If Reelected, Obama Should Be Impeached over Benghazi
More will undoubtedly come forth, unearthing the domestic chicanery involved. It’s the old story of what did he know and when did he know it.
A night of the long knives has already broken out with SecDef Panetta accusing critics of being “Monday-morning quarterbacks” while his Pentagon denies they had enough warning to save our people in Benghazi. Claims are being made that it was all the CIA’s fault, but their spokesperson, normally speaking under orders from director David Petraeus, stated: “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”
Well, maybe. Time will tell — or it won’t. Most recently we have learned that we may have had support gunships over Libya when the massacre was occurring, one — with a laser beam trained on the enemy — begging to provide support. As the poet would say — an unholy mess!
So who’s to blame in all this? Fingers will point in every direction, but as we all know the fish rots at the proverbial top or, more politely, the buck stops with the president. Obama admitted as much. Only he hasn’t taken the buck. Not even a penny. He hasn’t said a word, at least one that makes any sense. He’s trying desperately to fly through to November 6 on the wings of the mainstream media, aka the Cricket Club. But a few of those crickets, in and outside the MSM, are starting to chirp. Soon it may be a cacophony.
Still does this all rise to the “high crimes and misdemeanors,” that term of legal art that constitutes the hurdle for impeachment? If this were a Republican administration, we all know the answers to that.
But I say, if this doesn’t, what does?
Or look at it this way — which is the worse, lying to cover up a party office break-in, lying under oath about extra-marital sex with an intern, or lying to the American public about a terror attack that resulted in the deaths of four of our worthiest citizens while covering up the continued power and presence of al-Qaeda and its allies throughout the Islamic world and maybe beyond?
You be the judge. I think Benghazi is worse. A lot worse. But if you want to avoid an impeachment (not to mention the ascendance of the cognitively disadvantaged Joe Biden to the presidency) and all that entails for our country when we have so many problems to resolve, there is a simple solution — vote Romney on November 6.
Related:
CIA Passes Benghazi Buck to the White House
Maybe Petraeus can be persuaded to testify against Obama in exchange for staying out of Leavenworth.
NOT only should Obama be impeached over Bengazigate, but his helpmates must serve time in prison too.
NOW, many can recall Watergate, and the laundry list of Nixon’s cohorts who did time for a break-in, on par with nursery school crimes, at least compared to those of the Islamist-in-Chief & surrogates!
Moreover, Bengazigate could not have happened, without the morphing of radical left politics with Islamist/green ideology. Therefore, by sentencing the Islamist-in-Chief, one sends a message to ALL the radical, revolutionary/red leftists in the body politic – cease & desist, or jail cells are in their future!
http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/10/27/obamas-america-entering-the-parallel-universe-of-radical-politics-gone-haywire-a-short-path-to-dictatorship-addendum-to-gunning-for-tea-party-activists-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
A twofer.
You must realize that because you cannot post without tooting your own horn, I am certain NEVER to see your website. Just not going there, because of your behavior.
Have some class, can you?
What he said.
Obama spied and watched Americans die.
Think that’s simple enough for the “undecided”?
Bill, last time I checked people are free to click on, or not. Besides, the web is vast and wide. And being that I created my blog as a labor of (patriotic) love, and not as a business venture, then only those who wish to gain from some of my geo-political/Islamic experience – contacts too – are free to do so. No one is twisting anyone’s arms. And by the way, I have been posting at PJM since its inception, prior to my blog. Thus, your basis is completely false. No matter.
But if you find any ads etc at my blog,indicating it is a business venture, let me know. It will be news to me!
Have a nice day.
He has a point, Adina.
let Adina have his say. you want more click the link.
As a blogger myself, one who often reads and comments on the other side’s posts, I too have been criticized for posting links, not always mine, because the posters wanted to avoid coming into contact with any opposing opinion. They wanted to keep their bubble pure. I’ve made the same click-or-not comments and challenged them to learn about opposing opinions as it is in their best interest. This is the first time I’ve seen cross link discouragement on a right leaning site. Again, click or not, but extended discussion and dissemination of ideas is our political life blood.
Adina, I will be visiting your post, your blog, and probably adding it to my blogroll.
Yours in the missionary zeal that is political blogging,
Leslie
Kunucki (I know is misspelled, but that’s what I call her when I contact my assocites to tell them that she’s keeping us updated in the middle of the night) is tough as nails and refreshing in her calling things as she sees and documents them. I happened once to follow her link from somebody’s comment section. She was raising hell and her blog was even better, more forthright.
I’ve read her so much now and found that she is light years in front of everyone. She has an aligator hide and fights any and all people from Iran, to Israel, to downtown America.
When I see that a “Kutnicki, Israel” has just slammed down into my inbox, I shut everything down and go to it fast. I know its going to be rough. But that little girl stands up to all comers. I’ve often thought that she should be designated an honorary US Marine for doing what she does: making Paul Revere look like he was riding a slow horse.
Semper Fi,
Kutnicki
Keep defending western civ. We thank you for your caring and dedication to fighting for freedom!!!
Let the man post his link. I can click on it or pass it over, my choice. Same for anyone else.
Folks, Adina is a gal.
What a great country! You are free to click (or not) on Adina’s blog.
Yes, Adina if want credibility, stop plugging your own blog. Every time I see your name I see Adina “Ki nutcase”, Israel. If that’s how you want to appear; than that’s your prerogative.
Since no-one else has made the point, I shall try. Everyone who posts is “tooting there own horn.” What is being said by the act of posting is you should hear my thoughts, toot, toot. As to the invitation to another conversation, what exactly is your objection? It seems to me that if PJMEDIA found it objectionable it would be prohibited. This is the USA if you don’t like something you are not required to partake, at least for now. You might consider staying on topic. Just so you know, defending free speech is always on topic!
I do not think the phrase “tooting your own horn” means what you think it means. It means beating your own chest, drawing attention to yourself. Someone commenting is just joining the conversation. Linking someone else’s blog is adding information. Constantly being the first to post, or responding to the first post always, and linking your own blog, is “tooting your own horn”.
A few readers here have links to their own blogs, like 1389AD, but the link is in their name, not some link in the post. No, this is just tasteless narcisssicm. Mrs. Kutnicki’s post is always the first post, or in a response to a first post. It gets tiresome. Very often, people complain, and the thread gets hijacked, as a result.
I, like many others, refuse to read her posts, because it is just gauche, and I refuse to reward her for such. The readers have been complaining constantly. It is time for PJM to put a stop to this. Even if it does not bother everyone, it bothers lots of us.
Exactly!
What did he say, what many of us are thinking? Obama and his henchmen deserve some serious jail time. And BTW-nobody was murdered at Watergate.
carry on. Its a free country, they are free to listen or not listen, their choice.
My advice would be to let the strength of your comments speak for themselves. People can see the blue hyperlink of your name and everyone knows what it means. If they dig your comment, they will click on your name.
But always replying to the first comment to make your post, often not related to the comment you are replying to, and then leaving a bunch of links seems a little crass and abusive of the system. I guess it is one way to get backlinks for seo though…
Nailed it, wodun. While I find Adina’s self-promotion a little hubristic, she usually makes a valuable contribution to the discussion. I have never clicked on the links she provides, because I don’t wish to be distracted from the conversation. Still, I have no problem with the link being included – at least it’s not a pop-up!
I think Mr. Woods, and perhaps the Doherty family, should at the very least immediately initiate a lawsuit against Obama, Clinton, and Panetta as culpable in (maybe even the cause of) the deaths of their sons for political expediency. The military are there to protect our country and NOT there to to be used only as photo opportunities (even against the wishes of family members!) when their bodies are flown in to Dover or Andrews! If this is happening now, what do you think could happen to our military members with 4 more years of an administration like this who don’t even want to let them vote! Petraeus has already come out and said it was absolutely NOT the CIA who refused to help them! Who does that leave? We have a Commander-In-Chief who was NEVER even a Boy Scout! And he has shown that he is not competent, or even equipped, to handle military matters. Apparently, its okay for American boys and girls to die for “Him”, but not for him to fight to find every way possible for them to VOTE!! Instead the liberal elite and media are espousing UN monitors for us! Why don’t we just hire or get Disabled Vets, with prosthetics and even wheelchairs, to be there to monitor the voting stations instead of the Black Panthers that the administration and Eric Holder love so much?
Love your disabled vets as poll watchers idea. Hope it takes wings. Bet the DAV and PVA would love hearing from you.
Hey, we keyboard warriors can be poll-watchers, too. Sign up at truethevote.org.
Good for you, arhooley!
Personally, I think poll-watching (in precincts where it matters most) is a man’s job, and hope that’s what you’ve been able to undertake.
Actually, I did work with them very briefly after training, but then family matters supervened.
And it saddens me to report that, at least when I was with them, the software in use required what I considered inordinate hours of effort to produce very little in concrete results. So you can imagine my dismay when I learned that, despite the heroic effort required to create it, almost all the work done by the persevering stalwarts in my state up until the mandated pre-election hiatus, ended up being invalidated by a judge. I was truly sickened and reeling from this news.
So it’s now my opinion that we need to find a much more effective, efficient way to address this issue nationally, and my future support of TTV will be financial.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/?mobile=nc
So where was all the outrage to impeach President Bush ( who was a business partner of the bin ladens ) for being forewarned of the world trade center attacks on 911 but did NOTHING to stop it and then did NOTHING to bring Osama bin Laden to justice ( and I repeat ….THE BIN LADENS AND THE BUSHES WERE BUSINESS PARTNERS …..and not once was he called a secret Muslim )
World Trade Center death toll : 3000+
Benghazi death toll : 4
Both equally tragic because a life lost is a life lost but you get my point if you are NOT blinded by some kind of hate or ignorance ( fox news )
Politics give me a raging headache …… so I ask politely …. STFU
“STFU” is neither polite nor a question. Try again.
The UFO nutcase Dennis Kucinich did introduce articles of impeachment. Pelosi tabled them and said, “The popular support is not there, there will be no Republican votes to go forward….George Bush is just not worth it”. She didn’t say it’d destroy the Democratic Party, but it would’ve.
Those are pretty much the same reasons Obama won’t be impeached: not enough popular support, no Dem votes, it’d destroy the Republican party. Also, it’d make him a martyr and it’d brand Republicans forever as racists. If the “flexibility” remark to Putin didn’t produce a groundswell against Obama, I can’t see what will.
Bush is not in the same league (pun intended)as Obama. His policies (Obama’s) and politics are Islamic, if not his religion.
“So where was all the outrage to impeach President Bush ( who was a business partner of the bin ladens ) for being forewarned of the world trade center attacks on 911 but did NOTHING to stop it”
Bill Clinton, by his own admission, had two opportunities to get bin Laden and passed on them.
“not once was [Bush] called a secret Muslim”
Obama now professes Christianity, but in his boyhood he actually was a practicing Muslim for some length of time. Bush always was a Christian.
There was never any warning of an attack specifically against the World Trade Center. Put down the tin foil.
Clinton appointee Jamie Gorelick put up the wall which kept the CIA and FBI from being able to exchange information, or else the 9/11 terrorists might have been stopped. This is likely why they were able to sign up for lessons to fly jumbo airliners in steady flight, with no prior flight experience, and with no learning of takeoff and landings.
And then Jamie Gorelick sat on the 9/11 panel to find out why the CIA and FBI weren’t sharing information, after building the wall between them herself!
Don’t blame Bush for that.
Petraeus may be one of the few who knows what actually went on.The more I research it the more I discover it has deep links.Stevens was into everything from getting terror types to fight in Lybia and Syria to funneling arms to themas well.
Seems that obama may also have been playing quite loosely with the lives of those at benghazi with some nasty terror types who didn’t like being played with double crossed him and it backfired on him big time.
that being the biggest reason he didn’t send in the troops to save the day. He thought the terror types that were there were “his”,they weren’t.
No one has broken the law yet. No one lied under oath. You can impeach incompetence, but you cannot legally prosecute over it. Civil-maybe?
O’bwana must be impeached and removed from office, even if not re-elected. The new Congress is sworn in prior to Jan 20. If the GOP takes the Senate, they should pass articles of impeachment in the House and convict BHO in the Senate. Because there is no judicial review of impeachments/removals, HILLARY! was correct back in Watergate to argue that an impeachable offence is whatever Congress says it is. The non-Leftists make a habit of letting Leftists’ crimes slide if they leave office (sometimes even when they don’t). This makes scandals for Dems no-risk propositions. This has to stop, as it is part of another, larger, GOP habit of never reversing/repealing Dem bondoggles. I already have grave doubts about Romney doing anything to repeal O’bwana-Care. If the Congress showed the way by convicting BHO before Romney is sworn in, it might stiffen everybody’s spines, which GOP pols typically lack. Romney looks way too much like the *ss-holes who ran for student-body president in high school for me to trust him to do anything, but he can be pressured.
“The scandal thus far has at least tarnished and quite possibly implicated everyone from the CIA director, to the secretaries of State and Defense, to the UN ambassador and, of course, the president himself — with no end in sight, because Obama, normally loath to expose himself and even less so in an election season, refuses to answer questions on the subject.”
That’s a good point as Obama could not have done it all by his lonesome. He had to have willing accomplices and a lot of them.
The thing is that Obama NEVER makes a decision on his own. I imagine he was looking at Valerie Jarrett when she said – No helicopters Mr President. He wasn’t the only one in the office when the decision to abandon those men was made. An unelected, unconfirmed whatshername called the shots – just like when they finally went after Bin Laden.
