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		<title>By: Stace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sheryl, about all those tv and movie portrayals of the truly awful wife of the rich Hollywood guy - how do you and Laurie David split the royalty payments on those?&lt;/i&gt;

That is way out of line, bgates. Sorry, but I think you have lost all reason.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sheryl, about all those tv and movie portrayals of the truly awful wife of the rich Hollywood guy &#8211; how do you and Laurie David split the royalty payments on those?</i></p>
<p>That is way out of line, bgates. Sorry, but I think you have lost all reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Godzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many people here, I also think that Ronald Reagan was our best modern president. However, I&#039;m not gettng the logic behind giving him a pass on his amnesty program versus McCain&#039;s. Is it a numbers game? Letting Reagan off the hook because the estimation was that only a low number of illegal immigrants were in the country at that time, and that it was expected that they were just going to stop coming across the border, or that the administration, led by a president from California, just didn&#039;t have a handle on the scope of the problem, and so can&#039;t be blamed for what continued to happen?

I&#039;m not saying that Reagan&#039;s amnesty program was a bad thing. In fact, on a dispassionate and rational and moral level, I had no problem with his granting of amnesty, which is very different from how I felt on a emotional level. Though the naivety (if that what it trully was) that the Reagan administration had about the future is a little hard to swallow, requiring quite a bit of naivety on the part of the swallower, imo.

So, for the anti-McCain people, how does comparing McCain to Reagan support your villification of McCain&#039;s illegal immigration stance? A stance that McCain has already amended to include securing the border first.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many people here, I also think that Ronald Reagan was our best modern president. However, I&#8217;m not gettng the logic behind giving him a pass on his amnesty program versus McCain&#8217;s. Is it a numbers game? Letting Reagan off the hook because the estimation was that only a low number of illegal immigrants were in the country at that time, and that it was expected that they were just going to stop coming across the border, or that the administration, led by a president from California, just didn&#8217;t have a handle on the scope of the problem, and so can&#8217;t be blamed for what continued to happen?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Reagan&#8217;s amnesty program was a bad thing. In fact, on a dispassionate and rational and moral level, I had no problem with his granting of amnesty, which is very different from how I felt on a emotional level. Though the naivety (if that what it trully was) that the Reagan administration had about the future is a little hard to swallow, requiring quite a bit of naivety on the part of the swallower, imo.</p>
<p>So, for the anti-McCain people, how does comparing McCain to Reagan support your villification of McCain&#8217;s illegal immigration stance? A stance that McCain has already amended to include securing the border first.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s rich, bgates.  You&#039;ve managed to throw in a little sexism, a little class warfare, and a whole lot of projection and cognitive dissonance. All in one anonymous post.
As for your question &quot;why John McCain supporters have less enthusiasm for pressuring John McCain to make the single policy change that I think would win him the most votes,&quot; two reasons come instantly to mind.  First, the candidates who were closer to your favored position on this issue didn&#039;t get enough votes to win in most Republican primaries (and let&#039;s not even get started on what will happen in the general election).  So either more voters agree with McCain&#039;s position, or they don&#039;t care as much about that issue as they do about others.
Second, and I believe even more significant, many voters actually respect that rare politician who sticks to at least some of his own principles, even when they disagree with them.  That is exactly why McCain has a wide base of appeal across the spectrum.
I am pro-choice for instance, but if Mike Huckabee suddenly started reaching out to me on that issue, trying to accommodate my views, I&#039;d lose all respect for him.  I know what he believes and I expect him to be a passionate advocate for those beliefs.  If he started &quot;reaching out&quot;, it would be craven pandering.
Obviously, as an agnostic, socially liberal Independent, I&#039;m not a Huckabee supporter, but if I felt he were the best or only candidate in the race who could lead us in the war against spreading Islamism, I&#039;d hold my nose and vote for him... even though I disagree with him on almost every other issue.  It&#039;s called prioritizing.  Fortunately, most voters end up doing it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s rich, bgates.  You&#8217;ve managed to throw in a little sexism, a little class warfare, and a whole lot of projection and cognitive dissonance. All in one anonymous post.<br />
As for your question &#8220;why John McCain supporters have less enthusiasm for pressuring John McCain to make the single policy change that I think would win him the most votes,&#8221; two reasons come instantly to mind.  First, the candidates who were closer to your favored position on this issue didn&#8217;t get enough votes to win in most Republican primaries (and let&#8217;s not even get started on what will happen in the general election).  So either more voters agree with McCain&#8217;s position, or they don&#8217;t care as much about that issue as they do about others.<br />
Second, and I believe even more significant, many voters actually respect that rare politician who sticks to at least some of his own principles, even when they disagree with them.  That is exactly why McCain has a wide base of appeal across the spectrum.<br />
I am pro-choice for instance, but if Mike Huckabee suddenly started reaching out to me on that issue, trying to accommodate my views, I&#8217;d lose all respect for him.  I know what he believes and I expect him to be a passionate advocate for those beliefs.  If he started &#8220;reaching out&#8221;, it would be craven pandering.<br />
Obviously, as an agnostic, socially liberal Independent, I&#8217;m not a Huckabee supporter, but if I felt he were the best or only candidate in the race who could lead us in the war against spreading Islamism, I&#8217;d hold my nose and vote for him&#8230; even though I disagree with him on almost every other issue.  It&#8217;s called prioritizing.  Fortunately, most voters end up doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Smith,

Regarding the flip flop charge, I&#039;d like to see a show of hands of those who have not changed their views over time.  Everyone has.

