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		<title>By: AZFlyBoy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/11/10/acorn-jerry-browns-new-medfly-scandal/#comment-178825</link>
		<dc:creator>AZFlyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so glad I live in Arizona.  I worked on Brown&#039;s first campaign, before he became governor moonbeam.  What a nut job. Do you know that in Arizona we can even fly the American Flag on cinco de mayo?  California used to be the promised land of opportunity.  Now it just makes promises to all the non-producers and parasites in order to get votes.  Like most politicians, Brown sees his job as getting elected, at any cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so glad I live in Arizona.  I worked on Brown&#8217;s first campaign, before he became governor moonbeam.  What a nut job. Do you know that in Arizona we can even fly the American Flag on cinco de mayo?  California used to be the promised land of opportunity.  Now it just makes promises to all the non-producers and parasites in order to get votes.  Like most politicians, Brown sees his job as getting elected, at any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived in California all my life, half a century. I remember Jerry pretty well, Pat (his dad) only vaguely, after he left office. Unlike most Dems, Jerry actually walks the walk instead of just talking a lot. He famously refused to live in the Governor&#039;s mansion, and ever since the state hasn&#039;t had one. Since we don&#039;t have poor homeless people elected as Governor of the Golden State, this actually makes sense. The millionaires have to pay for their own housing. He also drove himself to work in a rather mundane car, as opposed to riding around in a limo with a driver.

On a more serious note, Jerry had an interesting influence on American politics (at least in my opinion) and it&#039;s not all bad. When he was Governor, the Democratic party was almost exclusively focused, in terms of Law and Order and criminal affairs, on the rights of the accused. The words &quot;victim&#039;s rights&quot; hadn&#039;t been uttered yet, defense lawyers defending rapists were allowed to quiz victims about the length of their skirts, and California couldn&#039;t pass a use-a-gun-go-to-prison law that didn&#039;t get overturned by the state Supreme Court. Liberals had no time for straights who lost some of their vast wealth; most thought that many criminals in prison were reincarnations of Jean Valjean.

At the end of his governorship, Brown ran for Senator and lost. Just prior to, or after, his defeat, he made a speech to the state Democratic Convention, and lambasted the party for its attitude towards crime and criminals. He said that the party was &quot;kidding itself&quot; if it thought they could continue with this attitude indefinitely. Somewhere around the same time we had the Mosconi/Milk/Dan White fiasco, and between those two events, the liberal community became considerably less sympathetic to criminals and crime than they were before.

As an aside, Brown&#039;s abortive campaign for Senator was marked by a couple of amusing incidents. At one point he was so short of money that Johnny Carson told his audience that if they gave money to the Hare Krishna at the airport, it might be Jerry. Around the same time, his opponent in the Democratic primary was (of all people) Gore Vidal, who dubbed Jerry &quot;Lord of the Flies&quot;. Unfortunately for Gore, the state isn&#039;t that literary or literate, so he didn&#039;t do very well against Jerry, who lost to ... I don&#039;t remember...

Regardless, one of the hallmarks of Jerry&#039;s political career so far is what others mentioned in the comments above: quirky liberalism. He often espoused things that didn&#039;t work, or that weren&#039;t popular, because he thought them right. He&#039;s not that effective a politician, and he&#039;s famously willing to buck convention when it suits him. In a strange way, his being Pat Brown&#039;s son seems to have liberated him: he doesn&#039;t have to kowtow to various interests in the Democratic Party, and so he doesn&#039;t. On the other hand, he can definitely be a goofball, and make serious boneheaded errors while in his goofy stage.