This is just like Pearl Harbor where there has been heavy conjecture and discussion about whether Roosevelt knew of plans to attack and did not tell the military before. Dereliction of duty.
FDR loved the Navy. He made model battleships as a kid and was Secretary of the Navy. The US government was aware of the Japanese battle fleet moving to Malaya. The government was not aware of the Carrier task force approaching Pearl from the north.
Look to Chicago for the best way to stop these criminals.
REZKO, OBAMA, AND THE NADHMI AUCHI RAILROAD LINKING CHICAGO, WASHINGTON, AND BAGHDAD (Part 3 of 3)
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/10/26/rezko-obama-and-the-nadhmi-auchi-railroad-linking-chicago-washington-and-baghdad-part-3-of-3/
“An unelected, unconfirmed whatshername called the shots”
Oddly enough, it was much the same in Neville Chamberlain’s headlong rush for infamy, only it was a he. (Horace Wilson)
I also think that this all comes down to Valerie Jarrett and this is what Obama must cover up – the fact that she is the de-facto president.
He’s already said publicly that he doesn’t make a move without discussing it with her first. I’m thinking that pretty much negates any kind of coverup he might try to come up with.
I think you have it precisely backwards. They could not have committed — in the case of Petraeus and Panetta WOULD NEVER have committed — this act of contemptible cowardice in the face of the enemy if not for the well-known tone-deaf temperament and mind-boggling narcissism of the current commander-in-chief.
I once believed Petraeus and Panetta to be good men. Too bad they could not recognize a bad order and simply countermanded it. Imagine the shitstorm if Petraeus or Panetta had held a presser after going against the orders of POTUS and explained to the American people that they HAD to ignore a direct order from POTUS to save those brave men. How would Obama and the MSM spin that one?
If it is the case that they too ignored the pleas for help it would seem Petraeus and Panetta aren’t quite good enough!
Such sad times we live in.
Darryl Issa says that 100% of the info his committee has gotten is from LEAKS. I wish those leakers would come forward like good Americans and tell us everything, and show us the video. We won’t let them hang.
The leaks will keep coming. Even Sandy can’t wash this away.
Panetta has a deeply troubling history. Keywiki is a good source for this and other searches.
Everybody wants to see people get fired over this mess, and that’s correct. But what I’d really like to see is some people willing to RESIGN
When will high ranking people put their country above their careers and speak the truth. Retired generals and colonels speak out. I’m waiting for an active duty general or admiral to announce his retirement and simultaneously hold a press conference to tell the American public the truth. He would be honored and remembered as a patriot throughout history.
Whatever the level at which the decision was made, the decision to not send support after the attack began was political, and worse, cowardly. Within minutes it was apparent that this was an organized military attack with heavy weapons and rocket launchers. Visions of Carter’s failed chopper rescue and ‘Black Hawk Down’ in Somalia (and the subsequent media firestorms) surely led to the decision to stand down.
Ultimately, O’Bama owns it – can you picture Reagan or Bush (Sr or Jr) not sending support?
And that will happen about the time pigs fly. Look, politicians are never held responsible for anything now. LBJ once said, “You can do anything in politics except be caught in bed w/ a dead woman or a live man.” Now you could do both.
Let’s face it. Politicians of both parties are simply concerned about getting re-elected, how much money they can make & going along to get along. This is one of the main reasons our nation is in such a mess.
O could literally do ANYTHING & he would never be impeached. The blowhards will make statements, wring their hands & moan, but would never do anything. Just look at Issa. Will he get anywhere? No! Why, because 90% of the other pols could care less!
God help us. No one is held responsible for anything anymore. In politics things just happen & no one owns up to it. Fingers are pointed & excuses made. See Obama in the dictionary.
And, pols won’t do anything just in case they get in trouble in the future.
We have a gov’t without any accountability & any responsibility now.
No impeachment of any prez will ever happen again period.
Indeed, a politician can even admit to having been in bed with a live man and get away with it. He can admit to having added him to a state payroll so that he’d always be nearby!
One of the most ludicrous of all our assumptions is that politicians can be trusted to enforce the laws — whether the statute laws or the laws of decency — against themselves. It’s high time we unlearned it.
A republic requires a vigilant citizenry.
If we can still produce a James O’keefe we are still a free people.
Yes! Bill Clinton made morality a thing of the past. This whole episode shows me that we are entering new territory, where if the President is a Democrat, the media will protect them at all costs. We will never see corruption uncovered by the media, ever again. Not unless a Republican is president and then, they will frantically manufacture it at every turn.
Nice fantasy — but after the House passes articles of impeachment, how do you see the trial in the Senate working out (given an Obama re-election certainly means the Dems hang on to the Senate)? Just getting the 2/3rd vote for conviction is improbable even in the unlikely case of the GOP taking the Senate.
The best way to assure that Obama is removed from office is for WE THE PEOPLE to vote him out — volunteer & GOTV on 11/6/12.
The saddest thing is that the left (and many on the right) put party above anything and everything. They couldn’t care less about the denying and stripping of security before the attack and no help during the attack simply because it was “one of their own” that’s responsible. I wish it was their families that were there. Can you imagine how those people felt when they realized they had been abandoned . . . in Benghazi, Libya?
C’mon Roger, it’s not like he did something really Despicable, like say reading My Pet Goat to some children for SEVEN MINUTES while this was going on.
So, you´re comparing President Bush´s seven minutes of reading to school children to prezboy´s seven hours of watching a terrorist attack in real time?
Dawn, I believe jd’s comment was satirical
Oooops, my bad! I missed the large print!
And during the SEVEN MINUTES that a certain Fat Filmmaker in a Baseball Cap wouldn’t let us forget about, G.W. Ordered all Commercial Flights Grounded, Air Defences Scrambled, and orders for Air Defences to Shoot Down any Airliner that did not comply with the Immediate Grounding.
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Obama Lied
Mainstream Media Complied.
What are the chances of a Movie featuring the Seven Hours of Obama Dithering with the Jeopardy Music playing in the background being made?
jd, you’ve rather precisely captured the mathematical magnitude of the radically different standards applied to Republicans (7 minutes) v. Democrats (7 hours).
And, this coming Tuesday, it will be 7 full weeks since the 9/11 attack in Benghazi.
Wow… Really? He was in the middle of a story and as to not frighten and panic children tried to remain calm and finish, you are going to compare that to being out campaigning and doing television spots and such? That’s just pathetic….
If we wouldn’t attempt a rescue with assets overhead and troops in Tripoli, what are the Israelis to think when the wolves are at their door? Does Iran calculate (perhaps correctly) that he wouldn’t lift a finger if Hezbollah starts firing its rockets by the thousands out of Lebanon? Do Bahrain, Saudi, Kuwait and UAE seek accommodations with Iran? Does the EU follow suit? I understand the Germans are there now? Does China see this as a classic “paper tiger” scenario and starts getting MORE aggressive with Japan? Do the countries of SE Asia AND Australia/New Zealand start checking their weathervanes to see what direction the wind is blowing?
I don’t see smooth sailing ahead if this guy gets a second term. But! But!… we’ll have proven we’re not racist.
part of Obama’s 2nd term agenda is throwing Israel under the bus. It seems they understand that, but it’s chilling nonetheless.
I don’t think incompetence is a crime, otherwise 90% of presidents would be impeached.
He should be impeached for starting a war in Libya without any congressional authorization. Bush got it for Iraq & Afghanistan.
And what war would that be, exactly? Libya was not a war except to the tribes on the ground.
Yeah, those cruise missile and drone attacks were just target practice.
Pretty much. Surely you know how the Air Force does war: thousands of feet up, drop the payload, be home for dinner and sleep in your own bed, more or less.
The crucial point in Libya vis America is that it was not a war because there’s rules about how “a state of war” exists. Not every deployment of troops, even spec ops personnel, constitutes a war. “State of war” is a legalistic notion that sometimes beggars common sense. This is one of those cases. It looks like war to you. It looks like war to Charlie. It ain’t a war in the legal sense. If you’re going to try to impeach the guy, you have to be conscious of the fact that the president has maximum flexibility in foreign affairs, including the use of troops, and since the Constitution didn’t bother to restrict the “use of troops” to a state of war, there’s no legal grounds to impeach him for Libya.
Vote him out of office and let’s just get rid of him instead of making him the paranoid left’s latest martyr, which is exactly what will happen if he’s impeached.
Sorry, Corliss, we had Spec Ops troops on the ground… and you treasonoCrats are well aware of it.
Spec ops go a lot of places. All those missions SEAL Team Six has done that you and I know nothing about, the portion of those conducted in a declared war is tiny. Yet the missions happen. “Spec ops presence” is not a determining factor in whether a war exists or not. As far as the US is concerned, Libya was not a war.
This key phrase/sentence caught my eye and should be the subject of essays:
“Libya was not a war except to the tribes on the ground.”
Extend this so far unacceptable realization to that large part of our world from Morocco to Indonesia…..all….of that area.
This misleading and potent micro-fact, perhaps unwittingly, seems to be the key overlooked item in our refusal to admit that we’re in an emerging World Wide War against these barbaric Muslims. They’ve been fighting it since Tours/Poitiers, but we Americas are still fighting Sisyphean inertia. It has made our fighting this undeniable war itself hard to articulate politically because it’s a new concept of a religious war lacking the conventional wisdom of international boundaries.
[Unfortunately our America is the only nation with the means to fight this anti-Muslim world war......but that's another subject.]
What’s overlooked, it seems, is that the Muslims, all of whom are straddling artificially drawn boundaries, created during European colonialism, enclosing tribal, ethnic, familial, and cultural areas long in existence prior to Colonialism. They enclosed areas according to European norms. (cf: Sykes-Picot Agreement)
That’s why our American political aspect of “declaring war” is so formidable…..how do we as a nation declare war against a religion which has repeatedly declared war against us? Who, or what, specifically do we declare war against?
Remember….it’s those literally damned and free-liquid tribes we’re fighting…..it’s not easy. Forgive a metaphor….un-contained free flowing Muslims are seeping under our doors right now.
It was foretold that this would be a war of attrition lasting 27 years. Not exactly certain which quatrains. If you count 9/11/01 as the first day, we have about sixteen more years to go. Personally, I don’t think the Apocalypse will hold off that long; Islam seems to be getting bolder in their global dominion quest, Iran is definitely getting bolder in its efforts to develop nukes, and Israel is not going to just sit by and let it happen.
From the looks of how methodically these encroaching Muslims seem to be working here in America, I’d predict much more than those 27 years….maybe we should plan…..how can I know?…say, for 270 years. That’s not too outlandish, as it appears that our Asian/Muslim enemy doesn’t judge time the way we Western-Thinking-Americans do….they take a very indefinite view of all things.
It’d seem that they’ve [these Muslims] been dormant since Poitiers/Tours….then Arab nationalism seems to’ve re-ignited their fervor. The Ottoman’s collapse….Sykes/Picot….Then the Non-Arab Persian/Iranian Revolution and the Shah’s 1979 fall, Saudi oil embargo against America/The West in 1973,…was it?….disjointed and apparently not centrally controlled, but none-the-less very deadly, long run.
Opinion Alert here…but after this obviously too-brief summary of that complex History, I think we Americans have in recent years adapted to a very truncated view of that…. and all…. History with our youth growing up on these hand held devices capable of …what is it?….240 characters?
The above is why I object to such sophomoric comments as that Corlyss just above somewhere who posted ….”Libya was not a war except to the tribes on the ground.”
That, and similarly brief statements, is an exemplar of the shortsightedness and erroneous thinking extant today…….a statement which neatly leaps over so much horrible history. Try telling her that…it triggers automatic rejection in that mindset.
So, those Twenty Seven years seems to me to be a mere blink in a Muslim’s theocratic eye. But, we can’t dilly dally around with our current Political Correctness. It’s lethal.
Charlie, the only way to fight this war now is to expose the truth about their methods and their agenda. That would certainly mean abandoning political correctness and embracing free speech. Sharia law is very bad for children, boys and girls, and very bad for women, and certainly worse for infidels. Start demonizing the demons instead of bowing and appeasing them!
Again….re:
“And what war would that be, exactly? Libya was not a war except to the tribes on the ground.”
………you’ve no idea how narrowly and tragically short sighted that sentence reads.
“you’ve no idea how narrowly and tragically short sighted that sentence reads.”
I don’t understand what’s got your dander up, but let’s review the bidding here. Simon posted his opinion that Obama should be impeached. I disagreed on the grounds that Libya was not a war for America such that operations there would have to be backstopped by a Congressional declaration of war.
If you think legal interpretations of what a state of war is and under what conditions short of declared war justify the use of military or armed conflict of any kind will not form the core for any impeachment effort, you are sadly mistaken. If a declaration of war had to be obtained for every stinkin’ job the president sends the SEALs and Delta Force on, those assets would wither on the vine from non-use. Maybe you think that’s a desirable goal. I don’t. I want the president to have the flexibility to kill ankle-biters like Chavez and Castro Ghadaffi as soon as they start seriously interfering with our strategic interests anywhere. He used to have that kind of flexibility until Holier-Than-Thou Utopians like fatuous Frank Church became powerful enough to make it very difficult for the president to protect Americans and American intersts. The world’s a dangerous place. People like Church and his successors make it more dangerous. You want effective action against Islamofascists? So do I. I love drone killings even as I lament the loss of intelligence because Obama has no idea how to be effective at his job and wants to treat everyone as though he were a citizen possessed of rights the ACLU can defend. If that’s the only way liberals can protect Americans they think unworthy of protection, fine. I’ll live with it.