I believe McCain said that he had misread the views of the American public after the immigration debacle.  For example, he could say he learned from that experience and supports the enforcement of existing laws and promotes legal immigration.  That&#039;s what the majority wants anyway.  It&#039;s a net gain in votes.

McCain could take a couple of key issues and reach out to conservatives.  He has already talked a little bit about taxes.  It&#039;s a start and he needs to do it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Smith,</p>
<p>Regarding the flip flop charge, I&#8217;d like to see a show of hands of those who have not changed their views over time.  Everyone has.</p>
<p>I believe McCain said that he had misread the views of the American public after the immigration debacle.  For example, he could say he learned from that experience and supports the enforcement of existing laws and promotes legal immigration.  That&#8217;s what the majority wants anyway.  It&#8217;s a net gain in votes.</p>
<p>McCain could take a couple of key issues and reach out to conservatives.  He has already talked a little bit about taxes.  It&#8217;s a start and he needs to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Legrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Legrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you missed the point of the post I am responding to...but Roger is lamenting that I am not getting my party pants on and dancing in the streets about McCain. His post, I guess, is an effort to shame me into doing such a thing.

&lt;b&gt;That&#039;s our privilege, is it not? You are certainly free to care more about other issues. It&#039;s a democracy.&lt;/b&gt;

When you come across a conservative trying to tell you NOT to vote your conscientious let me know. I am merely responding to another misguided attempt to gain my vote by heaping abuse.

Michelle Malkin stalwart hero to me on most matters political has never demanded that anyone vote anyway. She has merely explained McCains positions. Coulter herself has not demanded that anyone vote anyway...she has merely explained why she won&#039;t vote for McCain. And she was making a point that bears mentioning...Republicans who try and pander to Democrats have done the most damage to the principles of the Republican party. Witness Bush.

And before anyone jumps up waving their hand to tell me how well he has done on the War on Terror...explain to me why we are at war with a tactic? Explain to me why Bush finds it wise to dine with our enemies? Are we at war with a principle or merely at war with a distasteful way of achieving that principle? Explain just exactly how we are winning the war when Europe will soon be following Sharia?

I will vote for McCain but no one I have heard this far into this election has given me confidence that the war will be waged against our enemy.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you missed the point of the post I am responding to&#8230;but Roger is lamenting that I am not getting my party pants on and dancing in the streets about McCain. His post, I guess, is an effort to shame me into doing such a thing.</p>
<p><b>That&#8217;s our privilege, is it not? You are certainly free to care more about other issues. It&#8217;s a democracy.</b></p>
<p>When you come across a conservative trying to tell you NOT to vote your conscientious let me know. I am merely responding to another misguided attempt to gain my vote by heaping abuse.</p>
<p>Michelle Malkin stalwart hero to me on most matters political has never demanded that anyone vote anyway. She has merely explained McCains positions. Coulter herself has not demanded that anyone vote anyway&#8230;she has merely explained why she won&#8217;t vote for McCain. And she was making a point that bears mentioning&#8230;Republicans who try and pander to Democrats have done the most damage to the principles of the Republican party. Witness Bush.</p>
<p>And before anyone jumps up waving their hand to tell me how well he has done on the War on Terror&#8230;explain to me why we are at war with a tactic? Explain to me why Bush finds it wise to dine with our enemies? Are we at war with a principle or merely at war with a distasteful way of achieving that principle? Explain just exactly how we are winning the war when Europe will soon be following Sharia?</p>
<p>I will vote for McCain but no one I have heard this far into this election has given me confidence that the war will be waged against our enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: JK Ribera</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK Ribera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some of us, Pierre Legrand, McCain stands for a strong, forward action in the War on Terror - and that&#039;s what we care most about. We&#039;re not as concerned about other matters.  That&#039;s our privilege, is it not? You are certainly free to care more about other issues.  It&#039;s a democracy.

(BTW, I cannot think of any politician that smells like a rose.  If I were that much of a purist, I would never have voted in my life.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some of us, Pierre Legrand, McCain stands for a strong, forward action in the War on Terror &#8211; and that&#8217;s what we care most about. We&#8217;re not as concerned about other matters.  That&#8217;s our privilege, is it not? You are certainly free to care more about other issues.  It&#8217;s a democracy.</p>
<p>(BTW, I cannot think of any politician that smells like a rose.  If I were that much of a purist, I would never have voted in my life.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of you urging McCain to &#039;build bridges&#039; and &#039;move closer&#039; to your position -- you do realize, I hope, that if McCain modifies his position on any issue, he will then be accused of &#039;pandering&#039; and of being a &#039;flop-flopper&#039;.

