Will the Democratic Party Destroy Us All?
I don’t buy the Cloward-Piven argument. Sure, there are some who would like to bring this country down economically so they can rebuild it as some sclerotic socialist utopia replete with Young Pioneer camps and pompous people’s art in the subways (and no food in the stores), but most are not even imaginative enough for that.
I think there are three things at work — habit, fear of change, and pure, unbridled, screw-the-rest-of-us, self-interest. And the ones who focus on the latter — the powerful and self-interested – rely on the habit and the fear of change on the part of the others — plus a soupçon of patronage — to hold the whole tawdry ball of wax together.
Of course this patronage system is deteriorating rapidly. It cannot continue in its present manner without bringing on that economic Samson Option.
So the Democrats are at a crossroads. Will they face reality?
I sincerely doubt it. Not with ultra-conventional Obama in the White House. This is not a man who takes risks. This is not a man who has demonstrated the slightest interest in genuine change other than the rhetorical kind. And big change — giant change — we need.
Michele Bachmann was entirely correct when she excoriated him for failing blacks and Hispanics. But that’s the tip of the proverbial ice berg. His party has failed, more importantly exploited, those minorities for years, decades really. The proof is in their execrable results.
Now they are going after the rest of us. And the sad thing is they may succeed. Because it’s going to take all of America to pull us back again, to get us back to work and revive our spirit. And the Democratic Party is doing the opposite.
“Will the Democratic Party Destroy Us All?”
Not if we destroy it before it can destroy us.
“I used to be a Democrat — for decades. Was it always this bad? Was I that blind?”
Yup.
And just how do you propose to “destroy it before it can destroy us”? The complete ignorance of how the real world works and the lack of any kind of initiative to seek truth is what will destroy us.
The American people have become fat, lazy and complacent. Most just want to be left alone, or, worse yet, continue to watch and believe the mainstream media instead of looking at alternative viewpoints.
My answer to your proposal to destroy it before it destroys us is simple, but alas, it will take more organization and guts than most conservatives possess to actuality carry it off.
That’s the point. I AM fat, lazy, and complacent, and I DO want to be left alone – by Democrats, do-gooders, leftists, social activists, and people in general who insist that I be Passionately Involved, Work for Change, and Make the World a Better Place for the Greater Good. Look, if that’s their thing then more power to them. Some people need a higher cause. But most people are content to just live their lives, reproduce, and die. Is that selfish? Is that bourgeois? Too effin’ bad.
I have to agree with you. Those who want to be left alone are also the least likely to exert the effort to defend themselves. I spent years as a member of the California Medical Association’s Commission on Legislation. We would meet in Sacramento every few weeks during the legislative session and consider every bill that had any conceivable effect on medical practice in the state. The medical association was almost 100% defensive the whole time that I served on the commission. We didn’t want anything from the state except to be left alone.
Others will doubt that, assuming the medical profession was another rent seeking special interest. In fact, the lineup against us was a “who’s who” of rent seekers willing to pay for the right to a piece of the action. The meantime, the association membership busied themselves with various “do-gooder” causes, most of which were neutral with respect to the profession and merely drained resources that might have been better used, but some were self destructive. Little by little the profession lost its freedom, just as the general public is losing its. It took years but this is how democracies fail. The grass is always greener one the other person’s piece of land. Defending one’s right to be left alone is always harder and is often put off too long.
California’s common citizens, unlike any other States, has a long history of ‘formal’ political activism for legislative initatives. With each citizen initative was born a new special interest lobbying group. Eventually, other States and in fact, the nation, was following the lead of California’s citizen and new lobbying groups efforts. California and the other ‘cancer-center’ cities of the nation gave birth to the one-size-fits-all philosophy that now has become a real cancer in America. Americans as a collective and asleep…or not, have followed along. Now, comes the consequences!
Too effen bad for you, because those Passionate World Changers are going to come tromping right through the middle of your fat lazy life and it will be TOO LATE!
In the words of Ronald Reagan – I didn’t leave the Democratic party, it left me.
The left has taken over the Democratic party. The committee chairmen run Congress, particularly the House. If you look at the Democratic leadership of the last Congress you will find almost all of the important committees were chaired by people from extremely safe seats, all liberal enclaves. They acquired the seniority necessary to climb the ladder. They also garnered huge campaign chests which, not being needed, were distributed to other members to buy fealty.
The solution is the coming landslide. If the Democrats are sent into the wilderness for 40 years the old pols will die off. They realize that. Tht is why they risked it all to institutionalize their agenda.
“The solution is the coming landslide. If the Democrats are sent into the wilderness for 40 years the old pols will die off. They realize that. Tht is why they risked it all to institutionalize their agenda.”
Do you really think the left will just go away if we win the WH and Senate? Geez, wake up. Wisconsin, Indiana, SCOTUS, SEIU, ACORN, etc, etc. The left is on a jihad to destroy the US. And we need to meet them with violence. Yep I said it.
Instead of only thinking about ’12 we need to think about what to do with the left beyond ’12. They will never give up trying to destroy the US. Therefore, the only way to defeat them and protect America is to have another civil war.
Sure go ahead and dismiss me as a nutcake. Big deal. To NOT realize what the left is and what their intentions are is to underestimate them. Winning elections to them is only part of the equation; it merely helps them promote their ideology. But they aim to subvert society. They must be vanquished and not only defeated at the ballot box.
It OK Blotto. It may come to that. We have 35% of all the small arms in the world (including all standing armies). 4 million NRA member, most of them conservative. If the left goes for our guns they will lose and they know it, not that it will stop them from taking us all down.
I would like to think that before it comes down to a civil war a large group of states will secede and form a new nation and let the leftist scum do what they want and we invite the conservatives in those states to come join us.
Don’t know where the armed forces stand, but I would like to think that they will be with us on the right. Hope so. Hope I don’t see it, but it ain’t looking good.
blotto,
Let them jump up and down and scream until they’re blue in the face. They won’t be able to advance their agenda by force of law. Pre WWII the Nazis in the US had a very, very large following. They filled large venues with thousands of supporters.
Remember, all the gold in Christendom couldn’t sell the Edsel.
Roy
“I used to be a Democrat — for decades. Was it always this bad?”
No, I don’t think so: if that were the case, Jonah Goldberg would have devoted a couple of chapters of Liberal Fascism to the period between the start of ww2 and the assassination of JFK, which he did not.
“Was I that blind?”
Without internet, we all were short-sighted at least.
“By the way, if you taxed the rich at a hundred percent, it would only push back our bankruptcy from entitlement programs a year, possibly two.”
It’s worse than that: “the rich” would do what the European rich did when and where top marginal tax rates were over 90%: they would not get any taxable income in the top bracket.
The lesson I take from the Laffer curve is this: tax cuts always result in a loss of tax revenue smaller than expected; tax increases always result in an increase of tax revenue smaller than expected, and possibly a decrease.
These are peripheral points but perhaps they are worth making.
Roger
You are in major denial when it comes to this issue. The lefties are in charge now not your mothers sissy democratic party of yester year. These apes are out to bring down capitalism. The main problem is that these same jerks are in charge of education. Hence most young people are clueless about what makes this country great and the real golden goose of the unleashed American Free Enterprise Capitalist economy. It is cool to be a commie. Even Bill Gates and Warren Buffet who you would think might celebrate the virtues of the system that showered them with untold wealth are a bunch of aging hippy liberals specializing in hand outs rather than teaching the next generation how to create jobs.
This new breed of lefty is extremely deadly to us and the only way out is to defeat them at the polls and rip out their health care plan by the roots.
What if the pols don’t work? Half the country seems to think like them!
“What if the pols don’t work?” Then they need to starve.
“Half the country seems to think like them!” Then maybe they need to starve too.
No one came to help in my hour of need. I’m tired of supporting TWANLOCs.
‘Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen’ need to realize that these policies are what’s going to kill us all. A parasite feeds on a host until the host dies or the parasite does.
I don’t think that Roger Simon is in denial at all, but rather contemplating the looming financial crisis and appropriately apprehensive. In reading the first few comments, I see a polarization that worries me. It would be helpful to consider how left and right perceive each other, and not to feed into stereotypes of “the Right.” I tried to do that here: http://clarespark.com/2009/12/16/perceptions-of-the-enemy-the-left-looks-at-the-right-and-vice-versa/. The Republican Party needs a sane, scientifically unimpeachable environmental program to shut up the Democratic and Leftists who will pull out all the stops to make us believe that an environmental apocalypse is at hand. That is all they have to scare us into another Obama administration.
The polarization you decry is the only thing we have going for us. There are no realities or programs except the final reality that will make the Bolsheviks shut up. We do not need to contemplate how they think or why they think it. We need to make their voices irrelevant to policy. We need to hound them from decent society ideally people would point at them and hiss commie as they scurry back to their spot under an overpass. This notion that they can be dealt with rather than defeated is dangerous.The left is an existential to humanity. Their goal is for my grand children to be reduced to using bits of broken bathroom porcelain to scraping hides for clothing. If the econuts have their way they will be human hides.
A “sane, sensible environmentalist program” would get us exactly nowhere. Have you heard the term “watermelon”? Green on the outside, red on the inside? We have the cleanest air, the cleanest water, the lowest risk of infectious diseases, the best results in treating cancer, etc, etc. What does it get us ?
The environmental left used to be the anti-war left, the anti-nuclear left, the Ban-the-Bomb left, etc., etc. Environmentalism was started by people like Ira Einhorn who strangled his girlfriend when she threatened to leave him, left her body in the closet and jumped bail when arrested. He spent 17 years in France evading extradition. His bail was arranged by his lawyer and good friend Senator Arlen Specter.
That’s where environmentalism comes from. He was a founder of the movement back in the 70s. The entitled rich who ignore the rules they want to impose on us.
“That’s where environmentalism comes from. He was a founder of the movement back in the 70s. The entitled rich who ignore the rules they want to impose on us.”
Might interest you as well Mike.
Founder Explains Why He Left Greenpeace
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-founder-explains-why-he-left-greenpeace
“But after six years as one of five directors of Greenpeace International, I observed that none of my fellow directors had any formal science education. They were either political activists or environmental entrepreneurs. Ultimately, a trend toward abandoning scientific objectivity in favor of political agendas forced me to leave Greenpeace in 1986.”
I agree with your more robust take of the situation. I too was a lefty until I grew up. But these Democrat lefties are hard core socialists – at least one was even a member of the Socialist Internationale … probably still is. Another recommends the philosophy of Mao to school kids.
These socialists hate American Capitalism and ARE out to destroy it.
The answer, Roger, my friend…is yes.
Even in your essay, which openly pleads for sanity…refuses to recognize what is there to be plainly seen. Your eyes take in reality, but your mind will not let you process the information. It is too horrible to contemplate.
We are at war. Unfortunately, we don’t wish to be at war and only one side is truly fighting. The other side…us…we are digging trenches. And, if that is all we ever do, those trenches will soon resemble tombs. Gravesites for a once great and powerful nation.
Most people refuse to accept the new reality. They are misinformed and hesitant to adapt to their new surroundings. The Democratic Party has been and is…intent on tearing down the free market construct, the Judeo-Christian heritage and the Constitutional framework of this land of ours.