…..your thirteen finger tips must’ve been flyin’ over the keyboard…..whew!….what a disjointed, erratic riposte…..speaks for itself.
So, impeach his ass for breaking the law. He did violate the War Powers Act, or does the law not matter anymore? If it doesn’t, I’ll be setting sail for somewhere more orderly, like say, Colombia or Western Mexico.
Impeachment would be predicated on lying under oath, like Nixon with Watergate and Clinton with Monica. It’s not the act that is impeachable but the lying under oath. A true investigation, if there was to be one, needs sworn statements from all parties, which will never happen, then prosecute the lying. The irony is Nixon resigned under the threat of impeachment for lying about a burglary, Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow-job, Obama allowed Americans to be blown-up again on 9-11, lied about the reason then lied about the lie, but will never have to testify. He will walk away from this, because the Republicans don’t have the guts to go to the mat because the President whose responsible happens to be black.
“Impeachment would be predicated on lying under oath, like Nixon with Watergate and Clinton with Monica.”
Three things:
1) Just what oath was it that Obama lied under?
2) Richard Nixon was not impeached. He resigned when the Judiciary Committee approved the articles of impeachment.
3) Really eager to repeat the Clinton impeachment experience, are you? I’m not. It set conservatives back at least 5 years because they lacked public support for impeachment. All that wonderful capital we’d built up by running young, appealing conservatives with strong CVs against venal corrupt Dems blew away on the breaths of true believers like Henry Hyde. Do you think that Bush v. Gore would have happened if there had not still been a large residue of disgust with the Republican brand for persecuting a popular sitting president? I doubt it. All we and the country got for the Clinton impeachment was hyperpartisanship.
What do you think would be the likely outcome for conservatives of an effort, regardless of success, to impeach and delegitimize America’s first black president? I ask you to ponder on that for a few minutes, maybe think about a likely tsunami of a backlash from such a foolish enterprise.
Take a deep breath Cor, calm yourself and reread what was written. Three things: 1- Obama will never be brought to testify about anything, I said that. 2- Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment, I said that too. 3- Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath, not about what he did. People like you, and there are many on the republican side, who break into cold sweats when thinking about going up against the liberal media complex. You are so worried about how it will look and appear and what might happen. What about the rule of law? Are we all equal under the law or not? Are there those who are above the law or not? Are we a nation of laws or a nation of men? You seem to be saying that some men should be treated more favorably than others. Were you even around during Watergate? How the press was relentless in their daily reporting of a botched-up office break-in. There is a burned out Embassy and dead Americans and Obama will lie, spin and blame his way out of this just like he has done before with the help of people like yourself, who can rationalize the truth until it becomes trivial. He and his friends will walk away, because of politically scared people for whom the truth might bring uncivil consequences. Let’s call it The Law of The Left, because we are now left with no law. What will now become of society then Cor? Look at Chicago for a preview. I see your point though, the search for truth and justice can be a foolish enterprise. Tell that to the families of those who were killed.
Here’s a thought on how + when + why the “hateful video” lies came into play.
Remember when US first went after Al Qaeda. At the time we pledged to take down UBL, Ayman al Zawahiri and the leader of the Taliban, Mullah Omar. Zawahiri was originally the head of Egyptian Islamic Jihad before joining alliances with UBL, forming Al Qaeda and issuing the fatwah against the United States while Bill Clinton was president.
So Obama “forgets” all that and puts it on the shelf.
Then, on 9/10, Ayman al Zawahiri announces a mass protest at the US Embassy in Egypt in support of Al Qaeda and, particularly, to get the Blind Sheik released from the US. This happens amidst rumors that the Muslim Brotherhood had gotten Obama to agree to release the terrorist Blind Sheik (still serving for 1st WTC attack).
So the protest occurs, they breach the embassy compound, they burn US flag and replace it with the black flag of Al Qaeda. And, near concurrently, they attack in Libya just like Al Qaeda has accomplished dual attacks against our embassies before, back in the 1990′s, under Bill Clinton.
The beginning of these things is when that tweet was put out by the embassy in Egypt – the statement that apologized for free speech and was criticized by Mitt Romney, whereupon the WH had the State Dept. back off and the media then took after Romney.
I BELIEVE THIS POINT IN TIME IS WHEN THE “HATEFUL VIDEO” LIE WAS CREATED !!!
It was a cover-up of the direct ties to Al Qaeda that led to the breach of the embassy in Egypt and raising of Al Qaeda’s flag over US property.
Then they were quickly caught up in the aftermath of the events in Libya. At this point people were dying and Barack Hussein Obama was telling the CIA and DoD to “stand down”. When the dust settled he had to figure out how to explain it – voila! – it was due to a hateful video!
So when he went to the UN and lied about the video 6 times, it was like a cover up of the cover up of the cover up the US being attacked by Al Qaeda multiple times and places in the same day.
Then he went and apologized leading to mass protests and Al Qaeda propaganda for the weeks following.
If he is to retain office then he should be impeached – and not just for lying to the people of the United States – TREASON IS THE REASON!
Frankly I think Obama should be impeached because he violated the Constitution by taking the Oath of Office. There is every reason to believe he is not a natural born citizen of the United States and that he knew when he took the oath the he was not even eligible to be President.
Benghazi, sure. But the Obmasterbation should be impeached for trashing the Constitution–completely. Check out the article:
‘Rex quondam, rex futurus’
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/25/rex-quondam-rex-futurus/
A short excerpt:
“The president’s assertion that he can decide not to enforce a properly enacted and constitutionally unassailable statute violates both the vesting power of Article I, Section 1, and the presidential veto power of Article I, Section 7. (Why veto a bill, and risk an override by Congress, if a president can simply decide not to enforce it?) It also violates Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, which enjoins the president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” to say nothing of the separation of powers itself. As such, the non-reviewable veto is constitutionally suspect, but if this is a breach, it is one without a legal remedy, since there is no sanction for failing to enforce a law short of an exceedingly improbable impeachment.”
Check out the whole thing.
An Préachán
Mr. Simon –
Do you have a death wish for conservatives and Republicans? Impeachment is horrible idea, because, at its base, all this Bengazi business is is a disagreement over policy, i.e., how seriously did Val Jarrett and Obama take the signs that terrorism was resurgent after they concluded that with Obama dead they were going to bury Bush’s wars as deeply as possible and forget about terrorism.Yes, 4 people are dead, but it isn’t the first time Foreign Service has sacrificed members and it won’t be the last. If there’s ANYTHING this nation does NOT need, it’s a bunch of white guys clamoring for the impeachment of the first black president. The last impeachment exercise gave us partisanship on steroids over what the American people judged to be a trivial matter and from which we have not yet recovered. Bengazi is not trivial, but it’s not impeachment fodder either.
are you freakin serious?? a bunch of WHITE guys clamoring for impeacment?? we the people demand justice and punishment for the lies, coverups and downright abandonment of our people when help was readily available..i am a navy veteran and was totally disgusted by this regimes lack of response and total disregard for human life
Impeach. Then follow MLK and stop affirmative action. Then stop bowing to communist/socialist enemies.
What does Obama have to do to merit impeachment? Change his skin color? Become a Republican? By your logic, that is the only way.
Corlyss
I may be the only sensible guy at this site to agree with you. As you say “If there’s ANYTHING this nation does NOT need, it’s a bunch of white guys clamoring for the impeachment of the first black president.”
Based on your insight, I recommend that Allen West chair the impeachment committee. Tim Scott from South Carolina should be on the Committee as well. Mia Love of Utah could be on the Impeachment Committee as one of her first assignments. By they way, the impeachment should occur even if Romney is elected. We cannot let this treasonous activity go uninvestigated and unpunished. And with these stellar black Congressmen and women participating in the investigation of Obama, it will help to educate the entire population about the fact that being black does not prevent one from being evil.
Thanks Corlyss for the help in getting the right Committee assignments done in advance.
Yes, you and Corly are the only sensible guys on this website. Thank you so much for your insight and helpful suggestions. Therest of us are awed to bask in the glow of your brilliance and moral courage.
Donaldus Jaimeus,
Thanks for. The props. I think Allen West would do a superb job. Serving Congressman, former officer. Good credentials to get to the truth and bring justice about.
I appreciate your depth of perception.
“… this nation does NOT need … a bunch of white guys clamoring for the impeachment of the first black president.”
You’re right. LET’S HANG HIM
on his words and then forget about him the rest of his miserable life.
Actually, my real position is this:
AFTER OBAMA IS EVICTED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, I’D LIKE TO SEE HIM ELECTED TO SECRETARY-GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS.
Then I’d like to see the UN thrown out of the country.
Corlyss —
Your logic is impeccable. However, it creates the proverbial ‘slippery slope’.
For example, I think this is the same (internal) logic Chief Justice Roberts used to approve ObamaCare: He didn’t want to be the one responsible for striking down the signature legislation of the first black president.
IMO: Your right, Roberts is wrong. But where do you draw the line? Under your ‘first black president’ standard is there anything our Liar-in-Chief could do that would be impeachable?
(Apologies if this is a double-bubble. Not sure what I did to the first one.)
Corlyss,
With respect and as someone who’s appreciated your posts and fully expects to take note of many more, please forgive me, but I must confess that a point of view that accords a higher value to appeasement than it does to human life is a real stretch for me to understand. So I’m not going to waste time speculating about exactly what makes you tick on this one.
But perhaps you’d be willing to try this on for size.
What if the time is ripe to start a so-called “preference cascade” among people with the courage to admit to a vigorous opposition to the ongoing human calamity that’s been foisted on our entire culture under the general heading of affirmative action, and who want no more of it?
If that didn’t turn out to be an authentic “rainbow coalition, I’d be surprised.
Interesting Freudian slip there…I believe you meant Osama dead rather than Obama.
Of course, they’re both terrorists trying to destroy our country, so same difference…
A digression: Also interesting is the alternative terms the MSM has come up with over the last four years. Terrorists have become insurgents. Osama became Usama (probably because people were confusing him with Obama, as above, and as Bob Schieffer did at the third debate.
Mr. Simon, As Corlyss’ attending physician I should warn you he is suffering from” Impeachmentitis”, the fear of prosecuting sitting Democrat Presidents accused of any criminality. It’s cause most likely from the Lib-otomy he received while in college. It also appears that he a recovering Obamaholic, He is currently enrolled in the 12 step program at BB (BREITBART). We are encouraged at his progress thus far, but he does have relapses from time to time. This appears to be one of those times.
Wow… That was the most racist reply you could have said. Don’t impeach him because he’s the first black, well half black president…. You credibility just tanked. Additionally, if it were you family members killed you’d think it was an impeachable offense I’m sure…
Obama is no more black than he is white, and I don’t care what color he is.
barack hussein obama’s in trouble, and if only one of the three major msm news shows actually starts to report on Benghazi the others will follow. Come on, ABC, CBS, NBC, show us you have some integrity left, please. If this were a Republican President, it would be headline news, every hour, everyday! As a matter of fact you’d probably hound him out of office.
one cannot show what one has not got.
if only one of the three major msm news shows actually starts to report on Benghazi the others will follow.
Can you imaging the executive agony among the journalists of ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PBS, NYT, LAT etc etc? On one hand they can report, and re-live the ecstacy of toppling a President. On the other hand, they can continue playing ‘three wise monkeys’, and remain the Left’s standard bearer in case the votes don’t topple the Obama.
However, if Obama does topple despite silence from those ‘news’ executives, their goose is cooked with voting Americans, who will make a quantum jump toward understanding how corruptly partisan the MSM is, because the next Administration will surely do a real investigation of the coverup.
Enjoy your agonies, media bigfoots.
“However, if Obama does topple despite silence from those ‘news’ executives, their goose is cooked with voting Americans, who will make a quantum jump toward understanding how corruptly partisan the MSM is, because the next Administration will surely do a real investigation of the coverup.”
Except, the management of the big media companies don’s see themselves as partisan, as leftist, and certainly not as corrupt. The see themselves as smart, educated people who surround themselves with smart, educated people like themselves. Since everybody around them shares pretty much the same outlook, they think they’re moderate, objective, observant people. They don’t think they’re being corrupt when they’re doing what everybody they know is doing.
They see people who don’t share their outlook as ignorant, biased, yes, even racist. They really have no conception of the lens through which we ignorant, biased “bitter clingers” view things and they see any information that doesn’t fit in their worldview as unreliable, untrue, or outlier information not entitled to credibility. Obama is “people like us,” so it is inconceivable to them that any voice that contradicts him could be credible. They ain’t likely to change unless they spend a few years in the camps bringing in the harvests and clearing brush in the National Forests in 1000 calories a day. Those that live might, just might, be sane.
Indeed, I just checked the splash pages of the three network news co-sites again. Not a word about any of this breaking news. If it weren’t for Fox, Rush, Hannity, and the blogosphere, we’d all be fat, dumb, and happy here. Maybe Darrell Issa should crank up the committee hearings again.
Bottom Line: This can’t be good for the MSM audience numbers. These guys are going the way of the Dodo if they can’t report basic news in a timely fashion.
Don’t forget Jennifer Griffin. An actual Journalist.
All this Death & destruction because hussein obama just didn’t want to look bad, and maybe blow his chance at being re-elected.
PS…Since the msm doesn’t like to report anything that makes hussein obama look bad, everyone, please use all Social Media sites to tell as many people as we can what’s going on. This is a Huge deal!
