Comments on: The Real Latin-American Left: One We Can Work With http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:39:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ألعاب http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1128 ألعاب Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:16:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1128 I think this is an awesome post, but I wish you had discussed some points differntly. I think this is an awesome post, but I wish you had discussed some points differntly.

]]> By: robotech master http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1040 robotech master Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:05:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1040 To 13. Ulises Jorge Bido "robotech master: Why should I..? If you couldn’t find any evidence to support your claims, why should I do that for you?" O I'm sorry forgive me from pushing you outside your bubble of fantasy... "Like you did, right? Because it doesn’t look like you actually know what you’re talking about. Hugo Chavez is a uniquely Venezuelan phenomenon and he is not a leftist, just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can. He is widely disliked in Latin America, polling near the bottom in the region (alongside Fidel Castro and… err…George W. Bush)." O yes polling... surely if that isn't science fact nothing is... As for chavez not being a leftist...I do suppose hitler and stalin were right wing as well then... "just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can." thats a prefect description of a leftist... To 13. Ulises Jorge Bido

“robotech master: Why should I..? If you couldn’t find any evidence to support your claims, why should I do that for you?”

O I’m sorry forgive me from pushing you outside your bubble of fantasy…

“Like you did, right? Because it doesn’t look like you actually know what you’re talking about. Hugo Chavez is a uniquely Venezuelan phenomenon and he is not a leftist, just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can. He is widely disliked in Latin America, polling near the bottom in the region (alongside Fidel Castro and… err…George W. Bush).”

O yes polling… surely if that isn’t science fact nothing is…

As for chavez not being a leftist…I do suppose hitler and stalin were right wing as well then…

“just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can.” thats a prefect description of a leftist…

]]> By: Ulises Jorge Bido http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1039 Ulises Jorge Bido Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:44:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1039 <b>'Try google… first you can start with the word “patent”….'</b> reobotech master: Why should I..? If you couldn't find any evidence to support your claims, why should I do that for you? <b>"I would suggest you stay off google and read some history books…."</b> Like you did, right? Because it doesn't look like you actually know what you're talking about. Hugo Chavez is a uniquely Venezuelan phenomenon and he is not a leftist, just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can. He is widely disliked in Latin America, <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2938026&page=1" rel="nofollow">polling near the bottom</a> in the region (alongside Fidel Castro and… err…George W. Bush). ‘Try google… first you can start with the word “patent”….’

reobotech master: Why should I..? If you couldn’t find any evidence to support your claims, why should I do that for you?

“I would suggest you stay off google and read some history books….”

Like you did, right? Because it doesn’t look like you actually know what you’re talking about. Hugo Chavez is a uniquely Venezuelan phenomenon and he is not a leftist, just a populist bend on perpetuating himself in power for as long as he can. He is widely disliked in Latin America, polling near the bottom in the region (alongside Fidel Castro and… err…George W. Bush).

]]> By: Will Becker http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1037 Will Becker Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:09:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1037 Ron, you surely know Socialism is the next thing to Communism,no matter in what country it exists.Socialists love liberal thinking. Ron, you surely know Socialism is the next thing to Communism,no matter in what country it exists.Socialists love liberal thinking.

]]> By: robotech master http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1036 robotech master Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:58:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1036 To 10. Ulises Jorge Bido: "Robotech master: Such as…? Those are strong words… care to provide some evidence..? What exactly are you talking about…?" Try google... first you can start with the word "patent".... "I rest my case. Why don’t you google around a bit and inform yourself about Chavez and Venezuela before writing such nonsense? The Venezuela that elected Hugo Chavez does not have anything in common with Brazil, so why do you assume that a Chavez clone can rise to power in Brazil?" I would suggest you stay off google and read some history books.... To 10. Ulises Jorge Bido: “Robotech master: Such as…? Those are strong words… care to provide some evidence..? What exactly are you talking about…?”

Try google… first you can start with the word “patent”….