Agree or disagree with the direction and trajectory that this country has been since its founding, it is being pushed into a new and very different orbit. The leftists who want us to spin completely out of our free market, Judeo-Christian, Constitutional orbit now are impatient with, frustrated with, and angry at Obama. Obama shares their revolutionary goals, but not their time frame. He wants to infuse the concepts much more slowly, let them seep into the pores of our society, hidden, clandestine and disguised as something else.
You say you don’t believe the Cloward-Piven strategy is at the heart of leftism. You are partially right. And…dead wrong.
The internal “fight” between and among leftists is not what the “end game” should be for tomorrow as much as it is about how “in your face” it should be today.
Rampant, unchecked leftism is the death star for free market, Judeo-Christian, Constitutional government. It has waged war on it for more than forty years.
It does so through distortion, slander, lies and deceit. It owns the outlets for mass communication. The loss of the total control (due to Fox News, the Internet, and sites such as this) enrages the left and unleashes a fury in that war.
The Democratic Party has been swallowed whole by the raging war machine of leftism. Liberals are dead and gone. Progressives, if they ever existed, are now merely a disguise….a mask that leftists wear when they want to soothe the masses and infuse yet another diseased virus into the free market system.
The hatred of Christians and Jews is open and notorious now. The naked attack on the Bible in general, its followers in specific and on Israel as a lightning rod, is there to be seen…but not easily understood or interpreted.
Doesn’t it seem odd that leftists and radical Islam would be bedfellows? The stated goals, belief systems, and motives would seem antithetical to each other. But not if core motivations are clearly understood. Muslim Marxism is a double dose of the whipsaw effect on free market, Judeo-Christian, Constitutionalism.
The Democratic Party is more aligned with the enemies of this land of ours at their core, than they are with those who wish to preserve it. That statement is harsh and jarring. It is difficult to swallow. That is because you see the Democratic Party through the eyes of someone who knew it when it was something else than what it is today. That entity is gone. It does not exist. It has been devoured. There are no “liberals” leading its trajectory or orbit.
There is no truth in its atmosphere. It’s a disguise. A mask. A deceit.
I love and have loved liberals all of my life. They are mostly gone from the landscape. The cult that replaced them, uses their goodness as a shell. To sell the racial, class, and gender warfare they have launched on this society.
This leftist cult dominates and seeks no petition for peace. No understanding. No compromise.
This is not your daddy’s or my daddy’s Democratic Party. No matter how their propaganda machine softens and soothes…it has been swallowed whole. And every collapsing leftist domino in Europe, Asia and the Third World…won’t stop this runaway train wreck from happening here.
Only we, the people, of this land of ours can do that. I fear that will not happen as we slumber under the hypnosis of the great fraud of our mass news outlets, Hollywood and academia. We will have been sleeping through our own demise. And, too brainwashed, cowardly, and hesitant to save ourselves…and the world…from the greatest evil known to mankind. Leftism…in the war we refused to see.
Good response to a good article. I only need to look at gov. web pages to comprehend the degree of subversion in this country. What does this remind you of?
http://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth/partnership/
And that’s just one example of many. At face value, an idealistic directive to shape our future. But based on trajectory, I think its potential is far more sinister.
Good Lord! The Founding Fathers must be whirling in their graves!
Bear
Take a look at what Ed Driscoll picks up today…and don’t stop at just reading the article, click on the links Ed provides.
The attack on 1)free market structure, 2)Judeo-Christian belief systems and
3)Constitutionalism ….is clearly on display. The hatred of “capitalism” (a code word for the three underpinnings above the bedrock foundation of this land of ours) is alive and well at NPR, in radical Islam and in the ethical slums of Europe.
http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/
The War we are engaged in is not primarily one of physical dimensions. It’s effects are felt in the physical world, but it is spiritual in nature. The evil people of this world (truly evil) are being led by their invisible Leader, Satan, to destroy Christianity and by extension Judaism (which made the world aware of the One True and Living God, and His Messiah) and freedom, which is what Christianity brings to the inner man. The evil Magog will continue to follow Gog-Satan. This economic collapse, if it comes, will be blamed on Christianity and conservatives because we adhere to principles which they do not. They think they’re God. We know it isn’t so.
You’ve nailed it. And this is the real reason why the atheist, socialist left and Islam are fighting side by side. Even they do not understand their own motivations. They are united by their lord Satan. He has given each group the lie of their own choosing to believe so that through them both he can wage his war against the Jews and against Christianity. The United states has harbored and protected both for its entire existence – so far – so that it, too, must be brought down, or else made into something else entirely, which comes to the same thing.
Should that be “ethnic slums of Europe”?
There may be no one who can bail us out, but there are enough to buy us out, and more than enough in power to sell us out.
The Democratic Party reminds me of the British just prior to World War I. With all of Europe at the edge of war, the British never really thought it would actually happen. And if it did, they thought it would be over in a “matter of days, not weeks” (now where have I heard that one before). And, of course, we all know what happened after that. It was a disaster.
Gone are the John Kennedy Democrats that actually made some sense. John Kennedy probably couldn’t even get the nomination of his own party today because he would be considered too “conservative” by today’s standards in the Democratic Party. Nope, for today’s Democrat, the Federal Government, along with all those pathetic state governments who cater to them, is nothing but a giant welfare check. An endless stream of cash that can fund just about anything for anyone. And it will never run out of cash because you can either raise taxes or go after those nasty “rich” people, as all good socialists and communists do.
Well they’re wrong. Greece is great evidence of that. For the past 40 years or so, the Democrats have fed generations of Americans the lie that the Federal Government is the answer to all of their problems. It can solve anything with more money and more government intervention or regulations. And how is that working for our diminishing oil industry? Here we are at 9.1% unemployment, and the Federal Government is actually KILLING jobs in the hard-hit Gulf of Mexico and off our shores simply because it doesn’t “like” oil drilling. Tell that to the families that rely on those jobs. The Democrats would rather see these people on unemployment or welfare rather than allow them to work on an oil rig ANYWHERE. And for that alone they should be despised. Because to NOT allow people to work just so they can swell the ranks of those people who have to rely on government for their living IS a crime and it’s a hateful way to force an American, any American, to live.
But we CAN fight back. 2012 is coming and we CAN throw that man/boy socialist out of office. We may be down, but we’re certainly NOT out. We’ve faced tough economic times before, like under the Carter administration. Then came Ronald Reagan and we were literally saved. It CAN happen again. Do NOT let the sadness of the last three years diminish your spirits to the point where you give up all hope. People may hate and loath Washington for all it stands for, but it’s the only form of Government we have. So let’s use it to get us what we need, a true conservative in both the White House and a takeover of the Senate.
We can do it. Giving up is NOT an option because the stakes are too high. I certainly am not about to quit. Not just for me, but for my family, too. Nobody said Democracy is easy, but it still IS the best form of government on this planet. So let’s get back to work and fix the darn thing. After all, it’s all we have.
A very uplifting and motivating post. Thanks.
Allow me to remind you that Reagan was followed by a Bush that undid the Reagan legacy as much as he could. Then came his son and got us further in debt while growing bigger monstrous bureaucracies so we can have our genitals touched at the airport while Muslim women advanced through the line unchecked.
The Democrats stink but the RINO’s are the ones that perpetrate the worse kind of treason.
Rino’s just let it happen. HW Bush caved in to George Mitchell who was convinced that taxes had to grow up (despite all evidence to the contrary). W just signed everything put in front of him.
Rinos just want to look reasonable and get along. They are the useful idiots of the GOP. I still blame the Democrats for leading them astray. I also blame the GOP leadership for not getting it. Crony capitalism and Dem lite isn’t a winning formula.
I agree. We need to stop the bleeding not slow it to an agonizing bleed-out.
George Mitchell, as Senate Majority Leader when Bush I was president, filibustered a 1992 capital gains tax cut that would have aborted the impending recession and saved Bush’s second term. Mitchell knew what he was doing; Bush didn’t.
RINO’s are the former Democrats. The Tyrants have taken over the Democratic party, and the Dems have taken over the Republican Party. Now we have this warfare within the Repub ranks, a pushback against the Dem invaders. The Republican Party has a bad name, because Dem invaders give it a bad name. The reform of America begins with the reform of the Republican Party… or the end of it.
Let’s not wax too eloquent about John F. Kennedy. He’s the one who with a stroke of the pen gave us public-sector unions; and I’m sure you know the rest of the story.
Have you seen a college Sociology text book lately? There is no other side of the coin, it is all about the greatness of socialism and communism. No mention of how damaging they can be. Required to graduate.
We are all missing the picture: All the “democrats” that are fueling this world wide change are in it for one reason: $ and power to get more $. I guess that is 2 reasons.
As we have seen,”we the people” can vote and oust the bums, however lately we have seen the new bums don’t have a spine to stop this hostile takeover. $ and power await them.
Secession is the answer. Let the Leftists have their own country so they can become the totalitarian prison they so desire. I’m tired of fighting them anyway and I don’t want to spend the rest of my life doing so. We’ll need to build high walls to keep them out of our country though lest thet try to spread their poison. It’s obvious that The differences between Left and Righr are irreconcilable so let’s split.
We are the producers – they’ll never let us go without a fight. They would rather see us dead than free of them.
“It’s obvious that The differences between Left and Righr are irreconcilable so let’s split.”
If it comes to that, I prefer kill them until they quit or are dead.
Good luck with that, buddy. We’re a lot younger and hungrier than you, and most of you are on your last legs.
Younger? Hungrier? Perhaps. Also horribly, tragically foolish.
And so, Truth Time, you agree that you are trying to destroy the country? Again, tragically foolish. You think your ‘leaders’ will allow you to flourish once their plans –with your cooperation –are enacted? If you do think so, you are even more foolish than you sound in your post.
Dear Truth Time,
If that is a threat of violence, Komrade, it is a remarkably stupid one. Lefty hasn’t got a chance in a confrontation. I urgently advise you to learn how wrong you really are via thought. Think it out if you can; do not opt for bitter and ruinous experience.
Those of us who once thought of ourselves as Democrats—like me—do not now for a millisecond understand contemporary Democrats, particularly the political operative types, who might as well be from another planet. My kind of conservative Democrat became extinct within the party decades ago. Ronald Reagan’s famous quip that he didn’t leave the Democrat Party it left him also applies to many millions of Americans.
If Republicans could consistently nominate real conservatives for president and also send the same to Congress they would in short order own the government regardless of the real guard actions of the dem dominated bureaucracy or the fatuous liberal media.
The truth about the current state of the US is that every one of our significant problems is due to misguided Democrat policies of decades, and now also, merely a few years ago. If this party is not made a permanent minority party in the next general election the United States as we have known it is over.
RINOs are the successors to the Rockefeller Republicans. The idle rich that were brought up with a European sense of Noblesse Oblige. This idea that they are the elite, the nobels, and should provide for the peasantry dovetails nicely with the Democratic left of today. The real difference is in the speed of the implementation of the tyranny.
The Rockefeller Republicans were much more representative of the rich that the populist Dems of that era railed against. Now, though, the Dems are much more interested in their own power and wealth so can sidle up to the RRs with no qualms. Again, they are both after the same tyrannical control. This is the “alliance” of US and USSR in WWII. Once the common enemy, true conservatism / capitalism, is finally defeated; then they will turn on each other.
Don’t kid yourselves these people, at least the leaders and the main cockroaches of the Leftist action are actual card carrying Communists. They are not always members of the Communist Party of the United States but many of them are or aligned with spin off organizations that share a common goal. They know exactly what they are doing and while they share power with crooks and political hacks the core is pure totalitarian Marxists, controlled from a foreign international cabal of communists set on working their full agenda. That agenda is the total destruction of the United States. And if nothing they are patient. They must be recognized for the traitors they are and dealt with accordingly.
