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		<title>By: Robert Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/10/11/doesnt-al-gore-ever-wonder-if-hes-wrong/#comment-139801</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Jackson, Wy, and three times glaciers have filled our valley, with ice up to 3500 feet thick. All three times the glacial ice melted. It wasn&#039;t because of cattle burping on the planes, or methane gas from their droppings, it wasn&#039;t from coal fired electrical generation plants, or auto emissions, &quot; IT JUST WARMED UP&quot;! That was was a cyclical phenomenum that has occurred since the beginning of time. The earth is either heating or cooling, and on it&#039;s own, not because of man. We don&#039;t need to make it any worse obviously, however we give ourselves too much credit if we think global climate change (not warming) is an anthropogenic occurrence. Get the scientist involved and the politicians out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Jackson, Wy, and three times glaciers have filled our valley, with ice up to 3500 feet thick. All three times the glacial ice melted. It wasn&#8217;t because of cattle burping on the planes, or methane gas from their droppings, it wasn&#8217;t from coal fired electrical generation plants, or auto emissions, &#8221; IT JUST WARMED UP&#8221;! That was was a cyclical phenomenum that has occurred since the beginning of time. The earth is either heating or cooling, and on it&#8217;s own, not because of man. We don&#8217;t need to make it any worse obviously, however we give ourselves too much credit if we think global climate change (not warming) is an anthropogenic occurrence. Get the scientist involved and the politicians out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastorius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastorius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, do care that he return his Oscar, Nobel, and that he issue an apology.

During the course of my lifetime, I have been lied to repeatedly by scientific alarmists;

1) When I was 11, I was told by my teachers that the Earth&#039;s overpopulation was going to force us to eat each other like rats in cages

2) When I was 12, I was told by my teachers that we were headed into an Ice Age which would bring about worldwide famine

3) When I was 17, I was told by politicians and teachers that Reagan was going to start a nuclear war and the scientists told me that a nuclear winter was inevitable

4) When I was 18, my Biology professor told me that we would surely run out of oil by 1989

5) Other science professors (and non-science professors) convinced me we were clogging the Earth with plastics, we were losing forestation around the world, and we were surely going to destroy the Earth

6) For the last 10 years or so, I&#039;ve been listening to the AGW crap.

After having been lied to so many times, I now recognize the lie when it comes at me. I have no doubt AGW is a lie. Any time a politician, backed up by a scientist, tells me there is a problem we have to fix RIGHT NOW, or else the Earth will be devastated, I check my wallet to see if it is still in my back pocket. In fact, I usually move it to my front pocket, when they are not looking.

All of these alarmists scams have been attempted shakedowns by the scientific community, and gradually Leftists have adopted the Green agenda as they&#039;ve learned there is money and power in it.

Green is the new Red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, do care that he return his Oscar, Nobel, and that he issue an apology.</p>
<p>During the course of my lifetime, I have been lied to repeatedly by scientific alarmists;</p>
<p>1) When I was 11, I was told by my teachers that the Earth&#8217;s overpopulation was going to force us to eat each other like rats in cages</p>
<p>2) When I was 12, I was told by my teachers that we were headed into an Ice Age which would bring about worldwide famine</p>
<p>3) When I was 17, I was told by politicians and teachers that Reagan was going to start a nuclear war and the scientists told me that a nuclear winter was inevitable</p>
<p>4) When I was 18, my Biology professor told me that we would surely run out of oil by 1989</p>
<p>5) Other science professors (and non-science professors) convinced me we were clogging the Earth with plastics, we were losing forestation around the world, and we were surely going to destroy the Earth</p>
<p>6) For the last 10 years or so, I&#8217;ve been listening to the AGW crap.</p>
<p>After having been lied to so many times, I now recognize the lie when it comes at me. I have no doubt AGW is a lie. Any time a politician, backed up by a scientist, tells me there is a problem we have to fix RIGHT NOW, or else the Earth will be devastated, I check my wallet to see if it is still in my back pocket. In fact, I usually move it to my front pocket, when they are not looking.</p>
<p>All of these alarmists scams have been attempted shakedowns by the scientific community, and gradually Leftists have adopted the Green agenda as they&#8217;ve learned there is money and power in it.</p>
<p>Green is the new Red.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger L Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Jack, and with all due respect, this blogger completely supports Darwin and is entirely unconvinced by intelligent design.  In fact, I regard THe Origin of Species as one of the most brilliant works ever written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Jack, and with all due respect, this blogger completely supports Darwin and is entirely unconvinced by intelligent design.  In fact, I regard THe Origin of Species as one of the most brilliant works ever written.</p>
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		<title>By: jack in silver spring</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack in silver spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahem @16 - I agree. I think he lost his mind after he lost the election.