“I rest my case. Why don’t you google around a bit and inform yourself about Chavez and Venezuela before writing such nonsense? The Venezuela that elected Hugo Chavez does not have anything in common with Brazil, so why do you assume that a Chavez clone can rise to power in Brazil?”

I would suggest you stay off google and read some history books….

]]> By: Ulises Jorge Bido http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1029 Ulises Jorge Bido Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:23:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1029 Mr. Radosh, Thanks, I read the whole article by Ignacio Walter and he hits the nail in the head. Unfortunately, by reading the comments so far (there are six at the moment I’m writing this), I can see that some people missed the main point: Hugo Chávez is not Latin America, he does not represent us (I’m from the Dominican Republic) and must countries in Latin America are following a different path, no matter what the mainstream media is reporting in the U.S. <b>”Brazil lives off stealing millions of dollars and tech from the US/US tax payers/US companies… all under the fact that we(the US) aren’t willing to punish them for it…”</b> Robotech master: Such as…? Those are strong words… care to provide some evidence..? What exactly are you talking about…? <b>”Brazil could easily join in the “The Populist Cycle” and sweep a brazilian chavez in and start all over again.”</b> I rest my case. Why don’t you google around a bit and inform yourself about Chavez and Venezuela before writing such nonsense? The Venezuela that elected Hugo Chavez does not have anything in common with Brazil, so why do you assume that a Chavez clone can rise to power in Brazil? Mr. Radosh,

Thanks, I read the whole article by Ignacio Walter and he hits the nail in the head. Unfortunately, by reading the comments so far (there are six at the moment I’m writing this), I can see that some people missed the main point: Hugo Chávez is not Latin America, he does not represent us (I’m from the Dominican Republic) and must countries in Latin America are following a different path, no matter what the mainstream media is reporting in the U.S.

”Brazil lives off stealing millions of dollars and tech from the US/US tax payers/US companies… all under the fact that we(the US) aren’t willing to punish them for it…”

Robotech master: Such as…? Those are strong words… care to provide some evidence..? What exactly are you talking about…?

”Brazil could easily join in the “The Populist Cycle” and sweep a brazilian chavez in and start all over again.”

I rest my case. Why don’t you google around a bit and inform yourself about Chavez and Venezuela before writing such nonsense? The Venezuela that elected Hugo Chavez does not have anything in common with Brazil, so why do you assume that a Chavez clone can rise to power in Brazil?

]]> By: james http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1028 james Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:02:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1028 Leftists, and the people who love them, have been telling us since Woodrow Wilson's day that "this leftist is different. He's not a homicidal maniac. We can work with him." No leftist is ever different. They all want the same thing; the only thing that varies is individual ability to achieve the desired end. Leftism in power now has a one hundred year history for us to present as evidence. Radosh is another in a long, and seemingly endless, line of useful idiots. Leftists, and the people who love them, have been telling us since Woodrow Wilson’s day that “this leftist is different. He’s not a homicidal maniac. We can work with him.”
No leftist is ever different. They all want the same thing; the only thing that varies is individual ability to achieve the desired end.
Leftism in power now has a one hundred year history for us to present as evidence.
Radosh is another in a long, and seemingly endless, line of useful idiots.