The end of Capitalism was brought by President Nixon when he removed the USD from Gold standard and replaced it with Petro dollar system. No fiat currency has ever survived more than a generation, the US dollar is extending its life but in the end will be no different. The USD will become worthless and collapse because it was placed on a path that guaranteed its demise.
Everything else is over complicating the problem; the USD is a Fiat currency with Zero assets backing its value. For all the whining about China, they are smart enough to be purchasing hard assets and natural Resources with their dollars, while the USA invades Iraq, Afghanistan, subsidizes massive pharmaceutical and Health programs, and guarantees overwhelming risk in the Banking system. The perfect storm
It is not brain surgery, and has Zero to do with Politics, just follow the money.
The US dollar is not capitalism, it’s just a representation of the success of capitalism. You can say Nixon murdered the dollar, I say it was murdered by the Fed – a creation of the left. Capitalism itself is and always has been murdered by the greedy left.
I was a Democrat for only years, came out of my Dead Head haze at 20 while at college. Democrats think they are doing what is best for this country and the hold that like a religious belief, Liberalism is a religion. Nothing will ever stop them, true believers, from doing what they have always done. Their dogma cannot change, they can only try and force it on us so we change.
Also, anyone on facebook looking for other non-Democrats, check out the page: Why I’m Not A Democrat.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Why-Im-Not-A-Democrat/40855863156?ref=ts
Of course you were that blind, Simon.
I remember you grinning and bouncing up and down and chanting that ditty about Mao with your buddies — with nary a wisp of a thought of the millions in China who suffered Mao’s tortures beyond those of the damned. Yes, you were that blind.
Look at the useful idiots you rail at now and remember yourself then. No difference. They also prolong the tours of our soldiers today, bearing responsibility for their deaths and disablements, just like you and your grinning and chanting friends did then.
I believe you are a good man, Simon, a changed man. Finish the process. Connect then with now, and do some sack cloth and ashes for real. Then read the books and treatises (yes, even Ayn Rand) that you spat upon then. You won’t understand it all unless you let all the scales fall.
The country needs your stronger and truer voice.
I think that the new democrat problem is largely a generational one. Today’s entrenched democrats (pronounced socialist/communist)are yesterday’s hippies, doing what they always do best: Looking out for themselves. During Vietnam, when the children of our Greatest Generation were coming of age and not wanting to go to war, they claimed that they had no desire to go kill people that they had no fight with and that it was wrong to do so. When we pulled out and no more US soldiers had to go to Vietnam, the argument of the “injustice of it all” ceased that day. Why? Because their bacon was no longer going to be exposed to the fire. It was never about “human rights”; It was about not wanting to go to Vietnam. As they “grew up” (actually, just got older), they found other things to cling to that would cover their asses and keep them safe. Now they are the ones in power. Very, very odd when you play back their leaders’ sound bites from the 60′s and how they were all “against the man, man.”. Yup, didn’t like the establishment laying all those rules on them, man. Yet here they are, imposing some of the weightiest, most heavily-laden rules on a society ever. Healthcare just for starters.
Seems it’s ok when they’re the ones making the rules. How many generations will have to pass until good sense arrives again? I am personally sick and tired of being just ten years behind these cretins. I hated bell-bottom pants. Hated their beads and their incense…peace signs…stupid lingo. And they’re still at it. But sadly, few recognize them for what they are…children in senior-citizens’ bodies. Led by one of my own generation who is so un-American that I can’t fathom that he was even raised in this nation.
He wasn’t. Indonesia.
That aside, I’m ten years AHEAD of these 1960s (brats gotten to be senior citizens), and I feel the same disgust as you do for them.
Thanks for letting me know there’s someone in the next generation that has a clue. I had assumed that when I and my cogenerationalists check out the lights would go out with us.
A timely article, Roger. It reinforces what I was just thinking, having just seen the video of some sneering, angry Metrosexual accusing Andrew Breitbart of all manners of malfeasance. All I could think was, “and this is what Liberal politics has descended to.”
Conservatives are akin to the remaining sane people in Rome, trying to put out thousands of fires as the city burns.
Liberals are Nero sitting in the port of Ostia, playing a lute, enjoying the spectacle, caring not one whit.
What is destroying democratic party and the nation is the political correctness and denial of truths on many fronts because of it. If our nation continues to waddle in political correctness of Democrats and avoids facing the truth, it will destroy us all!!
It’s much worse than you think, Roger. Just yesterday, I read an article about the TSA, in conjunction with other LEAs, making “visit” to public transportation facilities, and engaging in pat downs of people there. Not being satisfied with violating our 4th Amendment rights at airports, the TSA has branched out to other forms of public transportation.
Since we cannot expect the threat from Islamofascist terror to abate in our lifetimes, we will see governmental police powers expand. And, what government agency isn’t always looking for more turf and bigger budgets? Thus, the likelihood of rolling this unconstitutional behavior back is unlikely.
We are at the beginnings of a police state. The beginning of the loss of the freedom we have known, and allowed to steadily slip away.
Cut spending 2-4%, raise taxes 2-4%, tax pensions and/or extend the time to full retirement 2-4%; that is a balanced fair approach, therefore it will never happen. So it goes. It still does not create jobs; in fact extending time until retirement costs jobs, but the increased feeling of stability of a more balanced budget might help get things going.
One problem is that Rove saw for Bush and Obama’s advisors now see for him is that dividing and conquering is a more reliable path to re-election than true compromise, as long as you can get at least half of the center to come along.
Humpty D-White sat on a wall
Humpty D-White thought he wouldn’t fall…
No, the 2-4 rap is an illusion, much like the middle of turd. There is no basic change in anything with that, only disagreeable mush. Take from Peter to pay Paul. Or would that be to pay D-White? No wealth creation there.
The game is up.
The United States has some of the largest known energy reserves. Energy drives an economy, used bandaids do not. It’s so simple.
It’s not about relying on past myths D-White, it’s about relying on what is given, now.
Read any Rand lately? Page through Atlas, and don’t be concerned, reality can be a good thing. Change! Mr. President change is more of the same old shell game. Like 2-4ism. No change! And you won’t burn in Hell. Well, hopefully not.
Well, he hands you a nickel
And he hands you a dime
And he asks you with a grin
If you’re havin’ a good time
Atlas Shrugged is a fun read until you get to the weird Utopian crap at the end.
“Will the Democratic Party Destroy Us All?”
No. The abandonment of America and of liberty by an entire generation of wanna-be revolutionary, self-proclaimed Marxist youths in the 1960s will, and they are in all parties. Sometimes when they get old, e.g., Mamet among others, they change their minds, but the damage they did lives on, no matter how many essays with rhetorical questions as titles they write.
There are two defining characteristics of the Democratic party and of all socialist parties.
The first is – they are utopian. They genuinely believe that a perfect societal order exists and can be attained. This belief in perfectionism is, by definition, religious, both because of this belief in an unwordly perfection and the belief that by various tactics carried out by man, such perfection can be attained.
Concomitant to this utopianism is a second belief – that the means to attain perfection is by universalism; that is, everyone must behave alike. To achieve this homogeneity requires a firm authoritarian government. And, and, a total loss of individual power.
The Democratic/socialist ideology is contemptuous of ‘the people’. They consider the ‘ordinary people’ to be incapable of reason, of making good decisions, of self-governance. The people must be rendered without power or they will ‘run amok’.
I think their vicious hatred of Sarah Palin is a perfect example of this contempt. Palin is not a member of the elite in Washington; she’s ‘pure people’. She hunts, she raises her children, she actually acknowledges and accepts frailty (Trig). The horror of and the contempt for, such ‘people behavior’ is exemplified by the Democratic vicious assaults on Palin.
The individual must have no ‘free money’ but must be dependent on the state. Extra money is considered almost a sin and must be taxed away. Notice how angry the socialist becomes when he speaks of ‘the rich’…which is a term used for money above the means of daily survival.
The individual must have no free choices but must be dependent on the state, the individual must make no individual decisions but must rely on the state’s decision-making bureaucrats.
The Democratic/socialist ideology believes that IF the ordinary people are constrained and rendered without freedom – then, this utopian purity will exist.
That’s one side of the religion.
The other side is that, as in any religion, since it is held by mortal human beings, something else is added to the nobility of purity. Power. The power moves from any and all individuals to a smaller and smaller set of authorities. The government takes all the power.
Notice how Obama has moved, more and more, into ignoring the Will of Congress. Congress, after all, represents the Power of the People. Obama rejects this power and moves into Executive Fiat. He and his unelected administration have all the power – and he rejects the advice and will of Congress, rejects the advice of his various commissions, rejects even the November elections which gave the House to the GOP…by his ignoring Congress.
The US is moving more and more into a dictatorial regime…
you nailed it as usual.
“…dictatorial regime…”
…and all that is needed to keep the bitter clingers in line is a “crisis, not to be wasted,” bringing on military jackboots, or the “just as well funded citizen army” (probably of unemployed inner city thugs) Barry Soetero promised his adoring, fainting crowds.
Television addled, techo-gadget idolators, celebrity worshipping, rock music hammered, drunk and entitlement dependent, over-run with illegals and drugs…just how many actual functioning non-guiltridden adults are left in America to save what remains of constitutional government?
I hope some day you develop your ideas into full length essays. You are one of the most interesting thinkers at Pajamas.
“blocking spending cuts, accusing Republicans of excessive greed, and catering to unions and reactionary race-based interests groups.”
The repubs did the same thing during the lead up to the elections last year so why are they complaining about it. They did nothing but stand in the way when Obama and the dems tried getting the economy up and moving and create some jobs. The last thing the repubs wanted was for the dems to swoop in and save the day and rescue us from the mess they got us in. That would of been bad for them on election day.
[The repubs did the same thing during the lead up to the elections last year so why are they complaining about it.]
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Tell us, moron: how could Republicans stand in the way of Democrats “getting the economy up and moving” when the Dem-controlled Congress didn’t even submit a budget proposal in the run-up to the 2010 elections?
A hint: don’t bother trying to provide an answer because you can’t.
My point is simply to illustrate that you’re exactly the type of uninformed, indoctrinated useful idiot that Roger is writing about. And the sad fact is that those such as yourself now comprise about 50% of the US population – i.e., abject fools who have never actually studied an issue in their lives…simply opened their mouths wide for the Left to fire-hose the Kool-Aid down their gullets.
This won’t end well, people.
Your comment is just words. No facts.
Could you explain how, with a majority in both the House and Senate and the Executive – Obama and the Democrats were blocked by the GOP from dealing with the economy and creating jobs? Please explain.
And are you aware that it is the Democrats that cater to the unions? Why do you think Obama has exempted so many unions from health care? Why do you think his administration is trying to stop Boeing from opening a plant in a free to work state? And are you aware of how frequently Obama chastizes Americans of ‘excessive greed’ – claiming that there is a limit on how much ‘wealth’ they should have (200,000) and after that line – the state should move in and take the money?
What spending cuts are the GOP blocking? It’s Obama and the Democrats who refuse to cut, who insist on taking more and more wealth away from the private sector into the hands of the state.
