No WMDs in Iraq? Guess what hypocrites, no genocide or “rape camps” in Serbia either.

Truth and facts are wasted on these people, Webrider. They WANT their country to be the bad guy. As long as they do, you will never reach them. They see you as their enemy.

Yeah, I thought it best to use journalistic sources that actually researched the matter, and provided where they got their info instead of just pulling it out of someone’s butt, which seems to be the way right wingers like their information served.

As far as Mapes go, Dan Rather’s lawsuit seems to be vindicating her in small incremental steps. Of course people who weren’t complete blithering idiots about common early 70′s office tech, Bush’s DoD records, and the format for old Memorandums for Records knew that while Mapes was incompetent, at least she wasn’t as clueless and/or deceptive as the likes of “Buckhead” and Charles Johnson on that little matter.

Sorry to rain on your right wing BS parade, but Plame *was* covert and Wilson *did not* lie.

Victoria Toensing was indeed chief counsel to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at one point and indeed helped draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, but that was a lonnnng time ago, and at the time of the Plame business she was no more than just a another weaselly Republican lawyer with absolutely no CIA connections, including not having any knowledge of the Plame case beyond what anyone would get online or in newspaper, as well as also being a personal friend of Novak. Go see how disengenuous she is in this hearing on the matter:
http://crooksandliars.com/2007/03/16/waxman-v-toensing/

And it was the Republicans who were lying their butts off in regards to Wilson, especially the ones on the Senate Select Committee: Chairman Pat Roberts, Orrin Hatch and Christopher Bond. They tried to feed the GOP talking points smears about Wilson into the committee report, but had to mostly settle with sticking them in as an opinion piece in a supplement to the report called “Additional Views.” But they then went on, especially Hatch, to misrepresent their little personal smear supplement has being somehow the conclusion of the main report, which it wasn’t at all. That let toadying, lying apologists like Stephen Hayes to claim or at the least deceptively imply, that Wilson was discredited in the report.

Thems are the facts — you are on so on the wrong side here. Sorry.

Hah. MSNBC and the Boston Globe as your source? Thats like Primakov pointing to Pravda. Priceless. Thanks for the early morning laugh. Maybe you can back it up with a memo from Mary Mapes?

The finding is a lie. We did find WMD stocks in Iraq. I served with troops who saw them firsthand, including a navy intell that was in the CoC taking the reports. It’ll all come out years from now, after some of our NBC equipment is upgraded out of public view. We’re still fighting other fronts in this war, ya know.

Valerie Plame was NOT covert, period. This was stated by the US official who wrote the act, Victoria Toensing. You can look it up. As for Joe Wilson, he lied about his trip, who sponsored it, and what the results were. By his own admission, the Prime Minister of Niger told him that Saddam was trying to negotiate with them about “economic opportunities”, and other than chick peas, they don’t have much to sell other than yellow cake. Yet Wilson, on a political agenda, lied about that, and then wrote a totally specious op-ed in the NYT which was well refuted by facts. It was an attempt to undermine our entire effort, and that WAS TREASONOUS, not what the Bush Administration was doing.

There was no illegal wiretapping, but there were anxious people charged with protecting us that tried to take it too far. Ashcroft stopped it, so the Bush Administration did not do anything illegal there. They went the proper route, rewrote several aspects of the FISA Act, which your hero Obama voted for!

Al-Queda was in Iraq before the war. Zarqawi was given sanctuary in Iraq by Saddam and operated an Al-Queda cell and training camp freely in the Kurdish area. Saddam also operated a terrorist training camp, complete with an old fuselage of a Boeing 707 to train how to commandeer flights. The training camp was at Salman Pak.

As noted by NeoKon, we were in a constant state of war with Iraq following the end of the first gulf war because Saddam did not abide by the treaty conditions. President Bush noted that it had nothing to do with 9/11 as far as Saddam being a sponsor of that, rather he noted that it was to keep him from doing so in the future, along with other policy positions. Bill Clinton made it official US policy to effect regime change in Iraq. What you, and others ignore is that all available intelligence said that Saddam was reconstituting his WMD programs as fast as he could, and in the dark days following 9/11 there was great fear that he would provide them to Al-Queda (through Zarqawi et. al.) Remember George Tenet saying that the WMD’s were a “slam dunk”? While you can say that intelligence was faulty, since we didn’t find any, you can’t say they lied or exaggerated it, doing that is a lie. There is also an unanswered question about the huge convoy of heavy semi-freighters that were filmed at the border with Syria just before actual combat began. Most analysts think that Saddam shipped most, if not all of them into Syria to avoid being caught with them. I do not know why there hasn’t been any concerted effort to track that down, but there hasn’t. Most think they ended up in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon (remember, Lebanon is essentially still a possession of Syria.)

Abu Ghraib was a result of poor command by the cashiered General who allowed things to get out of control. The perpetrators were tried and convicted, and that does NOT mean that the US (and Bush administration) condoned it. Rather, it shows they did not. As I said, I do not consider waterboarding torture, even though I’m glad I don’t anticipate ever having to go through it, as it would be terrifying. Yet, we regularly subject our own Special OPS soldiers, airmen and sailors to it during their basic training. As for the geneva convention, it ONLY APPLIES TO FORMAL MILITARY ACTIONS. That seems to be something no one on the left will ever admit to, or even attempt to understand. We do abide with it where applicable. Our military field handbooks demand it, and lay out expected penalties for failure to follow it!

The attorneys fired were fired for cause, not because of any intent to cover things up or failure to follow an agenda, but even if it were the latter, that’s the President’s right to do. He sets the agenda, and has every right to expect those working for his administration to adhere to it. Failure to do so, only shows a weak administrative procedure. The NYT has been on a witch hunt ever since Bush was first elected, and has basically been dishonest about nearly everything they write with respect to virtually anything the Bush administration does. Many media outlets pick up the NYT leads as a matter of course, hence the widespread misinformation about the attorney firings. As I said before, it is paltry compared to what Clinton did in firing them all, save one to cover his shenanigans in Arkansas. Where was the outrage over that?

Abrogating “many” treaties? You mean the ABM treaty? Thank God he did, if he hadn’t we wouldn’t have the significantly improved anti-missile technology we now have, which should help protect us from true “rogue” nations like Iran and North Korea. That is the only treaty I’m aware of him tossing out, and it was the right thing to do.

Yes, if you won’t face facts and accept reality, you’re wasting your time. The things you point out are false, and you have no facts to show they are true.

I am so emotionally invested in politics that sometimes I write stuff and read it later and can’t believe I was so vulgar. And you were on the receiving end of one of these mini rants. Sorry. Next time I write nasty stuff I’ll try to delete it before I send it.
Regards,
Rachel