Yes, he should be impeached, removed and prosecuted for this and any number of other illegal actions he’s taken as president. I hope you don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen if he’s re-elected. The GOP in DC has neither the spine nor the stomach for it even if they get a majority in both houses of Congress. And, you’re also assuming he’d sit still and allow it to happen. Why in the world are you still assuming this guy would abide by the law or a legal action of Congress when he has shown zero respect for the Constitution or the law since being elected…actually, zero respect for it his entire life. I’m sorry Mr. Simon, but you’re dreaming. If this creature gets re-elected, it’s likely you’ll be stuck with him for far more than 4 more years, too.
Folks, not one single thing is going to ever happen to any of the people who
are responsible for this tragedy. The last act of a bitter, vindictive Obama
on his way out the door of the Oval Office is going to be a rash of offical
Presidential Pardons for every single one of his cronies. Period.
Jim Whittaker
Hemet, CA
No, the President cannot pardon you for a crime for which you have not been charged. It is not a blanket carte blanche.
The President can do exactly that. Remember Ford’s pardon of Nixon in 1976?
Look, O’Dismal will NEVER be impeached if (God forbid) he wins another term. O’Dismal (like Bill Clinton) has access to all the FBI files on everyone in congress and likely all their secrets. If the impeachment train would pick up speed, look for leaks about “youthful indescretions” like were leaked about Henry Hyde. After that, the impeachment train derailed.
And don’t expect O’Dismal and his team to be held culpable for anything. O’Dismal will issue pardons for everyone. Erick “the impeached” Attorney General, Hilary Clinton, Leon Panetta, Patreaus, etal. And probably throw in the Blind Sheik and a whole range of others. No tactic is too low for the community organizer. The lesson to be learned: you had better look a little deeper than the slick commericals produced by the campaigns. And yes, character does matter. And so too, does who mentored the politicans, who they associate with, and who they take money from.
From where we now are (knowing of the brazen lies), what must be going through the heads of media types WRT the claims by Obama / Hilary (early on in the 2nd Amendment attack mission)… that the right was haphazardly peddling guns down to Mexican drug lords?
Can you imagine having “Crazy Eight Cue Ball Biden” in the big chair?
Yipes.
Jason
Whitey doesn’t have the guts to pull that trigger.Sad but True.
let Oakland and South-central burn.
If and only if the GOP can take back the Senate and keep the House, and Barry wins, then impeachment would be a real possibility, followed almost certainly by impeachment of that lyin’ idiot Biden. Something to look forward to if Romney/Ryan lose.
Conduct unbecoming and dereliction of duty are two of the catch all charges brought daily against military personel. Time for the CinC to get the same treatment.
No, he will not, no matter what outcome the elections produce. Neither will he face criminal prosecution once removed from office. By now, we should all know why.
Love your graphic. Is there any more beautiful site on earth?
Were I a member of the families – especially Doherty and Wood’s families – I would be making this my life’s work to find out the answers. The first two deaths, while a horrible way to die, may not have possible to stop once the attack began. The last two should have never have happened. Also, had those two heroes not put themselves in harms way, it could have been a much higher body count.
What truly scares me is that Obama STILL appears to think that the Bin Laden story is going to save him.
This administration did not heighten security in one of its consulates in one of the most volatile regions of the world on the anniversary of 9/11. It doesn’t appear to have learned its lesson from the tragedy.
And we are going to have both a box office and a cable movie about the Bin Laden raid shown before the election.
If they at any time truly thought that the internet video was responsible for any of the unrest, why wouldn’t they assume one or both of those movies would set off an even bigger series of riots, etc. and DO SOMETHING about that concern?
Even when you assume that this administration’s actions are all about getting reelected, their actions seem more grounded in “hope” it works out well, than in competence and planning.
“And we are going to have both a box office and a cable movie about the Bin Laden raid shown before the election.”
Which should be met with thundering silence, in the same way Obama’s mounting death toll is being treatd by the msm.
what is this crap about the electoral college? everyone believes the hype of the polls. tell me, how much does romney lead in independent voters that the media doesn’t mention? In Ohio, 300,000 evangelical voters sat on their hands in 2008 and didn’t vote…obama’s victory margin? 280,000. As far as obama’s guilt…he needs to lose, leave office and be arrested for violating his oath, which would include charges for fast and furious. That action would finally lead to holder being put “back in chains” as well. i want the full effect, nothing less will do. imagine the treasure trove of indictments if the GOP takes back the Senate…
Impeachment is a great idea, if you want to rehabilitate Obama’s image (ala Clinton ’98) and save the dems from his legacy.
“If Barack Obama is reelected, will he face impeachment over Benghazi”
No. Does not meet the standard of malfeasance set forth in article two. “Fast & Furious” does meet that standard, however, but no one cares.
Even if Republicans won 100% of the House and Senate, they will have neither the will nor popularity to impeach a president who won the popular vote after his low crimes became public. Only fresh outrages upon America, which Obama will exercise, can cause his impeachment.
The proper procedure will be for a high ranking white guy to hang for Obama’s sins. This is U.S. Government S.O.P. since the Government is now mandated to be race obeisant.
Panetta looks like the stooge.
No, Patraeus; he has committed at least two mortal sins: He was in the military and he served under GWB. He’s toast.
Obama violated no laws so impeachment is out. He did, however, break faith with those serving him. If he wins re-election every Ambassador should resign and all men and women voluntarily serving overseas should also resign. “Barky” Obama just put a price on their heads by telling every thug in the world “go ahead, I’m all bark and no bite, kill anybody that you want to kill, I won’t lift a finger”.
If you want people to serve you then you can’t leave them in the lurch. You don’t leave people behind because it might be you the next time rescuing is needed.
The worst part is that a rescue mission, successful or not, would have won the election for Obama. His streak of wrong decisions remains unbroken. Barack Obama, the wrong man every time, all the time.
Chris: I agree with you. An attempt at a rescue mission – even if it failed – would have won the election for Obama. It would have shown that he had the minimal stones to be a Commander-in-Chief. Instead, he will lose the election because he denied on-station military assistance to doomed Americans, and he is now lying to cover up that failure.
The media will not tell the truth. It is up to us, to you and me and others reading the truth on blogs like this, to bring the facts to the attention of the people who would otherwise vote for Obama.
I think your right. To a point.
Over throwing Kadafe for European Oil companies is looking real bad now that half the country has gone radical.
Sadly… I totally agree with some here.
Obama would never ever come close to being impeached. In fact, he and his entire gang will get away with absolutely everything – from Fast & Furious, the security leaks, trooper-gate, GSA-gate and now Benghazi-gate.
The best we the good people of USA can hope to do and should do is – send this despicable community organizer back to where he came from, and make sure that our victory in November has a large enough margin to give a clear mandate for the reforms that our nation so desperately needs.
History will not judge this man kindly, because in time most everything about him and his pals will come out.
God bless America.
Now let’s really pass the word and march to the polls.
One theory for the cover-up: The administration staged a kidnapping of the Ambassador then have him released just before the election, with the idea that Obama would then appear the hero. When the scheme went south and people were killed, they concocted the story of the attack happening because of ‘spontaneous protests over the video’ (which was false on its face) along with stonewalling on what actually happened (‘we’re still investigating’). Sick? Absolutely, just as was sending guns to the Mexican drug cartels in Fast & Furious to prove (falsely) that guns used in the drug wars were coming from the US (they weren’t – most were coming from Guatemala, Columbia, Europe, Russia, et al) for the purpose of weakening the 2nd Amendment.
This administration must go.
This administration must go . . . . . to jail.
…and not collect $200,000 is it? for life, along with perks too numerous to mention, worthy of a pasha.
Bazaar. Cleanup, bottom of page one, please.
a Middle Eastern bizarre.
…how weird these spell-checkers are?
They should have been working on impeachment for other illegal things(take yoiur pick- fast and furious, going around congress on numerous occasions, stimulous faud, campaign donations from foreigns…) he has done for 6 months. The republican mantra should have been ” why re elect this criminal, we are just going to impeach him anyway”….
Impeachment does long lasting harm to the presidency as an institution.Our politics of suspicion still have not recovered from Watergate. If we can’t defeat Obama at the polls then there is little to be gained by tying the country in knots for 2 years in the middle of a national crisis. I don’t hold with Karl Marx that religion is the opiate of the people, but I’ll tell you this – impeachment is the cocaine of the politicians. A lot of people wanted to impeach Bush over the lack of WMD in Iraq. By all means investigate the incident – we deserve answers, just as we do about Fast and Furious. I see inexperience and incompetence and the solution, as Roger points out, is to vote for Romney.
This is one reason why I think a parliamentary system is better. They can simply vote “no confidence” without any allegation of high crimes and misdemeanors. It’s moderately disruptive, but not traumatic like impeachment is.
Impeachable or not, Obama, and Panetta, have lost the moral authority for command. If re-elected, every order will spark an assessment in those sent in harms way rather than immediate action. Petraeus knows once the trust of your troops is lost, it cannot be regained.
It is interesting Panetta has ordered the military involved in the Benghazi crisis not to talk. Congress should immediately move to cancel funding for Panetta’s weekend trips home until he decides not to interfere with Congress’ proper oversight.
A conviction after impeachment allows for two penalties:
1. removal from office; and
2. disqualification to hold . . . any Office . . . under the United States.
Therefore, some legal thinkers have suggested that a FORMER officer of the U.S. might properly be impeached and convicted, so as to prevent his holding a future office.
For example, if “former” SecDef Panetta should be impeached and convicted long after he leaves the Pentagon, he could still be made ineligible for future office.
(BTW, I believe the reason impeached/convicted former-judge Alcee Hastings is able to serve today in the HOR is that the drafters of his articles of impeachment apparently forgot to include a clause that would rule him ineligible for future office. His only penalty — as voted by the Senate — was removal from office.)
That being said, I agree with the commenters here who suggest that impeachment of Obama would be an absolutely terrible idea. But Panetta, Hilary and maybe Petraeus? Go for it!
Now there’s some icing on the cake.
Get Obama (post-presidency) to testify in the impeachment hearing of Hillary Clinton, thus preventing her 2016 run. Suh-weet.
My ideal fantasy punishment for Obama is that he would be banished from United States soil, like the fictional protagonist in the story, “The Man without a Country,” however that might be accomplished. Only no American money would be spent sailing him continuously around the waters of the earth, never in sight of an American flag or coastline. Sigh……a woman can dream, can’t she??
I do believe that such a sanction could also extend to forfeiture of federal pensions, which for the officers in question are quite substantial: General Petreus is entitled to a pension of nearly $200,000 a year based on his service in the Army and at the CIA. Secretary Clinton is entitled to 18% of her high-3 pay, which works out to about $32,000 per year.
As a physician, I am now convinced that Joe Biden has disease of the frontal lobes of his cerebral cortex. Those with this disease lack normal behavioral inhibitory capability. Biden’s was weak to begin with, but his recent behavior, especially “loudly and boisterously” commenting on the size of Seal Tyrone Woods’ testicles to his grieving father when the bodies returned is pathognomonic of Biden’s illness. This is in keeping with his evident interest in running for president in four years.
One more reason to defeat Obama at the polls.
Roger, have you read Eric Cantor’s Litany of Lies compilation? (and my comments adding an array of additional charges?)
Benghazi is Obama skipping taking an intel briefing then skipping giving one. It’s a coverup of a foreign policy that he does not want to admit to the American people.
But, it is the myriad of usurpations of power, grasping at imperial powers, flouting of laws…essentially a completely Lawless Presidency that is much more dangerous to our continued existence as a representative self-governing democracy.
Because the mass media are active co-conspirators in overthrowing our system of self-governance and eroding our protections…we stand on the edge of the event horizon, staring agape at the abyss.
If WE here do not clearly, articulately, loudly and repeatedly outline the Lawless Presidency…if we do not make this complaint HERE…outline it completely…WE will have failed our country and our countrymen.
There will be no impeachment, Roger. WE must hold the trial in the court of public opinion. WE must prosecute it. But, it should not be restricted to Benghazi. The entire Lawless Presidency must be placed on trial. Here. Now.
By us.
I have one more excoriation for you, Cfb. The military.
We have been cowed since WWII into knee-jerk “support” of the military (aka “our troops”). Enough already!They haven’t won a war since 1945!
Yes, it’s the fault of the politicians and the general staff.
No, it’s not the fault of GI Joe or most of the officers under field grade.
But it is the fault of the toadies and the careerists and the sophists in high ranks who mimic the French WWI general staff.
The sophists in the field-grade-and-above military are those guys who rationalize: “Well, this is treachery, but I can do more to combat it from within than I could by resigning my commission and exposing it from without.”
Since the treachery of Vietnam we’ve had Taylor, Westmoreland, Weyland, Tommy Franks, Mcinerney and now even Petraeus. Heros to the public. Traitors to their oaths.
Real heroism requires that they resign their commission and publicly expose the treason at the top that destroys our military’s morale, even its very institutionality, and which murders our best young men for the avarice of effeminate politicians, bureaucrats and their flying monkeys.
We are in the time of Cicero, and the generals are no better than the dictators.
We haven’t had a declared war since 1945. You can’t win a war that you’re not in.
Imam Obama should have been impeached long ago for many of treasonous acts he committed !
The spineless GOP will not take action.
The wimps are all go-along to get along pansies !
The TEA party needs to ratchet up the pressure on all elected officials.