Are you aware that Obama’s stimulus – his trademark act to create jobs – failed? That the unemployment is above his fabled 8%? That the money didn’t go to ‘shovel-ready projects’ (and he laughs at such a naive notion now)..and instead went to save the jobs of public service unionized workers?
I await your factual comments.
“They did nothing but stand in the way when Obama and the dems tried getting the economy up and moving and create some jobs.”
First, there was nothing the Republican party could do to get in the way of anything the Democrats wanted, and in fact, they didn’t get in their way. Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the presidency, remember? Republicans just refused to vote along with the Democrats, despite the Democrats attempting to get Republicans to go along for political cover.
Second, THAT MEANS THE DEMOCRATS GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED. The results of their “trying to get the economy up and moving and create some jobs” is the condition we’re in now. Instead of doing things that might actually get people investing and working, the Democrats pumped money into the pockets of their supporters and worked at punishing their critics. THAT’S WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE TODAY.
The “stimulus” was not blocked by Republicans. It wasn’t SUPPORTED BY THEM, but it was not — could not have been — blocked by them.
I don’t know where you got the idea Republicans blocked anything, but you should go back and question EVERYTHING that source has told you, because on that point they flat-out LIED to you.
Your ignorance is breathtaking!
The Dems were hired to do 3 things in ’08: Stop the spending; fix the economy; end the wars. They did none of these things.
They were given the Whitehouse, a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and total control of the House. They had total control.
They had all this power, and so, instead of doing what they were hired to do, they went for their Holy Grails of AGW and Universal Healthcare. And they failed, because they could not even get all the Dems on board with their goals. They needed even bigger majorities to do these things. The Repubs voted as a group against them, but it meant nothing without some Dems siding with the Repubs.
I hope the Repubs do not make the same mistake. They will sweep into power with huge majorities, with the specific mission of stopping the spending, fixing the economy, and ending the foreign wars. If they go for their Holy Grails of Gay-marriage ban or Abortion ban, they, too, will get clobbered. I’d love to see these things, but they are just not possible until the immediate things are taken care of… and there are lots and lots of immediate things.
When folks come into power, they only have so much political capital with which to buy things. The Holy Grails cost too much. You have to invest your capital. Do the things folks want you to do, and do them well. You will then earn more political capital. Do more of this, and you become known as Statesmen. When you have enough Capital, and the overwhelming majorities to prove it, then you can buy your Holy Grails.
My daughter has her first job, a paper route. $60 a month seems like a lot to her, but you and I know it isn’t a lot. The Dems thought they were rich when they came into office in ’08. They thought they could buy the Moon. They tried. My, were they ever disappointed. They got spanked, and they are going to get spanked again, because they are politically bankrupt, now.
They have actually become irrelevant. No one is really listening to them and taking them seriously. Their actions, or inactions, speak so loudly, we cannot hear a word they are screeching.
“Would have”.
Not “would of”.
Cretin.
Democratic party out to destroy America? That’s old news:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/grigsby.asp
The Democrats been taken over by the Marxists. They’re no longer the old populist Democrats. The Democrat party is almost as far to the Left now as Lenin–and that is on its way.
You didn’t desert the party, the party deserted you. You’re still an old-fashioned Democrat. A lot of people on “the right” are old-fashioned Democrats.
And, yes, the Marxists are destroying the country.
When I reached the age of 21 and could legally vote; this was in the sixties I went to the registration center in a Philadelphia ward and was told, basically threatened that I better register democrat if I knew what was good for me. I refused and registered republican. When I went to vote in my first election, a supposed sacred American right, I was told that I was not registered. Since that day I have never and will never vote for that corrupt, venal, amoral political entity. As a first generation Irish American I remember being proud when John Kennedy was elected president,one of the tribe made it. Now I shun any politician with an Irish name because I saw my fellow Irish Americans supporting the thug unions and democrats in Philadelphia with great enthusiasm. I firmly believe that democrats are the followers of the anti Christ and the perpetrators of absolute evil. Amen
“I don’t buy the Cloward-Piven argument.”
The problem, Roger, is not that most Democrats buy the Cloward-Piven argument. They don’t, and perhaps are entirely unaware of it. But the Democratic Party has been taken over by a select few. Who do want a real radical change, but they are willing to take a long term, even multigenerational pose.
Look at the Russian Revolution. Everyone hated the Tsar, so real democratic reformers linked up with genuine starry-eyed utopian communists along with the true vicious Lenin & Stalin types. Most of the modern US Democratic Party people are in the first two groups, and are probably not aware of the Van Jones/Anita Dunn/Cass Sunstein types.
Even Bill Gates & Warren Buffett could be seen as having fascist tendencies, in that they see a partnership between big business and big government. Andrew Carnegie & Henry Ford had the same thinking — we are immensely successful, therefore we should be able to dictate to less successful people how to live there lives. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are Hitler, or even Mussolini. But they do believe in the power of the State. An Amish man and a Jesuit priest are both Christians, even though they are very different.
Remember, fascism, when introduced by Mussolini was described as the “third way” between free market capitalism and Soviet Union communism. That’s a lot of room there.
Too many of our politicians, and our generals (through NATO), have been hobnobbing with the socialists in Europe. They have come to see that socialism will personally benefit them, by keeping them (and their descendants), in the elitist, ruling class. For them, big government is in their personal interest. It doesn’t matter whether they are Democrat or Republican.
Sadly, you are correct.
Best comments I have read yet, yes it is this bad, just had a coworker attack me on talking about how the churches have been infiltrated. This woman hasn’t been to church ever and she’s telling me I’m wrong, oh yeah it’s everywhere and it was/is taught in all the schools, disgusting. I suggest to all the lefties that have woken up to get on your knee’s and pray, then pray some more because that’s what will get us out of this mess. Yes, praying, there is a God and he has his hand in all this you just have to choose him. The only person that can help get us out of this mess is Palin, yes, Palin has the “it”, she knows what it will take and she has the record of her accomplishments on her side go see the Undefeated movie if you don’t believe me. Mark my words, she has what it takes like no one else, she has chosen God and common sense tried and true principals on her side and all with that smile on her face because she knows who really is in charge.
grrrrr
No, they don’t realize we are going broke.
In this morning’s WSJ article concerning the Greek crisis, the reporter attributes to the Greek communists the belief that there is no need for austerity, that the rest of Europe has no choice but to rescue the Greeks, over and over again.
I believe the American left thinks the government can continue its high spending ways because the American political system cannot allow the government to go bankrupt and will do whatever it takes to raise the money for their spending schemes. They believe, and hope, that will mean much higher taxes on “the rich”, whom they despise. Thus a “win-win”. They can witness the wealthy and prosperous punished and chopped down, and have the money they take away to spend on their constituencies.
Naive, reckless, unprecedented? Yes, but when has that ever stopped the left from trying to implement their fantasy?
“I believe the American left thinks the government can continue its high spending ways because the American political system cannot allow the government to go bankrupt and will do whatever it takes to raise the money for their spending schemes.”
I’ve seen leftists say — apparently seriously — that the government cannot go broke because the government can print money.
The idea of worthless paper never occurs to them, and they are apparently not just ignorant of history, but of current events.
Today’s Democratic Party is anything but. It has been taken over by so-called “progressives” whose goal for America is the same as the old Communists, namely to destroy her from within.
It’s a shame you don’t believe in the Cloward-Piven strategy of bankrupting the government through massive spending increases, because that’s exactly what Obama, along with Reid and Pelosi, did during their reign of terror in the 111th Congress. It’s like Obama looked at the C-P strategy and decided it was just a bit too slow. Note the extreme resistance of the Dems to cut one penny of spending: they know what the end goal is and are working tirelessly to bring America to its knees.
Progressivism is a cancer that’s eating away at the country, and the sooner we understand this and continue the purge we started in 2010, the better of we’ll be.
If you are not in tune to the Left’s “Selling out America”, your I.Q. must be below room temp ,the common sense and logic genes are AWOL from your DNA and the truth about you is you are a member of the real Nazis of the 21st Century.
American Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano
We have a tea party, we have a second amendment,we have a declaration of independence,we know what is to be done:we don’t need no stinkin’ bailouts!
The evidence that the Democratic party will bring us to ruin if we allow it is out there in spades. Problem is, a good chunk of the populace hasn’t a clue that Obama and the Dems are leading us into troubled waters.
I have smart friends who are diehard liberals. They only know what the Times and Brian Williams tell them. Try to correct some misunderstanding about Ryan’s proposal, for example, and they roll their eyes and repeat the talking points they’ve been fed. They will not listen to the other side. They only know what they know from sources they trust, and all other information is suspect. “You cannot defeat an ignorant man in argument.”
Start making fun of them – treat them like children or imbeciles until you shame them into RESEARCHING things for themselves.
“I don’t buy the Cloward-Piven argument. Sure, there are some who would like to bring this country down economically so they can rebuild it as some sclerotic socialist utopia…”
I buy it. When you start thinking about what this president has done – and the money behind his election (Soros – and God only knows who else) it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to connect the dots – just a bit of thinking outside the box. People who you thought loved this country really do not. Exhibition #1 is the current occupant in the White House. Yeah – there are a lot of useful idiots (congress-critters – voters etc) out there parroting the lines of Obama and company and holding his banner high – but Obama is a sock-puppet for Soros and his ilk. Obama has assured himself and his family a place in the hierarchy of the New World Order – and the rest of us can damn well piss-off.
If the Democrats and Obama aren’t trying to take down the US economy then just what the hell are they doing??? Perception is reality and the reality of the situation is that they are dismantling capitalism. What other explanation can there be for their actions? I’d love to hear you explain that. I’d love to hear Obama’s explanation for his actions. It all points in one direction – and I don’t much care for where he’s leading us.
The system is already overwhelmed. What else could you possibly call it when our nation has in excess of 100 TRILLION dollars of unfunded liabilities? We owe 4 BILLION dollars a day just in interest on our debt. The day of reckoning is just around the corner. We either sunset FDR’s social security ponzi scheme and LBJ’s Medicare, or the collapse will come swift and sure. Either way, sunset or no, there will be no social security for people born after 1960 — so says Ann Barnhardt. Look her up. We manage the transition — painfully, but in decent order — or all hell will break loose as the economy collapses. Why, even today Mr. Geithner says higher taxes are coming. Higher taxes mean less money to spend, means economic contraction, means people losing their jobs; meanwhile, food prices soar as we put our food source in our cars — ethanol subsidies.
All you conservative-sounding types commenting here today: Are you willing to take the medicine needed to save the nation? Or are you, too, hell-bent on getting back what you paid into the SS system? SS needs to be scrapped. We talk about self-reliance and freedom, but are we willing to handle the ups and downs of life without Big Brother’s criminal safety net, aka SS. (A ponzi scheme is a criminal enterprise; again, see Ann Barnhardt.)
The drones may have no knowledge of Cloward-Piven; but I can guarantee you that the people calling the shots do. This state of affairs is no accident of incompetency: it’s entirely by design. The Marxists have been licking their chops for decades as they see their handiwork unfold.
I’m not sure how the U.S. is going to go broke; this is a pretty important detail for the sort of argument the author is making, and one that is never addressed.