]]> By: robotech master http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1026 robotech master Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:15:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1026 I have read through this and about half cited article... I have a few problems. 1. that being that pretty much any form of socialism is doomed to fail... to quote from your article... "analyze efforts to deal with income inequality through the use of overly expansive macroeconomic policies, leading almost inevitably to major crises. “The use of macroeconomic policy to achieve distributive goals has historically led to failure, sorrow, and frustration.” In the end, these policies have failed to benefit the poorest segments of society; real wages ended up being lower than they were at the beginning of the populist experiments." 2. "he new governments Walker praises are “increasingly market friendly, with a favorable attitude toward globalization-aware not only of the threats it represents but of the opportunities that it provides.” He continues to contrast Venezuela with the social democratic governments in Brazil and Chile, which are developing a new style of politics in Latin America." The problem I see with this is slight of hand... I can't speak for chile... but brazil is "increasingly market friendly" can be compared to a bank robber who is friendly to the opening of new banks... or the pick pocket who is friendly to the opening of a new tourist attraction... Brazil lives off stealing millions of dollars and tech from the US/US tax payers/US companies... all under the fact that we(the US) aren't willing to punish them for it... This is very much what Venezuela/chavez is in the cycle of doing... reference the "The Populist Cycle"... Venezuela encouraged US oil companies in... then sweep chavez into power and take it away...(you know "for the ppl"). Brazil could easily join in the "The Populist Cycle" and sweep a brazilian chavez in and start all over again. I'll post anything else should I see something worth posting in the other half of the article... I have read through this and about half cited article…

I have a few problems.

1. that being that pretty much any form of socialism is doomed to fail… to quote from your article…

“analyze efforts to deal with income inequality through the use of overly expansive macroeconomic policies, leading almost inevitably to major crises. “The use of macroeconomic policy to achieve distributive goals has historically led to failure, sorrow, and frustration.” In the end, these policies have failed to benefit the poorest segments of society; real wages ended up being lower than they were at the beginning of the populist experiments.”

2. “he new governments Walker praises are “increasingly market friendly, with a favorable attitude toward globalization-aware not only of the threats it represents but of the opportunities that it provides.” He continues to contrast Venezuela with the social democratic governments in Brazil and Chile, which are developing a new style of politics in Latin America.”

The problem I see with this is slight of hand… I can’t speak for chile… but brazil is “increasingly market friendly” can be compared to a bank robber who is friendly to the opening of new banks… or the pick pocket who is friendly to the opening of a new tourist attraction…

Brazil lives off stealing millions of dollars and tech from the US/US tax payers/US companies… all under the fact that we(the US) aren’t willing to punish them for it…
This is very much what Venezuela/chavez is in the cycle of doing… reference the “The Populist Cycle”…
Venezuela encouraged US oil companies in… then sweep chavez into power and take it away…(you know “for the ppl”). Brazil could easily join in the “The Populist Cycle” and sweep a brazilian chavez in and start all over again.

I’ll post anything else should I see something worth posting in the other half of the article…

]]> By: Horace Wells http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1023 Horace Wells Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:37:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1023 Cybergeezer, Did you actually think before parroting back a bunch of irrelevant non sequiters and slogans, or are you still looking for Reds under your mattress? On the other hand, glad you posted. I get a lot of insight into the conservative movement through posts like that. Cybergeezer,
Did you actually think before parroting back a bunch of irrelevant non sequiters and slogans, or are you still looking for Reds under your mattress? On the other hand, glad you posted. I get a lot of insight into the conservative movement through posts like that.

]]> By: Ken Hahn http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/10/the-real-latin-american-left-one-we-can-work-with/#comment-1022 Ken Hahn Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:52:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/?p=319#comment-1022 There are two things all leftists share, no matter what "type". They are a contempt for real democracy since it might produce an "oppressive" result and a willingness to assist other leftists regardless of style. While every Latin American Leftist is not Castro, Chavez, Morales or Correa, every one is willing to dismiss the excesses of other leftists since they are seen as opposing colonialism and exploitation. In the end, leftists will stab the US in the back because they hate American success more than they dislike Marxist failure. It is good to know and use the differences between leftys to our advantage. But we should never trust one. There are two things all leftists share, no matter what “type”. They are a contempt for real democracy since it might produce an “oppressive” result and a willingness to assist other leftists regardless of style. While every Latin American Leftist is not Castro, Chavez, Morales or Correa, every one is willing to dismiss the excesses of other leftists since they are seen as opposing colonialism and exploitation. In the end, leftists will stab the US in the back because they hate American success more than they dislike Marxist failure. It is good to know and use the differences between leftys to our advantage. But we should never trust one.

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