No impeachment for a black president no matter the extent of his incompetence or criminal behavior. BO didnt get elected on “the content of his character”. He got elected because he was black, cool, crooked, and phony. If he gets re elected it will be for the same reason and by the same stupid, dupped people. Why do you think he only appears on left wing fluff shows ? We have become a divided country (Obama agenda) of dependents and deadbeats whom the democrats want to foster and increase by exploiting the sweat and good will of the productive class. The only way to begin unwinding this black horror show is for the usual apathetics to stop watching the Simpsons and drag their sorry a**es to the voting booths. If BO is given another 4 years you will think Benghazi was a day at the park. BO feels that 4 more dead Americans is but a small price, or as he refers to them “bumps in the road” to pay for his re election/coronation. GO VOTE.
Agreed. Those 53% idealistic and starry-eyed literally-liberal voters who put that chameleon in Office are still out there, blinded still by their sophomoric obsession with being “cool”.
If Barack Obama were impeached and convicted, that would leave Joe Biden as President. Sorry, checkmate.
Last time I checked stupid moves and political lies were not impeachable offenses. If they were then every president would need to be impeached.
Check again, you left out the malfeasance, deliberate, that led to four American deaths. I think you could work with the Constitution on that. Also, in some vague way are you comparing this incident and the surrounding prevarications with “every president”? Are you serious? In any case the point is academic, much as Obama dseserves the ignominy, & more, it will never happen. Racism you know.
Then allow me to compile a list of charges:
Accepting campaign donations from foreign nationals
Releasing classified information for political reasons
Dereliction of duty
Acts of retaliation against whistle-blowers and dissenting States
Committing US military forces to combat without the consent of Congress in violation of the War Powers Act
Disregarding statutes and issuing Executive Orders to do things that can only be done by Act of Congress or are wholly unconstitutional
Religious persecution of US citizens
Conduct unbecoming of the President of the United States
If AC-130 assets were in the area and useable then the failure to use them is very serious. But be aware that military aircraft aren’t always ready to go to war: at the critical moment the ‘available’ plane may be sitting in a maintenance hangar with an engine off, for instance. I do have some doubts that a mission-ready AC-130 would have been flying over Libya ‘for no particular reason’ just at the opportune moment. But, we’ll see.
I want to object mildly to your calling this a “terror attack.” Terrorism involves harming non-players to bring pressure on a government, and diplomatic personnel are most certainly players. It was an act of war, not ‘terrorism’. This may seem like a fiddly point, but ‘terrorism’ has already seen a lot of semantic creep and if we don’t want to see, for instance, the government calling disfavored political movements ‘terrorist’ then it behooves us to insist on the word’s original meaning.
That’s an important point. This wasn’t terrorism, this was every bit as much an act of war as the Barbary Pirates.
Everyone needs to listen to this Lt. Col.’s call to Rush Limbaugh. A specific classified code indicated that the Ambassador was in peril. and there are protocols which must be OVER RIDDEN if assistance is not to be sent.
Obama Had to know and Had to make the choice not to save his people.
http://www.therightscoop.com/must-watch-rush-military-caller-says-beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt-obama-knew-about-benghazi-attack-ordered-no-response/
he should have been impeached a long long time ago!
our reps should be impeached for not demanding it
Clinton was impeached for attempting to subvert a federal civil rights lawsuit by tampering with witnesses (among other things). This is a violation of the Oath of Office. Clinton, himself, was the defendant in this suit. Paula Jones was the petitioner. I call it the “Oath of Office Scandal”. Others call it the “Monica Lewinsky Scandal”.
I have held the belief for at least the past year that if BHO gets re-elected and the Republicans retain control of the House of Representatives, then he was going to end up being impeached anyway, even before Benghazi. Obama has pretty much been ruling through his unelected, czars, through executive order and through regulatory chicanery since 2010. I believe that we would have seen impeachment motions already over Fast & Furious if there wasn’t an election coming up. Without any constraints on his totalitarian instincts, BHO would pretty much do as he wished without bothering with Congress, the Constitution or any other trifles such as the past 43 presidents have concerned themselves with. therefore, Congress would either have to impeach BHO in order to protect the institution itself, or resign itself to this becoming a Republic in name only.
By the way, I believe BHO needs to be impeached even if Romney wins the election. Convene the House on November 8, hold hearing for a couple of weeks and vote impeachment before Christmas. Who cares at that point if the Senate convicts or not?
My biggest fear is that Romney wins the election and Congress, knowning that the president and all his minions will be gone in a few weeks, drops the whole thing. That, too, would be a crime.
Sweeping this whole thing under the rug would not only do a disservice to the men who died in Benghazi that night, it would also allow it to happen all over again in some other administration. The people in Washington have to learn the hard way that you can’t play politics with the lives of people who serve this nation. To do that would break the faith these same people have that their government will defend them when it counts most and it also puts other lives at risk in the future. No, there should be criminal charges brought against those responsible so that a trial is guaranteed regardless of who wins this election. Not to do that would be a stain on this nation’s honor that no election could clean out.
This is for congress to deal with, not the POTUS. What Romney needs to do is 1) get the moles and rats out of the agencies, and 2) turn AG Giuliani loose on all the clear violations of law in the agencies. There’s more than plenty of that to do.
Ah,”AG Giuliani.” Music to my ears (or perhaps more accurately, a feast for my eyes).
Your biggest fear will likely be realized.
A question for the legal eagles who read and comment here…can the families of the murdered Americans file a wrongful death suit against the Prez, Clinton, Panetta or does there have to be a criminal trial first?
I remember Watergate and Monicagate…this is so much worse. His administration left those people to die. And watched it happen. Another attack on 9/11 was an inconvenient truth, the war continues and we are weaker than we were under Bush.
I believe that precedent has been set… wrongful death suites can be filed even if there is no criminal trial.
Indeed, as OJ Simpson demonstrated, wrongful death lawsuits can be filed (and won) even if the defendant was acquitted in a criminal trial.
Great article. I couldn’t agree more. But fix your spelling in the last paragraph on page 1 — a Middle Eastern bazaar might be bizarre, but it is not A bizarre. #things Spell Checker doesn’t catch
If Obama gets re-elected, the half-regime that is already visible in the cover-up of Benghazigate will become a real regime pretty fast. They will surely invent some way to silence the dissent on the net.
Freedom must win in November.
Think only about working hard in these last few days to inform, explain, convince.
Obama must go.
Sometimes I wonder if Barack Obama has some kind of dream of being, post-Presidency, the Simon Bolivar or Benjamin Franklin of the Muslim world. It would explain his hesitancy in opening fire.
I couldn’t agree with you more…. however…… do we really want biden at the head of an administration? He could probably be declared unfit to lead by his “deranged” actions on the campaign trail. I’d much rather obama simply loose and for the sake of example and I hope he looses BIG!!!
What I see being flaunted before us by this administration are the adumbrations of utter depravity to which a culture that has lost all respect for human life is able to sink, en masse, before our very eyes.
Welcome to the logical end point of the culture of death.
We can choose to be impotently swept away by this crimson tide, or we can resist by voting them out of office on November 6th. It’s that simple.
MayberryLady..exactly! Obama and his adminstration have no respect for human life. Had Americans read Obama’s biography they would have seen this.Obama states in his autobiography that if you want to know who he is and what his agenda will be than look to those he gravitates towards. Lets take a look at these people. Bill Ayers(claims that Americans who refuse communism must be killed and others re-educated in camps) Black Panthers(kill whitey; take their life belongings as booty)Rev Wright(punish america;validated black superiority)muslim brotherhood(kill infidels;tax americans for protection from them;take the belongings of americans as booty)abortion(kill babies up to 9 mo gestation)homosexuals(indoctrinate young children with perverse sex acts and punish parents who refuse)healthcare bill(death panels)( there is a ‘dhimmitude tax written in the bill)Anita Dunn(Finds Mao an inspiration;Mao killed millions o his own ppl)Valarie Jarret(iranian of the day;2008;slumlord,in bed with muslim brotherhood)How can americans not see how dangerous this president is. How unsettling that America’s enemies applauded obama when he won the presidency(Hamas;hezbollah;Iran;Russia)
we may have had support gunships over Libya when the massacre was occurring, one — with a laser beam trained on the enemy
The laser beam is normally trained by the guy with boots on the ground and a view of the enemy, and that is the news I saw a couple of days ago. Whether there was a C-130 standing by is also a matter of rumor – better not to believe it until confirmed. If both of those elements are in place, yes, all sorts of hell will rain down on the illuminated object. But it’s likely we won’t know until long after November 6th.
Illumination is possible only by direct line of sight. And it is dangerous under fire and therefore useless to do without presence of firing assets on stand-by. So it is highly doubtfull the illumination was done just for illumination sake. Let’s wait few days for confirmation (or further denial).
I see Benghazi getting lost in the eternal mishmash of BS if this guy Obama were to be re-elected.
Look at what’s happened to Fast & Furious after Obama’s wildly dubious claim of “executive privilege” and the release of a highly biased report.
Getting away with murder seems to be the order of the day in United States governance.
Government by smokescreen and lies.
Benghazi and everything else is going to get lost in that damned hurricane if it strikes anywhere near the BoWash Axis of Evil. The Regime and their running dogs in the media will make it look like the end of the World even if it is only a gentle sea breeze. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a move to delay the election or extend voting time in the effected states. Any time you extend elections, the Democrats figure out how to get more votes.
You underestimate the potential level of damage caused by Frankenstorm,
and the political damage to the people who will be held responsible:
http://pjmedia.com/weathernerd/
Mr. Simon.
Re. “He hasn’t said a word, at least one that makes any sense.”
Not correct, in response to a Q. from Colorado correspondent he replied that”Benghazi has nothing to do with election.”
And it does tells a lot (at least to me).
I want this entire gang to be jailed. With or without impeachment. Unfortunately this will never happen. Romney already, while receiving security briefings stopped talking about Benghazi.
If Romney beats the drum he loses women and the growing isolationist (Ron Paul) movement.
1. How do you know? Decent women are upset by this no less than decent man. Paulistas, OTOH, I do not know, may be you are correct about them.
2. It can be done by various PACs.
Whoever makes these calculations about not saying this or that so you don’t lose this or that imagined voting bloc…should be shot.
So “the press” crucified Romney over his entirely accurate observations on the Cairo Embassy apology.
So Candy Crowley kissed Obama’s you-know-what by misrepresenting his September 12 Rose Garden generic remark on “terror”.
If things like that are why Mitt Romney didn’t ask direct questions about Benghazi in the 3rd debate, he is a certifiable chicken.
Romney just needs to win the election. Does the right really need more red meat?
Think through what you are saying.
I wouldn’t want to wade into that either knowing that the person I’m inquiring of is going to blatantly lie and the “moderator” is going to lie with them. Without all the evidence you just can’t win that one.
If Romney says a word, pravda makes the election about that rather than the economy. They will die to protect their love interest.
It’s easy for us to say that all the information is readily available and that any idiot could discern the truth of the matter. Unfortunately, many of the 5-10% of voters who hold the election in their hands don’t rise to the level of an idiot. They know that their incomes have decreased and that their friends have lost their jobs, but there is no way on earth they will be able to see through the pravda smokescreen about what happened in Benghazi. When Brian Williams intones that the real issue is that Romney is playing politics, they will believe the liar.
Where can I get some tin foil hats? All of this information you are regurgitating from an undersourced and underinformed Fox Limbaugh Hannity news feed leads me to believe the sky! Is! Falling! Wouldn’t want the guvmint to read my thoughts….
Isn’t that Mayan Calender thing like only 8-9 weeks away?
Makes sense. Since conservatives have no ethics, it makes sense that if they lose the election, that they will simply cheat in order to impose their will on an unwilling electorate. They only care about wining at any cost. Who cares about the country, the people, the constitution? Conservatives hate all of these things.
I have no doubt that Republicans will attempt to impeach a President elected by the people. That’s simply in line with their goals: win at any price.
You wouldn’t know an ethic if it bit you in the backside.
For your edification (impossible), it is Obama who has such considerable problems with the single document he swore to uphold when he took the Oath of Office.
No one with a functioning brain could call this current president ethical.
Ethics? 4 people are dead. DEAD! Presidential gang blamed it on a video nobody seen. But even stupid video doesn’t kill. Gangsters kill, bandits kill, politicians WITHOUT ETHICS kill. So first let’s find:
1. Why there were no security for the USA ambassador
2. If the support was denied WHY was it denied
3. Why the gang + MSM enthusiastically pushed redirection to a video as if someones’ faked (or real) rage over something justifies killings.
4. Why the “investigation” goes for more than a month now?
And than you can blubber about ethics all you want. I want the answers first and your “ethical” nonsense distant second (may be).
1. ambassador had requested upped security (including cable sent day of attack) and described the increasing AQ infiltration in eastern Libya over months;
2. the state department (notably a Charlene Lamb) had turned him down; Barack and Hillary were using some locals in an attempt to effect Barack’s ideological goal of befriending a formerly relatively hostile country;
3. Obama knew the MSM would support the narrative, after the gang that can’t shoot straight at the White House had decided to push “the video”;
4. Because obfuscation until November 6 is the only goal.
All this shit for the damn oil
For the Euros’s oil. The US doesn’t get much from Libya. And the left’s greens are preventing North America from becoming independent.
all to delay the fall of the EU by a year or two.
If Romney wins this election and we finally have a LEADER sleeping in our white house who believes in GOD and AMERICA, I am throwing a party in my back yard complete with fireworks, and you’re all invited!
Yes. Something like that. I may just go to Washington for the inaugural. I also have been fantasizing about wearing a long dress, high heels, my prettiest dangly earrings and perfect makeup to the voting place to show how much pleasure it gives me to be able to vote against Mr. Obama.