So my view on the scandals? I seriously doubt he knew the idiot was taping conversations; my guess is he was livid when it was revealed. As for this other taped speech where the guy opines that Brown will &quot;do the right thing&quot; and torpedo the investigation...I&#039;d be surprised if he tried that, and I&#039;m certain if he did he wouldn&#039;t get anywhere. We have at least 3 journalists locally who specialize in the hidden camera &quot;gotcha&quot; school of journalism on our local news broadcasts, never mind 60 Minutes. Anyone can see the hypocrisy of prosecuting a conservative for doing it, but allowing everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in California all my life, half a century. I remember Jerry pretty well, Pat (his dad) only vaguely, after he left office. Unlike most Dems, Jerry actually walks the walk instead of just talking a lot. He famously refused to live in the Governor&#8217;s mansion, and ever since the state hasn&#8217;t had one. Since we don&#8217;t have poor homeless people elected as Governor of the Golden State, this actually makes sense. The millionaires have to pay for their own housing. He also drove himself to work in a rather mundane car, as opposed to riding around in a limo with a driver.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, Jerry had an interesting influence on American politics (at least in my opinion) and it&#8217;s not all bad. When he was Governor, the Democratic party was almost exclusively focused, in terms of Law and Order and criminal affairs, on the rights of the accused. The words &#8220;victim&#8217;s rights&#8221; hadn&#8217;t been uttered yet, defense lawyers defending rapists were allowed to quiz victims about the length of their skirts, and California couldn&#8217;t pass a use-a-gun-go-to-prison law that didn&#8217;t get overturned by the state Supreme Court. Liberals had no time for straights who lost some of their vast wealth; most thought that many criminals in prison were reincarnations of Jean Valjean.</p>
<p>At the end of his governorship, Brown ran for Senator and lost. Just prior to, or after, his defeat, he made a speech to the state Democratic Convention, and lambasted the party for its attitude towards crime and criminals. He said that the party was &#8220;kidding itself&#8221; if it thought they could continue with this attitude indefinitely. Somewhere around the same time we had the Mosconi/Milk/Dan White fiasco, and between those two events, the liberal community became considerably less sympathetic to criminals and crime than they were before.</p>
<p>As an aside, Brown&#8217;s abortive campaign for Senator was marked by a couple of amusing incidents. At one point he was so short of money that Johnny Carson told his audience that if they gave money to the Hare Krishna at the airport, it might be Jerry. Around the same time, his opponent in the Democratic primary was (of all people) Gore Vidal, who dubbed Jerry &#8220;Lord of the Flies&#8221;. Unfortunately for Gore, the state isn&#8217;t that literary or literate, so he didn&#8217;t do very well against Jerry, who lost to &#8230; I don&#8217;t remember&#8230;</p>
<p>Regardless, one of the hallmarks of Jerry&#8217;s political career so far is what others mentioned in the comments above: quirky liberalism. He often espoused things that didn&#8217;t work, or that weren&#8217;t popular, because he thought them right. He&#8217;s not that effective a politician, and he&#8217;s famously willing to buck convention when it suits him. In a strange way, his being Pat Brown&#8217;s son seems to have liberated him: he doesn&#8217;t have to kowtow to various interests in the Democratic Party, and so he doesn&#8217;t. On the other hand, he can definitely be a goofball, and make serious boneheaded errors while in his goofy stage.</p>
<p>So my view on the scandals? I seriously doubt he knew the idiot was taping conversations; my guess is he was livid when it was revealed. As for this other taped speech where the guy opines that Brown will &#8220;do the right thing&#8221; and torpedo the investigation&#8230;I&#8217;d be surprised if he tried that, and I&#8217;m certain if he did he wouldn&#8217;t get anywhere. We have at least 3 journalists locally who specialize in the hidden camera &#8220;gotcha&#8221; school of journalism on our local news broadcasts, never mind 60 Minutes. Anyone can see the hypocrisy of prosecuting a conservative for doing it, but allowing everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/11/10/acorn-jerry-browns-new-medfly-scandal/#comment-141623</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39.  I stand corrected.  The clips of her I had seen recently are those when she was a hot performer.  I abase myself.  However, she was a hot babe when she was shacking with Brown.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39.  I stand corrected.  The clips of her I had seen recently are those when she was a hot performer.  I abase myself.  However, she was a hot babe when she was shacking with Brown.  <img src='http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twoninerkilo:

True -- Linda&#039;s roughly the size of the State of California now.</description>
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<p>True &#8212; Linda&#8217;s roughly the size of the State of California now.</p>
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		<title>By: betsy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/11/10/acorn-jerry-browns-new-medfly-scandal/#comment-141611</link>
		<dc:creator>betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you hear Jerry Brown being interviewed on the 790 am morning show last week?  If memory serves, he and the host agreed the filmmakers were in trouble because they filmed the ACORN people without obtaining their permission first.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s correct [does someone advocating criminal behavior have an expectation of privacy?] and even if it were, wouldn&#039;t many other people [Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes comes to mind] be in line ahead of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you hear Jerry Brown being interviewed on the 790 am morning show last week?  If memory serves, he and the host agreed the filmmakers were in trouble because they filmed the ACORN people without obtaining their permission first.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s correct [does someone advocating criminal behavior have an expectation of privacy?] and even if it were, wouldn&#8217;t many other people [Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes comes to mind] be in line ahead of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Barefoot Doctor</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/11/10/acorn-jerry-browns-new-medfly-scandal/#comment-141610</link>
		<dc:creator>Barefoot Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got y&#039;all beat: When we were kids with Jerry, we would say that he was so clueless that he would bring a roll of toilet paper to a crap game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got y&#8217;all beat: When we were kids with Jerry, we would say that he was so clueless that he would bring a roll of toilet paper to a crap game.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My California daze go all the way back to when Jerry&#039;s dad was governor and I was in the Pageant of the Masters* and Pat came back stage and some of the Pageant&#039;s nudes got autographs.  (pretty steamy stuff to observe for a young kid :) )

*reproductions of works of art, mostly paintings, using living models

But I digress.

My fondest memory of Jerry was his deep &amp; heavy pot smoking daze.  

He&#039;s the guy who won&#039;t go quietly into the night.  If this is the best Californians can do as would be gov., God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My California daze go all the way back to when Jerry&#8217;s dad was governor and I was in the Pageant of the Masters* and Pat came back stage and some of the Pageant&#8217;s nudes got autographs.  (pretty steamy stuff to observe for a young kid <img src='http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>*reproductions of works of art, mostly paintings, using living models</p>
<p>But I digress.</p>
<p>My fondest memory of Jerry was his deep &amp; heavy pot smoking daze.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s the guy who won&#8217;t go quietly into the night.  If this is the best Californians can do as would be gov., God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: twoninerkilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>twoninerkilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul-Indiana# 37: Have you seen Linda Rhonstadt lately? If you have I wont comment on your taste in women, or your in dire need of a new pair of glasses. Couple that with the fact that she&#039;s even more left looney than Moon Beam, and you don&#039;t have a winning combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul-Indiana# 37: Have you seen Linda Rhonstadt lately? If you have I wont comment on your taste in women, or your in dire need of a new pair of glasses. Couple that with the fact that she&#8217;s even more left looney than Moon Beam, and you don&#8217;t have a winning combination.</p>
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		<title>By: wGraves</title>
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		<dc:creator>wGraves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.&quot; -- Archimedes

The fixing of elections is a very long lever indeed.  ACORN is it&#039;s fulcrum.  It appears to be a political machine, a la Chicago or Tammany Hall, but national in it&#039;s scope.  If Brown is mixed up in it, then we have a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.&#8221; &#8212; Archimedes</p>
<p>The fixing of elections is a very long lever indeed.  ACORN is it&#8217;s fulcrum.  It appears to be a political machine, a la Chicago or Tammany Hall, but national in it&#8217;s scope.  If Brown is mixed up in it, then we have a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry&#039;s former taste in women, particularly Linda Rhonstadt is his peak in my view.  She&#039;s still a babe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry&#8217;s former taste in women, particularly Linda Rhonstadt is his peak in my view.  She&#8217;s still a babe.</p>
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