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		<title>By: Reporters Notebook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From Apple To Lemons</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reporters Notebook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From Apple To Lemons</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/11/10/should-we-bail-out-big-auto/#comment-130855</link>
		<dc:creator>Reporters Notebook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; From Apple To Lemons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gippergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gippergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Jobs any day, man! You raise an interesting point about whether the government should bail out the industry in order to try to stay competitive globally. 

My concern there is that anything the government touches never seems to stay competitive globally - take, for example, education.

Additionally - having lived in Michigan - while I understand the devastation it would bring to lose the Detroit auto industry to that state, I also understand something else: this isn&#039;t a bail out of the Big 3; it&#039;s a bail out of the UAW. The unions have ruined the auto industry; my grandparents&#039; motto - auto factory workers - was always this: &quot;don&#039;t work too hard.&quot; 

For too long, Democrats have been in bed with mob-run labor unions. The idea of the liberal illuminati handing over taxpayer dollars to organized crime makes me ill. And make no bones about it: that is exactly what the labor unions are, and everyone in Detroit knows it. As for me? I don&#039;t want my tax money to send Tony Soprano on vacation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Jobs any day, man! You raise an interesting point about whether the government should bail out the industry in order to try to stay competitive globally. </p>
<p>My concern there is that anything the government touches never seems to stay competitive globally &#8211; take, for example, education.</p>
<p>Additionally &#8211; having lived in Michigan &#8211; while I understand the devastation it would bring to lose the Detroit auto industry to that state, I also understand something else: this isn&#8217;t a bail out of the Big 3; it&#8217;s a bail out of the UAW. The unions have ruined the auto industry; my grandparents&#8217; motto &#8211; auto factory workers &#8211; was always this: &#8220;don&#8217;t work too hard.&#8221; </p>
<p>For too long, Democrats have been in bed with mob-run labor unions. The idea of the liberal illuminati handing over taxpayer dollars to organized crime makes me ill. And make no bones about it: that is exactly what the labor unions are, and everyone in Detroit knows it. As for me? I don&#8217;t want my tax money to send Tony Soprano on vacation.</p>
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		<title>By: gm1000</title>
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		<dc:creator>gm1000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;em go bankrupt, t send the unions and whinging gov granholm into the fields to start growing corn for biofuel or build grid s for windfarms at minimum wage, get the Japanese in to show Detroit how to make cheap modern eco cars that ordinary people, rather than bloated union workers, can afford.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;em go bankrupt, t send the unions and whinging gov granholm into the fields to start growing corn for biofuel or build grid s for windfarms at minimum wage, get the Japanese in to show Detroit how to make cheap modern eco cars that ordinary people, rather than bloated union workers, can afford&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Valjean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valjean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read my lips (with profound apologies to GHW Bush):

Let. Them. Die!

I, for one, am absolutely sick and tired of reading about Detroit and their insipid, protected, coddled, unionized and &quot;too-big-to-fail&quot; minions. I *know* this will be a major blow, but when will we clean out the rot? If we keep transfusing them with taxpayer loot, they&#039;ll never learn.

Can&#039;t risk it? If you told someone 30 years ago that TWA, PanAm, Eastern (Airlines), Data General, Warner Brothers, Texaco, ShellOil, or even AMC Motors (I could go on, of course) would be dead or acquired by the 21st century you&#039;d have gotten blank stares. It&#039;s the nature of the market. Subsidizing them puts politician&#039;s and bureaucrat&#039;s whims above the public&#039;s (and their wallet&#039;s) choosing. And as any good European will tell you, that&#039;s a trough where the pigs are *never* satisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read my lips (with profound apologies to GHW Bush):</p>
<p>Let. Them. Die!</p>
<p>I, for one, am absolutely sick and tired of reading about Detroit and their insipid, protected, coddled, unionized and &#8220;too-big-to-fail&#8221; minions. I *know* this will be a major blow, but when will we clean out the rot? If we keep transfusing them with taxpayer loot, they&#8217;ll never learn.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t risk it? If you told someone 30 years ago that TWA, PanAm, Eastern (Airlines), Data General, Warner Brothers, Texaco, ShellOil, or even AMC Motors (I could go on, of course) would be dead or acquired by the 21st century you&#8217;d have gotten blank stares. It&#8217;s the nature of the market. Subsidizing them puts politician&#8217;s and bureaucrat&#8217;s whims above the public&#8217;s (and their wallet&#8217;s) choosing. And as any good European will tell you, that&#8217;s a trough where the pigs are *never* satisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last 30 years or so while American manufacturers cried about costs and poured money into lobbying to maintain the status quo the Japanese were busy pouring money into R&amp;D and creating high priced, high quality, lux lines like Infinity, Lexus, and Accura. Their experience with their regular car lines told them that people would gladly pay more for quality. During this same period the American auto industry created Saturn. How sad is that?  And yet foreigners still kill for spots in the American business schools that produced the thieves and idiots who last good ideas were Saturn and Mr. Goodwrench. Sad. Very sad.