Bill Manuel @19 - Spot on.  Belief in anthropogenic global warming is a religion; that&#039;s why we&#039;re now called, &quot;global warming deniers,&quot; instead of skeptics.

Eowyn @24 - You&#039;re absolutely right. Some scientists now express deep skepticism about the Darwinian model, both in terms of origin of life problems and macro-evolution problems; accidents simply take too long and 
(apparent) irreducible complexity makes it impossible for things to happen naturally.  Anti-Darwinists instead of being termed scientific skeptics are termed religious fanatics. The is the usual leftist approach. When you can&#039;t refute the evidence use ad hominem attacks on those refuting you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahem @16 &#8211; I agree. I think he lost his mind after he lost the election.</p>
<p>Bill Manuel @19 &#8211; Spot on.  Belief in anthropogenic global warming is a religion; that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re now called, &#8220;global warming deniers,&#8221; instead of skeptics.</p>
<p>Eowyn @24 &#8211; You&#8217;re absolutely right. Some scientists now express deep skepticism about the Darwinian model, both in terms of origin of life problems and macro-evolution problems; accidents simply take too long and<br />
(apparent) irreducible complexity makes it impossible for things to happen naturally.  Anti-Darwinists instead of being termed scientific skeptics are termed religious fanatics. The is the usual leftist approach. When you can&#8217;t refute the evidence use ad hominem attacks on those refuting you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

&lt;blockquote&gt;which ones correctly predicted&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Short-term fluctuations are a stochastic process; they are unpredictable.

If you want to understand what climate models were built for, and what they predict;

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/

&lt;blockquote&gt;that warming would cease in 1998&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Warming has not ceased. The recent eleven years are consistent with a long-term warming trend.

Suggested reading;

http://www.amazon.com/Statistical-Analysis-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Multivariate/dp/0942154991/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1255520670&amp;sr=8-1

and more advanced;

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Analysis-Its-Applications-Statistics/dp/0387293175/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1255520758&amp;sr=1-2

&lt;blockquote&gt;To be trusted, computer models must be verified by testing or by actual observations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Has been done, for donkeys years, and is still ongoing. Read the aip link.

&lt;blockquote&gt;why is 30 years of moderate warming statistically significant?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Depends on the system. For climate it&#039;s the minimum length of time needed to detect a climate response to typical changes in forcing. For a shorter period noise (internal unforced variability) swamps the signal. That&#039;s what statistical tests show.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Little Ice Age lasted far longer than that. It was a temporary natural fluctuation in climate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was a response to known changes in volcanic and solar forcing. It was not an expression of unforced internal variability.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many climate alarmists&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A few silly journalists.

