Kevin P

This will already feed into the ugly ZOG freek’s mentality no matter what. They are having erotic canniptions right now. I don’t know if you’ve ever spent any time at indy or wrh ever but they still use as recent news item run downs reviews of the Liberty and of the Mossad operation in Egypt in 1950′s…. Anything Israel does is the cause for demonization forever.

Also, I haven’t read Loftus’s book on Pollard but he swears to me that Pollard was sent out to dry because of our embarrassing links at that time to the Saudis that he then knew about.

Loftus says the info he passed was basic low level stuff and that he was nothing but a low level baffoon.

John Moore

I would hope, however, that this doesn’t reflect back on Jews.

Israel is like the US’s little picked on brother.

Everything in certain and growing circles reflects on the Jews. Little by little it gets out and you start to notice more and more comments.

Also, if you’ve never spent any time on left-wing lunatic and socialist European boards, then take some valium and then go to indymedia and wrh.

foreign devil

….and this is bad because….?

Oh, I know, it’s a spy but aren’t Israel and the US friends? So what’s the big deal? Apologize and move on (sorry!).

Listen, to an extent I agree. I think bcs its Israel its front page interesting copy and some people do like it while others find it ‘sellable copy’. However, I understand also that bcs its Israel it doesn’t mean it should be ignored either. However, I tend to agree with the former assessment more than the latter in my initial judgement.

I’m no expert. However, from what I thought when friendly countries spy on each other they are quietly detained and usually traded and returned, with an embarrassment to the foreign country. Britain and even the Soviets at times I believe, where they returned traded spies with us.

I guess I’d sooner it was an Israeli mole, than, say, a French mole. All in all it would be better not to have any moles but why go into toxic shock when outrage is everywhere these days and one has to discriminate…

Agreed.

M. Simon

Friendly countries spy on each other. This is normal. When it is uncovered or becomes too blatant the spies are usually quietly told to go elsewhere (back home, get another job etc.)

The Pollard case is unusual in that he has served 2X to 3X the amount of time that a citizen/double agent of another friendly country would serve for the same crime.

There is still a lot of Jew hatred in the upper reaches of our society. I think Pollard is a manifestations of that, and the current case may be manifestations of that.

And its not like Israel has anything to worry about when it comes to Iran and American policy towards Iran. Right…..

Agreed on all except Israel does have to worry about everything having to do with Iran especially when it comes to dealing with their Nucleur Reactors, which poses the greatest external threat to Israel, bar none.

Is some one trying to strain our special relationship just when we both need it the most? Is this an indirect atack on Mofaz’ policies re Iran? (he is an Persian Jew).

I may change my mind later when more details come out. But today for me – this stinks.

Is it possible this is a result of behind the scenese Saudi pressure? A low level guy they already knew about was thrown as a bone to the Saudis for an under the table undeclared concessions from the Saudis? The Saudis hold Bush’s election in their hands, oil prices, help under the scenes in the Middle East, etc..

Simon what does Mofaz have to do directly with this? I agree Iran and the US/Israel are definitely in a war mode right now on the scale of the hot years of the Cold War, no doubt about that. Batchelor covered the upcoming showdown he thinks to come in the Straits of Hormuz.

M Simon

To publicly release this has to have had an OK from Bush. What does it mean? Unless it is a ruse: nothing good.

My thoughts on this are this -

1) Could be a bone to the Saudis bcs of many other things they are doing to help Bush get re-elected.

2) Bush does not necessarily have control over all of the bureaucracies and their releases. Forces within could have threatened Bush if he didn’t release this publically. Or they could have leaked it to CBS to force him to allow release of it.

3) The guy could just be a moron who did something completely stupid and in-appropriate even for normal spying that goes on among allies?

Coisty

Have their been similar cases to this one and the Pollard case of Americans being caught spying on Israel or, say, Britain?

Similar cases among other allies where the sentence was much lighter even in much more serious cases among enemies or non allies.

So it is OK for the Israelis to covertly influence US policy towards Iran?

No of course not. But I think the reaction to this is much greater than it would be if say Australia or Britain were caught, imho. I’d throw France in right now except that the French wouldn’t get caught imho, they’re intelligence is actually very good, and they don’t have as many enemies in the US as Israel has.

Also, all countries and allies normally do this in the regular course of business. Clinton and that nut (married to the republican) got Barak elected. Europe funds Yossi Beilin because in Israel he’s reviled by the mainstream.