And now Russell Crowe has entered the fray.
Read “Et Tu Brute” and have a laugh at:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
This election will be stolen by the Democrats. In Ohio Somalians(?) are being delivered with Demo interpreters to vote. Obama follows no laws but his own so I doubt that impeachment is a possibilty.
The impeachment should start now, not after the election
THAT would give Obama the win for sure. You need only look at how unpopular Clinton’s impeachment was with the average voter.
There are multiple scandals but only one impeachable offense. And it’s huge.
Scandal 1: not providing adequate security. Unfortunately, incompetance isn’t impeachable. If it was, half the presidents would have been impeachd.
Scandal 2: misleading the country about terrorism. Possibly impeachable, but it would be a tough slog
Scandal 3: not protecting the lives of the diplomats and their rescuers even though the attack was identified from minute 1. This is the most horrific offense, but also probably not impeachable. Incompetance is common. This impeachment, however, would gather a lot of support
Scandal 4: lying about the incident to the American public. Not impeachable…it happens all the time. One can even make a case that lying is the proper thing to do in many national security situations.
Scandal 5: lying about the incident for political gain. This is the one. It’s highly impeachable, even though Scandals 1, 2, and 3 are much worse. We can’t allow criminal politicians to manipulate public opinion on matters of national security for their own personal gain.
Unfortunately, the impeachable offense will also be the hardest one to prove. All of the others are easy to prove, but to prove that the Fraud lied in order to get re-elected will be really hard to prove. The House would easily indict, but a lot of Republican Senators, like McCain, would vote against it. There is no way to get even a simple majority, no matter 2/3′s.
But if it was me, I wouldn’t just impeach the criminal, I would, at a minimum, revoke his citizenship (assuming it could be proven that he is a citizen), ban him from the country for life, with no benefits, and require him to pay back every dime he spent on himself while in office.
Well said.
I have said to more than one person shouting “impeach the sucker” that the charges have to be highly specific, all that “high crimes and misdemeanors” stuff.
So even if impeachment were to go forward, the formal description of the charges brought by a House of Representatives would fall far short of what’s gone on around the Benghazi circus.
So if Obama is reelected and impeached, who becomes president, Joe Biden? Is that an improvement? Biden is the poison pill.
It is said that Nixon, a pretty good lawyer himself, felt that he was safe from Watergate charges because nothing of which he was accused even if proven constituted a high crime or misdemeanor as the Constitution required. When queried by Nixon about impeachment, Laird, his AG, replied, “Mr. President, they don’t need evidence, the just need votes. The visit by the group of senators from his own party showed Nixon that “they” had the votes, so he resigned in what was basically a coup d’etat run by the Left through their mouthpieces and house organs, the WaPo and the NYT.
As long as Comrade Obama is the darling of the MSM, you’ll never, never, ever get the Senate votes to convict him no matter what he does and talking about it just makes Republicans/conservatives look stupid.
That’s the bottom line. You’re completely right. The MSM gets to veto all impeachments/convictions. And that’s without figuring in Dirty Harry’s lame duck term.
This is what makes the difference.The Republicans did the right thing!This vwon’t be the case with the Dems they always cover up in doing so damaging the image of the USA overseas.No world leader will respect the President,the guy has no credibility.If reelected he will be a lame duck.Anyay this is to the delight of the Chinese and Russians.The U S is more and more looking like a third world country.Bankrupt financially as well as intellectually.At least in the third world countries they now where their learders were born and the leaders knew it themselves.
Roger,
The only impeachment he deserved is 300+ electoral votes, for Romney. God forbid if this Anti American Marxist, is reselected, you will see the disintegration of America along racial, ethnic, class, regional lines. There is no way America can survive another four years of Obama. The best thing we can hope for, is the election of Romney, and if we are lucky after he is thrown out office someone will unearth everything about Hussein O and Benghazigate.
Re: “you will see the disintegration of America along racial, ethnic, class, regional lines.” As bed as this is, it is not the worst. The worst thing is that it will trigger shooting. Along the same lines you mentioned. The country is full (about 20mil) recreational hunters knowing how to shoot and may be they will manage to save it from the final plunge down historical abyss although this is a low probability assessment: all government agencies are buying ammunition in frightening quantities…
Sorry, this should be bad, not bed
Ok, this was a hit intended against the ambassador that went horribly wrong, when other two american men heard the distress signal and run to help. There, I said it.
I’d like to see a big mob screaming “Lier! Assassin!” at him during one of his campaign speeches. A good republican mob, experts in the ancient art of infiltration.
General Ham, who ran the African theater, was just replaced. I bet it had something to do with Libya. He can be a star witness for the impreachment. He had better watch his back until then.
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Nice.
Even after 4 years as Commander-in-Chief, Obama still isn’t qualified to be Commander-in-Chief.
Even if not re-elected, new congress is sworn in before Romney takes the oath.
Obama can be impeached then.
December 28, 1944 through mid January 1944, east of Bastogne the Germans were running like rats jumping ship.
Even Kampfgruppe Peiper, the most decorated tank commander in the German army and Hitler’s particular pet, was running for his life, trying to reach German lines with the wet sticky blood of Malmedy giving him the biggest hand washing phobia since Mark Brutus stuck his friend Julius in the back.
The Bulge of the famous battle had been filled in and the sky was filled with American P-40′s. It was a free fire zone. Fire was open on all targets of opportunity.
Everywhere American pilots,looked, the weather crystal blue clear, they saw German troops, German trucks and tanks running for cover, heading east. It was a turkey shoot. More sitting ducks American pilots had ever seen.
“Rachel, where the hell are you going with this? I can hear my fellow commenters yell.
Here’s the connection boys.
Wherever I look, I see targets of opportunity to write about, complements of Obama.
If we had an honest mainstream media, my machine guns wouldn’t be white hot every day, firing from my computer keyboard at the panicking totalitarian leftist corrupt cowards.
The good ship Obama has sprung more leaks than the Titanic. The Obama machine is more monkey wrench than machine. The buzzing noise kind of like a humming bird is the sound bullets. A sound not that different is ringing in the Obama gangs’ ears.
The Obama boys remind me of Henry Cooper in the 7th round of the last Ali fight.
Bloody, battered and barely conscious.
Obama targets of opportunity:
His idiot commercials. Idiot class warfare speeches. Pitiful attacks on Romney. Childish Romney mock word plays. His failure to defend Wisconsin. His cooking of Ohio Polls. His plan to keep the military from voting; and stealing votes from the civilian pro-American population. His opening of the borders to get votes. His vulgar language. His continued attack on the Catholic Religion and constant sucking apology to Muslims the world over. His cocaine use. Hatred of Netanyahu. England and the rest of our allies. His promise to give Poland missile defense broken like a piece of priceless crystal on the theory that once trust is shattered, you can never get it back.
His youtube phantom video designed to deflect blame for the massacre at Benghazi.
His decision not to send rescuers to Benghazi. Which is the single most egregious act by a United States President in this nation’s history.
If Obama doesn’t deserve impeachment, no President ever will.
Yesterday, I finished a comment on a piece written by Bryan Preston of Pajamas Media on the ObamaRatLiar being caught by emails and cables sent the evening of Sept. 11, 2012 and received in Wash. DC at 5:05PM Washington DC time.
I ended my comment with this sentence.
I vote for more than impeachment.
Then this morning I saw this Roger Simon missile hit the target, titled: If Obama’s reelected, he should be impeached over Benghazi.
Great subject.
Hewitt, American Thinker, Michelle Malkin, Hannity, O’reilly, Savage; none can even think that far. Roger Simon tells me with this article why he’s in charge at PJM. This is an article a leader who knows how to think big.
Obama made up the video story the evening of Sept. 11, 2012. The same evening he gave the orders for our crisis ready military to stand down because a rescue didn’t fit Obama’s video tape narrative. In the back of Obama’s mind, a failed rescue attempt also might make him look bad.
True, the New York Times is still whistling pass Obama’s graveyard decision not to sent help. Like Dan Rather was fired for making up the Bush National Guard lies pre0-election, Obama’s going to be fired, too. This nation may have lost its way, but it’s in the process of finding it again. I can feel it.
Benghazi will do Obama in. The anointed one is caught like a rat in a trap.
The anointed one is anointed no more.
The thrill is gone. He’s utterly and ultimately responsible for the immoral decision not to rescue the American lives at Benghazi. The father of one of the victims yesterday called Obama a murderer. Obama called their deaths no optimal.
Obama is not just like a rat in a trap. He is one.
I vote for much worse than impeachment.
Sadly, half the population doesn’t get it, and a sledgehammer won’t drive the point home.
After watching 4 years of disregard for the rule of law, aided and abetted by a party that refuses to look beyond any concern greater than either regaining power or keeping it by all means necessary, what in the world would give any rational citizen the idea that this president can ever be impeached?
The nation had its chance years ago to impose the rule of law on a president who clearly committed a felony – egregious enough he had to give up his license to practice law – and yet he stayed in office because it just didn’t seem important enough to a majority of the people to hold their elected officials accountable to the same laws they impose on the rest of us.
We’re getting the kind of government that the majority decided they wanted.
I doubt we will ever see a president impeached ever again.
You right wing nutjobs hope this conspiracy is true, but it is not. Because it is a conspiracy, and they never turn out to be true. Please tell me why the President who is runnung for re-election and knows ever decision he makes is being recorded for historical purposes would lie to the American people, he wouldn’t and he didn’t. But it makes a great story.
He wouldn’t lie?!? What?!? Of course he would, especially as he knows the Mouthpiece Media are not going to expose his lies. You are delusional.
“Please tell me why the President who is runnung(sic) for re-election and knows ever(sic) decision he makes is being recorded for historical purposes would lie to the American people, he wouldn’t and he didn’t.”
Yet another reader notices the parallel between Richard Nixon and Barack Obama.
What do you consider a conspiracy here? The fact that 4 people are dead? The fact that they ask for help and did not get any? The fact the admin. deliberately tried to mislead the population with bogus stories about some unknown youtube video? The fact that almost 2 months after event the admin. still “gathering information”?
What?
Please clarify.
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Yeah, Presidents never lie to the American people.
If you say so.
– DEMedia will just broadcast that it is GOP sour grapes.
I don’t mean to sound hateful (I might be confused for a liberturd), but I’d dearly love to see Hillary in a cell next to our EX-Dear Leader Obama the Islamist. Sorry, I’ve nothing else to contribute to this fine discussion.
You have more faith in the House Republicans than I do, Roger (even in the event, God help us, that Obama wins the Electoral College and Romney the popular vote). Republicans are still stinging from the unpopular Clinton impeachment and would be loathe to expose themselves to charges of a “sore loser” impeachment that seeks to undo the election results.
Nixon resigned because his own party refused to support him and the public was no longer behind him. There’s small chance of Congressional Democrats pulling their support and I’m honestly not sure what the public reaction would be especially considering that convicting Obama would mean Hail to the Chief Joe Biden. In Clinton’s case, although Democrats were initially royally pissed off at President I-just-can’t-keep-it-in-my-pants-no-matter-how-hard-I-try, they eventually did come around and the public signalled its displeasure by consistently giving Clinton high ratings for his job performance.
I sincerely doubt Republicans have the heart (nor the requisite balls) for impeachment no matter how richly deserved.
Now now, Roger, we only impeach over trifles, like perjury over third rate burglaries where nobody died and dissimulating under oath over what the meaning of sex is when it’s only oral copulation between consenting adults. Nixon resigned before the senate trial and Clinton got off over the on the job oval office hummer with an intern, mainly because both Senates where impeachments are tried were democratic bastions at the time. You know the bummer in Benghazi is going to be chalked up to work place violence caused by that Islamophobic Youtube trailer that absolutely no one saw in Cairo much less at Abdul’s on the shores of Tripoli. In another year the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders will have Islamophobia as a mental malady and pointing out that someone is acting suspicious and looks to be flying while Muslim will be a psychological disorder.
Absolutely agree that Obama should be impeached. Also, must add Holder to the list.
Stevens was gay. Where is the outrage from the queers about it?
If he was black, I’m betting the hyphenated Americans would probably be equally as silent, unless the president was a republican.
It’s about the ideology…always the ideology. Never reality.
It is impossible for me to believe that the order to stand down came from anyone but the president. How else to explain it? He’d throw Hillary under that bus in a heart-beat! After all, his most endearing talent is throwing people under the bus.
Does anyone think that this president wouldn’t have already thrown that person under the bus had it been anyone else?
Hmmm?
He’ll do anything to get elected – if this problem doesn’t clear up quickly he’s toast.
It came from the president. President Jarrett.
I apologize for this, but if Obama wins, there will be no impeachment. He should be impeached right now for being an obvious, provable, and observable communist. Republicans apparently no longer recognize a communist when he’s right under their nose, or no longer think it is an impeachable offense. Impeachment? Don’t make me cry. Romney must win. After all, only a pink-o can save us from the reds. Like I say, I apologize.
Why would anyone think that the Republicans in the house or senate would impeach the first black president? No Republicans are even talking about whats going on in Libya or this administrations inept handling of it. No way in hell would they impeach him. They are too concerned about being called ‘racist’.