In fact, I have already heard this accusation. I have pointed out to a number of anti-McCain conservatives that in his speech at CPAC, McCain essentially admitted that the approach taken by the McCain-Kennedy bill was a mistake and that border security had to be achieved before any effort could be made to deal with the status of those here illegally.  Their response was that this was merely pandering and did not represent McCains actual beliefs on the matter.

I think conservative hostility towards illegal immigrants is misplaced.  Had you fought as hard against the creation of the welfare state as you have recently fought against granting &#039;amnesty&#039; to illegals, chances are the welfare state would be a lot smaller and you would have less reason to worry about people coming across the border to take advantage of free healthcare, free education, free food ( food stamps), WIC, etc. etc.

In any event, it makes no sense to oppose McCain when, on every point where you disagree with him, his two opponents are far, far worse.


p.s. Can anyone tell me why the software at this site replaces quotation marks with question marks?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you urging McCain to &#8216;build bridges&#8217; and &#8216;move closer&#8217; to your position &#8212; you do realize, I hope, that if McCain modifies his position on any issue, he will then be accused of &#8216;pandering&#8217; and of being a &#8216;flop-flopper&#8217;.</p>
<p>In fact, I have already heard this accusation. I have pointed out to a number of anti-McCain conservatives that in his speech at CPAC, McCain essentially admitted that the approach taken by the McCain-Kennedy bill was a mistake and that border security had to be achieved before any effort could be made to deal with the status of those here illegally.  Their response was that this was merely pandering and did not represent McCains actual beliefs on the matter.</p>
<p>I think conservative hostility towards illegal immigrants is misplaced.  Had you fought as hard against the creation of the welfare state as you have recently fought against granting &#8216;amnesty&#8217; to illegals, chances are the welfare state would be a lot smaller and you would have less reason to worry about people coming across the border to take advantage of free healthcare, free education, free food ( food stamps), WIC, etc. etc.</p>
<p>In any event, it makes no sense to oppose McCain when, on every point where you disagree with him, his two opponents are far, far worse.</p>
<p>p.s. Can anyone tell me why the software at this site replaces quotation marks with question marks?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Legrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Legrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It seems to me that McCain has shown a lot more of an inclination to make changes in certain policies than many of his critics give him credit for.&lt;/b&gt;

We shall see. But the hiring of Juan Hernandez does not make me think he is serious about &quot;securing the damn border first&quot;.

Principles matter. Issues matter. McCain will get my vote but I am tired of folks trying to tell me that the smell I smell is that of roses. Sure the others smell worse, no doubt. But none of those smells should be bottled and sold for anything other than what they are...big piles of crap.

Terryel your defense of the RINO wing of the Republican party has been amusing for the last 2 years. Voting for a candidate because he stinks less than the other candidate strikes me as a dangerous prescription for success for the Republicans. That was RINO policy before Reagan.

Reagan stood for ideas and principles that drew you to him. McCain stands for avoiding a bigger error with either Billary or Osama/Obama.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It seems to me that McCain has shown a lot more of an inclination to make changes in certain policies than many of his critics give him credit for.</b></p>
<p>We shall see. But the hiring of Juan Hernandez does not make me think he is serious about &#8220;securing the damn border first&#8221;.</p>
<p>Principles matter. Issues matter. McCain will get my vote but I am tired of folks trying to tell me that the smell I smell is that of roses. Sure the others smell worse, no doubt. But none of those smells should be bottled and sold for anything other than what they are&#8230;big piles of crap.</p>
<p>Terryel your defense of the RINO wing of the Republican party has been amusing for the last 2 years. Voting for a candidate because he stinks less than the other candidate strikes me as a dangerous prescription for success for the Republicans. That was RINO policy before Reagan.</p>
<p>Reagan stood for ideas and principles that drew you to him. McCain stands for avoiding a bigger error with either Billary or Osama/Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryeL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryeL</dc:creator>
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		<description>bgates:

It seems to me that McCain has shown a lot more of an inclination to make changes in certain policies than many of his critics give him credit for.

Will he change enough to pacify people like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity? I hope not, because if he does he will lose the election. They keep forgetting about that whole tedious winning elections thingee.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bgates:</p>
<p>It seems to me that McCain has shown a lot more of an inclination to make changes in certain policies than many of his critics give him credit for.</p>
<p>Will he change enough to pacify people like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity? I hope not, because if he does he will lose the election. They keep forgetting about that whole tedious winning elections thingee.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryeL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerryeL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre:

Who said you were the base? And btw, I am not sure it is politically possible to make some people happy. They prefer melodramatics and claims of betrayal. If the self anointed base is prepared to sit out an election and let someone like Obama win then I think it is time the Republcan party found a  new base.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre:</p>
<p>Who said you were the base? And btw, I am not sure it is politically possible to make some people happy. They prefer melodramatics and claims of betrayal. If the self anointed base is prepared to sit out an election and let someone like Obama win then I think it is time the Republcan party found a  new base.</p>
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