Omitted relevant facts: All Republicans, and most Democrats (including Obama who is a Republican from 15 years ago on policy despite what many of my countrymen tell themselves) treat the economic downturn like a supply-side problem (cut taxes for businesses, etc.) when in fact there has never been a more obvious demand-side problem in recent history (for the first time I think since the data started being kept, businesses report that lack of demand is a bigger problem for them than taxes). The solution is obvious, and the one that actual liberals have been recommending the entire time; infuse cash into the poor so they can spend money again. Rich people do not spend money. Giving money to corporations does not induce hiring; it induces cash-hoarding. Pawlenty’s plan of cutting taxes for the rich to the bone? It will do absolutely nothing to help the economy, as has been shown continually over the past decade (It will, however, blast the deficit through the roof, at least partially because his suggestion of 5% growth is totally insane, since the US doesn’t grow at 5% and tax cuts for the wealthy do not induce growth). So please do not say that liberal policies are “failed”, they have never been tested in this current crisis (indeed, real Keynesian analysis called for a stimulus several times bigger than what we got, although even that one did save a lot of jobs, again despite what liar drones like Roger Simon say.)
Articles like this, based entirely on received popular bigotries rather than substantive analysis of facts, are an embarrassment.
Give money to the poor ? Rich people don’t spend money ? Wow, proof positive that ignorance is bliss……..with attitudes like yours, Tom, we are doomed.
“Rich people do not spend money.”
Either a contemptible lie or base ignorance. Do you truly believe they stuff their mattresses with it? Do you have nightmares of the “rich” swimming through vaults of cash like Scrooge McDuck?
“tax cuts for the wealthy do not induce growth”
Except they have every time they’ve been tried.
“based entirely on received popular bigotries”
Are you really that lacking in self-awareness?
Your analysis of what drives demand is pretty weak…the poor don’t drive demand the middle class does. Good Sales Executives understand the Economy better than Economists in ivory towers. Why, because they have to understand their own business as well as their clients’, their own markets as well as their clients’. That goes double in Technology sales that cover multiple markets. If the middle class is worried about the future, they defer purchases. If they see a displacement technology/product on the horizon, they defer purchases. In a depressed economy,it is a self fueling decline. pumping money to the poor just maintains subsistence level purchasing. It’s not going to drive growth…removing uncertainty for both the middle class consumer and the corporation drives growth. I laugh at Keynesian economists, and people like you because you ignore the human dynamic in the equation…and I’ve worked through a few recessions. Rich people do spend money, that they don’t is a pretty outrageous generalization.
[Rich people do not spend money.]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/us/10iht-letter10.html?ref=world
From the article:
“…citing research that shows the top 10 percent of U.S. households account for nearly 50 percent of all consumer spending.
IOW: you’re a fool.
[So please do not say that liberal policies are “failed”, they have never been tested in this current crisis (indeed, real Keynesian analysis called for a stimulus several times bigger than what we got...]
Ahh, the perpetual cry of the Leftist after every failure of their economic “theories” – i.e., “The evil conservatives/Republicans/rich people didn’t let us spend enough!”
[... although even that one did save a lot of jobs, again despite what liar drones like Roger Simon say.]
Except that none of you Lefties actually demonstrates any proof of that claim with, you know…facts. The Obama Administration says that it saved jobs…so it did. That’s the evidence.
[Articles like this, based entirely on received popular bigotries rather than substantive analysis of facts, are an embarrassment.]
Says the Kool-Aid guzzler.
If it can be conclusively proven that 0 is a Republican in any way, shape, or form (I don’t even think he is a Republican from 1856, much less 1996), I will eat this keyboard.
With some duck sauce. Duck sauce makes everything better.
After the Reagan tax rate cuts took effect in ’83, the economy grew 7% a year that year and the next. 22 million jobs were created during the Reagan years, and there was no Internet Revolution to aid it. 5% is not only realistic, it sets a very low bar.
Yes, tax rate cuts will not do it now, because businesses cannot make the numbers work, because of regulations. They also do not know what Obama will do next to kneecap them, like he did to Boeing. Boeing invested in a plant in SC, which would create 8k new, living-wage jobs. The NLRB said they can’t.
Businesses are waiting for Obama to be gone. That can be in 2 years or 6. It’s kinda up to the voters, but it seems a no-brainer. The economy is simply NOT going to improve until that thug is out of office.
You watch. The moment he loses the election, the economy will pick up drastically. Businesses will be making announcements. The Stock Market will rise. Employment will go up. All beginning the day after the election.
Marc…I know I can trust you to apply some factual reasoning. I think the matter of taxes should be a matter of honest debate. In terms of indidivual taxes that encompasses most of what folks relate to as small business I would offer the following historical analysis:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
I would invite all to look specifically at the charts from the end of WWII when the nation grew to its highest industrial and economic pinnacles….. to the present.
Likewise, for corporate taxes, I would offer the following:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/corporate_historical_bracket.pdf
Here again following from the end of WWII through the years the U.S. reached its highest economical pinnacle.
The real problem is current tax revenue sources versus loss of historical customary tax revenue sources. Our nation no longer has its historical and customary indiustrial bases much less continuing to losing more and more businesses and sectors to foreign shores. I would conclude that the problems are much more complex than simply some presumed tax rate issue.
Next, nobody is factoring the long running, histoically low interest rates that more than offset the arguments of lowering taxes. Businesses and corporations rarely ever create or expand (jobs) on cashflow but rather borrowed monies. Herin, one could argue access to lons may be a real problem however, one could also argue that the market demands are being met without new creations expansion.
Holy smokes – where and how did you come up with your opinions? Whew. They sure have nothing to do with economic theory. Let’s look at some of your basic opinions.
You declare that the problem is not about the nations’ capacity to ‘supply’ ( goods and services) but about the capacity to ‘demand’ (goods and services). Now wait. You are missing something in this linear sequence; indeed, you are starting at the wrong end of the sequence. That is, you are totally and completely ignoring how a nation PRODUCES WEALTH. And instead, you are focusing only on CONSUMING WEALTH. This is totally illogical.
How can you demand goods and services…unless they exist, i.e., are supplied, are produced? And how are they produced? By industries producing them. How can industries produce them? By lowering taxes and capital gains taxes so that the industry can AFFORD to purchase raw materials, equipment and energy costs, and workers. Got that? The focus is on the capacity-to-produce wealth.
Your error, which is to start at the wrong end of the economic line, then tells us that what will solve all our problems is to “infuse cash into the poor”. Sounds a bit like an intravenous bottle. Your focus is simply on Consumption. But..would you tell us – where does this cash come from to enable all the Non-Producers to Consume? Hmmm? Oh..we know your answer: From The Rich.
This meme of ‘From The Rich’ has to be one of the dumbest, most ignorant fallback answers in the stockpile of dumb answers. Do you seriously think that ‘The Rich’ are some kind of Virtual Bank, an endless Golden Well of money, money, money? Where do they get this money, money, money from..other than from PRODUCTING wealth!
And do the rich, well, do they hide the wealth produced from their industries and services…do they hide it in their socks? Really? They do? Heh.
No- they INVEST it. Into research and development, into new industries, into new products, into hiring more workers.
So – your view that ‘the rich don’t spend money’ has to be one of the dumbest memes ever…
Equally dumb is that ‘we should ‘infuse cash to the poor’. So, we keep them non-producing of wealth, without productive jobs, take INVESTMENT money away from the INVESTORS…to give to the nonproducing segment of the population..to purchase goods.
Think.
What will happen. Your idea is to take all the Investment Money from the Evil Rich…and give it to the poor. Gues what. No more factories will be built, no new equipment will be built or purchased, no new jobs will be offered….nothing. All due to your idea of taking all the INVESTMENT money and giving it to the non-wealth producing Consumers. Neat. Dumb.
You see, an economy that is robust is focused on PRODUCTION not consumption. Why? Because if you don’t first produce…there’s nothing to consume. Bet you didn’t know that.
And to enable PRODUCTION, you must enable INVESTMENT into the production capacities of the economy. That means lowered taxes..so that the money goes into new factories, equipment and hiring more workers.
Now – your problem is not bigotry…as you accuse us of, but a profound ignorance of economics. Try again.
I’ll tell you how the USA is going to go broke – from keeping policies in place that redistribute wealth from the rich down to you. Get off your ass and get a job – nobody owes you a living.
The way our country is going to go broke (its already begun) is like in the old English movie where the rich snobbish couple are living in a mansion but with very few things left in it. Unwilling to face reality and sell the mansion they’ve slowly bled off all their wealth to meet living expenses – to the point where the tax-man and banks are at the door.
That time is nearing for us. You libs/progressives have passed such onerous legislation that businesses that are able to – have relocated to other countries like Mexico and China – and are now flooding into India. How much longer can the USA remain the top manufacturer (yes, we are) in the world if we enable energy production killing ideas like cap n trade and other nutter ideas that Obama has in store for us? Four more years of this idiot will be the end of the USA as we know it.
Now go find a job…
Roger, the Democrats won’t change because they know they have the moral high ground. Until we challenge the morality of forcing one man to help another, just because he’s less fortunate, Republicans will be the party of ‘me-too’ socialism. We Americans need to stop counting other people’s money, make a business plan, make a LIFE plan, and get to work on our own welfare, instead of focusing all our mental energy and financial resources on the poor.
WHAT is wrong with the “Democratic” Party?
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the “Democratic” Party. The hierarchy is furthering EXACTLY their program that began in Wilson’s administration and League of Nations,gratefully a failure. FDRoosevelt’s activity to further the program: policies to extend government into places in the USA it has no “business”, policies towards Japan, donation of Eastern Europe to Joseph Stalin’s slave state and United ? Nations ? JF Kennedy as glamourous front man and his war used by the “best and brightest” to pit citizen against citizen along class, race and gender lines, onto LB Johnson’s “Great Society”. Carter as stand-in/lieutenant for the next Kennedy. Then Clinton,as Kennedy clone when Edward forfeited his “divine right of kings”, at the Advent of the Millenium and their New World Order. As end-game,the Messiah of Obama. Far-fetched? Conspiracy ? Who knows, but odd that these sorts of people — ALL considering themselves “elite” in the country of the “common man!” called themselves “democrats” and “liberals”. When all their organised behaviours suggested the playground bully or neighbourhood gang, or simply gang of thugs. in expensive clothes with smooth manners with troops less smooth.
You remember that Ronald Reagan was also a natural democrat. Until, no doubt among other experience, as head of the Motion Picture Guild he recognised it as a club of subversives, i.e. “reds under the bed”. He left the “Democratic” Party. The faithful derided him and found all ways ever after to slander and libel him. As “artists” they had the motive and means.
Not unlike the history of the political parties and Media in Great Britain with their parallel behaviours towards that other upstart, only a grocer’s daughter Margaret Thatcher, as Reagan was only a “second rate actor!”. Both Thatcher and Reagan enraged the entrenched “nobility” of entertainment, Media, “elite” intelligentsia at the possibility that a “commoner” might gain the throne, came out fighting with unending ever escalating slanders, libels and such animated hatred as to appear deranged, to “convince” the dullards, the ignorant, pathetically common, the vulgar to follow their lead. In both Thatcher and Reagan’s cases,events proved the “elite”, the “intelligentsia”, the “artists” WRONG – WRONG -WRONG.
Nations can be destroyed by “civil” war — even a “cold” civil war. Experience tells us that to destroy a cohesive society there’s more than one way to skin the cat. To overthrow OR to undermine. It’s not called “international Communism” just for the sound of the words. Orwell wrote about words, the uses and misuses of them. “Democrats” and even “Republicans”?
“I think there are three things at work — habit, fear of change, and pure, unbridled, screw-the-rest-of-us, self-interest.”