Impeached is a nice concept. He needs to be indicted for TREASON! Obama’s BETRAYAL is Worthy of Judas! To have the Military ready to save the Ambassador and refuse to act is a Betrayal of the people and of our sovereignty! President Judas should not be allowed to just go on as if nothing’s wrong. The Obama jihadi media, who colluded with him to lie to the American people need to be indicted, as well! This is a Betrayal that needs to be acted upon and the Establishment Republicans, have to show that they are not complicit in the Murders in Benghazi! Any attempts to sweep this under the rug, like they have done with Fast & Furious, are simply more signs, the Republicans deserve a jail cell next to the Murderer-in-chief!The American Hero Blood on the hands of President Judas & the Obama Jihadi media will show up on the hands of the Establishment Republicans, if they don’t do something to separate themselves from these Treasonous Bastards!
A New Link & ADDENDUM to:How to take on the Obama Jihadi media & Win: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw
God Bless America!
A good post; but please redesign your site so that the top half of each page is not made up of three ads (which makes it look as though your link is spam).
But if the administration was arming AQ as it is being suggested and the rest of the narrative is a cover-up, that is an impeachable offense.
If I were Obama, I wouldn’t worry about impeachment as much as assassination. What could the Secret Service do against a determined Special Ops team? Biden will be spared so he can pardon the assassins and be their puppet President. If he blurts out during a press conference that his shock collar is too tight, the media will assume it’s another Biden gaffe and ignore it.
Obama is going to lose. Stop writing electoral fear porn.
He will not be impeached because he’s Black. But if Romney is elected there should be an investigation that shows the treachery and cowardice of every one of the Obama players, including Hillary, Panetta, and Patraeus. Every one of them had, and has, a moral duty to come forward concerning the dereliction of duty of this President.We may not have the satisfaction of imprisonment and/or hanging but they will be publicly ruined as will any who associate with them.
I believe a measured but determined approach such as what you’re suggesting is what would play out under Romney; much less dramatic than impeachment, but far more devastating in its effect. It’s completely in character for R.
Just a few comments about impeachmet, etc.
If an office-holder is impeached then that office-holder is removed from office. Nothing else. Therefore, I suppose, it is not possible to impeach someone who no longer holds office. However, that person can be charged with, tried for and convicted of treason – and the Senate would not be the jury.
I do not have faith that there would be enough representatives of either party combined to even approve articles of impeachment on the floor of the House. With Reid as majority leader in the senate – forget about it. I would love to be wrong, but that is how I see it. Hopefully Romney will win and impeachment will not be necessary.
If Benghazi is not grounds for removal from office and prosecution, what is? I have no faith left in our government as currently constituted. If Romney wins, he should immediately begin a campaign of impeachment simply because it is the right thing to do. I’m not holding my breath.
When the facts are fully exposed to the American people, and it is proven that this president left those poor bastards hanging out to dry, we will see how many true AMERICANS we have left in this country. If a citizen still supports this mooslim-marxist menace after Benghazi, then they are no more an American than Obama is. We will see how many put skin color and/or ideology above the best interests of America.
Having said that, I still do not believe we have enough representatives with enough honor and courage of conviction to do the right thing. I know that we have a few, and they should be justifiably celebrated, but it will not be enough to proceed with articles of impeachment.
and who do we get if he is impeached? what a great alterative
Consider this possibility…
Obama doesn’t really want to be “President”, he just wants the perks of the office. He’ll now have most of them whether he is re-elected or not.
So this is how it plays out:
if Obama is re-elected, he comes forward and is “honorable” and assumes the responsibility, thereby ending any and all investigations. In so doing he resigns as President, but not in disgrace, as being honorable.
This makes Biden the President (shudder) and who does he pick as his Vice President? None other than Hillary Clinton.
At the end of this term (if not sooner for “health” reasons) Biden either steps down, or doesn’t run for re-election.
This makes Hillary the “incumbent” running in 2016 with still the possibility of two terms.
The Clinton’s know that Hillary will not stand a chance in 2016 if Romney is elected and turns the economy around which they know he will once he gets the government out of the way.
Secession will trump impeachment.
Of course, he should be impeached. But if he can’t also be convicted by the Senate, to what end?
Bill Clinton was impeached. A lot of good that did for the country.
I think the biggest scandal is the failure of the MSM to cover this story. So many people still have no clue about the dimensions of it. The failure of most media to cover the story (actually stories) of what happened in Benghazi must be an editorial decision, because I can’t believe there are no up-and-coming news reporters chomping at the bit to cover this story. Even in the MSM. This is a HUGE story. Their bosses must have forbidden them to do it. Gives the NYT’s motto “All the news that’s fit to print” a chilling meaning.
“I think the biggest scandal is the failure of the MSM to cover this story.”
Agreed.
Forget impeachment. Can you imagine Congress holding hearings on why Benghazi, Fast & Furious, Journolist, etc was not adequately covered by our Free Press?
But it is a FREE PRESS; Free of common sense, responsibility, ethics, prudence.
A Free Press means it’s free to be corrupt as it wants
If Obama is re-elected then the United States WILL have a “Greece moment” sometime within his second term due to endless spending and money printing (QE3).
Being long lead, silver and gold is a great way to monetise economic collapse due to the US dollar detonating.
Provided it is not confiscated first to fund free birth control for Sandra Fluke.
Change indeed…
Obama is a jihadist and, while he is guilty of the murder of over 30,000 Syrian women and children and around 200,000 since he illegally stole the presidency, he will never overtly order the kill of Muslims. He made sure that someone other than himself gave the order to kill Osama Bin Laden.
Obama is a lying coward.
He cannot be impeached – and, indeed SHOULD NOT be – because he is the illegal president – a usurper because he can never be a “natural born citizen” because his father was a Brit at Obama’s birth, which forever makes him ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.
An impeachment would give legal status to his presidency.
Anyone thought that maybe he was pushing all of our buttons so that he WOULD be impeached and therefore rendered the legal president? As it is, he will be declared a usurper and his name erased from history books, as is ordered by the constitution.
He isn’t worthy to be whizzed on by any American.
in order to get to the bottom of benghazigate, we need another judge sirica.
Just fired off an email to the NYTimes Ethicist, Chuck Klosterman. The subject of the email is:
An Ethicist for our Times
Hey Chuck,
Loved your advice re embezzled reputations: “Trying to cover something up, rather than exposing it voluntarily, could well destroy your institution from within.”
Here’s hoping your sage words make it to Barack Obama regarding Benghazi. And maybe you could put in a good word or two with the NYTimes itself that it too should start investigating and reporting the nationally-important matter of what happened in Benghazi and when did the president know it on the front page, instead of trying to to hide it on page A-16, etc.
I mean, you’re the ethicist, right?
Sincerely,
Irene
NYC
P.S. News outlets other than the NYTimes are reporting today that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, our brave Seal force in Benghazi (all two of them) managed to kill 60 jihadists (or does the NYTimes style book refer to them as “freedom fighters”?).
Snork: I believe jarrett runs the country while 0 fiddles! They have no idea about the American soldier who believes in leaving no brother behind. If this doesn’t tell us that 0 was not raised as an American/believes completely differently than the rest of us, nothing will. I’m sure jarrett said, “but what if it goes wrong. You can’t risk it just before an election!”
This story about how 0 got osama, is a joke. Jarrett said he couldn’t do it and was finally goaded into it because they were going in, after being waved off 3 times. Then he gave the name of the Dr away who helped us, and now he is in jail 4 how long? Gee too bad, just collateral damage.
If 0 didn’t care about the Amb who he appointed and knew, and he sure didn’t care abut the other 3 American patriots why would we think he gives a darn about us?
91. We need a new president, and we need to neutralize dingy, dirty hairy reid. The only way to do that is to elect a majority Republican senate.
If Nevada goes for obama, I will never spend a dime in that state again. I’ll make sure as I drive through, I have enough gas to not even stop for that. No hotels, no meals, no nothing!
Isn’t that what obama advised everyone to do?
So stick it Nevada, the president was the cause of your decline and your unemployment so vote him OUT!
The four Americans killed in Benghazi were truly good men, brave, patriotic, devoted to their countrymen. The people responsible for not rescuing them are evil. I believe this with all my heart. Our country is divided along these lines. I hope we are in the majority and this country survives.
In a nutshell!
What a morbid farce.If you want to know the truth,just ask the Chinese,the Russians etc etc they know.They also know where Obama was born and about his university records.
It’s a good thing that Obama wasn’t our President when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.
He would have told the sailors being attacked to stand down and he would have apologized to Japan for not having our aircraft carriers there for them to sink.
Impeach the entire government why stop at Obama? Return all powers to the states except the military. We really have nothing to lose, we will be just another empire blip on the map of history in a few years anyway.
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Nixon lied no one died…. he was impeached.
Obama lied at least 4 people died ……. he should be impeached and Biden with him.
I can’t get the images of Navy Seals Woods and Doherty on the annex roof out of my mind, waiting for the gun ship, or fighter-bomber, or Blackhawk filled with Delta Force that never came. Seven hours and help only two hours away. As Woods and Doherty and the others waited, in vain, what was Obama doing? What was he thinking? Were the Americans under attack in Benghazi his primary concern? They would have been for you and me.
And what about the VP and Defense and State and CIA? And how about the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Was nobody demanding that help be sent post haste to save our brave men?
Panetta says he couldn’t commit forces when the situation was unclear??? Video and voice communications were clear. Air support should have been overhead long before the mortar fire killed Woods and Doherty. This administration and the silent leaders at DOD, CIA, State, including the regional commanders, make me sick to my stomach.
A once proud Inf. Vet.
I see a screenplay.
If Obama is not elected, 1000 buildings in America or more will likely burn. If
he is impeached by GOP Senate after being elected, but losing BOTH HOUSES 20,000 buildings are likely to burn, and hundreds killed in the rioting. If he is impeached and did not win the Electoral College, a dozen or two major cities are likely to be burned and several thousand killed, and martial law imposed for at least a year. Greater India had such a condition when they were about the same population size in 1947. The greater India region was sorted out into the two Pakistans and the Indian Republic. We might consider breaking up the USA into two semi-related Republics. A Socialist one, and a moderate capitalist one, as homeland for the people who tend to support Christian & observant Jewish beliefs, as well as secular farmers and the secular small business community. The leftist state would be allow to nationalize everything,
just like Lenin and Stalin did, except a constitution based on the present one
would be in place with a few socialist changes in the ” Democratic People’s America” , and a few border control, changes that would lockout immigrant people who believe in the right to kill other people in Jihad or other intolerance, in the Constitutional Capitalist Republic, which would only have
socialism to provide for the elderly or seriously ill with simple free housing
food, and medical care. People of all races could choose the system they favor,
but only two basic systems would be constituted in the two Americas. Once you choose, it would be rather difficult to break-into the other geographical territory. Sad as hell, but this is the likely thing to happen in the coming
50 to 100 years! I don’t advocate these changes, but I fear they a close to our eventual fate as a POLARIZED NATION!
IMHO, all the tripe about Benghazi is just smoke screen diversion by the National Republican Party and the Faux News scramblers. It appeals to the ‘low information’ types who are easily diverted from the major issues: besides the economy, the anti- side of the GOP: anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-veterans. If you find all the right wing crap appealing, maybe you are among the ‘low informaiton’ types (i.e. easily diverted).
Apparently Mr. Carlson’s choice of words “tripe” reflect’s the President and his Party’s view point that American Ambassadors and Navy Seals are just “tripe”. And that he has no problem having their blood on his hands, and that he too would have called off any attempts to protect Americans or American soil in harms way. Or that all this is just “bump on the road”… in Obama’s Road Kill Diplomacy. After all, wasnt MAO quoted that he was willing to see 1/2 of all China dead… as long as the Communist Revolution succeeded.
tripe indeed.
What a bunch of freaking crap! How can Repugs be so stupid?
The easiest provable impeachable offense is slandering a man over a video and then imprisoning him. That’s enough to remove the president from office.
I agree. Thank you for posting that. I will definitely come again to read more and recommend my people about it
Well Mr. Simon, we believe you have made it perfectly clear as to our
choices and of course impeachment is manditory, if Obama is re-elected.
But will the currently cowardly Congress be amenable to impeach?
We hope so.
In the meantime, as true Americans, we must never allow the crime and
treason that occurred on 9/11/12 to ever go unanswered or un-punished.
We all must keep up the pressure on this White House to be impeached
or voted out of office.
On Nov. 6th as voters, we must vote for the fate and destiny of this
once great nation. We must vote for the United States of America or
Barack Hussein Obama, but you cannot have both.
Good luck, America.
Congress should immediately pass a law granting protection to any knowlegable person (military or government employee) who writes to the CBO or any other non-partisan congressional office to explain what happened
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To: The Honorable Congress, Senators and Select Committee Members,
1. I find it Egregious as well as Unconscionable that they could, Arrest AFRICA/COM, Command General, Ham. And Relieve Him of Command, and No One can do the Same to Obama, Panetta, or Hillary for the Same Reason, that they Impeached Nixon of Malfeasances, and Misprisions and Derelictions of DUTY, and of their Sworn Oath of Office.
2. And, that they Have Justification Under the Constitution, for the Same act, as well as of TREASON.
3. Yes I Use that Word with all of the connotations, it entails!
4. And, There is No Other Recourse at this time for Congress other than Impeach, Indict and Prosecute them, for these Act’s as well as Fast and Furious And Holder along with them.
5. And that they, Have Committed, During this Whole Affair of/and Cover-Up of the Attack, that Killed Four Americans! And that Giving Comfort and Aid to our Sworn Enemies; Islamic Insurgents, And Criminals, and Drug Cartels who are, the Enemies of the United States, is TREASON! PERIOD
6. Now, Not “When The Election is Over” and, They think that They will be able to Ride out the Clock? Ally, Ally In Free?