&lt;blockquote&gt;computer models that “proved” that the cooling trend would continue unabated&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No they didn&#039;t :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<blockquote><p>which ones correctly predicted</p></blockquote>
<p>Short-term fluctuations are a stochastic process; they are unpredictable.</p>
<p>If you want to understand what climate models were built for, and what they predict;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>that warming would cease in 1998</p></blockquote>
<p>Warming has not ceased. The recent eleven years are consistent with a long-term warming trend.</p>
<p>Suggested reading;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Statistical-Analysis-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Multivariate/dp/0942154991/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255520670&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Statistical-Analysis-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Multivariate/dp/0942154991/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255520670&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>and more advanced;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Time-Analysis-Its-Applications-Statistics/dp/0387293175/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255520758&#038;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Time-Analysis-Its-Applications-Statistics/dp/0387293175/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1255520758&#038;sr=1-2</a></p>
<blockquote><p>To be trusted, computer models must be verified by testing or by actual observations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Has been done, for donkeys years, and is still ongoing. Read the aip link.</p>
<blockquote><p>why is 30 years of moderate warming statistically significant?</p></blockquote>
<p>Depends on the system. For climate it&#8217;s the minimum length of time needed to detect a climate response to typical changes in forcing. For a shorter period noise (internal unforced variability) swamps the signal. That&#8217;s what statistical tests show.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Little Ice Age lasted far longer than that. It was a temporary natural fluctuation in climate.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was a response to known changes in volcanic and solar forcing. It was not an expression of unforced internal variability.</p>
<blockquote><p>Many climate alarmists</p></blockquote>
<p>A few silly journalists.</p>
<blockquote><p>computer models that “proved” that the cooling trend would continue unabated</p></blockquote>
<p>No they didn&#8217;t <img src='http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Wikepedia it says that &quot;at Vostok scientists have difficulty breathing because there is no CO2 in the air&quot;.
If this is so how could Al Gore have measured it in the ice cores for his film? I know it wasn&#039;t him, but I&#039;ve wondered this ever since I saw the statement in Wikepedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Wikepedia it says that &#8220;at Vostok scientists have difficulty breathing because there is no CO2 in the air&#8221;.<br />
If this is so how could Al Gore have measured it in the ice cores for his film? I know it wasn&#8217;t him, but I&#8217;ve wondered this ever since I saw the statement in Wikepedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39. Lazar,
Yes, climate and weather are not the same thing.  But, of the dozens of climate computer models, which ones correctly predicted that warming would cease in 1998 and even cool slightly?  I think the answer is none.  Computer models are only as accurate as their underlying assumptions.  To be trusted, computer models must be verified by testing or by actual observations.  These computer models predicted additional warming from 1998 to the present.  They failed the test of real life observations.  People who insist we radically change our lifestyles and our sources of energy and our economies are making these arguments on the basis of computer models that we know to be flawed.  This is crazy.

Yeah, 11 years might be a statistical squiggle but why is 30 years of moderate warming statistically significant?  The Little Ice Age lasted far longer than that.  It was a temporary natural fluctuation in climate.  Many climate alarmists went just as crazy during a global cooling squiggle during the 1970s.  And yes, they also trotted out computer models that &quot;proved&quot; that the cooling trend would continue unabated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39. Lazar,<br />
Yes, climate and weather are not the same thing.  But, of the dozens of climate computer models, which ones correctly predicted that warming would cease in 1998 and even cool slightly?  I think the answer is none.  Computer models are only as accurate as their underlying assumptions.  To be trusted, computer models must be verified by testing or by actual observations.  These computer models predicted additional warming from 1998 to the present.  They failed the test of real life observations.  People who insist we radically change our lifestyles and our sources of energy and our economies are making these arguments on the basis of computer models that we know to be flawed.  This is crazy.</p>
<p>Yeah, 11 years might be a statistical squiggle but why is 30 years of moderate warming statistically significant?  The Little Ice Age lasted far longer than that.  It was a temporary natural fluctuation in climate.  Many climate alarmists went just as crazy during a global cooling squiggle during the 1970s.  And yes, they also trotted out computer models that &#8220;proved&#8221; that the cooling trend would continue unabated.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know, I know – climate has nothing to do with weather (or so I’ve been told ad nauseum).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then why do you and the Instaclutz repeatedly make a comparison which you know is both irrelevant and misleading?

&lt;blockquote&gt;what does it have to do with?&lt;blockquote&gt;

We are incredibly lucky to live in a time when the citizen can access information that is several orders of magnitude larger than any library has ever held.

It is the responsibility of the citizen journalist to look this stuff up.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/

&lt;blockquote&gt;According to the BBC&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why is fact-checking the dinosaur media all of a sudden so passe? Eleven-year squiggles are a) meaningless b) expected c) reproduced. Have you asked which dataset their anonymous source used (there are eight), why they selected a time interval that is a third of the length that is necessary for extracting a climatological signal, what significance criterion were used, what the results of significance testing were, and whether any testing was done on that short-term trend being significantly different from the long-term linear trend since circa 1972?