Th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last 30 years or so while American manufacturers cried about costs and poured money into lobbying to maintain the status quo the Japanese were busy pouring money into R&amp;D and creating high priced, high quality, lux lines like Infinity, Lexus, and Accura. Their experience with their regular car lines told them that people would gladly pay more for quality. During this same period the American auto industry created Saturn. How sad is that?  And yet foreigners still kill for spots in the American business schools that produced the thieves and idiots who last good ideas were Saturn and Mr. Goodwrench. Sad. Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;blockquote&gt;But the quick and dirty solution: have Obama announce that Chrysler will never receive another dime in federal help. Killing Chrysler immediately might be a cheaper way to subsidize Ford and GM.

Why Chrysler (besides the fact that they’re goners anyway?) GM and Ford are at least trying to produce hybrids and electrics. Chrysler isn’t, outside of press releases.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually, Chrysler spent a great deal of money co-developing the two-mode hybrid.  Like GM, they have tried to bring it to market in the logical place: the vehicles that need it the most and that are most able to use it (since it is genuinely hard to scale it down in volume and weight).

If you love freedom, you should want to see GM go, since they are the ones planning to produce cars that can be shut down remotely by satellite (using OnStar).  This is done in the name of giving police departments the authority to stop high-speed chases.  Do you think it will stop there?

For many years, the US auto market was a near monopoly for the UAW.  Between trying to cut costs and trying to respond to other government mandates, the Big Three outsourced a lot of their technology (and a lot of risk) and helped create the situation we&#039;re in, but they did it in response to government action.

The best thing we can do is require that government aid be matched by &#039;reorganization&#039; in bankruptcy court.  Some of that aid might go to picking up &#039;underfunded&#039; medical benefits for pensioners, with the proviso that people now employed contribute more towards those benefits, and accept a future cap based on ability to pay.  And the unions should run the funds that will pay out for those benefits.

Now, will G.W.Bush buy into this and go public with it?  No.  Would the press pay attention if he did?  Well, the Wall Street Journal would, and a few others.  Would Congress even nibble at the idea?  No.  But it would be the right thing and the conservative thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;blockquote&gt;But the quick and dirty solution: have Obama announce that Chrysler will never receive another dime in federal help. Killing Chrysler immediately might be a cheaper way to subsidize Ford and GM.</p>
<p>Why Chrysler (besides the fact that they’re goners anyway?) GM and Ford are at least trying to produce hybrids and electrics. Chrysler isn’t, outside of press releases.Actually, Chrysler spent a great deal of money co-developing the two-mode hybrid.  Like GM, they have tried to bring it to market in the logical place: the vehicles that need it the most and that are most able to use it (since it is genuinely hard to scale it down in volume and weight).</p>
<p>If you love freedom, you should want to see GM go, since they are the ones planning to produce cars that can be shut down remotely by satellite (using OnStar).  This is done in the name of giving police departments the authority to stop high-speed chases.  Do you think it will stop there?</p>
<p>For many years, the US auto market was a near monopoly for the UAW.  Between trying to cut costs and trying to respond to other government mandates, the Big Three outsourced a lot of their technology (and a lot of risk) and helped create the situation we&#8217;re in, but they did it in response to government action.</p>
<p>The best thing we can do is require that government aid be matched by &#8216;reorganization&#8217; in bankruptcy court.  Some of that aid might go to picking up &#8216;underfunded&#8217; medical benefits for pensioners, with the proviso that people now employed contribute more towards those benefits, and accept a future cap based on ability to pay.  And the unions should run the funds that will pay out for those benefits.</p>
<p>Now, will G.W.Bush buy into this and go public with it?  No.  Would the press pay attention if he did?  Well, the Wall Street Journal would, and a few others.  Would Congress even nibble at the idea?  No.  But it would be the right thing and the conservative thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the American car manufacturers are in this situation is quite simple: Car buyers have declined to support them, preferring to buy cars from other manufacturers instead. We&#039;ve voted with our wallets.

Now House Majority Leader Pelosi wants to take our tax money to subsidize them to no lasting effect, and taxpayers won&#039;t even get a crappy Cobalt or Vega for the yard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the American car manufacturers are in this situation is quite simple: Car buyers have declined to support them, preferring to buy cars from other manufacturers instead. We&#8217;ve voted with our wallets.</p>
<p>Now House Majority Leader Pelosi wants to take our tax money to subsidize them to no lasting effect, and taxpayers won&#8217;t even get a crappy Cobalt or Vega for the yard.</p>
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		<title>By: Wellspring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wellspring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nk8XwHbS4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bailout for the rest of us.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nk8XwHbS4" rel="nofollow">Bailout for the rest of us.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder, if the automobile industry worldwide was to lose all subsidies, how much more expensive would cars be? How would the drop in car ownership change the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder, if the automobile industry worldwide was to lose all subsidies, how much more expensive would cars be? How would the drop in car ownership change the world?</p>
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