they oppose. It&#039;s an object lesson for the rest of humanity. No one is immune to this tendancy. The price of true freedom is eternal vigilance, both within and without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Limbaugh is a wretched joke, which is sad, because before he guzzled the Bushie Kool-aid for 8 years, he wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>2) Krystol is just another purveyor of said Kool-aid.</p>
<p>3) Sad, how few are willing to admit that there is just as much fanaticism amongst Talmudic and Orthodox Jews as there is amongst the Muslim jihadis. Personally, I refuse to support either side any longer. No, I&#8217;m not interested in hearing how one side is superior to the other; while Israel is still better than the Arab regimes, the Israeli news services have long chronicled the two-tier system in Israel, where Jews have American-style freedoms and non-Jews have nothing of the sort. The Jews have flushed a noble legacy of decades of being at the forefront of human rights advocacy down the toilet, because they allowed themselves to become like the worst of those they oppose. It&#8217;s an object lesson for the rest of humanity. No one is immune to this tendancy. The price of true freedom is eternal vigilance, both within and without.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wingnut commenter David Thomson [...]&quot;

Oh gee golly, I&#039;m such a bad person.  My mother is going to disown me.  Barack Obama has seriously blundered in deciding to target Rush Limbaugh.  People are often somewhat negative toward the country&#039;s number one radio talk show host---until they actually take the time and listen to him.  Obama is an intellectual second rater, and that&#039;s becoming more obvious by the day. You know things are starting to fall apart when Marty Peretz is increasingly becoming more critical towards his administration.  The end is indeed near.   I have listened closely to both Obama and Limbaugh. It is no contest.  The latter gentleman has the ability to kick serious butt and take no prisoners.  Obama merely has the ability to guilt trip gullible white individuals. This wears thin after awhile especially when the economy is sucking wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wingnut commenter David Thomson [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh gee golly, I&#8217;m such a bad person.  My mother is going to disown me.  Barack Obama has seriously blundered in deciding to target Rush Limbaugh.  People are often somewhat negative toward the country&#8217;s number one radio talk show host&#8212;until they actually take the time and listen to him.  Obama is an intellectual second rater, and that&#8217;s becoming more obvious by the day. You know things are starting to fall apart when Marty Peretz is increasingly becoming more critical towards his administration.  The end is indeed near.   I have listened closely to both Obama and Limbaugh. It is no contest.  The latter gentleman has the ability to kick serious butt and take no prisoners.  Obama merely has the ability to guilt trip gullible white individuals. This wears thin after awhile especially when the economy is sucking wind.</p>
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		<title>By: KMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/03/radosh-on-cohen.html

Radosh On Cohen

A clarification:

    My critics, I would add, have no sense of humor. I am not advocating blacklisting of those with whom I disagree. I was only, perhaps not too carefully, trying to suggest the different standard it had when it comes to a conservative columnist. If they could get rid of Kristol, whom the paper’s liberal and left-wing readership despised, then I somewhat facetiously was trying to make a simple point: Why not also get rid of Cohen?

Because Kristol&#039;s columns were dreck designed to promote partisan talking points, not honest pieces of journalism. Cohen&#039;s attempt to see the complexities within Iranian society was an honest one - and certainly worthy of debate. He&#039;s probably too sanguine about Iran&#039;s regime - but he&#039;s surely right that asinine comparisons to Nazi germany are dumb and unhelpful. But my point was that the immediate response to have him fired for not towing a particular line was chilling. Even in his post today, Ron compares Cohen to apologists for Stalin and compares Obama to a &quot;left-fascist.&quot;

Dealing with the world as it is with the fast-diminishing resources at our disposal will not be an easy transition. But it will be harder for those who have changed not a stripe or adjusted not a thought these past eight years.</description>
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<p>Radosh On Cohen</p>
<p>A clarification:</p>
<p>    My critics, I would add, have no sense of humor. I am not advocating blacklisting of those with whom I disagree. I was only, perhaps not too carefully, trying to suggest the different standard it had when it comes to a conservative columnist. If they could get rid of Kristol, whom the paper’s liberal and left-wing readership despised, then I somewhat facetiously was trying to make a simple point: Why not also get rid of Cohen?</p>
<p>Because Kristol&#8217;s columns were dreck designed to promote partisan talking points, not honest pieces of journalism. Cohen&#8217;s attempt to see the complexities within Iranian society was an honest one &#8211; and certainly worthy of debate. He&#8217;s probably too sanguine about Iran&#8217;s regime &#8211; but he&#8217;s surely right that asinine comparisons to Nazi germany are dumb and unhelpful. But my point was that the immediate response to have him fired for not towing a particular line was chilling. Even in his post today, Ron compares Cohen to apologists for Stalin and compares Obama to a &#8220;left-fascist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dealing with the world as it is with the fast-diminishing resources at our disposal will not be an easy transition. But it will be harder for those who have changed not a stripe or adjusted not a thought these past eight years.</p>
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