&lt;blockquote&gt;the world has been cooling since 1998&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So the Chinese whispers go.
&#039;the BBC&#039; wrote;

&lt;blockquote&gt;we have not observed any increase&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...

&lt;blockquote&gt;it should be a warning that when politicians talk about science, we should beware&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What does &#039;it&#039; refer to? And does &quot;politicians&quot; include James Inhofe, and the entire Republican leadership of both houses and the relevant committees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know, I know – climate has nothing to do with weather (or so I’ve been told ad nauseum).</p></blockquote>
<p>Then why do you and the Instaclutz repeatedly make a comparison which you know is both irrelevant and misleading?</p>
<blockquote><p>what does it have to do with?<br />
<blockquote>
<p>We are incredibly lucky to live in a time when the citizen can access information that is several orders of magnitude larger than any library has ever held.</p>
<p>It is the responsibility of the citizen journalist to look this stuff up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the BBC</p></blockquote>
<p>Why is fact-checking the dinosaur media all of a sudden so passe? Eleven-year squiggles are a) meaningless b) expected c) reproduced. Have you asked which dataset their anonymous source used (there are eight), why they selected a time interval that is a third of the length that is necessary for extracting a climatological signal, what significance criterion were used, what the results of significance testing were, and whether any testing was done on that short-term trend being significantly different from the long-term linear trend since circa 1972?</p>
<blockquote><p>the world has been cooling since 1998</p></blockquote>
<p>So the Chinese whispers go.<br />
&#8216;the BBC&#8217; wrote;</p>
<blockquote><p>we have not observed any increase</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>it should be a warning that when politicians talk about science, we should beware</p></blockquote>
<p>What does &#8216;it&#8217; refer to? And does &#8220;politicians&#8221; include James Inhofe, and the entire Republican leadership of both houses and the relevant committees?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: richardb</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never considered man made global warming as plausible for the simple reason that carbon dioxide is the foundation of life on earth.  To claim it is a pollutant means nature has designed a system where the act of breathing is causing harm to the planet and to ourselves.  This is nonsense to me.   Its madness to me.

There are many other objections based on science rather than common sense.  There is also the fact that Al Gore has a financial interest in promoting man made global warming as does many on the radical left.  Van Jones gave all of us an education on the benefits to the left of regulating carbon and how it benefits the radical left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never considered man made global warming as plausible for the simple reason that carbon dioxide is the foundation of life on earth.  To claim it is a pollutant means nature has designed a system where the act of breathing is causing harm to the planet and to ourselves.  This is nonsense to me.   Its madness to me.</p>
<p>There are many other objections based on science rather than common sense.  There is also the fact that Al Gore has a financial interest in promoting man made global warming as does many on the radical left.  Van Jones gave all of us an education on the benefits to the left of regulating carbon and how it benefits the radical left.</p>
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		<title>By: Tori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked your comments. Just to add a little more about it however, look up the Kyoto protocol. This protocol has made it hear in Great Britain. It is basically just a treaty wherin the industrialized or industrializing nations agree that they will lower their CO2 levels by 5% form their levels as of 1990. This is a huge undertaking. 

Jaques Chirac said of it that Kyoto is &quot;the first component of an authentic global governance.&quot; The goal is to garner strict control over corporate actions and individual behavior. 

According to the other half of scientists global warming and or cooling is a cycle. Oh, and according to Al we will go into the next iceage through global warming. Go figure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your comments. Just to add a little more about it however, look up the Kyoto protocol. This protocol has made it hear in Great Britain. It is basically just a treaty wherin the industrialized or industrializing nations agree that they will lower their CO2 levels by 5% form their levels as of 1990. This is a huge undertaking. </p>
<p>Jaques Chirac said of it that Kyoto is &#8220;the first component of an authentic global governance.&#8221; The goal is to garner strict control over corporate actions and individual behavior. </p>
<p>According to the other half of scientists global warming and or cooling is a cycle. Oh, and according to Al we will go into the next iceage through global warming. Go figure</p>
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