7. I Hope the Congress and Senate that will be Dually Elected will think Differently and Hold Them Accountable for their Actions, And Inaction to DO THEIR DUTY under the Statutes and Laws of United States Constitution, the Congressional Investigation Regulations And the Duty of the Congress to Uphold the Constitution and Their, Sworn Oath and Duty for the Americans that Lost their lives in the Attack, The Families of those Victims’ have Justice.
8. Unlike Holder and Fast and Furious, this is The Time to Make Sure that Justice is Served COLD!
Senator Graham said and I Quote:
GRAHAM: Yes. I think there would be a lot of military members that be shocked to hear that. How many operations have we launched to help comrades in distress not knowing what the outcome would be but knowing that’s what we should do?
And here’s what the American people don’t realize. In June, our consulate was attacked, on June the 6th. They blew a hole in the wall that 40 people could go through. About a week later, the British ambassador’s convoy was attacked in Benghazi, Libya. Guess who came to their aid? Lieutenant Colonel Wood, an American military member, a member of the Utah National Guard, part of a security team, left the American consulate to come to the aid of the British ambassador and extracted wounded people out of the convoy while it was being attacked by al Qaeda.
I find it very odd that we can help the British — and I’m glad we did because they’re our best friends in the world. We were able to help them in June, but nobody could help our people on September the 11th? Don’t you find that a little odd that we could get to the British convoy in Benghazi, Libya, within 20 minutes of being attacked in June, but we couldn’t help them for over seven hours on September the 11th? I find that very disturbing.
GRAHAM: I think he’s — I think he’s trying to run out the clock. The question — how many — there were three requests for assistance. The president told us that he told his people to help those folks, provide assistance. Well, nobody went to their aid. Why not?
Was the president told of the April and June attacks on our consulate? Why did we leave our consulate open when the British and the Red Cross decided to leave Benghazi because it was too dangerous? How did it become a death trap? Why did we deny all the requests for security?
You don’t need an independent panel to address that. The president knows whether or not he was informed of the previous attacks in April and June. The president knows whether or not anybody tried to help after he ordered them to help these folks. And the president cannot possibly believe 10 days after this attack this was a riot based on a mob that never existed. They’re not answering my questions or anyone else’s questions because I believe they’re trying to run out the clock here.
9. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2012/10/31/graham-i-wish-pres-obama-would-have-given-libya-attention-when-it-mattered-it-became-deat#ixzz2Atdi4xrf
10. Unquote:
Please Know Well, That I for One, Do Realize the Consequences’ of their Actions and Hold This Administration ACCOUNTABLE!
IF Not Them, Then Every One of those Members of Congress and the Senate that Do Nothing about it or try to Whitewash this, or BACKDOOR this Out of the PUBLIC realm for American Citizens’ and Constituents’ that are Demanding Answers’ Right NOW! Will Also be known for their Responses on the House Floor and Voting Records over this Issue. Will Not Be Forgotten!
Kerry L. Marvin/USN/DAV/68-77. OATHKEEPER!
As a Marine gunship pilot in Vietnam, almost every time I launched to cover an emergency medivac or the extraction of Marines in close contact, the only intelligence I had was the radio frequency of those on the ground and a set of coordinates. We got our enemy situation brief on scene. The only order needed to send rescue aircraft and personnel to help those under fire at the CIA annex or at the Consulate should have come from the first local commander that had the necessary assets and knew of the attack. When you see a fire you don’t wait to be told to fight it, you just act. The SecDef just provided an excuse to justify his failure to act. I am embarrassed by the lack of action of our so called leaders. If they had any integrity, they would resign. We need to discipline those that failed to respond, even the President, before our military members lose faith in the tradition of “No one left behind.”
He should have been impeached as soon as we gained the majority back in the House. John Boehner has been a sad failure, & a disgrace as Speaker. Apparently NONE of them have the guts to do what’s necessary to protect the people of thie country. And, IF Obama is re-elected, I can guarantee that they won;t do a thing, unless we get the majority in the Senate, then they MIGHT do something. Although, I’m not betting on it!
Every single appointed czar, Obama, Biden, Hitlery and Willy, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Marxine Waters, Barbara Boxer, all of them……..MUST be tried for Treason, nothing less. They are all only praying they will get by with a little slap on the hand with impeachment. Harry Reid has put our country in harm’s way just by not passing a budget every year. Eric Holder should NOT even be allowed to step foot into our HOUSE, only jail. I wish them all a trip to the island of the prison Alcatraz, Pelosi’s stomping grounds. Claire McCaskill voted for the stimulus and $40 million of that stimulus was given to her husband. This new party (the Democrat party is dead) uses, abuses and robs hardworking American LEGAL CITIZEN taxpayers. I’ve had enough. If not for these people that have been in office WAY TO MANY YEARS, my husband and I could settle back and enjoy life, but as it is, as it is for millions of other small or large business owners, we can’t afford to hire anyone. The schools need to be sterilized of unions and those teachers who have no principals or morals. Many teachers are fine teachers but a large portion of them are not. Chicago union thugs are a good example of putting THEMSELVES before the children. The taxpayers have been consumed by these types of parasites and I’m sorry to say, THIS host is almost out of blood for these low-life soldiers of Satan. I knew Obama was a groomed communist/islamic ‘plant’ BEFORE he was NOMINATED. I am, if I do say so myself, a darn good judge of character and just looking at this person made my skin crawl. I foretold my theory to my ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE father and even HE didn’t think they could get that filthy. In my opinion, WE THE PEOPLE MUST ABSOLUTELY SEE TO IT that all of these people get tried for treason and punishment swift. Obama had it in for the NAVY SEALS anyway. I know he let those sick murderous islamists know where our NAVY SEAL helicopter was so they could kill them. Hell, does ANYONE put ANYTHING past these thugs? Eric Holder had his filthy, murderous hands involved in WACO, the OKC bombing and Ruby Ridge while he was serving as Assistant AG in the Clinton adm. Hitlery should be in prison anyway. They made the witnesses disappear or as for Vince Foster, they met their early demise. I’ll also go as far as to say Andrew Breitbart was silenced too. The House of Reps have the duty to impeach but they fell silent. I’m not sure if it’s because Reid wouldn’t let it get voted on or if they are all involved. As President Reagan said, THIS IS THE LAST BEST PLACE ON EARTH and anyone who is involved with taking us to our knees MUST PAY. And if the punishment for treason is hanging, it should be broadcast on LIVE NATIONAL TV unless those in the media will be next. Speaking of the media outlets, and the so-called ‘journalists’ they must be a pretty sick bunch of people, especially those with children and grandchildren. They had better get the WWII history books out or read Auschwitz, because I knew that if this usurping narcissist was elected, the road lead by Hitler to the Holocaust would be our future too. And I was right. Hitler was first leader in modern history to BAN smoking. Now I know it’s not good for you. I smoke. I enjoy it. I’m not going to quit. But several years ago when the secondhand smoke studies from the marxist universities came out, it was the test for the communists to see if they could get by with it. So LEGALIZED EXTORTION on tobacco began. When they started taxing $1 per pack (for healthcare for children) Bullshyt …. they kept taxing it. Until they banned smoking inside buildings, and now it’s banned OUTSIDE in the air GOD GAVE EVERYONE TO USE. And what did they do with the $millions in taxes? No healthcare for children? They use extortion. My dad and I said, that their ban and taxing of tobacco probably made millions of nonsmokers thrilled. But we also said, when your fellow citizens won’t stand up and fight against their extortion tactics when it comes to smoking, the marxists will start in on everyone’s favorite foods and drinks. Well, see what’s happened? Their tobacco tax and ban tactic worked. In Iowa, a woman in the Iowa legislature, yes, a progressive helium head PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED for smoking bans in ALL businesses and restaurants. To hell with individuals who owned their own businesses and paid the income tax, state tax, property tax. 100′s of bars and restaurants had to close down because secondhand smoke KILLS. But the marxist universities’ studies on secondhand smoke in STATE RUN CASINOS must have had a different outcome. Go to any casino in Iowa and they have 100′s of ashtrays from one end of the building to the other. So, as far as I’m concerned, that’s fascism. The legislature was afraid they would lose too much money if they banned smoking in their casinos, private business owners BE DAMNED. It’s crap. It’s all Bullshyt. I and my two brothers grew up with two parents who smoked. We are still here. When I had my babies in 1979 and 1989, I smoked in my house. When I was in labor in 1979 for 38 hours with my first baby, the hospital INSISTED that I should smoke while I was in labor. My two daughters are healthy and were born just fine. They had no problems with asthma or chronic bronchitis or allergies or never had to have tubes put into their ears. One brother had a boy and a girl, one brother had two boys. Never ever around smoke or any other kind of ‘pollution or germs’ and those four kids were sick, in the hospital every other month. They all had to have tubes in their ears because they had chronic ear infections and lung infections. Again, smoking isn’t good for you, but the smokers have been discriminated against and treated as 3rd class citizens for years. But even though I have the habit, I am one of the most red-blooded conservative, lover of this country, as you’ll find. I’ve taught my girls they had to WORK for a living, not sign up for welfare. I grew up on a farm and we worked our butts off, walking beanfields, livestock chores, cleaning hog pens with pitchforks (which reminds me, is it yet time for us to head to D.C. with our pitchforks yet)?
Of course he can and should be impeached if he is lucky enough to be re-elected. The reasons are simple.
1) He was told that US Government employees were at risk of losing their lives and did nothing to help. He was told this often. He was told this many weeks before it happened. He could have closed the consulate. He could have asked them all to get on a plane. It is absurd to say that Bush jnr received the same quality warnings.
2) When the attack was in progress he refused to help, even though an attempt to help could have made a big difference. There was a high chance of success. Even if it did not succeed it would have deterred Al Queda in the future. Of course action would have been better than passivity.
3) The blaming of a video was an attack on the 1st Amendment. So after assisting the enemy by passive aggression he then assists the enemy by actively attacking the Constitution. His oath of office requires him to defend the Constitution. He attacked it!
4) The work of the Consulate was to buy weapons in Libya and send them to Syria where Al Queda would use them.
Those four decisions are at least high misdemeanors. They are treason by action or inaction. He helped the enemies of the USA. His motivation is not the first issue. Incompetence is impeacheable.
Is it politically wise to impeach him? Yes, just as he should have taken military action during the attack. Even if the legal action/military action does not succeed at least it shows resolve and is a warning. To defend what is precious you need to take action.
The bottom line is this: Do we love each other? Love has two opposites, hot hate and a cold heart. Should we allow a cold hearted, incompetent POTUS to assist the haters in Al Queda when they want to kill us? Or should we say thhat we love each other enough to help each other from attack by Al Queda? If we love each other we do not lie to each other. We try to help each other. If we have cold hearts then we can let Obama get away with it. If we love each other we impeach.
We have had enough pieces of the Benghazi puzzle to conclude incompetence as Commander & Chief. I suspect it was more of a political decision than a indecisive decision. This would certainly qualify for Impeachment along with his Libya Intervention without Congressional approval. Befriending known Terrorists,
Inviting Terrorists to the White House and willfully providing gun and missiles to Al Qaeda rebels in Syria which is why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on 9/11.
Yes, of course he should be impeached. Now if I may, lets talk tyranny. I believe our nation needs an 8th grade history lesson as well. Lets all just review our Declaration of Independence. It was written in simple language, thus it is taught to our 8th graders across our country. Now if you simply read through what our founding fathers stated as “a long train of abuses and usurpations” it is our right, it is OUR DUTY to throw off such Government and to provide new Guards to our future security. Obamacare (er, taxation without represntation???), the Obama Administration, Yemen, Afganistan, GTMO, Iraq, homeland security fraud, DRONE STRIKES and the NDAA ARE ALL acts commited by our commander in chief “whose character is thus marked by every act which my define a Tyrant, unfit to be ruler of a free people”.
~THE TASK OF THE TYRANT IS NOT TO COMPEL, BUT TO PERSUADE EVEN THE UNWILLING THAT COMPLIANCE BETTER SERVES THEIR INTEREST THAN RESISTANCE ~ Orson Scott Card, Ender In Exile
Now, if that isn’t every speach we hear from President Obama, I don’t know what is….don’t dig me because I’m a sci-fi geek. I’m also a stay-at-home mom of 3 who has been both Democrat and Republican. I’m so sick of politicians I could scream. I just want people to stop lying. Lets start with that.
So then Bush should be held culpable for War Crimes and the deaths of how many US servicemen?
I absolutely agree. Bush should have been and still can be held accountable and Obama needs to be impeached over this, or we are saying that there are exceptions to the law, and I am sure you aren’t saying that President Obama shouldn’t be held accountable because somebody else got away with it. These are all impeachable crimes.
Here’s something to consider: The fact that someone else is a criminal doesn’t ever justify another’s crime, and I don’t know why so many people actually think that makes it right. You will notice it never holds water in court to say, “But you aren’t asking Bozo…., Bozo did it too….” And respectfully, in a way, you have aligned Obama with Bush as far as criminality…Was that your intention?
Well said Suze!!
Man what a bunch of fools , sure you don’t like Obama so make up something and then lie some more . Hold the President responsible for terrorist attacks . You’re probably a white old man whose scared America isn’t what it was in the ’50s . Sure the white male is losing clout as it should . We’re not as educated as we were for one and in another 30 years we’ll be in the minority . Why don’t you just apcept the fact Obama won and work with him instead of the oppisite , to not do so is to see the US fall further .