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	<title>Comments on: Cheney&#8217;s Trip: Should the US Be Reining in Oil Prices?</title>
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		<title>By: MarkD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry Pournelle was advocating this pre Iraq invasion.  A Manhattan project level effort to eliminate our dependence on oil would have a lot of benefits.

Imagine a Saudi regime without the financial power to spread Wahabbism throughout the Middle East, Europe, and America.  I&#039;m having a hard time imagining a downside.  The people would still live in the sixth century, but they&#039;d be doing it over there. We&#039;d all be far better off if the 19 hijackers couldn&#039;t have afforded plane tickets and flight schools.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Pournelle was advocating this pre Iraq invasion.  A Manhattan project level effort to eliminate our dependence on oil would have a lot of benefits.</p>
<p>Imagine a Saudi regime without the financial power to spread Wahabbism throughout the Middle East, Europe, and America.  I&#8217;m having a hard time imagining a downside.  The people would still live in the sixth century, but they&#8217;d be doing it over there. We&#8217;d all be far better off if the 19 hijackers couldn&#8217;t have afforded plane tickets and flight schools.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Government subsidies only reward the politically powerful and encourage wastefulness.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Case in point: &lt;a href=&quot;http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2008/03/vicious-circle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ethanol&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Energy Independence&quot; is a fantasy for the foreseeable future, reducing oil imports is possible, but the environmentalists are in the way.  (Do I need to list the ways?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Government subsidies only reward the politically powerful and encourage wastefulness.</p></blockquote>
<p>Case in point: <a href="http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2008/03/vicious-circle.html" rel="nofollow">ethanol</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Energy Independence&#8221; is a fantasy for the foreseeable future, reducing oil imports is possible, but the environmentalists are in the way.  (Do I need to list the ways?)</p>
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		<title>By: TerryeL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryeL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger:

Yes, I think so too. In fact we have Cheney in the ME and Fallon out the door. One wonders....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger:</p>
<p>Yes, I think so too. In fact we have Cheney in the ME and Fallon out the door. One wonders&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SMGalbraith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is Cheney&#039;s mission to the ME really about  increasing oil production? Or is it about Iran? After all, we import roughly 15-17% of our oil from Middle East nations (granted, oil is fungible and more oil from that region lowers the prices elsewhere).

Admiral Fallon, CENTCOM head and a vocal opponent (apparently) of attacking Iran, resigned today.

I&#039;ve been convinced that the White House will not attack the Iranian nuclear facilities and, instead, will leave the issue for the next Administration.

But I also though Kerry would win. I.e., I&#039;m not a credible source.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is Cheney&#8217;s mission to the ME really about  increasing oil production? Or is it about Iran? After all, we import roughly 15-17% of our oil from Middle East nations (granted, oil is fungible and more oil from that region lowers the prices elsewhere).</p>
<p>Admiral Fallon, CENTCOM head and a vocal opponent (apparently) of attacking Iran, resigned today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been convinced that the White House will not attack the Iranian nuclear facilities and, instead, will leave the issue for the next Administration.</p>
<p>But I also though Kerry would win. I.e., I&#8217;m not a credible source.</p>
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		<title>By: jrdroll</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

Take a look at this:

Mullahs or Mounties: Which do we prefer?
posted at 5:00 pm on March 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Energy independence ÔøΩ it has become the buzzword for the 2008 presidential election.  We want to move away from Middle East oil, at the very least, in order to keep from being held as economic hostages by hostile governments in the region.  We can avoid that by increasing importation from Canada, whose tar sands in Alberta have deep reserves that our friends would like to sell to us.  Problem solved, right?

Wrong:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/11/mullahs-or-mounties-which-do-we-prefer/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Take a look at this:</p>
<p>Mullahs or Mounties: Which do we prefer?<br />
posted at 5:00 pm on March 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey<br />
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<p>Energy independence ÔøΩ it has become the buzzword for the 2008 presidential election.  We want to move away from Middle East oil, at the very least, in order to keep from being held as economic hostages by hostile governments in the region.  We can avoid that by increasing importation from Canada, whose tar sands in Alberta have deep reserves that our friends would like to sell to us.  Problem solved, right?</p>
<p>Wrong:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/11/mullahs-or-mounties-which-do-we-prefer/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/11/mullahs-or-mounties-which-do-we-prefer/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I doubt that we really know what all is involved in this trip. I doubt it is as simple as begging for oil.&quot;

Well I agree with Terrye on this one.  My hunch is that Cheney may have info on Iran and other matters to impart.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I doubt that we really know what all is involved in this trip. I doubt it is as simple as begging for oil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I agree with Terrye on this one.  My hunch is that Cheney may have info on Iran and other matters to impart.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryeL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryeL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure that the Saudis can drop the price of oil. After all energy futures have a lot to do with this. But I don&#039;t think it is a bad thing for Cheney to go to the Middle East and if the truth is told I doubt that we really know what all is involved in this trip. I doubt it is as simple as begging for oil.

We could buy more from Canada as well, but the Democratic Congress thinks their oil creates too many emissions and so limits the purchase of it.