I think it’s fair to say it’s mostly the latter. I just don’t understand how “normal” people still in the Democratic party don’t see what’s going on here, and run for the hills. I would be embarrassed to associate myself with the likes of Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Frank and Schumer.
Roger; You have written the unspeakable. You have thrown rocks into the Democrat military compound. You can expect relentless punishment from the Liberals and Progressives.
“Was it always this bad?”
It really was. Only now it is more pervasive and overt.
Norman Thomas, co-founder of the ACLU and presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of the U.S.A. in 1940, 1944, and 1948, said:
He went on to say; “I no longer need to run as a Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
Ronald Reagan used the first part of this quote in a speech against socialized medicine in 1961.
Another journalist wrote that “we would miss the U.S.S.R. of old.”
It seems that the Socialist/Communist Party is alive and thriving quite well in the United States. They’ve found a fertile place to propagate.
They have infiltrated our greatest assets; Our education system and our media. (And trying to force themselves into our medical system). They are a disease that has grown to pandemic proportions.
My own campaign against these ignorant recalcitrants is small and insignificant compared with others.
But, does that mean I should quit? Not until they pry my keyboard from my cold, dead hands.
Am I the only American REALLY afraid?? These ugly Dumocrats are becoming totally uncivilized and raising more cane as INSTRUCTED BY UNIONS. Unions are blatantly shoving MY government into a VERY LEFTIST CORNER and I don’t know how to stop this. Christian, HELP, please.
I can’t leave a comment under my own name.
Tommy Gunn is right, of course. These people are committed to the end of freedom as we know it. However, “they,” are not the union people, like me, trying to support our families. They are not teachers, doing the same thing, like my lovely sister. Teachers get cursed at and are expected to provide two square meals a day to kids whose parents drive Escalades. We in law enforcement, “union thugs,” are not allowed to prosecute numerous classes of crooks. We have to focus on violence, which is a correct assignment, until you realize that much of that is so called, “domestic,” which means, for example, a guy throwing a phone across the room in anger or a woman throwing a beer across the room, not necessarily hitting anyone! We cannot and do not prosecute, illegal aliens unless they get arrested for something else. Nor do we prosecute those who violate the statute against bigamy or polygamy. Anyone interested could Google the fire in the Bronx some years back that killed a family with multiple wives involved. No prosecution. But try carrying a gun in the Bronx or anywhere in NYC, even if you just got back from the USMC. No way, Jose.
Unless you’re Donald Trump. He has a carry, as does Bob Deniro. But onto the issue of the Democrats. I hate them. They represent weakness and failure. But they also support the right of teachers and cops to make a decent living. And you have to ask yourself, unless you want to end public education or law enforcement, why shouldn’t we? I mean, if everyone home schools and carries openly, like we did 150 years ago, you wouldn’t need us, teachers and cops.
But when you walk out your door, ask yourself when you look around, how many of these morons would behave and not violate basic laws, or know how to teach their kids. Good luck. So by constantly accusing the unions of being bad, the conservative movement successfully divides itself. Those guys buying ATVs, hunting, fishing, buying guns, supporting the troops and voting GOP, many of us are in unions. So really, what gives? Do people like Mr. Simon really believe that rich Hollywood guys with royalty checks from jobs they got by being part of the movement they despise have the right to tell us who bust our asses hauling prisoners and teaching the brats that their entertainment industry has created that we should not be well paid? Give me a break. If conservatives want to win, they need to realize, in society, as it currently exists, destroying unions and people like me and my salary and benefits is going to be creating a huge mass of well educated people with high expectations who will go bankrupt and crash the system. And then, with Wakenhut taking over policing and teachers making security guard wages teaching, you’ll have a really great society.
Not every union member is a thug. It’s like calling me the N word. By trying to put me out of business, just because I get a pension, your put yourself out of business
“Not every union member is a thug.”
That is, however, the way to bet.
Rick, the problem is that the unions demand wages and benefits far, far beyond what is reasonable or supportable. Government union retirees in San Francisco make twice the average income of the city — where is that money supposed to come from?
“Teachers get cursed at and are expected to provide two square meals a day to kids”
who in the world expects “teachers” to provide 2 meals a day other than those to which this entire article is addressed to?
i have no problem with individual union members just trying to make a living
i have a humongous problem with public unions themselves and their protected governmental monopoly status
Screw you guys! I’ve seen police enforcing the tyranny of the union thugs against we the people. I want no part of your “lawfare.” You people have been picking and choosing who the law applies for decades now. You’ve made us lawless. YOU are part of the reason this country is now dead! Your damned sister indoctrinating our youth into gay-commies is the other half of the equation!
Much of what bolsters contemporary Progressive denseness is encapsulated by a memorable line from Atlas Shrugged: “Oh, you’ll do SOMETHING, Mr. Rearden.”
They’re a peculiar kind of parasite, one that believes that they can do anything whatever to the host and still survive to loot another day. They refuse to know that there are limits to the illness the body politic can withstand.
Like the Fascists they so resemble, modern Progressives are worse than Communists. At least the Communists accept responsibility (verbally, anyway) for supplying ‘the needs of the people’. The Progressives put most of the onus on ‘business’ or other groups while they simply sit back and dictate the terms.
Past a certain point, though, not even the most pliant person can supply what (and how much) the Progressives demand – and the citizens are becoming less pliant as the message gets out of the link between liberty and prosperity, and the moral importance of both.
‘What is wrong with the Democratic Party?’
Roger.
Nothing is wrong with Democratic party. The democrat party always been the party of autocrats, like any other good socialist/fascist/communist party. Unlike the democrats of your youth today’s democrats are upset because they are being exposed for what they really are (intolerant,abusive and self serving thieves).
Is nothing more dangerous than the wounded wild beast, and the democrats are behaving just like it.
America in 2012 if you don’t kill it, it will kill you and your offspring.
the Democratic Party…Was it always this bad?
Hell no. JFK, for example, understood that excessive taxation kills economic growth.
So what exactly is wrong with the Democratic Party and its constituents?
Constituents have been successfully groomed as fat, lazy, entitled co-dependents, groomed to understand that being an American means “my rights, damnit !” with no attendant sense of responsibility. And they desperately need Michelle’s multi million $ “my plate” and Barry’s forced purchase of healthcare or they will be unable to survive on the planet.
They’ve elected people who play to this version of themselves as perpetual victims, Chuckie (“small, clammy hands”) Schumer, Maxine (“we’re gonna take you over, big bizness !”) Waters, Al (“nuts”) Franken (the list is long…)
As for the so called leaders, they’re a collection of slimy self-serving ideologically driven cretins. (was that too strong ?)
Then there’s the élitist contingent of democrat leaders, Obama, Sunstein, John Holdren, an entire cadre of individuals who want to micromanage every aspect of your life down to the smallest detail.
That crowd is even more threatening than the merely slimy & dumb ones.
Maybe they take Jeremiah Wrights comments seriously.
Cozying up to muslims,allowing the infiltration of our country by Mexicans and encouraging welfare breeders to reproduce by paying them to have children are self-destructive acts.
NAFTA,foreign aid and health care reform are programs that have flushed our finances and jobs down the drain.
Wars are little more than shooting our own viable employee pool onto disability roles.And the poor- me minorities that aren’t really minorities have the do- gooders groveling behind them,writing checks and telling them they are victims while they commit crimes.
And everyone knows everything,except how to be independent,read,write,add,subtract and think for themselves,thanks to our educational system.
I can’t remember a leader that put tax payers interest first.Most of our leaders are greedy, shameful and embarrassing.
Democratic motto seems to have become god damn America and many Republicans aren’t far behind .
Rob, I’m not in Frisco. Wrong union. I’m in CSEA. Respectfully, using using crazy Frisco as an example of unions is like using Ted Nugent as an example of hunters or Iggy Pop as an example of kids from Grand Rapids.
I have been at this job for 13 years, and if I get laid off tomorrow in 8 years I’ll begin receiving about $11,000 a year. Hell, I know people who get more than that every year because they claim to have ADD or some other nonsense. Not that I’m owed anything, mind you, but do you really want your government run by rank and file workers with nothing to lose? Have some perspective on unions. Teachers until they have tenure can be fired for no reason, at all. A great teacher, who stays late and helps kids and feeds them and tutors them can be fired, thrown out, because some administrator didn’t get his lap sat on or did not like their face. And it happens all the time.
The next time you meet an ex teacher out their, talk to them.
This is an excerpt from a speech that Calvin Coolidge (one of our most under-appreciated presidents) gave on the 150th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence:
“About the declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences, which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning cannot be applied to this great chapter. If all men are created equal, that is final. … If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”
Absolutely brilliant! So, where does the left want to take us? It would seem that they want to take us back to a time, as Coolidge says, “when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.” Our Founders gave us a wonderful gift and we are allowing it to be squandered and destroyed by those on the left. They were fortunate enough to be born in the most free and prosperous nation that has ever existed on the planet, and yet they want to destroy it. It’s true what David Horowitz says, “Liberals are destroyers; conservatives are creators.”
It’s a death cult–plain and simple!
Either that, or we’ll destroy it. It’s rabid, and needs to be put down, and if it isn’t, nobody’s safe.
[What is wrong with the Democratic Party?]
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The problem, Roger, is two-fold, and it can be summed up with a couple of quotes from prominent Leftists of the past.
First…
What you see going on around you is nothing new, Roger. It’s always been de rigueur for the Left – they sincerely believe that they do not need to engage in reasoned debate with non-Leftists because non-Leftists are unreasonable as illustrated by the fact that they’re non-Leftists!
For hundreds of years, the committed Left have embraced the belief that anyone who is not a Leftist is suffering under “false consciousness” as described by Marx, and therefore, reasoned argument and debate with non-Leftists is both impossible and a waste of time. IOW: if you don’t believe what they believe, then you are simply a brainwashed tool of your capitalist overlords who should be ignored. And the things that you are concerned about – e.g., spending, deficits, debt, etc. – are necessarily non-issues by virtue of the fact that you – a non-Leftist – are concerned about them.
It’s the reason that John Stewart can – with a straight face – say that FOX News is obviously biased, but other news organizations are not…well, except maybe for MSNBC, who, according to Stewart, are “trying” to embrace a somewhat partisan format in order to emulate FOX. Do you see how that works?! The very fact that non-Leftists state that the US news media is biased is proof that it isn’t biased. Why? Because non-Leftists say that it is and anyone who thinks correctly – i.e., Leftists – knows that non-Leftists are always wrong!
Second…
This quote perfectly encapsulates why the Left has been so dogged in its “march through the institutions” since the end of WW2. They fully understand that if you’re able to get to the person early enough in life, they won’t be instilling an ideology…they’ll be instilling an identity. An identity that will be unassailable by logic, reason, or counter-argument. That is what you’re seeing going on around you…the end result of 50 years of the Left’s iron-grip on education, news media, and entertainment. A population of fully indoctrinated, intellectually-incurious lemmings who have been trained with Pavlovian efficacy to unblinkingly accept what they’re told by their authority figures, while rejecting everything that comes from the non-Left.
And now, there are finally enough of them out there to cause real damage.
As my favorite new series of the years has been warning: “Winter is coming.”