It is this conflict that creates a lot of the problems, on one hand we want pristine, on the other we want energy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that the Saudis can drop the price of oil. After all energy futures have a lot to do with this. But I don&#8217;t think it is a bad thing for Cheney to go to the Middle East and if the truth is told I doubt that we really know what all is involved in this trip. I doubt it is as simple as begging for oil.</p>
<p>We could buy more from Canada as well, but the Democratic Congress thinks their oil creates too many emissions and so limits the purchase of it.</p>
<p>It is this conflict that creates a lot of the problems, on one hand we want pristine, on the other we want energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Webutante</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think we should drill for more domestic oil on this continent, fire up some new nuclear plants and a new refinery or two too. Tax breaks are fine too.

However, if we knew how many government subsidies have already gone into alternative energy production, we wouldn&#039;t believe it. Billions and billions have poured into many great ideas as subsidues ( so it&#039;s not a new idea), and it doesn&#039;t make any difference until it becomes a darling of the markets.

I&#039;m with David Thomson on this one for the most part.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think we should drill for more domestic oil on this continent, fire up some new nuclear plants and a new refinery or two too. Tax breaks are fine too.</p>
<p>However, if we knew how many government subsidies have already gone into alternative energy production, we wouldn&#8217;t believe it. Billions and billions have poured into many great ideas as subsidues ( so it&#8217;s not a new idea), and it doesn&#8217;t make any difference until it becomes a darling of the markets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with David Thomson on this one for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The government was able to build the bomb at lightning speed in WWII and get men walking on the moon pretty quickly. Whatever works.&lt;/i&gt;

The Manhattan Project to build nuclear weapons was driven by the belief that Nazi Germany was working on the bomb. As a matter of dire urgency, money was no object.

The unofficial motto of the Apollo project was &quot;waste anything but time.&quot; Massive overruns and waste were common throughout the program. Yes, they did meet Kennedy&#039;s goal of landing on the moon before the end of the decade but they did it at the expense of building anything sustainable or efficient. That&#039;s hardly a good model for a national energy plan.

I believe we need to guide our energy policy using a three-pronged approach.

1. Use conservation where it makes sense. While conservation alone is unlikely to do the job, if it succeeds in reducing the rate of growth in energy consumption, it will save a lot of energy over time. The mathematics of exponential growth are simple and it&#039;s easy to see how lowering the rate of growth even a couple percentage points will have a huge impact.

2. Increase domestic energy production. No one who claims to be for energy indepenedence or even simply lowering our dependence on foreign energy can be taken seriously if they don&#039;t realize the need to increase our own energy production. This also means we need to address infrastructure issues such as refinery capacity, pipelines, and the national power grid.

3. Develop alternative energy sources where practical. Wind power isn&#039;t useful everywhere and neither is solar. Do what makes sense where it makes sense. Limit subsidizies to a fixed and inflexible time, say 5 or 10 years. Subsidizies distort the market but they can have their place in the short term.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The government was able to build the bomb at lightning speed in WWII and get men walking on the moon pretty quickly. Whatever works.</i></p>
<p>The Manhattan Project to build nuclear weapons was driven by the belief that Nazi Germany was working on the bomb. As a matter of dire urgency, money was no object.</p>
<p>The unofficial motto of the Apollo project was &#8220;waste anything but time.&#8221; Massive overruns and waste were common throughout the program. Yes, they did meet Kennedy&#8217;s goal of landing on the moon before the end of the decade but they did it at the expense of building anything sustainable or efficient. That&#8217;s hardly a good model for a national energy plan.</p>
<p>I believe we need to guide our energy policy using a three-pronged approach.</p>
<p>1. Use conservation where it makes sense. While conservation alone is unlikely to do the job, if it succeeds in reducing the rate of growth in energy consumption, it will save a lot of energy over time. The mathematics of exponential growth are simple and it&#8217;s easy to see how lowering the rate of growth even a couple percentage points will have a huge impact.</p>
<p>2. Increase domestic energy production. No one who claims to be for energy indepenedence or even simply lowering our dependence on foreign energy can be taken seriously if they don&#8217;t realize the need to increase our own energy production. This also means we need to address infrastructure issues such as refinery capacity, pipelines, and the national power grid.</p>
<p>3. Develop alternative energy sources where practical. Wind power isn&#8217;t useful everywhere and neither is solar. Do what makes sense where it makes sense. Limit subsidizies to a fixed and inflexible time, say 5 or 10 years. Subsidizies distort the market but they can have their place in the short term.</p>
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		<title>By: photoncourier.blogspot.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The oil will simply be sold to another part of the world&quot;...however, any energy-production or energy-savings technologies that we develop here will also be made available to India, China, Europe, et al. And it also works the other way--it&#039;s likely that much solar development will take place in countries that lack a generation &amp; grid infrastructure, and only later become cost-effective in the U.S. Although oil is mobile, so is technology.

Also: For an analysis of how politically-driven alternative-energy polities can get out of hand and do actual harm, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2008/03/vicious-circle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Vicious Circle&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The oil will simply be sold to another part of the world&#8221;&#8230;however, any energy-production or energy-savings technologies that we develop here will also be made available to India, China, Europe, et al. And it also works the other way&#8211;it&#8217;s likely that much solar development will take place in countries that lack a generation &amp; grid infrastructure, and only later become cost-effective in the U.S. Although oil is mobile, so is technology.</p>
<p>Also: For an analysis of how politically-driven alternative-energy polities can get out of hand and do actual harm, see <a href="http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2008/03/vicious-circle.html" rel="nofollow">A Vicious Circle</a>.</p>
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