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” – Vladimir Lenin
Fortunately, Lenin was wrong. Two generations of intense anti-religious official atheist education had no impact whatsoever. Russians are just as religious now as they were in 1917. Of course, it is true Russia is now a basket case after two generations of Marxism/Leninism, but at least we can take some small comfort from the fact that Lenin was simply wrong. Besides, the system doesn’t work. Welfare state economics has a run of about 2 1/2 generations, and then it starts to collapse. All the indoctrination in the world can’t make something work that is unworkable. The Russians used to have a saying with regard to the communist government: “They pretend to rule, and we pretend to obey.” Human beings never really become lemmings, at least not for long. Reality always intrudes on the official pipedream. Don’t despair just yet.
[All the indoctrination in the world can’t make something work that is unworkable.]
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That’s very true; however, it certainly goes a long way towards breaking something that works…by yoking its adherents to a failed ideology that they are incapable of discarding until nothing is left but smoldering ruins all around them.
Of course Lenin was wrong. He was Marxist, which means that he had a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature and society. But that doesn’t negate the damage his insidious ideology unleashes everywhere it’s allowed to fester.
The biggest mistake the West has made in the past 100 years was refusing to let Patton turn his tanks towards Moscow after the Nazis were defeated. As a result, WW2 didn’t actually end until 1991, and unfortunately, the cancer of Marxism was allowed to spread into the West to the point that now I fear we are terminally ill.
Will what you and I consider “The West” return – i.e., a society comprised of human beings who hold to freedom, personal responsibility, and reason? Yes. But there’s going to be hell to pay in getting back to it.
Lenin was right. All it takes to destroy a civilized [democracy] in order to kill and torture millions is 1% entirely committed to the revolution with no moral boundaries to their destructive impulses and 50% willing to go along as useful idiots. I think we passed the useful idiot threshold awhile back.
What’s become of the Democratic Party? It’s become the great refuge of people in denial, people in headlong flight from reality. Check out O’s address to the DNC (on Drudge); it’s a catalog of delusions. I’d been asking myself for many years why my dear lefty friends just can’t seem to get any kind of a grip on reality. At first I thought, “Well, they just see things differently.” But I came to realize it’s more than that: They see with different eyes. Their eyes just aren’t capable of seeing reality. That’s why we have to do everything we can (legally, of course) to get them and keep them out of power. Otherwise they actually will wreck this country and the world and will be congratulating themselves, like Chamberlain back from Munich, on a good day’s work to boot.
My wife was a Democrat for 30+ years until a few months ago and she went down to the county election office and changed to Republican. She works in health care and sees the burden being placed on them for the follies of the Democrats. A person can come in for a health issue and it can be because of their total disregard for themselves. After they leave if they come back for the same thing the Democrats think the doctors and hospitals need to take burden in for free. Delusional, no self reliance, no responsibility, no pride in country, let the state; which is the rest of us, take care of those that vote for them. Now you have Obama lowering border captures and returns to Mexico. The part I love about his speech is the 2.1 million jobs and the government record keeping. Other research institutes have unemployment much higher which as we all know by the signs in our neighborhoods, the research institutes are probably the numbers to believe.
“The United States of America has never been in worse shape — foreign or domestic — not since the Civil War anyway.”
Well, it’s not that grim.
We were in much worse shape in the 1930s and 1940s.
["...but unlike Greece there is no one who can bail us out."]
Roger…I would venture to say that Europe and the U.S. are suffering from the very same underlying problems and essentially, from the same historical reference point…Post WWII. The only difference being that Europe was reconstructed as a socialist class while the U.S. evolved into a new era of industrial exceptionalism propping up the European socialist class until….
Between the U.S. slowly transitioning to more and more socialism and a declining capitalist economy while propping up Europe, we now find oursleves in the same exact consequences of social and economic crisis.
The ‘problems’ do NOT stem from nor did they progress by one political party over another! However, the least active anarchist-libertarian party can probably carry much less blame. The socialists-progressives-liberals and the GOP conclusively must hold all the blame for what has happend politically to the nation. On the other hand, it is the ‘people’ of the nation that must ultimately carry the responsibility of allowing the nation socially and politically, to come to its current point of failures.
Sometimes, ones house reaches a point of such despair that it is best left to the fire department to come and burn it down so that reconstruction can be effected. We are not quite there as a country but….given the attitudes of the people and their elected political machines, it is on the horizon! The U.S. and Europe will not rise again as the world superpower society.
The Post WWII generations have squandered America’s once greatness. SAD!
“The Post WWII generations have squandered America’s once greatness. SAD!”
While the idiocy started with TR and the Sherman Act, and had a temporary boost under Wilson, things didn’t really get going in the wrong direction until FDR–the WWII generation voted for him over and over. The WWII generation birthed the hippies–they need to own them.
The WWII generation needs to be thanked for their sacrifices..they need to be cussed for their stupidity. They may well have killed this country as much as saved it.
Yes, of course you’re right Tommy! Thanks to your generations of the 60′s and 70′s you’ve saved the nation and all is fine. Thank you sir!
The individual named Lolly, has violated PJM’s policy on comments. Please do whatever tech guys do and trace it back to them. The comments posted speak for themselves.
Have you tried calling 911 and locking the door until a trauma team can arrive?
Oh waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! A union guy (cop) who busts (shakes-down) the lawabiding while turning a blind eye to democrats assaulting people is upset with me pointing out his lib sister is brainwashing kids. Oh booooo-hooooo!
Some perspective:
1: Unless we take the education system back its all meaningless, GOP conservative pres or not. Which i doubt will ever happen due to #2..
2: All the talk of “i wont let it happen”, “take my guns over my dead body” ect…is just talk from most people…not all but most. The question is what have you done lately?? For real??? Besides arming and storing food?
3: Most people say tough words but when push comes to shove nothing will happen because they dont really want to go to jail, die, or see their loved ones suffer. This is based on HISTORY….things need to get REAL bad..much much worse than now before most people actually rise up and stop it, I am talking a generation or 2 from now as we slide away…
This all sounds grim but i dont see enough ACTION(not just words) from people OR politicians. Not saying that i am any better…I am far from it…just the reality as i see it.
This does not mean give up…more a call to ACTION…get out there and DO something..ALL of us, me included can do much more!! Just remember when push comes to shove most people wont actually DO anything(lots of talk, but eventually that will die off as well as they start to risk their own life with words) as we slowly slide into oblivion and another dark ages follows…this time with major weapons!
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Democrats have power because they promise something for nothing. The notion that someone else will pay is very popular. People are basically lazy and this is a very large apeal. So, the Democrats will rule until there is nothing left. It is the “little red hen” except the Democrats have legislated the hen’s right to eat her own food away. We are spiraling down the drain and have passed the event horizon.
Mr Lucky wrote: “No, the 2-4 rap is an illusion, much like the middle of turd. There is no basic change in anything with that, only disagreeable mush. Take from Peter to pay Paul. Or would that be to pay D-White? No wealth creation there.”
If you actually COULD get a 2-4% cut in spending, you (and I) would have ourselves an historic moment. But your ping pong reflexes apparently can’t take that in. Do you even think about what you write, or just go against whatever I say? Think about this…I’ll go S-l-o-w as a DSL slowski connection; a 2-4% C–U–T in s-p-e-n-d-i-n-g. Try t-h-i-n-k-i-n-g just a little.
Actually, Lolly Pop, I’m trained to hold my tongue and I cannot state how many people like you I have seen. Really, have fun! My shift is over. I’m going to my pool to swim. Then I’m going to hug my dogs, and have a drink. My kids are both employed, doing well, nice looking. Life is good for me, Lolly.
As far as who’s teaching what to whom, my sister is a published author who actually receives royalty checks for her text book work. My brother works for a major corporation, and is just starting his summer vacation. Come to think of it, all my blood and marriage relations are doing really, really well. Everyone I know is employed. And most are not in unions. So dude, you can try to pull my chain all you want. I know, for a fact, if you saw me walking around you’d look down. I bench 330 at age 49, with no pills. Most people like you look down when they see me, and I’m 5’7″.
Well, like I said, gotta go. I have avoided attacking people and teasing them, because I would only do that face to face. Looks nice outside. Looking forward to my swim and my drink. Too bad we can’t ever meet.
feel better now?
So what?
“So what?”
So he just has to feel like he’s winning (cf. Charlie Sheen on his recent “tour”). He is a public union member under threat; he is trying to explain why we need him and others like him, yes! We need him so very badly. We aren’t buying; he knows what that means for his greatly diminished future. Too bad he took such a lazy path through life, assuming he is telling the truth about himself. Now that poor choice is under threatening to visit its proper results upon his low, sorry arse.
That’s all.
The saecular winter is indeed upon us, or the “fin de siecle”, as the French call it. Read Strauss & Howe’s “The Fourth Turning”, if you haven’t already. We are just about at the point in the cycle where the old institutions fail entirely, “politics as usual” breaks down, and great changes become possible. This is the season of death and rebirth, of endings and beginnings, of revolutions and strife. This was the saecular season when a colonial tax revolt triggered the American Revolution. This was the season when the tinder stored up struggling with words and laws over slavery and industrialization finally caught fire. This was the season when the totalitarians last tried to seize the world by force. 1776, 1861, 1941, and coming soon, the next year never to be forgotten. The winter of civilization has come around again, so be ready for anything.
It’s a religion. It’s a faith. Logic has nothing to do with it.
Walking on water is not logical either. Neither is parting the sea etc.
It’s the results that comes from the various religions that are different. Some religions instills ethics. Other religions bankrupt nations.
As always some whinging about deficits, little about debt. And none about liquidating debt. Bye-bye USA.
Allow me a note of optimism: There is a hopeless miasma that settles into deeply troubled societies that shortens vision. Citizens despair of solutions and can’t imagine that things can be improved overnight. Here in NYC, we once had a handsome and progressive mayor named John V. Lindsay who wildly outspent every mayor NYC ever had.
Lindsay pissed away the taxpayers’ dollars on everything but what the taxpayers wanted. He fought with municipal workers and their unions while hiring thousands of the unemployed to give them the dignity of a job. Those who couldn’t or wouldn’t work packed NYC’s welfare rolls. Municipal workers walked. garbage piled up. Trains and buses stopped running. Crime soared as disgruntled and crooked cops shared in criminal proceeds and turned a blind eye to street crime. The mayor’s generosity with the taxpayers’ money sparked a migratory wave of the poor from the South while three quarters of a million businesses and a million productive New Yorkers moved out. New York was a dangerous city tourists avoided.
Then came Ocean Hill-Brownsville with the Mayor supporting semi-literate parents demanding school teachers of their own race. The Mayor and the racist parents got their way with the result that the better teachers and students in large numbers bailed out and the best school system in the nation collapsed.
New York is a Democratic Party hogwallow and it muddled along after Lindsay through two hack Democratic administrations, things going from bad to worse. Central Park was a no-mans-land, unsafe by day and downright dangerous by night. Motorists put signs in their windows when they parked pleading with criminals: NO RADIO OR VALUABLES. PLEASE DON’T BREAK IN. Then Koch was elected and things began to improve.
Finally came the amazing Giuliani. Giuliani knew something about morale. He began by raising the morale of the police and went on to raise the morale of an entire city. The change in New York quality of life could not have been more dramatic. Street crime came to a screeching halt. The whole city was suddenly cleaner. Motorists didn’t need to steel-armor their steering columns and lock metal crossbars on their steering wheels to insure that their cars wouldn’t be hot wired and stolen. Little notes begging mercy from theives disappeared from the windows of parked cars. The streets and parks got a makeover and Central park was safe by day and by night. Investment dollars and tourists poured in. And it happened quickly.
Any analogy between NYC under Lindsay and the nation under Obama has to be inexact but the similarities are striking. Among those in NYC today who support Barack Obama, John Lindsay is remembered with affection and nostalgia. Unfortunately for them, Lindsay’s record is so quantifiably dismal that few arguments are available in his defense. Of these two predominate: a) Lindsay brought the movie industry to NYC and created the New York’s contemporary cultural spirit and b)Lindsay kept the city from burning in riots like other cities were then burning.
The first defense is culturally myopic and arrogant identification with Lindsay’s carefree, what-me-worry progressivism and easily dismissed. The second defense, that Lindsay’s good relations with potential rioters and their community organizers kept NYC from burning is patently false. Rioters in other cities burned down nothing but their own neighborhoods. This for the unspoken but clearly understood reason that if they tried to burn down other people’s neighborhoods they would be shot down in the streets.
I’m not plugging Rudy Giuliani for president here. My point is that a single administration under an able administrator can radically change the environment overnight. I am not speaking here of an end to the rising of the seas or similar changes of Biblical proportioned promised by Obama on his election.
I am merely suggesting that one day after Obama is voted out of office the stock market will begin to rise dramatically. The prospect of energetically renewed domestic drilling will immediately and dramatically lower the price of gas at the pump. Investors will invest again, manufacturers will manufacture again and consumers will spend again.
Never mind the false economic realists and naysayers. It can happen overnight.
And then what happened? You elected Nanny Bloomberg. Now things are going to hell in a handbasket again. The Giuliani era was but a bump along the long term road to hell.
I am pleased to meet a like-minded optimist and conservative. All this krappe can and will be (some combination of) repealed, reversed, and defunded, with astonishing speed. The money and the business sector are primed and is ready; so is the producing segment of the people. The people have the political will to accomplish a great deal.
If I had an abiding interest in politics, I would run for something because this would be the opportune time for any conservative to run for office. Best setup I have seen for conservatism winning an election.
So I say it will start in November 2012 if not sooner; repeal, reverse, defund. The current Democrat Party is just about finished as a major party.
So now that Obama sees he is through, perhaps he will wipe himself. And flush.
Roger,
You write: “(By the way, if you taxed the rich at a hundred percent, it would only push back our bankruptcy from entitlement programs a year, possibly two.)”
Wrong. Doing so would ACCELERATE our bankruptcy since no one would work at a 100% tax rate and the gov’t would get nothing instead of the 50-60% or so it gets now. (Add up your federal taxes, including Social Security and Medicare, your state taxes including sales and property taxes, and you get to 50-60% effective tax rate for productive people, like me.)
The answer to the question is no – not without the help of the GOP. The GOP seems to be as solid in defending America as is our southern border. The GOP is the real problem -imitating the socialists, loving the abortion and deviant sex, anti-God anti-family agenda almost as much as the left. They have the record of being the worse defenders of freedom in history -as if it won’t come at great cost. There’s not a martyr in the entire party!
They are the Party of Weiners.
I’m no expert, but it seems to me that the essential
question boils down to an overarching belief in
the reality of Platonic forms, such (such as ‘Justice’,
‘Virtue’, ‘table’, ‘horse’, etc.) over the verifiable
reality required by Aristotelian logic.
Yes, that’s a valid comparison.
The Platonic Forms are a ‘virtual’ reality; i.e., non-material, just like the rhetorical utopian imagery of the Democrats…while the Aristotlian view insists that reality exists only in a material format. The GOP want specific solutions, factual policies, data-based programs…and not just the empty rhetoric and ‘words, words, words’..of the Democrats.
Will the Democratic Party Destroy Us All?”
It’s a done deal.44 gave us change,but there is little hope.Rinos & Dimwits have enriched themselves but have destroyed America.
democrats are the anti-american party.
Why? Because they are who they are and they need to have their asses beat so bad they will be forced to crawl away. Governor Perry is right. They ain’t gonna change and they ain’t never gonna like us. You are doing a terrific job with Pajamas, and this kind of thing will attract and hopefully change a lot of thoughtful younger voters, because this site is so kool. The same goes for David Mamet, another hipster who younger people will naturally follow. I hope you can find some way to team up with him. But both of you are still far too concerned with your liberal peers in Hollywood. Let them rot in their own self absorbed narcissism, and go after their kids who are probably sick and tired of their bullsh-t.
yes. obamacare (now sustained by the rinos) was the last straw. if that can’t be pulled back (somehow, pray God), then we are finished as the republic we had from the founders.
we as individuals though, we soldier on. the battle is not over. i will fight for my kids with my last breath.
What explains this political party of lemmings?
It’s because it’s a religion not a political party.
Those who vote Republican don’t think voting Republican makes them good. It’s about governance and hey, maybe even the other guy is right sometimes.
Those who vote Democrat, however, think that voting Democrat makes them super saintly and holy, which, of course, also means that any who oppose them are spawns of Hell who must be crushed with any means being allowed.
Why can’t these people wake up? Don’t they have children, grandchildren? Don’t they realize we are going broke? The evidence is everywhere — from Michigan to Madrid. Keynesian economics — the welfare state itself — has become completely inoperative, morphed into a Ponzi scheme by an aging population.
In 1923, John Maynard Keynes wrote in “A Tract on Monetary Reform”:
The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is past the ocean is flat again.
I might paraphrase this mindset with the following: “Why care about your children and grandchildren? In the end, we are all dead. Go ahead and live large today while giving the bill to generations not yet born. What have they ever done for us? Screw them, screw the future, today is all that counts.”
Two of my grandchildren visited me last night. They are 5 and 7 years old, far too young to realize how badly we’ve screwed up their future. The day will come when they curse our names.
Short answer to your title question – “Yes.”
Jean Francois Revel said “Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself.” Most Democrats simply don’t like the U.S. They have completely absorbed the “revisionist” critique of the United States (which is now received as “establishment wisdom”) as irredeemably damned by it’s history and treatment of minorities. Is it any wonder that they can’t work up any enthusiasm for warding off the impending catastrophe? After all – We deserve it.
Democrats in general and Liberals in particular are obsessed with being “nice” and pursue niceness with policies that make one feel good but ignore the “long run” mentioned so flippantly by Keynes. Hard choices must be avoided at all costs if such choices are not “nice.” It would be “nice” to have free national health care except for the “un-nice” fact that we can’t afford it.
So yes! The Democrats do what to destroy the U.S. Few except those on the very hard Left would put it that way but the death wish is there. It would be OK if it was only Democrats that would be affected but they want to take everyone down with us.
The Democratic Party did not used to be this reactionary. Hell, even guys like Rick Perry used to be Democrats. Reagan was a Democrat, once upon a time.
I think they have become the sum of all their parts. They do not seem beyond their base. This kind of party can exist in a parliamentary system, but it does not do to well in a two party system.
This is the woman we fell in love with and the left is trying to destroy. Listen closely. She is a prophet who has been proven right in her own time. And she knows what needs to be done. She did it in Alaska.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2008/sarahpalin2008rnc.htm
In the last century of the Roman Empire, the average Roman citizen thought life would go on forever as it had in the past. When the collapse came, nothing was ever the same again. We are living in the last century of the American Age, I can’t say what will replace this, (probably chaos and poverty), but after the coming collapse, nothing will ever be the same for us living today.
And D.C. is our Mount Vesuvius.
roger’s post and the comments are some of the most fascinating i have read in ages. a true learning experience. thank you
it f***ing doesn’t matter, left or right, because they’re both guilty. You can substitute every single left-slamming statement posted here with a right-slammer who fits the profile and guess what – they are all a$$holes. I’ll
Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.
That’s what has happened to America.
Thanks for everything.
And please don’t follow me to New Zealand there are no jobs here either…
How many times, in how many countries, have we seen it happen.
A radical faction takes over first the largest party, then the congress,
then the presidency, and then begins nationalizing whole sectors of industry.
No, Mr. Simon, they are not planning on paying the debt back.
It is merely a temporary tool to ensure permanent power.
‘They’ will never give up power again.
Governments become political mafias.
The members’ loyalties are to co-operating ‘Families’, similar in structure and code to the several ‘Families’ of La Cosa Nostra. Thus their durablilty, corruption, and conspiracy. We are merely the marks, the rubes, the cattle.
Much does not seem to make sense- why?
Because of the unseen, covert influence of globalized, government-sponsored mafias- the foreign element. The ‘mortgage meltdown’ was no accident.
We are seeing economic war- a war of exotic financial instruments, legislative consolidation, front organizations, hot money laundering, and diplomatic connivance, not cannons and uniforms.
During WWII, massive global supply chains developed.
When the soldiers came home, did the ‘biznis’ stop?
A robust economic strata developed far above the borders, and above the laws, of any one or few nations.
It can be called a ‘stratosphere class’, or perhaps a ‘spy economy’, or the ‘Cold War’ economic structure.
To it’s players, America is to this Cold War economy, as Texas is to America-
an key part, but by no means the whole chessboard.
No, sir, the Party is not trying to destroy America.
Merely to rule it as their feifdom.
The Republicans will continue to exist as a pretend opposition; as loyal outliers, tertiary families, to the ruling Families.
Our Family has struck a truce, and its’ members are working with other Families
overseas.
Regional nomenklatura- public-private international conglomerates, with both covert and publicized programs, are replacing territorial nation-states.
This is the legacy of FDR’s Exchange Stabiliztion Board, formed in 1940, which became Bretton Woods, the IMF, the World Bank– and the CIA.
The Democrat Party formed our world system, and it is based on a covert spy fund. Much as real domestic Democrat power was composed of the Klan, the Mob, and socialists. Similar structures existed in, or were exchanged with, other countries.
What we’re seeing is 1914, not 1929; that was the last time we saw a change of this magnitude.
Within 3 years, 500 years of empire had been replaced by federal nation-states.
We are seeing a realignment of the world, not it’s end.
However, it is, I’m afraid, the end of ‘by Consent of the Governed’.
If you work hard, and are born right, maybe you or your children can join…
the Family.
Conservatives are so pathetic. Yes, we are getting broke. Yes, Iran is getting the bomb.
To the left those are not reasons to worry. They are signs they are on the right track.
If you are talking about true leftists, I just don’t have a damn clue. They lived a significant portion of their lives in the 20th century and did not learn a single thing. There a two kinds of stupid, and “won’t learn stupid” is certainly the strongest of the two.
However, if you are talking about the working class herd of Democrat voters that are in many, many ways more conservative than you, I ask you to consider those strange guys who paint a single letter on their naked torsos and stand in below zero weather at a NFL game in January until their nipples freeze off. All they know is they love their team. It does not matter to them if they cannot stand even one individual member of their team. It is their team, right or wrong.
You want to change the vote of working class Democrats with families and normal American lives? Help them see that they are no longer watching the same team they originally loved. Nobody in Boston still feels compelled to love the Braves, nobody in Cleveland still feels compelled to love the Rams, and my guess is there aren’t many folks in Minnesota that still love the Lakers. We need to help a lot of people see that their team left town.
I can explain it. Its pure, unadulterated hatred for everything that used to be good, decent, and just in America. The left is filled with spoiled, willful children, resentful of any attempt to impose discipline. Stubbornly determined to live according to their self-destructive whims, willing, wanting to destroy any voice of restraint; not to build something different in its place, but only from evil, life-hating spite.